Post by WalksInSpirit on Jul 26, 2006 21:45:00 GMT -5
Creating Your Reality: 07-26-06
(09:34:10) (Rosie) to repeat, this is my last go-round with this topic
(09:36:28) (Rosie) Last week I related the Vision of the 4 Signs as experienced by the Apache Shaman Stalking Wolf, or Grandfather as he was known by Tom Brown Jr., who wrote the book “The Quest,” in which the experience was recounted.
(09:36:47) (true_eagle-mike) im inawe of grandfather/stalkingwolf
(09:36:54) (Rosie) me too!
(09:36:59) (Rosie) Grandfather had this prophetic vision while on a Vision Quest in the 1920s, when he was a young man. He was in his 80s in 1962 when he told it to Brown, who was a boy of about 12 at the time and had been in spiritual and other training under Grandfather since age 8.
(09:37:07) (true_eagle-mike) wooo hooo
(09:37:23) (Rosie) He “saw” Brown as one who would have the capability of helping change the outcome of the vision in which foresaw famine, the AIDS epidemic, our current environmental crisis, and the almost complete annihilation of humanity on this planet due to man’s willful separation from God and mistreatment of Mother Earth.
(09:37:25) (true_eagle-mike) his vishions r warning gang
(09:38:06) (Rosie) Grandfather said that if the 3rd sign, the “holes in the sky,” came to pass there would no longer be anything we could do physically to avoid our own destruction – that only spiritual solutions remained. If the 4th sign comes to pass: the Night of the Bleeding Stars, then all hope is lost, Grandfather said.
(09:38:39) (true_eagle-mike) warning wen u see a red moon !
(09:38:45) (Rosie) There was no timeline attached to the signs in Grandfather’s vision, but it appears to me that based on this vision we may have already passed the time when physical solutions are possible. Whether we have or have not, spiritual solutions still appear to hold the key to mankind’s fate.
(09:39:10) (Rosie) Brown said that in the 10 years he knew Grandfather, every vision or prediction he made came to pass.
(09:39:18) (true_eagle-mike) yes rosie
(09:39:32) (true_eagle-mike) every 1
(09:39:32) (Rosie) You know I am not one to accept that we should think negatively about the future – in fact, I believe that the thousands of people who have turned to Spirit in the last 30-40 years have already succeeded in helping turn the tide, to alter the balance toward Spirit.
(09:40:04) (Rosie) But I also believe that the various prophecies and visions that we have all heard about were given to us as a gift, as an opportunity to know where we are presently headed and to decide whether or not we want to create different, more positive outcomes.
(09:40:33) (true_eagle-mike) posative prayers ^i^
(09:40:45) (Rosie) I think we should take seriously the warnings in the visions of Grandfather and many others, including Edgar Cayce, and redouble our spiritual efforts in whatever ways we can while there remains time to act.
(09:41:23) (Rosie) We may not be able to forestall the inevitable – unless we do (a bow to Neale Donald Walsch) – but who knows what good we can do, what we can accomplish to help others and Spirit in this difficult and dangerous journey that can also be a joyous journey as well.
(09:41:47) (Rosie) I believe we chose to be here at this time to help achieve Spirit’s aim to lift mankind from a material quagmire.
(09:42:11) (Rosie) Grandfather told Brown of these visions because he felt this young man had the potential to help alter the probable future as he saw it.
(09:42:21) (true_eagle-mike) me to rosie... messenagers
(09:42:59) (Rosie) lightworkers at the very least, mike :o) I think we wouldn't be here in this chat if we weren't
(09:43:10) (Rosie) Brown was horrified at the thought that the fate of the world could rest in part on his future actions. Grandfather had schooled him to adeptship in survival and tracking skills. But also by age 12 this young man was already spiritually adept as well, thanks to Grandfather’s teachings.
(09:43:15) (true_eagle-mike) amen to that
(09:43:49) (Rosie) He asked Grandfather why he could not just live in the wilderness for the rest of his life and be happy communing with nature and Spirit.
(09:44:14) (true_eagle-mike) tom had a mission
(09:44:26) (Rosie) Grandfather responded: “As I have told you, man must not only work for his own spiritual enlightenment but also for the spiritual enlightenment of all mankind. For to run and hide, to think only of ones self and not to have love and compassion for all of man, is to deny part of self.
(09:44:56) (Rosie) “Man is part of the spirit that moves in all things and when one part of that spirit is sick, then all are sick; and when one part of the spirit dies, then part of self dies.
(09:45:25) (Rosie) “By working to keep these prophecies and Visons from becoming reality, and to make the world whole again, we become dedicated to something greater than self, and your spiritual life becomes visible and full. You do not run away from your responsibility.
(09:46:07) (Rosie) “In these desperate times, when the Earth is dying, there can be no rest, no running away, for each of us in our own way must work to change the probable future of mankind. For if modern man destroys himself, then we are personally responsible, and we are destroyed also. Each then is accountable for the future.”
(09:46:48) (janie) *sigh*
(09:46:51) (Rosie) So what steps can we take individually and collectively to help mankind reach the 12th Monkey, so to speak – to once and for all alter the balance to Spirit?
(09:47:04) (Rosie) (it IS the 12th Monkey, right???)
(09:47:16) (true_eagle-mike) o k
(09:47:16) (janie) 100th
(09:47:26) (Sandy) smiling, perfect cryogenics until they listen?
(09:47:32) (Rosie) ok...12...100...you get my point....heehee!
(09:47:32) (janie) 12 monkeys is a Bruce Willis movie! heehee
(09:47:39) (true_eagle-mike) ty
(09:47:47) (Rosie) ok...so that was not totally off the wall....sheesh!
(09:47:51) (true_eagle-mike) u r funny rosie
(09:48:05) (Rosie) I think anything we can do to help the God spirit flow more smoothly through us to others is key.
