Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 17, 2005 21:28:22 GMT -5
Consciously Creating Circumstances, Parts 18 & 19: 08-17-05
(08:19:18) (HostLory) Hi Roz. I have an affirmation to begin with tonight, everyone, and since we used part of part #18 last week, we will finish it plus using part #19.
(08:19:56) (HostLory) Let my desire and my needs be in Thy hands, Thou Maker, Creator of the universe and all the forces and powers therein! And may I conform my attitude, my purpose, my desire, to that Thou hast as an activity for me. (Now leave it with Him and go to work!) --462-8
(08:20:36) (Roz) Amen
(08:20:37) (HostLory) FEAR AND FAITH
(08:20:44) (merri) Amen
(08:20:47) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(08:20:51) (diane) Amen
(08:21:23) (kim) so be it
(08:21:27) (HostLory) Some people feel that they understand the law perfectly as soon as their attention has been directed to it. They begin to practice it and as soon as they begin, they also begin to nullify it by their doubts.
(08:21:32) (ron) amen
(08:22:01) (HostLory) . It seems so simple at first that they begin to question: “How is it possible to secure what I need merely by closing my eyes and speaking to myself”? That is one question that arises. “I wonder it if is true; if it will work out for me just as I have been taught”? is another. And so on.
(08:22:45) (HostLory) When an individual begins to wonder, or question a thought-form’s power in any way, he has only one thing to do, and that is to begin all over again, for he has sent out thoughts that have weakened or destroyed his brain children almost the moment they were born.
(08:23:31) (HostLory) These mental states of wonderment, hope, questioning and similar conditions all evidence an inner fundamental doubt, and doubt is fatal to success in any phase of activity. Doubt is a mild form of expressing something stronger and more dangerous ~~FEAR of Failure. “Our doubts”, as Shakespeare has it, “are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win, by fearing to attempt.”
(08:24:34) (HostLory) Maybe you are familiar with the following story, but in any event, it is apropos.
(08:25:05) (HostLory) A traveler met the Black Plague on the way to Bagdad. “”Where are you going?” asked the traveler. “”To Bagdad, to slay five thousand,” said the Plague.
(08:25:35) (HostLory) Later on, the traveler met the Plague returning, and said to it: “You told me you were going to kill only five thousand, but I hear that fifty thousand died.” “I told you truly,” said the Plague. “I slew only five thousand, the other forty-five thousand were killed through fear.”
(08:26:05) (HostLory) That is rather scary isn't it?
(08:26:17) (merri) sure is!
(08:26:36) (diane) fear is a killer, no doubt
(08:27:00) (HostLory) Closer to our own times is the case of the preacher in North Carolina who allowed himself to be bitten by a rattlesnake, which is ordinarily fatal unless immediately treated. He recovered. He would have no physician. He said (according to The New York Times): “Not for a moment have I lost my faith.
(08:27:55) (HostLory) . I had faith in the Lord that He would take care of me”. And this preacher’s sublime faith drew from the eminent scientist Dr. Ditmars, according to the credible press reports, the astounding statement: “I do not advise preachers or any one else to follow the example this mountain man has set, but I will say that I respect this particular
(08:28:35) (HostLory) preacher’s faith. I believe his faith and his general health will pull him through. FAITH AND THE STATE OF MIND, I believe, has a good deal to do with a man’s physical condition, and this man’s religion has buoyed him up mentally.”
(08:29:30) (HostLory) Fear must be conquered before you can reasonably expect to attain real success in anything, and the conquest of fear may be one of the very best things you can ask first from the Universal Mind. All doubts MUST be eliminated, and you can start
(08:30:04) (HostLory) to accomplish this by forming a mental picture of yourself doing courageously and positively just the thing you are most fearful of. It will be a self-discipline that will stand you in good stead for the rest of your lifetime
(08:30:52) (HostLory) Many failures in this world, where the individual is apparently gifted with every working tool that destiny can furnish him, arise from this deep, inner fearfulness, fear of criticism, fear of ridicule, fear of competition, fear of superior power, education, place, financial status. All these produce an inferiority complex that breaks down many a useful man or woman.
