Post by WalksInSpirit on Jul 20, 2006 22:15:15 GMT -5
Wednesday Night Chat: 07-19-06
Rosie says: OK, well, I still haven't come up with a new topic...been to busy for that
Rosie says: But I have been reading more of Tom Brown Jr.'s books...you may remember I mentioned him and his teacher, an old Apache scout and shaman he knew as Grandfather
Rosie says: does anyone remember?
Sandy says: Rosie, no..I'm all ears
Rosie says: even vaguely?
Bill says: didn't relize your read
Bill says: you
Sandy says: lol
Rosie says: :oP...nice to see you, TOO, pa
Rosie says: :o)
MaryAnne says: I remember Rosie
janie says: I remember!
Bill says: did you learn anything?
Rosie says: Tom was taught by Grandfather as a young boy how to track and survive in the wilderness...he gives seminars on that sort of thing today....more important, Grandfather taught him spiritual lessons
Sandy says: sure Bill
Rosie says: Grandfather, or Stalking Wolf, was in his 80s when he met Tom and tutored him for about 10 years
Rosie says: this was in the 60s
Rosie says: It's hard to describe Grandfather in just a few words...he was truly a spiritual man and adept shaman and healer
Rosie says: In the 1920s while on a spiritual or Vision Quest, Grandfather had a series of prophetic visions concerning the fate of mankind
Sandy says: Rosie, so what were the visions Grandfather had?
Rosie says: I want to tell you about these visions, not to scare you or dwell on doom and gloom, but to help re-emphasize the importance of utilizing our spiritual gifts and talents at this time....including honing the art of creating our own reality :o)
Rosie says: Grandfather called it the Vison of the Four Signs
Rosie says: During them, elders or spirit guides were explaining them and their potential consequences
Rosie says: The spirit warrior spoke to him saying, “These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator. There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the Earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so, too, does the future it marks.”
Rosie says: The first is famine. In an unnamed place, “the land of starvation,” where Grandfather saw a vision of many people dead and dying.
Rosie says: And elder in spirit spoke to him, saying, “The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned.
Rosie says: . But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it create this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too may for the land to bear. These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love, and peace.
Rosie says: But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society. It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of creation and as a result is now forcing them to die
Rosie says: There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one. The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself.
Rosie says: It is during the years of the famine that man will be plagued by a disease, a disease that will sweep the land and terrorize the masses. The doctors will have no answers for the people and a great cry will arise across the land. The disease will be born of monkeys, drugs and sex.
Rosie says: It will destroy man from inside, making common sickness a killing disease. Mankind will bring this disease upon himself as a result of his life, his worship of sex and drugs, and a life away from Nature.
janie says: wow.....well we all know that one...
Rosie says: This, too, is a part of the first warning, but again man will not heed this warning and he will continue to worship the false gods of sex and the unconscious spirit of drugs.” He goes on to talk about how nations will fight this in the wrong way. Lashing out at the effect rather than the cause.
Cris says: Darfur for famine Aids for the disease
Rosie says: I think this vision could be referring to the famines in East Africa and the AIDS epidemic in all of Africa
Cris says: true
Rosie says: Prior to that there have been other famines in Africa and Bangaladesh...but none of those involved AIDS that I can find
Rosie says: “It is then, in the years of the first sign, that man can change the course of the probable future. It is then that he may understand the greater lessons of the famine and the disease. It is then that there can still be hope.
Rosie says: But once the second sign of destruction appears, the Earth can no longer be healed on a physical level. Only a spiritual healing can then change the course of the probably futures of mankind.”
Rosie says: The second sign: Holes in the Sky.
Rosie says: Holes in the ozone????
Sandy says: sure, why not?
Rosie says: These holes are a direct result of man’s life, his travel, and of the sins of his grandfathers and grandmothers. These holes will mark the killing of his grandchildren and will become a legacy to man’s life away from nature.
Rosie says: man's life and travel....holes in the ozone seem to fit
Rosie says: It is the time of these holes that will mark a great transition in mankind’s thinking. They will then be faced with a choice, a choice to continue following the path of destruction or a choice to move back to the philosophy of the Earth and a simpler existence.”
Rosie says: It is here, at the beginning of this second sign, that man can no longer heal the Earth with physical action. It is here that man must heed the warning and work harder to change the future at hand. He must not only work physically, he must also work spiritually, through prayer, for only through prayer can man now hope to heal the earth and himself.
Rosie says: If these visions are true...and Tom Brown says Grandfather's visions always came true as long as he knew them, we are already in a time where only spiritual action can change the course of destiny
Rosie says: as long as he knew HIM
MaryAnne says: If I may I would like to share a dream I had some years ago about the earth changes.
Rosie says: go ahead
Sandy says: go ahead, MaryAnne
Cris says: Please MaryAnne
MaryAnne says: I had of course contemplated our surviving. In the dream I was shown the towns people forming malitias to protect those who grew the food.
MaryAnne says: I was disappointed because I thought everyone should be fed but was told : It has to be as they break in and steal but contribute nothing.
MaryAnne says: I think the famine will be very, very wide spread
James says: thoughts are things
Rosie says: any idea of a timeline on this, MA?