(09:48:28) (true_eagle-mike) yes an awareness is 1 of them
(09:48:42) (Rosie) That’s why I like the messages in the book “Ask and It Is Given” and other texts of the same nature. Rather than seeing selfishness in the exercises given to help us learn to flex our creative muscles, I see them as positive steps to help us become closer to Spirit and become better conduits for spiritual energy for the benefit of ourselves AND others.
(09:48:45) (janie) Just trying to talk to folks is SO difficult......people are all up-in-arms about terrorism, and because of that, they're attitude is just about as bad as the terrorists'!(09:49:45) (Rosie) try not to think about that! :o)
(09:49:53) (janie) ....difficult to talk peace to folks.....
(09:49:59) (Sandy) janie, people wouldn't understand that there is no distance in the Universe..just
(09:49:59) (Rosie) “Life is creative, and is the manifestation of that energy, that oneness, which may never be wholly discerned or discovered in materiality—and yet is the basis of all motivative forces and influences in the experiences of the individual. Cayce Reading 2012-1
(09:50:31) (Sandy) like there is no time...Love thy neighbor means everyone...not just those within your mileage
(09:50:39) (Rosie) but they CAN understand...I have to believe that
(09:51:14) (Rosie) In fact I believe Spirit is bombarding us with this “creating your reality” information now because it is imperative that we use it NOW.
(09:51:34) (Rosie) I believe that a loving God would act in concert with other loving beings in the spirit realm to give us all the tools possible to help us help ourselves and others in this time of great need – of great opportunity.
(09:52:19) (Rosie) But there is an age-old spiritual tool that Grandfather insists is the most important of all: meditation, or as he called it, the Sacred Silence.
(09:52:51) (Rosie) It is, he said, “a bridge or doorway to the world of nature and spirit.”
(09:53:09) (Roz) which Cayce calls the Golden Silence
(09:53:18) (Rosie) well there ya go!
(09:53:23) (Rosie) Meditation helps open the doorway to communication with Spirit, he said, which responds with dreams, visions, signs, symbols and feelings to direct us, and help us create the reality we choose.
(09:53:56) (Rosie) It is a vehicle, a bridge to the outer realms of man in which resides the “the force” as Grandfather sometimes called it (so did Obiwan Kenobe…Cayce often referred to it as “the Creative Forces), or more often, the “spirit-that-moves-in-all-things,” where man could come close to the Creator, create “miracles” and transcend the trappings and prisons of the flesh.
(09:55:16) (Rosie) (are you hearing this, janie? heehee!)
(09:55:47) (Rosie) Grandfather said modern man tends to unnecessarily complicate the act of meditation. Cayce’s guides agreed with Grandfather on this and other points, as paraphrased in SFG Book 2.
(09:56:06) (Rosie) “It is within the human soul, the simplest unit of God (which man would make complex), that we will find Him abiding. Sensing the presence of God within and without, we become quiet, throw off anxiety, and are conscious of a renewing power.
(09:56:40) (Rosie) “The Spirit of God speaks through the soul – the soul forces. How may we know this? We must study and meditate until we realize what attitude we hold concerning His presence. Men of old have said, “Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.”
(09:57:00) (Rosie) “We, too, may feel at times that it is physically impossible to attain to that knowledge. May we not take God at His word and accept His free gift of grace, love and mercy? “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that GIVITH TO ALL MEN LIBERALLY, AND UPBRAIDETH NOT.”
(09:57:46) (Rosie) Edgar Cayce said, “Ye must learn to meditate—just as ye have learned to walk, to talk…”
(09:58:29) (Rosie) Grandfather said the logical mind must not dominate, but must become part of the whole. Man is a duality, part flesh and part spirit. When the spiritual mind and the physical mind become equal, “then it is what we call the “Sacred Oneness.”
(09:58:39) (ky-mike) an it is part of the anser ...
(09:58:51) (Rosie) Edgar Cayce said the same thing in a different manner: “Mind is the builder, and—if there will be kept a balance—the physical mind and the spiritual mind should cooperate, coordinate.” Reading 1593-1
(09:59:11) (ky-mike) the sacred silence
(09:59:30) (Rosie) (Faith, Grandfather added, is “one of the most powerful forces on earth, is required to achieve this active duality.”)
(10:00:00) (Rosie) The Native American approach to meditation is a more active one as compared to the “passive” approach (as Grandfather called it) used by the majority of western man.
(10:00:17) (Rosie) And yet for both, the path to achieving successful meditation, to achieving body-mind control, is basically the same: relaxation, stilling of the logical or conscious mind (combating distractions) and achieving a focal or concentration point, which Cayce said should be our highest ideal.
(10:00:24) (ky-mike) grandfather/stalkingwolf read the bible...an was in awe of jesus christ ^i^
(10:00:37) (Rosie) yes, he was
(10:00:48) (Roz) it is as natural as breathing
(10:00:53) (ky-mike) yes.. an beleved
(10:00:58) (Rosie) Grandfather felt that songs, chants, drumming, music, ceremonies, customs, traditions, religious objects, crystals and countless other concentrations points used by various religions are good beginning points to help achieve a meditative state.
(10:01:12) (Rosie) But they become but become crutches if we believe we have a continued need of them.. Internal concentration, or going within, is preferable, he said, but only if eventually cast aside as well.
(10:01:43) (ky-mike) tune -in to the spirit world an thus save the earth
(10:01:58) (Rosie) that's the point, yes :o)
(10:02:01) (Rosie) With practice, one should be able to achieve a meditative state at any time, Grandfather said, much like turning a light on and off.
(10:02:13) (ky-mike) yes .. !
(10:02:18) (Rosie) Abraham, in “Ask and It is Given,” encourages the use of meditation to help speed along the disposal of beliefs that do not serve us and therefore hinder us from creating the reality we desire.
(10:02:34) (Roz) like anything we have to learn by practice
(10:02:42) (ky-mike) seek an u shalll find
(10:02:43) (Rosie) indeed
(10:03:10) (Rosie) Ala Grandfather, Abraham says that with practice, “these higher frequencies will become so familiar to you that you will be able to reclaim them whenever you choose.”