(08:32:00) (HostLory) There is an old scriptural saying that “No man liveth unto himself”. That this is true will be seen on a moment’s reflection. When you impress your thought-form upon the Universal Mind, you must remember that because the Universal Mind is universal it operates through ALL human individual minds. Therefore, your thought-form is going to make a definite impression upon others
(08:32:49) (HostLory) More than this, the fact that your thought-form is going to be impressed upon other individual minds, and that they are going to react to it according to their capacities for reception, shows us that we do not live unto ourselves alone, but impress ourselves most potently upon others for good or ill. It behooves us to make sure
(08:33:38) (HostLory) that it is for good and NOT for ill. This impression is made upon others through their subjective minds, and will manifest according to the measure by which their subjective minds can react upon their objective mentalism. It shows the underlying unity that is the basic principle of the real concept of human brotherhood.
(08:34:48) (HostLory) So it is emphasized all through the subject of mental science that you must make your thought-forms constructive. Note well ~~ not that such are the only kind that will ever work. But that constructive thought-forms are the only kind that will SURELY WORK to your ultimate advantage every time. And that is the only kind you are interested in.
(08:35:27) (HostLory) Do we by chance need any further PROOF that these principles are TRUE? The testimony of many of our greatest souls agrees with us.
(08:36:17) (HostLory) Let us turn to the Great Book, where we find: “All things whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.” (Matt.21:22) The only stipulation is that the seeker must BELIEVE that he shall receive what he seeks.
(08:36:53) (HostLory) “Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do.” Note ~~ “in my name’ ~~ in other words, constructively. And again, “If you shall ask anything in my name, I will do it.” (John 14:13,14,)
(08:37:26) (HostLory) Is it not notable that we are told to ASK not once but MANY TIME throughout the Scriptures? The admonition or privilege is not an obscure text, but one that is reiterated throughout the Christian teaching.
(08:38:06) (HostLory) Prior to Christianity, Buddha emphasized the same principles. He said: “Good thoughts will produce good actions, and bad thoughts will produce bad actions. Hatred does not cease by hatred at any time; hatred cases by love; this is an old rule.”
(08:38:41) (Andrew) Hatred kills the hater!
(08:38:56) (HostLory) Here is the direct substantiation of the teaching that worthy thought-forms tend to constructive actions and results. Also that revengeful thought-forms work only a continuation of the wrong mental attitude. The thought-form that does not embody love of one’s fellow beings has no right to externalization.
(08:39:46) (HostLory) The knowledge of the wide difference in the application of the objective mind as applying to outer things and the subjective as applying to the inner is shown by Lao Tze, the Chinese philosopher.
(08:40:17) (HostLory) Said he: “The Sage attends to the inner and not to the outer.” In other words, as we say, he puts aside the objective and holds to the subjective when really important things are to be undertaken.
(08:41:07) (HostLory) As we might expect from his mathematical mode of expression, Pythagoras gives the law we have explained in the line from his famous Golden Verses: ‘FOR A MOST RIGID LAW BINDS POWER TO NECESSITY.”
(08:41:55) (HostLory) Or, as we would put it, the whole Power of Universal Mind is at the disposal of Man’s Necessity. There must therefore be a direct way in which it can be invoked, also by which it can react. Thought-forms are the way.
(08:42:38) (HostLory) It is useless for anyone to undertake the practice of developing and impressing thought-forms merely from the standpoint of experiment, or to ?see if the thing will work”. He must enter upon such an important undertaking only after he has satisfied himself completely that the law is logical, natural, practical and excellent. Only a supreme confidence in one’s relationship to the Universal Mind
(08:43:27) (HostLory) will beget results. Neither is the Universal Source of all Supply amenable to the “gimme” kind of prayers wherein the one who so prays is under the delusion that it is far more blessed to receive than to give
(08:44:05) (HostLory) All requests made upon the Universal should be formulated from the standpoint of becoming an instrument through which the Universal can work in greater freedom of expression to reach the greatest number for good.
(08:47:16) (BlackWolf) IIf the power to do something is not there, quoting Pythagoras, does that mean that it is not the Universe's will for that event to occur?
(08:48:24) (HostLory) I don't think so, Black Wolf. From earlier text it stated that a thought form can be for ill as well as good and once it is presented, the Universal Mind acts upon it.
(08:48:35) (Blu) I don't see that stateminet in Lory's qoute BW, did you get that somewhere else?
(08:49:19) (Blu) LAW BINDS POWER TO NECESSITY.