MaryAnne says: Let me reword that: it could be very wide spread.
MaryAnne says: No, Rosie. Wish I did.
MaryAnne says: I think there is still time to change things.
Rosie says: certainly there is...that is the point of this discussion
James says: God would have none perish
Rosie says: is that all, MA?
MaryAnne says: Yes, that's all to the dream, Rosie.
Rosie says: OK, then on to the third vision
Rosie says: The third sign is the night of the bleeding stars
James says: Just perpetuates what has gone on for centuries man has always been his own worst enemy
Rosie says: As Grandfather gazed out onto the landscape toward the setting sun, the sky suddenly turned back to a liquid and then turned blood red. As far as his eyes could see, the sky was solid red, with no variation in shadow, texture, or light. The whole of creation seemed to have grown still, as if awaiting some unseen command.
Rosie says: Time, place, and destiny seemed to be in limbo, stilled by the bleeding sky. He gazed for a long time at the sky, in a state of awe and terror, for the red color of the sky was like nothing he had ever seen in any sunset or sunrise. The color was that of man, not of Nature, and it had a vile stench and texture.
Rosie says: It seemed to burn the Earth wherever it touched. As sunset drifted to night, the stars shone bright red, the color never leaving the sky, and everywhere was heard the cries of fear and pain.
Rosie says: The elder spoke: This then is the third sign, the night of the bleeding stars. It will become known throughout the world, for the sky in all lands will be red with the blood of the sky, day and night. It is then, with the sign of the third probable future, that there is no longer hope.
Rosie says: Life on Earth as man has lived it will come to an end, and there can be no turning back, physically or spiritually. It is then, if things are not changed during the second, sign, that man will surely know the destruction of the Earth is at hand.
Rosie says: It is then that the children of the Earth must run to the wild places and hide. For when the sky bleeds fire, there will be no safety in the world of man.”
Rosie says: “From this time, when the stars bleed, to the fourth and final sign will be four seasons of peace. It is in these four seasons that the children of the Earth must live deep in the wild places and find a new home, close to the Earth and the Creator.
Rosie says: It is only the children of the Earth what will survive, and they must live the philosophy of the Earth, never returning to the thinking of man. And survival will not be enough, for the children of the Earth must also live close to the spirit. So tell them not to hesitate if and when this third sign becomes manifest in the stars, for there are but four seasons to escape.”
James says: do it now why wait for disaster
Rosie says: “The fourth and final sign will appear through the next 10 winters following the night that the stars will bleed. During this time the Earth will heal itself and man will die. For those ten years the children of the Earth must remain hidden in the wild places, make no permanent camps, and wander to avoid contact with the last remaining forces of man.
Rosie says: They must remain hidden, like the ancient scouts and fight the urge to go back to the destruction of man. Curiosity could kill many.”
Rosie says: Famine, disease, roving bands of men who will hunt and kill other men for food. The land, the sky and the water will be poisoned.”
Rosie says: Brown then had his own vision of the night of the bleeding stars. He questioned why the vision was being passed on to him, what he was to do with the knowledge.
Rosie says: Grandfather said: “As I have told you, man must not only work for his own spiritual enlightenment but also for the spiritual enlightenment of all mankind. For to run and hide, to think only of ones self and not to have love and compassion for all of man, is to deny part of self.
mark says: i'm going to get me a bunker
Rosie says: Man is part of the spirit that moves in all things and when one part of that spirit is sick, then all are sick; and when one part of the spirit dies, then part of self dies.
Sandy says: good idea
Rosie says: By working to keep these prophecies and Visons from becoming reality, and to make the world whole again, we become dedicated to something greater than self, and your spiritual life becomes visible and full. You do not run away from your responsibility.
Rosie says: “In these desperate times, when the Earth is dying, there can be no rest, no running away, for each of us in our own way must work to change the probably future of mankind. For if modern man destroys himself, then we are personally responsible, and we are destroyed also. Each then is accountable for the future.
James says: The Truth Is in those of the Truth
Sandy says: thanks for the bedtime story and the chat! nite all
Rosie says: I think all of us are here in this place because we are concerned not only about our own spirituality but also that of others
MaryAnne says: We all have our work cut out for us it seems.
Rosie says: The question is, what can we do?
MaryAnne says: I suppose most of us fall somewhat short in some area...just working to make ourselves better and contribute seems to be in order.
James says: That is always the test in this room
janie says: ....as far as the holes in the ozone layer.....we can start supporting all alternative energy products....
Rosie says: Yes, that is something we can do physically
janie says: Did anyone see the documentary on Discovery Channel about global warming? (Narrated by Tom Brokaw)
Rosie says: We can each do our part by trying to use fewer fossil fuels and other products that harm the atmosphere
Cris says: Some of those ozone holes are actually diminishing
MaryAnne says: Yes, janie...we need to simplify, simplify, simplify.
Cris says: In our reiki group we send healing energy to the earth
janie says: talked about how each of us, by using flourescent lightbulbs instead of 'regular ones', we can save several tons (per family) of CO2 production each year...