(10:03:28) (Rosie) According to Abraham, over time, if you meditate regularly, at least 10-15 minutes a day, “you will become quite sensitive to the way the higher frequencies feel within your body. Whenever you focus on anything that causes a dip in your vibration, you will now be more likely to recognize it at the early, subtle stages before the dip is too significant, and you will be able to easily change your resistant thought in order to maintain your balance.
(10:04:10) (Rosie) In meditation, you are saying to your Source Energy, to your Inner Being, to God, the Force, spirit-that-moves-in-all-things: “Here I am, in a state of allowing. I’m allowing Source Energy to flow purely through me.”
(10:04:13) (Roz) and what ever you hold in your mind is enhanced
(10:04:19) (Rosie) yes
(10:04:47) (ky-mike) an your awareness.. goes way up !
(10:05:07) (Rosie) There are other ways of raising your vibrations, too, Abraham says, if you don’t have the opportunity to meditate, “such as listening to music that makes your heart sing, jogging in a beautiful place, petting your cat, walking your dog, and other activities that are pleasing to you. They set the tone and help you release resistant thoughts, putting you in a place of pure, positive thought.”
(10:05:53) (Roz) as long as yu dont use them as a crutch
(10:06:04) (ky-mike) yes
(10:06:24) (Rosie) yes...like tiny tim..throw away the crutches
(10:06:54) (Rosie) Once meditation is achieved, Grandfather said, “The powers of the mind, coupled with choice and belief, can create ANY reality.
(10:07:10) (ky-mike) an the soul will soar
(10:07:26) (Rosie) I repeat...any reality
(10:07:34) (Roz) Cayces' affirmations work
(10:07:39) (Rosie) In Reading 281-41 Cayce acknowledged this as well.
(10:07:50) (Rosie) “It isn’t what you want someone else to give! As Moses gave of old, it isn’t who will descend from heaven to bring you a message, nor who would come from over the seas, but lo, ye find Him within thine own heart, within thine own consciousness! If ye will meditate, open they heart, thy mind! Let thy body and mind be channels THAT YE MAY DO THE THINGS YE ASK GOD TO DO FOR YOU! Thus ye come to know Him.”
(10:08:48) (Rosie) In short: Meditate y'all! The End.
(10:09:02) (ky-mike) ty rosie
(10:09:18) (Roz) Great lesson Rosie
(10:09:19) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you Rosie! Great chat!
(10:09:23) (ky-mike) meditation...is the key to it all
(10:09:25) (Bill) TY Rosie
(10:09:27) (Rosie) thanks :o)
(10:09:40) (janie) Thanks, Rosie! I NEED That kick in the pants to get back into meditating regularly!
(10:09:40) (Leon) Thanks Rosie
(10:10:14) (Amen-Ta) What did Cayce acknowledge in reading 281-41 Rosie?
(10:10:17) (ky-mike) it is a great feeling
(10:10:52) (Rosie) “The powers of the mind, coupled with choice and belief, can create ANY reality.”
(10:11:31) (Amen-Ta) That isn't what is said in the reading.
(10:11:32) (ky-mike) rosie.. i have read most of toms books in cluding survival training
(10:12:05) (Bill) the readings are constantly telling us we create our own reality
(10:12:20) (Rosie) what he says is that we can do anything we might ask God to do for us...it doesn't get much clearer than that.
(10:12:24) (janie) I've gotta get those books, Ro......*looking on Amazon*
(10:12:24) (ky-mike) an to meditate TA
(10:12:33) (Amen-Ta) Yes that is true Bill.
(10:12:43) (Amen-Ta) By what you do today.
(10:12:59) (WalksInSpirit) Well, that is what Rosie's chat has been telling us also, Joey. So, what's the deal?
(10:13:09) (ky-mike) my library has most of them janie
(10:13:23) (Rosie) hear that, janie...he as a library!
(10:13:39) (janie) My kinda guy! heehe!
(10:13:47) (Amen-Ta) But I believe Rosie is speaking of Creative Forces coming through to fufill your wants.
(10:13:57) (ky-mike) toms awakeing spirits is 1 of the very best .. has chapters on meditater .. called the sacred silence
(10:14:07) (WalksInSpirit) Joey, the title of Rosie's chat is "Creating YOUR Reality."
(10:14:08) (Bill) yes the content of the lesson was teaching us how to create a spiritual reality , she explained that earlier on
(10:14:43) (WalksInSpirit) not "How To Get The Creative Forces To Be AT Your Service 24/7"
(10:14:44) (ky-mike) tom is famos tracker . called in to save lost people
(10:15:14) (janie) mike......what's your favourite book of Tom's?
(10:15:54) (ky-mike) tom brown jr. ...AWAKEING SPIRITS....it wowed me !
(10:16:40) (ky-mike) it grabed me an did not let go
(10:17:07) (janie) I'd say that's a 'two thumbs up' for THAT book, eh? heeheee!
(10:17:22) (Rosie) a key to Grandfather's teachings is that you not get caught up in dogma, no matter what the religious or spiritual belief...that you need to look for the core message which they all carry\
(10:17:31) (Roz) Keep the Faith Rosie ..... Love and light
(10:17:36) (ky-mike) ty janie ... u said it mikey aproved
(10:17:50) (Rosie) lol
(10:18:08) (ky-mike) yes rosie .. go to the hart of it an use it
(10:19:05) (ky-mike) 3 people im in awe of ... jesus.... edgar cayce .... grandfather/stalkingwolf
(10:20:22) (janie) I see Brown's got a book called 'Grandfather'.....anyone read that one?