(08:49:47) (BlackWolf) A most rigid law binds power to necesity, perhaps I extrapolate to far?
(08:50:04) (Blu) Ipower is associated with need
(08:50:34) (HostLory) That is one reason thought-forms should be carefully considered with a good not only for oneself, but others as well.
(08:50:42) (Blu) if the need is there so is the power
(08:50:53) (Roz) makes God a little impotent doesnt it?
(08:51:24) (Blu) NECESSITY is the Mother of invention
(08:51:24) (Andrew) hey, the end dont justify the means !
(08:51:32) (Blu) I don't see that either Roz
(08:51:33) (HostLory) Not to my way of thinking, Roz. We have free will and God does not interfere.
(08:51:36) (Bill) Roz God has all ready set the laws in place He has no need to interfear is how that works
(08:52:27) (Blu) I think if our definition of God is impotent, then perhaps that is what makes God impotent
(08:52:54) (HostLory) But we all KNOW God is not impotent, don't we?
(08:53:06) (Blu) yes
(08:53:28) (ron) i think there was an accidentally mispelled word
(08:53:31) (BlackWolf) Is prayer the universe's Viagra? :o)
(08:53:41) (HostLory) Which word, ron?
(08:54:01) (ron) "r" in impotent
(08:54:19) (HostLory) Roz, was the word misspelled?
(08:54:19) (mark) lol
(08:54:37) (diane) lol, but change the "e" to "a"
(08:54:45) (Roz) not at all
(08:54:45) (mark) oops
(08:55:36) (HostLory) Not sure of your meaning, BlackWolf? :-)
(08:55:45) (diane) I don't get which part it is that makes God seem impotent, Roz
(08:56:28) (BlackWolf) Never mind to serious a subject at present :o)
(08:56:31) (mark) as in not potent ?
(08:58:19) (Bill) Universal laws have been set in place by God so that we are given exactly what we need at any given time according to our choices are for our growth whether we like the results or not
(08:59:43) (HostLory) Yes, Bill. Those Universal Laws that you so aptly taught us are a part of this entire philosophy.
(09:00:20) (diane) I think the message is "Love conquers all"
(09:01:08) (HostLory) That certainly is part of it diane.
(09:01:44) (Roz) From earlier text it stated that a thought form can be for ill as well as good and once it is presented, the Universal Mind acts upon it.
(09:01:58) (Roz) this was what my comment was about
(09:02:04) (Blu) I see Roz
(09:02:20) (Blu) Yes Cayce said we can create monsters or Angels
(09:02:25) (diane) ok, Roz. I get it
(09:03:00) (Bill) yes Roz that will either give us some karma to deal with or grace the chice is always are's according to our choices high or low
(09:03:23) (HostLory) Simply stated, Cayce often said, "Thoughts are things" and yes Roz, that is where free will comes in. God does not interfere with our free will.
(09:03:33) (Roz) I don t beleive it is that simple
(09:03:46) (Blu) How so Roz?
(09:04:11) (mark) keep it simple
(09:04:22) (Blu) LOL, right Mark!
(09:04:39) (Bill) sure doesn't seem simple to me to give us each as individuials exactly what we need at any given time :o)
(09:04:42) (Roz) difference of opinion
(09:05:25) (HostLory) It surely boggles the mind, that is for sure.
(09:05:28) (Blu) Must be cause we don't have the Mind of God quite yet bill!
(09:05:46) (Blu) WE think in 3d
(09:06:33) (Bill) Learn the lesson well of the spiritual truth: Criticize not unless ye wish to be criticized. For, with what measure ye mete it is measured to thee again. It may not be in the same way, but ye cannot even think bad of another without it affecting thee in a manner of a destructive nature. Think well of others, and if ye cannot speak well of them don't speak! but don't think it either!
(09:06:42) (Bill) reading 260-2
(09:06:54) (Roz) I choose to go at it a different way
(09:07:11) (Bill) For, with what measure ye mete it is measured to thee again. It may not be in the same way, but ye cannot even think bad of another without it affecting thee in a manner of a destructive nature
(09:07:32) (Roz) I allow the imptetus to come from the source as to my actions not verse vicey
(09:07:34) (Bill) this works both ways for high or low choices
(09:07:42) (HostLory) A personal example: "When working for a living, and parking was a problem in San Francisco, on my way I asked for a parking space close by the addresses to which I was going. I cannot recall my prayer (or thought-form) ever being unanswered.