James says: tell us next week how successful you were
Rosie says: But if the visions are true, it seems as thought we are already past purely physical solutions...which means we must do all we can to develop our own spirituality and affect the whole in that manner
janie says: good idea, Cris :o)
MaryAnne says: We have useed flourescent lighting for a lot of years...but there is still more I should be doing.
Rosie says: And that's one way...yes, cris
Cris says: That is an ongoing project for us
Rosie says: I think developing the concepts in the Creating Your Reality series is another step we can take
MaryAnne says: I agree Rosie, it is much more than a physical problem.
Rosie says: As we work with those concepts we fine tune our ability to create alternate futures
James says: what were the concepts?
janie says: I'm still having trouble with figgering out just how to TALK to folks (in real life) about this sort of thing......
Rosie says: James, you can go to WIS's website to view the past chats on that subject
Cris says: Whenever two or more are gathered..... we work together but it takes everyone on the same page to see big changes
Rosie says: Another thing that both Grandfather and Abraham emphasized was meditation
Cris says: That includes the politicians and manufacturing honchos
Rosie says: Meditation, or the Sacred Silence as Grandfather called it, “is a bridge or doorway to the world of nature and spirit.
Cris says: They could significantly reduce pollution
Rosie says: It helps bring us in contact with our Inner Vision
James says: does everyone else here know what the concepts are?
Rosie says: It is through our dreams, visions, signs, symbols and feelings that Inner Vision communicates to us. Now you understand to intensify and empower the Sacred Silence and Inner Vision you must use the pure mind, the spiritual mind, so that you come from that place of purity.
Moira says: no
James says: are there a lot of them?
Rosie says: James...in short it is about releasing negatives thoughts and raising your vibrations to a spiritual state in which you can create whatever you want in your reality...in other words, fulfill your destiny as a co-Creator with God
James says: empathic reversal
Moira says: I like that
Bill says: L&L Folks, TY Rosie
Moira says: does it work?
James says: yes
Rosie says: It's the cayce "thoughts are things" concept expanded
Moira says: what if someone is always stepping on your flowers .....what is the positive of that geesh
James says: no reaction is the first step to all the tests remain neutral
Amen-Ta says: You can learn of tolerance, and patience.
Rosie says: then you envision your flowers as healthy and not stepped on...and you have faith that is what will occur
Moira says: Is that a lesson in endurance lol
Moira says: lol Amen didnt read your post
Amen-Ta says: You can do nothing outside of Gods Will.
Amen-Ta says: Don't matter what you want.
Rosie says: Enter the naysayer
Moira says: something is in the oven I think
Amen-Ta says: Enter the Truth.
James says: Yes
Rosie says: Well, you've sat through enough of these to know that your truth is not necessarily my truth or anyone else's...but you're certainly entitled to it
Amen-Ta says: Your wants and desires are what separated you from Heaven in the first place.
James says: Thanks
janie says: Sorry that you're separated from heaven, AT.....I'm not!
Amen-Ta says: Like Caye gave, "Repentance then is not my will O God, but Yours.":
James says: Where's the Love in that remark?
Rosie says: What if we want peace, and an end to the sufferings of mankind here on earth? Who decides if that's God's will...YOU??? I think not
Amen-Ta says: You are welcome to your opinions janie.
James says: Why are you attacking?
Amen-Ta says: Not that you have any factual evidence to draaw such a conclusion.
MaryAnne says: What do you have other than a lot of reading, Amen-Ta?
Amen-Ta says: But man, and woman, ofeten rest upon their own folly.
James says: Application
janie says: Neither do you, AT.....they're all simply opinions based upon what you've read...some things 'ring true' with us, some do not.
Amen-Ta says: a whole lot MaryAnne.
Rosie says: I guess I'll stop here for now...
Amen-Ta says: I am not copying and pasting.
Amen-Ta says: That is not true.
janie says: Rosie, it's interesting how many sources have the same visions of the future.....
Amen-Ta says: That is a conclusion you have drawn with little information to base such a statement.
MaryAnne says: Rosie, I am sorry I interrupted to inject my dream...I thought you had finished.
Rosie says: I think there has to be a basic kernel of truth in all of them...and certainly the condition of our world today lends credence
janie says: the famine, dis-ease.....never heard of the bleeding stars thing before though.....but it's not difficult to visualize from what you posted earlier...
Rosie says: it's OK, MA :o)
janie says: MaryAnne....how long ago did you have that vision?
James says: that's better
MaryAnne says: If I am not mistaken, Cayce did say there would be signs.
Rosie says: the point is this is a time for spiritual action...I think we can all do more
Amen-Ta says: And whatTrue
MaryAnne says: About two years ago, janie
MaryAnne says: I agree Rosie.
Rosie says: we can start by being cooperative and helpful and raising each other up, and not wasting time tearing down others
Rosie says: we need to find our common ground and work toward solutions
MaryAnne says: No, janie....I rarely get a time line...I don't know why...maybe in this instance it was not so definite yet,
James says: Rosie if the create your own reality is getting rid of the negatives then why would you post the things you posted tonight ,which ,inmy opinion were all negative?
janie says: good point, Rosie :o)
MaryAnne says: I do agree, Rosie.