(10:20:54) (ky-mike) yes .. another good 1 .. tells about him . an wat tom taught him
(10:21:01) (Rosie) let's face it, one of the reasons our world is in such a mess is because of arguing over dogma, over language, over this sentence or that phrase
(10:21:26) (Rosie) or who said what
(10:21:33) (ky-mike) i agree rosie .. jus give me that facts mam
(10:21:57) (Rosie) we must get OVER that and focus on our oneness...what we all have in common
(10:22:30) (ky-mike) cayce an stalkingwolf were highy tuned in too the spirit world .. an there they got the ansers
(10:22:32) (janie) Well, that fact IS that I've REALLY enjoyed your chats, Rosie! STILL so tickled that you're finally hosting! Yippee!!!!
(10:22:52) (Rosie) lol...thanks
(10:23:20) (ky-mike) A -1 ROSIE.....one of the best
(10:23:41) (Rosie) so, janie....got any ideas for what to discuss next????
(10:23:52) (janie) hmmm.......
(10:24:05) (janie) lemme think on that a bit.....
(10:24:17) (Rosie) bill's looking for ideas, too
(10:24:34) (Rosie) does anyone have any suggestions?
(10:24:45) (ky-mike) useing meditation ..an geting results
(10:25:04) (ky-mike) an telling about it !
(10:25:15) (Rosie) next, on Oprah! heehee!
(10:25:28) (ky-mike) hey ..
(10:25:54) (ky-mike) a move r awareness way up there
(10:26:17) (Rosie) I think we're all pretty much aware of the nuts and bolts of meditation...we just need to start DOING
(10:26:26) (janie) agreed, Ro
(10:26:37) (ky-mike) u said it janie .. we can
(10:26:53) (Leon) right
(10:27:09) (ky-mike) yes an there r minny ways thru the doorway of med !
(10:27:44) (ky-mike) 4 me its been a purple door
(10:27:53) (Bill) nothing beats persistance when it comes to meditation
(10:27:54) (Rosie) purple door?
(10:28:05) (Rosie) bill, do you meditate daily?
(10:28:07) (ky-mike) yes a purple vail
(10:28:23) (ky-mike) how i know im there
(10:28:29) (Bill) its also like and elevator you can get off at anyfloor you choose but why not go to the top?
(10:28:37) (Rosie) interesting, mike
(10:29:27) (Amen-Ta) Cayce gave to ignore all save the Light.
(10:29:39) (Leon) I want to feel alive and connected with myself and others I meet.
(10:29:56) (Rosie) are you not, leon?
(10:29:59) (ky-mike) yes an that is it med is en-lightment !
(10:30:23) (Bill) get out and change the world Leon and let it begin with you!
(10:30:33) (ky-mike) med can do that leon
(10:30:48) (Leon) I think the concept should be practiced at every opportunity,
(10:30:58) (Bill) yes it should
(10:31:07) (ky-mike) yes , evey day ... if i could
(10:31:19) (janie) I feel that the essence of spiritual practice is your attitude toward others. When you have a pure, sincere motivation, then you have right attitude toward others based on kindness, compassion, love and respect.~14th Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso
(10:31:37) (ky-mike) an the psychic abillatys abound
(10:31:47) (Rosie) I like that!
(10:31:56) (ky-mike) true !
(10:32:03) (janie) When we feel love and kindness toward others, it not only makes others feel loved and cared for, but it helps us also to develop inner happiness and peace. ~His Holiness The Dalai Lama
(10:32:12) (ky-mike) we all hav it in us .
(10:32:27) (Rosie) that is absolutely true
(10:32:37) (janie) This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness. ~His Holiness The Dalai Lama
(10:32:52) (Leon) The thing is ---- not to get tired of happiness and peace.,
(10:32:57) (ky-mike) yes it is .. an it maes us a better soul .. it did me ^i^
(10:33:04) (ky-mike) makes
(10:33:45) (ky-mike) we r here evolving .. polishing the stone ... i call it
(10:33:48) (Rosie) yes, both Grandfather and Cayce referred to the fact that we tend to complicate the spiritual process
(10:33:50) (Bill) the relization of true happiness escapes many
(10:34:22) (ky-mike) yepp ... making it harder then it is
(10:34:27) (janie) I get 'Early Morning Buddhist Inspiration' quotes every day....I've been saving some of them.....really have enjoyed them!
(10:34:33) (Leon) We don't mean to complicate
(10:34:41) (Rosie) hey, send me that link, janie..please?
(10:35:00) (ky-mike) the dali lama.. his books teach med
(10:35:03) (WalksInSpirit) Mike, Cayce said Indigo and Violet indicates a religious seeker, as it appears in the auras. I would think this would also translate to your purple veil as well. It's good. :-)
(10:35:12) (Rosie) in my mind, if you do unto others as you would have them do unto you, that's all you really need to know
(10:35:50) (ky-mike) yes wis . u nailed it ... that was me ... seeking a higher power
(10:36:09) (Bill) There has been and is ever the promise to every soul that He, thy Father, thy God, will meet thee in thy holy temple. Then accept same. Prepare self. Dedicate self; making those necessary activities for insuring self of that influence, that activity on the part of self, and there needs be little fear--ever--to enter. For he that does so doubting already invites that which would bring corruption, dissension. But he that does so in the assurance that the promises
(10:36:34) (Rosie) that the promises..
(10:36:43) (Leon) The 'do unto others' quote is something we all agree on.
(10:36:55) (ky-mike) i am the light of jesus christ... on the path
(10:37:25) (Rosie) so he is saying: MEDITATE!
(10:37:38) (ky-mike) yepp
(10:37:58) (ky-mike) tune in to that higher power .. its a wow !
(10:39:23) (ky-mike) an jesus said ...the truth will set u free..... an thats the path to b on
(10:39:38) (Bill) I must get out and water the garden so it doesn't shrivel up did the flower beds the last few evening Love and Light to each of you!
(10:40:59) (Rosie) thanks for your support everyone...I really appreciate it!
(10:41:29) (ky-mike) it was great rosie . glad to b a part of it
(10:42:13) (ky-mike) rosie is wise
(10:42:33) (Rosie) oh please! those I quote are wise!