(09:08:03) (HostLory) That is pretty simple.
(09:08:38) (Blu) I see Roz, how ever we are Co-Creators....that is what we are and what we do, it's our responcibility and our destiny.
(09:08:39) (Bill) Universals Laws are from the Sourse
(09:09:26) (BlackWolf) Often, we may not understand how our thought-forms affect others.
(09:09:52) (BlackWolf) They may have beneficial effects on some and detrimental effects on others.
(09:10:10) (diane) If we put negative thought forms into the univ. mind, they will come back and bite us in the tail
(09:10:17) (HostLory) This material is presenting a conscious choice of needed things. And it warns of including others and their needs when it is requested.
(09:10:17) (Blu) yes, that is why we are caustioned to allow them to be serving God
(09:11:27) (Blu) All prayer is a thought form, daydreams are a thought form
(09:11:46) (Blu) LOL, we are thought forms!
(09:11:46) (mark) prayer is like a thought form ?
(09:11:50) (Blu) sure
(09:11:59) (diane) What happens, then, to the person whose parking space gets taken by Lory?
(09:12:06) (HostLory) It is now open chat and you may continue this or any other discussion. Thank you all for coming. If anyone would like me send copies of any part of this text, please just ask.
(09:12:24) (Blu) LOL, what made it thiers Diane?
(09:12:28) (ron) another parking space has already been provided
(09:12:35) (diane) For every action there is a reaction, negative or positive
(09:13:03) (Bill) i persaonally never ask for anything just give thanks because i know i'll always be given everything i need and more
(09:13:13) (Blu) That is why we are saying to have positive thoughts
(09:13:14) (mark) thank you for Study Lory
(09:13:20) (Lory) That is my philosophy too, Bill
(09:13:27) (Blu) Yes, Thank you Lory!
(09:13:31) (BlackWolf) They needed the exercise, diane, work off those fried seafood marina dinners. :o)
(09:13:37) (diane) LOL
(09:13:44) (Blu) LOL BW!
(09:13:44) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you very much, Grandmother! Great study, as usual!
(09:13:46) (patricia) Yes, Thanks Lory, Good Stuff!
(09:14:01) (diane) really good chat, Lory! Thanks
(09:14:22) (Lory) You are all welcome. It is my pleasure to present such a thought provoking topic.
(09:14:27) (ron) very good lory
(09:14:31) (Wanda) Thank you Lory.
(09:16:05) (Lory) Next week probably conclude this presentation, although I have prepared it in two more parts.
(09:16:35) (WalksInSpirit) This has been an awesome series, Grandmother!
(09:16:46) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you for sharing it with us!
(09:17:25) (Blu) We are going to post all of this from the begining so if anyone missed it , eventually it will all be on Red path
(09:17:41) (Lory) Am working on another one, WalksInSpirit, which will probably start after the Win a Book Contest the first Wednesday in September. Can you believe it will soon be September?????
(09:18:27) (WalksInSpirit) Cool, Grandmother! What will the next one be? Can you give us a "spoiler?"
(09:18:52) (Lory) That is terrific, Blu. I thoroughly enjoyed this material.
(09:19:21) (Lory) I have a couple choices, Walks, so will keep you all guessing....lol
(09:19:37) (WalksInSpirit) Aw! LOL
(09:19:37) (Blu) Me too Lory, it's stuff I really knew, but it was presented in a wonderful way. I am very encouraged by it.
(09:19:46) (merri) this has been a great study Lory, especially how it ties in with Bill's Universal Laws
(09:19:59) (WalksInSpirit) Well, whatever it is, I know it will be awesome, Grandmother!
(09:21:33) (Bill) we may each get a different pic. from these lessons but the main thing is we'll each get what we need at this time to grow :o)
(09:21:41) (Lory) Thanks for your confidence, Walks. What will happen, will happen. It could even be a bummer.......
(09:22:21) (Blu) aw, now Lory
(09:22:24) (merri) very much doubt that, Lory
(09:23:14) (BlackWolf) I pray that it does :o)
(09:23:37) (Bill) it will BW :o)
(09:23:43) (Lory) Strong positive thought-forms BlackWolf.
(09:23:59) (Bill) jobs just around the corner if thats what you need :o)