Amen-Ta says: Finding flaws in teacings, is not the same as finding flaws in people.
Amen-Ta says: One is an action./
janie says: James....because we can still do something to change things when we see those signs...
MaryAnne says: It is not negative to be aware.
Rosie says: I stated at the outset, James, that the purpose was not to instill fear but to point out that there is a need for all of us to do more to effect spiritual solutions
James says: Wouldn't ignoring those negatives and dwelling on the postive be much more conducive to reaching the objective ?
Rosie says: I believe the purpose of prophecy is to allow us time to act to create better outcomes
janie says: I'm glad that Rosie shared what she's read with us tonight.....It lends credence to the feeling I've had that time's running out......Those first signs have occurred/are occuring....even more reason to work together in peace :o)
James says: put the blinders on
Rosie says: I've spent a good deal of time here the past few months dwelling on the positives...I believe this is a case in point why we need to work harder to achieve positive spiritual outcomes
Amen-Ta says: Agreed Rosie, to provide an opportunity for change.
janie says: I've tried those, James....doesn't work for me!
janie says: ;o)]
MaryAnne says: Me, too, I am very pleased that this information was shared with us.
mark says: thank you Rosie
Rosie says: I hope the ripples are positive ones :o)
MaryAnne says: They are definitely positive here. Underlined what I have been seeing/feeling for sometime now.
Rosie says: If not, it's not for lack of trying
janie says: One of my main tests in this life has been to deal with procrastination.....gotta admit that I've procrastinated on the daily meditation (which I KNOW will help), the prep stuff.....the sharing with others/lifting up others......No time like the present!
mark says: procrastination maybe my down fall
janie says: It's SO difficult when, in my head I KNOW what I need to do, but 'in real life', I get sucked into the illusions of it all....leaving the really important stuff on the back burner......*sigh*
Rosie says: we all do it...but we can change
MaryAnne says: Same here, janie...and I am so ashamed of myself at times.
janie says: Me too, MaryAnne!
James says: That is why it is so important to leave self behind
janie says: Tonight, I was grumbling to myself about the heat.....needing to mow my lawn.....noticing that I've got about a bajillion green beans to pick.....
Rosie says: now don't tear yourself down....like Abraham said, appreciate where you've been, who you are at this point, and go from there
James says: I would say forget about who you are
MaryAnne says: I do believe that, Rosie...and truly try to keep that in mind at all times/
MaryAnne says: .
Rosie says: :o)
janie says: I forgot about mowing, picked a quick bucket of green beans, and walked to the retirement apartments behind my house, and handed out green beans for free to whomever wanted some! Didn't miss mowing the lawn at ALL! heehee!
Rosie says: cool, janie!
MaryAnne says: That is not my take on things, James. I believe we must remember who we are in the grand scheme of things.
James says: Let life happen why try to contro; it
Amen-Ta says: Don't Know who you Are till self has been lost.
janie says: I figgered I needed to raise my vibrations some to get over the heat and the long grass in my yard! heehee!
MaryAnne says: Life happens whether we like it or not...just make the best of whatever it is.
mark says: that's what it's all about remembering
Rosie says: see there, janie...you remembered what was really important
James says: He who loses his life will save it he who saves his life will lose it
Amen-Ta says: Yes mark
Amen-Ta says: Coming to Rememberance of What You Were, before man fell from Grace.
MaryAnne says: Very interesting tonight, Rosie...thanks a lot...goodnight everyone.
James says: Yes Amen-Ta
James says: getting back to basics
James says: the Essential One
James says: in Him we breathe ,live and have our existance
janie says: So mark......you've got an issue with procrastination too!?!?
mark says: are we starting on the 5th root race?
janie says: (I do best if I've got some sort of a deadline....no deadline on dusting or mowing the grass! heehee!)
Rosie says: I wonder if the 5th root race thing has to do with dwelling in the 5th dimension
janie says: hmmm.....good thought there, Rosie!
Rosie says: that never occurred to me before...
mark says: lower vib's i think
janie says: mark....I'd say that the 'indigo children' are a sign of what's to come....there's soitenly changes afoot!
mark says: each one and there is seven in all
Rosie says: according to some texts, that is the next realm of existence for those who now choose spirit
janie says: ....or perhaps listening to the 5th Dimension's songs? heehee!
mark says: yes
Amen-Ta says: Cayce only mentioned it in one reading.
Rosie says: When the moon...is in the 7th House.....
janie says: *singing* Age of Aquarius.....Age of Aquariusssssss......
Rosie says: love that song!
janie says: me too! Heard it today while driving....had a flashback to a Jr High dance.....heehee!
Rosie says: really??? lol
mark says: lol
Rosie says: *when peace will guide the planets and love will steer the stars*
janie says: first slow dance.....(for the first part of the song)
Blu says: Is it phosphorus that is suppose to be in the 5th root race?
Rosie says: phosphorus??
James says: Haleluyah
Blu says: some chemical or something is suppose to be a part of thier chemical make up, something we don't havenow
mark says: that glow in the dark stuff?