(10:42:40) (Leon) And very accurate
(10:42:51) (ky-mike) witch makes u wise !
(09:36:28) (Rosie) Last week I related the Vision of the 4 Signs as experienced by the Apache Shaman Stalking Wolf, or Grandfather as he was known by Tom Brown Jr., who wrote the book “The Quest,” in which the experience was recounted.
(09:36:47) (true_eagle-mike) im inawe of grandfather/stalkingwolf
(09:36:54) (Rosie) me too!
(09:36:59) (Rosie) Grandfather had this prophetic vision while on a Vision Quest in the 1920s, when he was a young man. He was in his 80s in 1962 when he told it to Brown, who was a boy of about 12 at the time and had been in spiritual and other training under Grandfather since age 8.
(09:37:07) (true_eagle-mike) wooo hooo
(09:37:23) (Rosie) He “saw” Brown as one who would have the capability of helping change the outcome of the vision in which foresaw famine, the AIDS epidemic, our current environmental crisis, and the almost complete annihilation of humanity on this planet due to man’s willful separation from God and mistreatment of Mother Earth.
(09:37:25) (true_eagle-mike) his vishions r warning gang
(09:38:06) (Rosie) Grandfather said that if the 3rd sign, the “holes in the sky,” came to pass there would no longer be anything we could do physically to avoid our own destruction – that only spiritual solutions remained. If the 4th sign comes to pass: the Night of the Bleeding Stars, then all hope is lost, Grandfather said.
(09:38:39) (true_eagle-mike) warning wen u see a red moon !
(09:38:45) (Rosie) There was no timeline attached to the signs in Grandfather’s vision, but it appears to me that based on this vision we may have already passed the time when physical solutions are possible. Whether we have or have not, spiritual solutions still appear to hold the key to mankind’s fate.
(09:39:10) (Rosie) Brown said that in the 10 years he knew Grandfather, every vision or prediction he made came to pass.
(09:39:18) (true_eagle-mike) yes rosie
(09:39:32) (true_eagle-mike) every 1
(09:39:32) (Rosie) You know I am not one to accept that we should think negatively about the future – in fact, I believe that the thousands of people who have turned to Spirit in the last 30-40 years have already succeeded in helping turn the tide, to alter the balance toward Spirit.
(09:40:04) (Rosie) But I also believe that the various prophecies and visions that we have all heard about were given to us as a gift, as an opportunity to know where we are presently headed and to decide whether or not we want to create different, more positive outcomes.
(09:40:33) (true_eagle-mike) posative prayers ^i^
(09:40:45) (Rosie) I think we should take seriously the warnings in the visions of Grandfather and many others, including Edgar Cayce, and redouble our spiritual efforts in whatever ways we can while there remains time to act.
(09:41:23) (Rosie) We may not be able to forestall the inevitable – unless we do (a bow to Neale Donald Walsch) – but who knows what good we can do, what we can accomplish to help others and Spirit in this difficult and dangerous journey that can also be a joyous journey as well.
(09:41:47) (Rosie) I believe we chose to be here at this time to help achieve Spirit’s aim to lift mankind from a material quagmire.
(09:42:11) (Rosie) Grandfather told Brown of these visions because he felt this young man had the potential to help alter the probable future as he saw it.
(09:42:21) (true_eagle-mike) me to rosie... messenagers
(09:42:59) (Rosie) lightworkers at the very least, mike :o) I think we wouldn't be here in this chat if we weren't
(09:43:10) (Rosie) Brown was horrified at the thought that the fate of the world could rest in part on his future actions. Grandfather had schooled him to adeptship in survival and tracking skills. But also by age 12 this young man was already spiritually adept as well, thanks to Grandfather’s teachings.
(09:43:15) (true_eagle-mike) amen to that
(09:43:49) (Rosie) He asked Grandfather why he could not just live in the wilderness for the rest of his life and be happy communing with nature and Spirit.
(09:44:14) (true_eagle-mike) tom had a mission
(09:44:26) (Rosie) Grandfather responded: “As I have told you, man must not only work for his own spiritual enlightenment but also for the spiritual enlightenment of all mankind. For to run and hide, to think only of ones self and not to have love and compassion for all of man, is to deny part of self.
(09:44:56) (Rosie) “Man is part of the spirit that moves in all things and when one part of that spirit is sick, then all are sick; and when one part of the spirit dies, then part of self dies.
(09:45:25) (Rosie) “By working to keep these prophecies and Visons from becoming reality, and to make the world whole again, we become dedicated to something greater than self, and your spiritual life becomes visible and full. You do not run away from your responsibility.
(09:46:07) (Rosie) “In these desperate times, when the Earth is dying, there can be no rest, no running away, for each of us in our own way must work to change the probable future of mankind. For if modern man destroys himself, then we are personally responsible, and we are destroyed also. Each then is accountable for the future.”
(09:46:48) (janie) *sigh*
(09:46:51) (Rosie) So what steps can we take individually and collectively to help mankind reach the 12th Monkey, so to speak – to once and for all alter the balance to Spirit?
(09:47:04) (Rosie) (it IS the 12th Monkey, right???)
(09:47:16) (true_eagle-mike) o k
(09:47:16) (janie) 100th
(09:47:26) (Sandy) smiling, perfect cryogenics until they listen?
(09:47:32) (Rosie) ok...12...100...you get my point....heehee!
(09:47:32) (janie) 12 monkeys is a Bruce Willis movie! heehee
(09:47:39) (true_eagle-mike) ty
(09:47:47) (Rosie) ok...so that was not totally off the wall....sheesh!
(09:47:51) (true_eagle-mike) u r funny rosie
(09:48:05) (Rosie) I think anything we can do to help the God spirit flow more smoothly through us to others is key.
(09:48:28) (true_eagle-mike) yes an awareness is 1 of them
(09:48:42) (Rosie) That’s why I like the messages in the book “Ask and It Is Given” and other texts of the same nature. Rather than seeing selfishness in the exercises given to help us learn to flex our creative muscles, I see them as positive steps to help us become closer to Spirit and become better conduits for spiritual energy for the benefit of ourselves AND others.