Blu says: I may have the wrong chemical, I read it last night I think
mark says: under a black light
Rosie says: don't remember that one, blu
Blu says: on the Cayce Mysteries page
Blu says: let me look for it
Rosie says: I thought we at least traces of all minerals in our bodies
Rosie says: But I have been reading more of Tom Brown Jr.'s books...you may remember I mentioned him and his teacher, an old Apache scout and shaman he knew as Grandfather
Rosie says: does anyone remember?
Sandy says: Rosie, no..I'm all ears
Rosie says: even vaguely?
Bill says: didn't relize your read
Bill says: you
Sandy says: lol
Rosie says: :oP...nice to see you, TOO, pa
Rosie says: :o)
MaryAnne says: I remember Rosie
janie says: I remember!
Bill says: did you learn anything?
Rosie says: Tom was taught by Grandfather as a young boy how to track and survive in the wilderness...he gives seminars on that sort of thing today....more important, Grandfather taught him spiritual lessons
Sandy says: sure Bill
Rosie says: Grandfather, or Stalking Wolf, was in his 80s when he met Tom and tutored him for about 10 years
Rosie says: this was in the 60s
Rosie says: It's hard to describe Grandfather in just a few words...he was truly a spiritual man and adept shaman and healer
Rosie says: In the 1920s while on a spiritual or Vision Quest, Grandfather had a series of prophetic visions concerning the fate of mankind
Sandy says: Rosie, so what were the visions Grandfather had?
Rosie says: I want to tell you about these visions, not to scare you or dwell on doom and gloom, but to help re-emphasize the importance of utilizing our spiritual gifts and talents at this time....including honing the art of creating our own reality :o)
Rosie says: Grandfather called it the Vison of the Four Signs
Rosie says: During them, elders or spirit guides were explaining them and their potential consequences
Rosie says: The spirit warrior spoke to him saying, “These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator. There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the Earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so, too, does the future it marks.”
Rosie says: The first is famine. In an unnamed place, “the land of starvation,” where Grandfather saw a vision of many people dead and dying.
Rosie says: And elder in spirit spoke to him, saying, “The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned.
Rosie says: . But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it create this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too may for the land to bear. These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love, and peace.
Rosie says: But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society. It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of creation and as a result is now forcing them to die
Rosie says: There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one. The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself.
Rosie says: It is during the years of the famine that man will be plagued by a disease, a disease that will sweep the land and terrorize the masses. The doctors will have no answers for the people and a great cry will arise across the land. The disease will be born of monkeys, drugs and sex.
Rosie says: It will destroy man from inside, making common sickness a killing disease. Mankind will bring this disease upon himself as a result of his life, his worship of sex and drugs, and a life away from Nature.
janie says: wow.....well we all know that one...
Rosie says: This, too, is a part of the first warning, but again man will not heed this warning and he will continue to worship the false gods of sex and the unconscious spirit of drugs.” He goes on to talk about how nations will fight this in the wrong way. Lashing out at the effect rather than the cause.
Cris says: Darfur for famine Aids for the disease
Rosie says: I think this vision could be referring to the famines in East Africa and the AIDS epidemic in all of Africa
Cris says: true
Rosie says: Prior to that there have been other famines in Africa and Bangaladesh...but none of those involved AIDS that I can find
Rosie says: “It is then, in the years of the first sign, that man can change the course of the probable future. It is then that he may understand the greater lessons of the famine and the disease. It is then that there can still be hope.
Rosie says: But once the second sign of destruction appears, the Earth can no longer be healed on a physical level. Only a spiritual healing can then change the course of the probably futures of mankind.”
Rosie says: The second sign: Holes in the Sky.
Rosie says: Holes in the ozone????
Sandy says: sure, why not?
Rosie says: These holes are a direct result of man’s life, his travel, and of the sins of his grandfathers and grandmothers. These holes will mark the killing of his grandchildren and will become a legacy to man’s life away from nature.
Rosie says: man's life and travel....holes in the ozone seem to fit
Rosie says: It is the time of these holes that will mark a great transition in mankind’s thinking. They will then be faced with a choice, a choice to continue following the path of destruction or a choice to move back to the philosophy of the Earth and a simpler existence.”
Rosie says: It is here, at the beginning of this second sign, that man can no longer heal the Earth with physical action. It is here that man must heed the warning and work harder to change the future at hand. He must not only work physically, he must also work spiritually, through prayer, for only through prayer can man now hope to heal the earth and himself.
Rosie says: If these visions are true...and Tom Brown says Grandfather's visions always came true as long as he knew them, we are already in a time where only spiritual action can change the course of destiny
Rosie says: as long as he knew HIM
MaryAnne says: If I may I would like to share a dream I had some years ago about the earth changes.
Rosie says: go ahead
Sandy says: go ahead, MaryAnne
Cris says: Please MaryAnne
MaryAnne says: I had of course contemplated our surviving. In the dream I was shown the towns people forming malitias to protect those who grew the food.
MaryAnne says: I was disappointed because I thought everyone should be fed but was told : It has to be as they break in and steal but contribute nothing.
MaryAnne says: I think the famine will be very, very wide spread
James says: thoughts are things
Rosie says: any idea of a timeline on this, MA?
MaryAnne says: Let me reword that: it could be very wide spread.
MaryAnne says: No, Rosie. Wish I did.
MaryAnne says: I think there is still time to change things.
Rosie says: certainly there is...that is the point of this discussion
James says: God would have none perish
Rosie says: is that all, MA?
MaryAnne says: Yes, that's all to the dream, Rosie.
Rosie says: OK, then on to the third vision
Rosie says: The third sign is the night of the bleeding stars
James says: Just perpetuates what has gone on for centuries man has always been his own worst enemy
Rosie says: As Grandfather gazed out onto the landscape toward the setting sun, the sky suddenly turned back to a liquid and then turned blood red. As far as his eyes could see, the sky was solid red, with no variation in shadow, texture, or light. The whole of creation seemed to have grown still, as if awaiting some unseen command.
Rosie says: Time, place, and destiny seemed to be in limbo, stilled by the bleeding sky. He gazed for a long time at the sky, in a state of awe and terror, for the red color of the sky was like nothing he had ever seen in any sunset or sunrise. The color was that of man, not of Nature, and it had a vile stench and texture.
Rosie says: It seemed to burn the Earth wherever it touched. As sunset drifted to night, the stars shone bright red, the color never leaving the sky, and everywhere was heard the cries of fear and pain.
Rosie says: The elder spoke: This then is the third sign, the night of the bleeding stars. It will become known throughout the world, for the sky in all lands will be red with the blood of the sky, day and night. It is then, with the sign of the third probable future, that there is no longer hope.
Rosie says: Life on Earth as man has lived it will come to an end, and there can be no turning back, physically or spiritually. It is then, if things are not changed during the second, sign, that man will surely know the destruction of the Earth is at hand.
Rosie says: It is then that the children of the Earth must run to the wild places and hide. For when the sky bleeds fire, there will be no safety in the world of man.”
Rosie says: “From this time, when the stars bleed, to the fourth and final sign will be four seasons of peace. It is in these four seasons that the children of the Earth must live deep in the wild places and find a new home, close to the Earth and the Creator.
Rosie says: It is only the children of the Earth what will survive, and they must live the philosophy of the Earth, never returning to the thinking of man. And survival will not be enough, for the children of the Earth must also live close to the spirit. So tell them not to hesitate if and when this third sign becomes manifest in the stars, for there are but four seasons to escape.”
James says: do it now why wait for disaster
Rosie says: “The fourth and final sign will appear through the next 10 winters following the night that the stars will bleed. During this time the Earth will heal itself and man will die. For those ten years the children of the Earth must remain hidden in the wild places, make no permanent camps, and wander to avoid contact with the last remaining forces of man.
Rosie says: They must remain hidden, like the ancient scouts and fight the urge to go back to the destruction of man. Curiosity could kill many.”
Rosie says: Famine, disease, roving bands of men who will hunt and kill other men for food. The land, the sky and the water will be poisoned.”
Rosie says: Brown then had his own vision of the night of the bleeding stars. He questioned why the vision was being passed on to him, what he was to do with the knowledge.
Rosie says: Grandfather said: “As I have told you, man must not only work for his own spiritual enlightenment but also for the spiritual enlightenment of all mankind. For to run and hide, to think only of ones self and not to have love and compassion for all of man, is to deny part of self.
mark says: i'm going to get me a bunker
Rosie says: Man is part of the spirit that moves in all things and when one part of that spirit is sick, then all are sick; and when one part of the spirit dies, then part of self dies.
Sandy says: good idea
Rosie says: By working to keep these prophecies and Visons from becoming reality, and to make the world whole again, we become dedicated to something greater than self, and your spiritual life becomes visible and full. You do not run away from your responsibility.
Rosie says: “In these desperate times, when the Earth is dying, there can be no rest, no running away, for each of us in our own way must work to change the probably future of mankind. For if modern man destroys himself, then we are personally responsible, and we are destroyed also. Each then is accountable for the future.
James says: The Truth Is in those of the Truth
Sandy says: thanks for the bedtime story and the chat! nite all
Rosie says: I think all of us are here in this place because we are concerned not only about our own spirituality but also that of others
MaryAnne says: We all have our work cut out for us it seems.
Rosie says: The question is, what can we do?
MaryAnne says: I suppose most of us fall somewhat short in some area...just working to make ourselves better and contribute seems to be in order.
James says: That is always the test in this room
janie says: ....as far as the holes in the ozone layer.....we can start supporting all alternative energy products....
Rosie says: Yes, that is something we can do physically
janie says: Did anyone see the documentary on Discovery Channel about global warming? (Narrated by Tom Brokaw)
Rosie says: We can each do our part by trying to use fewer fossil fuels and other products that harm the atmosphere
Cris says: Some of those ozone holes are actually diminishing
MaryAnne says: Yes, janie...we need to simplify, simplify, simplify.
Cris says: In our reiki group we send healing energy to the earth
janie says: talked about how each of us, by using flourescent lightbulbs instead of 'regular ones', we can save several tons (per family) of CO2 production each year...
James says: tell us next week how successful you were
Rosie says: But if the visions are true, it seems as thought we are already past purely physical solutions...which means we must do all we can to develop our own spirituality and affect the whole in that manner
janie says: good idea, Cris :o)
MaryAnne says: We have useed flourescent lighting for a lot of years...but there is still more I should be doing.