(09:48:45) (janie) Just trying to talk to folks is SO difficult......people are all up-in-arms about terrorism, and because of that, they're attitude is just about as bad as the terrorists'!(09:49:45) (Rosie) try not to think about that! :o)
(09:49:53) (janie) ....difficult to talk peace to folks.....
(09:49:59) (Sandy) janie, people wouldn't understand that there is no distance in the Universe..just
(09:49:59) (Rosie) “Life is creative, and is the manifestation of that energy, that oneness, which may never be wholly discerned or discovered in materiality—and yet is the basis of all motivative forces and influences in the experiences of the individual. Cayce Reading 2012-1
(09:50:31) (Sandy) like there is no time...Love thy neighbor means everyone...not just those within your mileage
(09:50:39) (Rosie) but they CAN understand...I have to believe that
(09:51:14) (Rosie) In fact I believe Spirit is bombarding us with this “creating your reality” information now because it is imperative that we use it NOW.
(09:51:34) (Rosie) I believe that a loving God would act in concert with other loving beings in the spirit realm to give us all the tools possible to help us help ourselves and others in this time of great need – of great opportunity.
(09:52:19) (Rosie) But there is an age-old spiritual tool that Grandfather insists is the most important of all: meditation, or as he called it, the Sacred Silence.
(09:52:51) (Rosie) It is, he said, “a bridge or doorway to the world of nature and spirit.”
(09:53:09) (Roz) which Cayce calls the Golden Silence
(09:53:18) (Rosie) well there ya go!
(09:53:23) (Rosie) Meditation helps open the doorway to communication with Spirit, he said, which responds with dreams, visions, signs, symbols and feelings to direct us, and help us create the reality we choose.
(09:53:56) (Rosie) It is a vehicle, a bridge to the outer realms of man in which resides the “the force” as Grandfather sometimes called it (so did Obiwan Kenobe…Cayce often referred to it as “the Creative Forces), or more often, the “spirit-that-moves-in-all-things,” where man could come close to the Creator, create “miracles” and transcend the trappings and prisons of the flesh.
(09:55:16) (Rosie) (are you hearing this, janie? heehee!)
(09:55:47) (Rosie) Grandfather said modern man tends to unnecessarily complicate the act of meditation. Cayce’s guides agreed with Grandfather on this and other points, as paraphrased in SFG Book 2.
(09:56:06) (Rosie) “It is within the human soul, the simplest unit of God (which man would make complex), that we will find Him abiding. Sensing the presence of God within and without, we become quiet, throw off anxiety, and are conscious of a renewing power.
(09:56:40) (Rosie) “The Spirit of God speaks through the soul – the soul forces. How may we know this? We must study and meditate until we realize what attitude we hold concerning His presence. Men of old have said, “Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.”
(09:57:00) (Rosie) “We, too, may feel at times that it is physically impossible to attain to that knowledge. May we not take God at His word and accept His free gift of grace, love and mercy? “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that GIVITH TO ALL MEN LIBERALLY, AND UPBRAIDETH NOT.”
(09:57:46) (Rosie) Edgar Cayce said, “Ye must learn to meditate—just as ye have learned to walk, to talk…”
(09:58:29) (Rosie) Grandfather said the logical mind must not dominate, but must become part of the whole. Man is a duality, part flesh and part spirit. When the spiritual mind and the physical mind become equal, “then it is what we call the “Sacred Oneness.”
(09:58:39) (ky-mike) an it is part of the anser ...
(09:58:51) (Rosie) Edgar Cayce said the same thing in a different manner: “Mind is the builder, and—if there will be kept a balance—the physical mind and the spiritual mind should cooperate, coordinate.” Reading 1593-1
(09:59:11) (ky-mike) the sacred silence
(09:59:30) (Rosie) (Faith, Grandfather added, is “one of the most powerful forces on earth, is required to achieve this active duality.”)
(10:00:00) (Rosie) The Native American approach to meditation is a more active one as compared to the “passive” approach (as Grandfather called it) used by the majority of western man.
(10:00:17) (Rosie) And yet for both, the path to achieving successful meditation, to achieving body-mind control, is basically the same: relaxation, stilling of the logical or conscious mind (combating distractions) and achieving a focal or concentration point, which Cayce said should be our highest ideal.
(10:00:24) (ky-mike) grandfather/stalkingwolf read the bible...an was in awe of jesus christ ^i^
(10:00:37) (Rosie) yes, he was
(10:00:48) (Roz) it is as natural as breathing
(10:00:53) (ky-mike) yes.. an beleved
(10:00:58) (Rosie) Grandfather felt that songs, chants, drumming, music, ceremonies, customs, traditions, religious objects, crystals and countless other concentrations points used by various religions are good beginning points to help achieve a meditative state.
(10:01:12) (Rosie) But they become but become crutches if we believe we have a continued need of them.. Internal concentration, or going within, is preferable, he said, but only if eventually cast aside as well.
(10:01:43) (ky-mike) tune -in to the spirit world an thus save the earth
(10:01:58) (Rosie) that's the point, yes :o)
(10:02:01) (Rosie) With practice, one should be able to achieve a meditative state at any time, Grandfather said, much like turning a light on and off.
(10:02:13) (ky-mike) yes .. !
(10:02:18) (Rosie) Abraham, in “Ask and It is Given,” encourages the use of meditation to help speed along the disposal of beliefs that do not serve us and therefore hinder us from creating the reality we desire.
(10:02:34) (Roz) like anything we have to learn by practice
(10:02:42) (ky-mike) seek an u shalll find
(10:02:43) (Rosie) indeed
(10:03:10) (Rosie) Ala Grandfather, Abraham says that with practice, “these higher frequencies will become so familiar to you that you will be able to reclaim them whenever you choose.”