Rosie says: And that's one way...yes, cris
Cris says: That is an ongoing project for us
Rosie says: I think developing the concepts in the Creating Your Reality series is another step we can take
MaryAnne says: I agree Rosie, it is much more than a physical problem.
Rosie says: As we work with those concepts we fine tune our ability to create alternate futures
James says: what were the concepts?
janie says: I'm still having trouble with figgering out just how to TALK to folks (in real life) about this sort of thing......
Rosie says: James, you can go to WIS's website to view the past chats on that subject
Cris says: Whenever two or more are gathered..... we work together but it takes everyone on the same page to see big changes
Rosie says: Another thing that both Grandfather and Abraham emphasized was meditation
Cris says: That includes the politicians and manufacturing honchos
Rosie says: Meditation, or the Sacred Silence as Grandfather called it, “is a bridge or doorway to the world of nature and spirit.
Cris says: They could significantly reduce pollution
Rosie says: It helps bring us in contact with our Inner Vision
James says: does everyone else here know what the concepts are?
Rosie says: It is through our dreams, visions, signs, symbols and feelings that Inner Vision communicates to us. Now you understand to intensify and empower the Sacred Silence and Inner Vision you must use the pure mind, the spiritual mind, so that you come from that place of purity.
Moira says: no
James says: are there a lot of them?
Rosie says: James...in short it is about releasing negatives thoughts and raising your vibrations to a spiritual state in which you can create whatever you want in your reality...in other words, fulfill your destiny as a co-Creator with God
James says: empathic reversal
Moira says: I like that
Bill says: L&L Folks, TY Rosie
Moira says: does it work?
James says: yes
Rosie says: It's the cayce "thoughts are things" concept expanded
Moira says: what if someone is always stepping on your flowers .....what is the positive of that geesh
James says: no reaction is the first step to all the tests remain neutral
Amen-Ta says: You can learn of tolerance, and patience.
Rosie says: then you envision your flowers as healthy and not stepped on...and you have faith that is what will occur
Moira says: Is that a lesson in endurance lol
Moira says: lol Amen didnt read your post
Amen-Ta says: You can do nothing outside of Gods Will.
Amen-Ta says: Don't matter what you want.
Rosie says: Enter the naysayer
Moira says: something is in the oven I think
Amen-Ta says: Enter the Truth.
James says: Yes
Rosie says: Well, you've sat through enough of these to know that your truth is not necessarily my truth or anyone else's...but you're certainly entitled to it
Amen-Ta says: Your wants and desires are what separated you from Heaven in the first place.
James says: Thanks
janie says: Sorry that you're separated from heaven, AT.....I'm not!
Amen-Ta says: Like Caye gave, "Repentance then is not my will O God, but Yours.":
James says: Where's the Love in that remark?
Rosie says: What if we want peace, and an end to the sufferings of mankind here on earth? Who decides if that's God's will...YOU??? I think not
Amen-Ta says: You are welcome to your opinions janie.
James says: Why are you attacking?
Amen-Ta says: Not that you have any factual evidence to draaw such a conclusion.
MaryAnne says: What do you have other than a lot of reading, Amen-Ta?
Amen-Ta says: But man, and woman, ofeten rest upon their own folly.
James says: Application
janie says: Neither do you, AT.....they're all simply opinions based upon what you've read...some things 'ring true' with us, some do not.
Amen-Ta says: a whole lot MaryAnne.
Rosie says: I guess I'll stop here for now...
Amen-Ta says: I am not copying and pasting.
Amen-Ta says: That is not true.
janie says: Rosie, it's interesting how many sources have the same visions of the future.....
Amen-Ta says: That is a conclusion you have drawn with little information to base such a statement.
MaryAnne says: Rosie, I am sorry I interrupted to inject my dream...I thought you had finished.
Rosie says: I think there has to be a basic kernel of truth in all of them...and certainly the condition of our world today lends credence
janie says: the famine, dis-ease.....never heard of the bleeding stars thing before though.....but it's not difficult to visualize from what you posted earlier...
Rosie says: it's OK, MA :o)
janie says: MaryAnne....how long ago did you have that vision?
James says: that's better
MaryAnne says: If I am not mistaken, Cayce did say there would be signs.
Rosie says: the point is this is a time for spiritual action...I think we can all do more
Amen-Ta says: And whatTrue
MaryAnne says: About two years ago, janie
MaryAnne says: I agree Rosie.
Rosie says: we can start by being cooperative and helpful and raising each other up, and not wasting time tearing down others
Rosie says: we need to find our common ground and work toward solutions
MaryAnne says: No, janie....I rarely get a time line...I don't know why...maybe in this instance it was not so definite yet,
James says: Rosie if the create your own reality is getting rid of the negatives then why would you post the things you posted tonight ,which ,inmy opinion were all negative?
janie says: good point, Rosie :o)
MaryAnne says: I do agree, Rosie.
Amen-Ta says: Finding flaws in teacings, is not the same as finding flaws in people.
Amen-Ta says: One is an action./
janie says: James....because we can still do something to change things when we see those signs...
MaryAnne says: It is not negative to be aware.
Rosie says: I stated at the outset, James, that the purpose was not to instill fear but to point out that there is a need for all of us to do more to effect spiritual solutions
James says: Wouldn't ignoring those negatives and dwelling on the postive be much more conducive to reaching the objective ?
Rosie says: I believe the purpose of prophecy is to allow us time to act to create better outcomes
janie says: I'm glad that Rosie shared what she's read with us tonight.....It lends credence to the feeling I've had that time's running out......Those first signs have occurred/are occuring....even more reason to work together in peace :o)
James says: put the blinders on
Rosie says: I've spent a good deal of time here the past few months dwelling on the positives...I believe this is a case in point why we need to work harder to achieve positive spiritual outcomes
Amen-Ta says: Agreed Rosie, to provide an opportunity for change.
janie says: I've tried those, James....doesn't work for me!
janie says: ;o)]
MaryAnne says: Me, too, I am very pleased that this information was shared with us.
mark says: thank you Rosie
Rosie says: I hope the ripples are positive ones :o)
MaryAnne says: They are definitely positive here. Underlined what I have been seeing/feeling for sometime now.
Rosie says: If not, it's not for lack of trying
janie says: One of my main tests in this life has been to deal with procrastination.....gotta admit that I've procrastinated on the daily meditation (which I KNOW will help), the prep stuff.....the sharing with others/lifting up others......No time like the present!
mark says: procrastination maybe my down fall
janie says: It's SO difficult when, in my head I KNOW what I need to do, but 'in real life', I get sucked into the illusions of it all....leaving the really important stuff on the back burner......*sigh*
Rosie says: we all do it...but we can change
MaryAnne says: Same here, janie...and I am so ashamed of myself at times.
janie says: Me too, MaryAnne!
James says: That is why it is so important to leave self behind
janie says: Tonight, I was grumbling to myself about the heat.....needing to mow my lawn.....noticing that I've got about a bajillion green beans to pick.....
Rosie says: now don't tear yourself down....like Abraham said, appreciate where you've been, who you are at this point, and go from there
James says: I would say forget about who you are
MaryAnne says: I do believe that, Rosie...and truly try to keep that in mind at all times/
MaryAnne says: .
Rosie says: :o)
janie says: I forgot about mowing, picked a quick bucket of green beans, and walked to the retirement apartments behind my house, and handed out green beans for free to whomever wanted some! Didn't miss mowing the lawn at ALL! heehee!
Rosie says: cool, janie!
MaryAnne says: That is not my take on things, James. I believe we must remember who we are in the grand scheme of things.
James says: Let life happen why try to contro; it
Amen-Ta says: Don't Know who you Are till self has been lost.
janie says: I figgered I needed to raise my vibrations some to get over the heat and the long grass in my yard! heehee!
MaryAnne says: Life happens whether we like it or not...just make the best of whatever it is.
mark says: that's what it's all about remembering
Rosie says: see there, janie...you remembered what was really important
James says: He who loses his life will save it he who saves his life will lose it
Amen-Ta says: Yes mark
Amen-Ta says: Coming to Rememberance of What You Were, before man fell from Grace.
MaryAnne says: Very interesting tonight, Rosie...thanks a lot...goodnight everyone.
James says: Yes Amen-Ta
James says: getting back to basics
James says: the Essential One
James says: in Him we breathe ,live and have our existance
janie says: So mark......you've got an issue with procrastination too!?!?
mark says: are we starting on the 5th root race?
janie says: (I do best if I've got some sort of a deadline....no deadline on dusting or mowing the grass! heehee!)
Rosie says: I wonder if the 5th root race thing has to do with dwelling in the 5th dimension
janie says: hmmm.....good thought there, Rosie!
Rosie says: that never occurred to me before...
mark says: lower vib's i think
janie says: mark....I'd say that the 'indigo children' are a sign of what's to come....there's soitenly changes afoot!
mark says: each one and there is seven in all
Rosie says: according to some texts, that is the next realm of existence for those who now choose spirit
janie says: ....or perhaps listening to the 5th Dimension's songs? heehee!
mark says: yes
Amen-Ta says: Cayce only mentioned it in one reading.
Rosie says: When the moon...is in the 7th House.....
janie says: *singing* Age of Aquarius.....Age of Aquariusssssss......
Rosie says: love that song!
janie says: me too! Heard it today while driving....had a flashback to a Jr High dance.....heehee!
Rosie says: really??? lol
mark says: lol
Rosie says: *when peace will guide the planets and love will steer the stars*
janie says: first slow dance.....(for the first part of the song)
Blu says: Is it phosphorus that is suppose to be in the 5th root race?
Rosie says: phosphorus??
James says: Haleluyah
Blu says: some chemical or something is suppose to be a part of thier chemical make up, something we don't havenow
mark says: that glow in the dark stuff?
Blu says: I may have the wrong chemical, I read it last night I think
mark says: under a black light
Rosie says: don't remember that one, blu
Blu says: on the Cayce Mysteries page
Blu says: let me look for it
Rosie says: I thought we at least traces of all minerals in our bodies