(10:03:28) (Rosie) According to Abraham, over time, if you meditate regularly, at least 10-15 minutes a day, “you will become quite sensitive to the way the higher frequencies feel within your body. Whenever you focus on anything that causes a dip in your vibration, you will now be more likely to recognize it at the early, subtle stages before the dip is too significant, and you will be able to easily change your resistant thought in order to maintain your balance.
(10:04:10) (Rosie) In meditation, you are saying to your Source Energy, to your Inner Being, to God, the Force, spirit-that-moves-in-all-things: “Here I am, in a state of allowing. I’m allowing Source Energy to flow purely through me.”
(10:04:13) (Roz) and what ever you hold in your mind is enhanced
(10:04:19) (Rosie) yes
(10:04:47) (ky-mike) an your awareness.. goes way up !
(10:05:07) (Rosie) There are other ways of raising your vibrations, too, Abraham says, if you don’t have the opportunity to meditate, “such as listening to music that makes your heart sing, jogging in a beautiful place, petting your cat, walking your dog, and other activities that are pleasing to you. They set the tone and help you release resistant thoughts, putting you in a place of pure, positive thought.”
(10:05:53) (Roz) as long as yu dont use them as a crutch
(10:06:04) (ky-mike) yes
(10:06:24) (Rosie) yes...like tiny tim..throw away the crutches
(10:06:54) (Rosie) Once meditation is achieved, Grandfather said, “The powers of the mind, coupled with choice and belief, can create ANY reality.
(10:07:10) (ky-mike) an the soul will soar
(10:07:26) (Rosie) I repeat...any reality
(10:07:34) (Roz) Cayces' affirmations work
(10:07:39) (Rosie) In Reading 281-41 Cayce acknowledged this as well.
(10:07:50) (Rosie) “It isn’t what you want someone else to give! As Moses gave of old, it isn’t who will descend from heaven to bring you a message, nor who would come from over the seas, but lo, ye find Him within thine own heart, within thine own consciousness! If ye will meditate, open they heart, thy mind! Let thy body and mind be channels THAT YE MAY DO THE THINGS YE ASK GOD TO DO FOR YOU! Thus ye come to know Him.”
(10:08:48) (Rosie) In short: Meditate y'all! The End.
(10:09:02) (ky-mike) ty rosie
(10:09:18) (Roz) Great lesson Rosie
(10:09:19) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you Rosie! Great chat!
(10:09:23) (ky-mike) meditation...is the key to it all
(10:09:25) (Bill) TY Rosie
(10:09:27) (Rosie) thanks :o)
(10:09:40) (janie) Thanks, Rosie! I NEED That kick in the pants to get back into meditating regularly!
(10:09:40) (Leon) Thanks Rosie
(10:10:14) (Amen-Ta) What did Cayce acknowledge in reading 281-41 Rosie?
(10:10:17) (ky-mike) it is a great feeling
(10:10:52) (Rosie) “The powers of the mind, coupled with choice and belief, can create ANY reality.”
(10:11:31) (Amen-Ta) That isn't what is said in the reading.
(10:11:32) (ky-mike) rosie.. i have read most of toms books in cluding survival training
(10:12:05) (Bill) the readings are constantly telling us we create our own reality
(10:12:20) (Rosie) what he says is that we can do anything we might ask God to do for us...it doesn't get much clearer than that.
(10:12:24) (janie) I've gotta get those books, Ro......*looking on Amazon*
(10:12:24) (ky-mike) an to meditate TA
(10:12:33) (Amen-Ta) Yes that is true Bill.
(10:12:43) (Amen-Ta) By what you do today.
(10:12:59) (WalksInSpirit) Well, that is what Rosie's chat has been telling us also, Joey. So, what's the deal?
(10:13:09) (ky-mike) my library has most of them janie
(10:13:23) (Rosie) hear that, janie...he as a library!
(10:13:39) (janie) My kinda guy! heehe!
(10:13:47) (Amen-Ta) But I believe Rosie is speaking of Creative Forces coming through to fufill your wants.
(10:13:57) (ky-mike) toms awakeing spirits is 1 of the very best .. has chapters on meditater .. called the sacred silence
(10:14:07) (WalksInSpirit) Joey, the title of Rosie's chat is "Creating YOUR Reality."
(10:14:08) (Bill) yes the content of the lesson was teaching us how to create a spiritual reality , she explained that earlier on
(10:14:43) (WalksInSpirit) not "How To Get The Creative Forces To Be AT Your Service 24/7"
(10:14:44) (ky-mike) tom is famos tracker . called in to save lost people
(10:15:14) (janie) mike......what's your favourite book of Tom's?
(10:15:54) (ky-mike) tom brown jr. ...AWAKEING SPIRITS....it wowed me !
(10:16:40) (ky-mike) it grabed me an did not let go
(10:17:07) (janie) I'd say that's a 'two thumbs up' for THAT book, eh? heeheee!
(10:17:22) (Rosie) a key to Grandfather's teachings is that you not get caught up in dogma, no matter what the religious or spiritual belief...that you need to look for the core message which they all carry\
(10:17:31) (Roz) Keep the Faith Rosie ..... Love and light
(10:17:36) (ky-mike) ty janie ... u said it mikey aproved
(10:17:50) (Rosie) lol
(10:18:08) (ky-mike) yes rosie .. go to the hart of it an use it
(10:19:05) (ky-mike) 3 people im in awe of ... jesus.... edgar cayce .... grandfather/stalkingwolf
(10:20:22) (janie) I see Brown's got a book called 'Grandfather'.....anyone read that one?
(10:20:54) (ky-mike) yes .. another good 1 .. tells about him . an wat tom taught him
(10:21:01) (Rosie) let's face it, one of the reasons our world is in such a mess is because of arguing over dogma, over language, over this sentence or that phrase
(10:21:26) (Rosie) or who said what
(10:21:33) (ky-mike) i agree rosie .. jus give me that facts mam
(10:21:57) (Rosie) we must get OVER that and focus on our oneness...what we all have in common
(10:22:30) (ky-mike) cayce an stalkingwolf were highy tuned in too the spirit world .. an there they got the ansers
(10:22:32) (janie) Well, that fact IS that I've REALLY enjoyed your chats, Rosie! STILL so tickled that you're finally hosting! Yippee!!!!
(10:22:52) (Rosie) lol...thanks
(10:23:20) (ky-mike) A -1 ROSIE.....one of the best
(10:23:41) (Rosie) so, janie....got any ideas for what to discuss next????
(10:23:52) (janie) hmmm.......
(10:24:05) (janie) lemme think on that a bit.....
(10:24:17) (Rosie) bill's looking for ideas, too
(10:24:34) (Rosie) does anyone have any suggestions?
(10:24:45) (ky-mike) useing meditation ..an geting results
(10:25:04) (ky-mike) an telling about it !
(10:25:15) (Rosie) next, on Oprah! heehee!
(10:25:28) (ky-mike) hey ..
(10:25:54) (ky-mike) a move r awareness way up there
(10:26:17) (Rosie) I think we're all pretty much aware of the nuts and bolts of meditation...we just need to start DOING
(10:26:26) (janie) agreed, Ro
(10:26:37) (ky-mike) u said it janie .. we can
(10:26:53) (Leon) right
(10:27:09) (ky-mike) yes an there r minny ways thru the doorway of med !
(10:27:44) (ky-mike) 4 me its been a purple door
(10:27:53) (Bill) nothing beats persistance when it comes to meditation
(10:27:54) (Rosie) purple door?
(10:28:05) (Rosie) bill, do you meditate daily?
(10:28:07) (ky-mike) yes a purple vail
(10:28:23) (ky-mike) how i know im there
(10:28:29) (Bill) its also like and elevator you can get off at anyfloor you choose but why not go to the top?
(10:28:37) (Rosie) interesting, mike
(10:29:27) (Amen-Ta) Cayce gave to ignore all save the Light.
(10:29:39) (Leon) I want to feel alive and connected with myself and others I meet.
(10:29:56) (Rosie) are you not, leon?
(10:29:59) (ky-mike) yes an that is it med is en-lightment !
(10:30:23) (Bill) get out and change the world Leon and let it begin with you!
(10:30:33) (ky-mike) med can do that leon
(10:30:48) (Leon) I think the concept should be practiced at every opportunity,
(10:30:58) (Bill) yes it should
(10:31:07) (ky-mike) yes , evey day ... if i could
(10:31:19) (janie) I feel that the essence of spiritual practice is your attitude toward others. When you have a pure, sincere motivation, then you have right attitude toward others based on kindness, compassion, love and respect.~14th Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso
(10:31:37) (ky-mike) an the psychic abillatys abound
(10:31:47) (Rosie) I like that!
(10:31:56) (ky-mike) true !
(10:32:03) (janie) When we feel love and kindness toward others, it not only makes others feel loved and cared for, but it helps us also to develop inner happiness and peace. ~His Holiness The Dalai Lama
(10:32:12) (ky-mike) we all hav it in us .
(10:32:27) (Rosie) that is absolutely true
(10:32:37) (janie) This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness. ~His Holiness The Dalai Lama
(10:32:52) (Leon) The thing is ---- not to get tired of happiness and peace.,
(10:32:57) (ky-mike) yes it is .. an it maes us a better soul .. it did me ^i^
(10:33:04) (ky-mike) makes
(10:33:45) (ky-mike) we r here evolving .. polishing the stone ... i call it
(10:33:48) (Rosie) yes, both Grandfather and Cayce referred to the fact that we tend to complicate the spiritual process
(10:33:50) (Bill) the relization of true happiness escapes many
(10:34:22) (ky-mike) yepp ... making it harder then it is
(10:34:27) (janie) I get 'Early Morning Buddhist Inspiration' quotes every day....I've been saving some of them.....really have enjoyed them!
(10:34:33) (Leon) We don't mean to complicate
(10:34:41) (Rosie) hey, send me that link, janie..please?
(10:35:00) (ky-mike) the dali lama.. his books teach med
(10:35:03) (WalksInSpirit) Mike, Cayce said Indigo and Violet indicates a religious seeker, as it appears in the auras. I would think this would also translate to your purple veil as well. It's good. :-)
(10:35:12) (Rosie) in my mind, if you do unto others as you would have them do unto you, that's all you really need to know
(10:35:50) (ky-mike) yes wis . u nailed it ... that was me ... seeking a higher power
(10:36:09) (Bill) There has been and is ever the promise to every soul that He, thy Father, thy God, will meet thee in thy holy temple. Then accept same. Prepare self. Dedicate self; making those necessary activities for insuring self of that influence, that activity on the part of self, and there needs be little fear--ever--to enter. For he that does so doubting already invites that which would bring corruption, dissension. But he that does so in the assurance that the promises
(10:36:34) (Rosie) that the promises..
(10:36:43) (Leon) The 'do unto others' quote is something we all agree on.
(10:36:55) (ky-mike) i am the light of jesus christ... on the path
(10:37:25) (Rosie) so he is saying: MEDITATE!
(10:37:38) (ky-mike) yepp
(10:37:58) (ky-mike) tune in to that higher power .. its a wow !
(10:39:23) (ky-mike) an jesus said ...the truth will set u free..... an thats the path to b on
(10:39:38) (Bill) I must get out and water the garden so it doesn't shrivel up did the flower beds the last few evening Love and Light to each of you!
(10:40:59) (Rosie) thanks for your support everyone...I really appreciate it!
(10:41:29) (ky-mike) it was great rosie . glad to b a part of it
(10:42:13) (ky-mike) rosie is wise
(10:42:33) (Rosie) oh please! those I quote are wise!
(10:42:40) (Leon) And very accurate
(10:42:51) (ky-mike) witch makes u wise !
