Post by WalksInSpirit on Jan 31, 2006 22:43:23 GMT -5
Health Chat: 01-31-06
"Amino Acids and Proteins"
(09:09:34) (Host-Nick) Is everyone healthy? :o)
(09:09:50) (Rosie) other than a strange toothache, I'm doin' good :o)
(09:10:20) (Host-Nick) Hast thou poured oil of cloves of the offending body part, Rosie? :o)
(09:10:28) (WalksInSpirit) Oh man! Toothaches are the worst!
(09:10:31) (Rosie) nope...don't have any
(09:10:44) (Rosie) WE, one is reminded of that rather quickly!
(09:10:51) (Bill) dig in Reds tool box for a pair of pliers
(09:11:00) (Host-Nick) It is one of the most powerful antiseptics around and does not chelate the calcium out of the tooth
(09:11:25) (Rosie) I'd look REEL GUD then
(09:11:33) (Rosie) ,bill
(09:11:53) (Bill) beats a tooth ache
(09:12:34) (Rosie) long as I don't mind lookin' like Ma McGillicutty
(09:12:36) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Rosie
(09:12:55) (WalksInSpirit) We'll call you "Snag"
(09:13:00) (WalksInSpirit) ;-)
(09:13:33) (Cheryl) More like Nanny Mcphee, Roz, lol
(09:13:53) (Rosie) It's one of the front teeth
(09:13:58) (Rosie) well, off to the side
(09:14:30) (Rosie) anyone here ever use Sensodyne toothpaste?
(09:14:35) (Rosie) (Nick, just shut me up when you're ready to begin)
(09:14:38) (Cheryl) yah, I use it.
(09:14:43) (Bill) no but i've been told by others it works
(09:14:57) (Bill) is it just a sensitive tooth ?
(09:15:11) (Rosie) dental hygeinist recommended it but I wonder if it's not irritating things
(09:15:19) (Rosie) they're ALL sensitive
(09:15:20) (Host-Nick) Don't use those whitener toothpastes, they have strong oxidizers and bleaching agents which will take the calcium out of your teeth.
(09:15:44) (Bill) no wonder you have pain those hygenists are tooth killers i'd never let one near me
(09:15:56) (Rosie) you got any teeth, bill? ;o)
(09:16:06) (Host-Nick) Do head and neck exercises yoga style and gargle with very weak glycothymoline.
(09:16:08) (Bill) 3 Rosie :o)
(09:16:19) (Rosie) got no glyco, either...looks like salt water
(09:16:45) (Rosie) you used the pliers a lot, didn't ya?
(09:16:50) (WalksInSpirit) Rosie, I have never been able to use stuff like Oragel on my teeth. It blisters my gums, for one thing. And does seem to make things worse. And the Sensodyne toothpaste doesn't clean as well as other toothpastes.
(09:16:56) (Bill) you might say that
(09:17:03) (Host-Nick) Very weak salt. :o)
(09:17:28) (Cheryl) I've used the ipsab Cayce recommended, that's some pretty good stuf.
(09:18:26) (Rosie) I may lay off the Sensodyne for a couple days to see what happens
(09:19:09) (Rosie) real interesting stuff! heehee!
(09:21:06) (Host-Nick) I was searching for information on foods to balance one's amino acid intake. But every source has different information.
(09:21:11) (WalksInSpirit) Ipsab - minus the alcohol properties - was used by the Cherokees for hundres of years for tooth trouble.
(09:21:33) (Rosie) what's left after the alcohol?
(09:21:51) (Cheryl) ty, Walks
(09:25:11) (WalksInSpirit) Rosie, it has wild alumn in it as well. That is the main ingredient.
(09:25:25) (WalksInSpirit) Here's what the Cherokee's called it:
(09:25:33) (WalksInSpirit) ANDA'NKALAGI'SKI = "it removes things from the gums"--Geranium maculatum--Wild Alum, Cranesbill: Used in decoction with Yânû Unihye stï (Vitis cordifolia) to wash the mouths of children in thrush; also used alone for the same purpose by blowing the chewed fiber into the mouth.
(09:26:02) (WalksInSpirit) Dispensatory: "One of our best indigenous astringents. * * * Diarrhea, chronic dysentery, cholora infantum in the latter stages, and the various hemorrhages are the forms of disease in which it is most commonly used." Also valuable as "an application to indolent ulcers, an injection in gleet and leucorrhea, a gargle in relaxation of the uvula and aphthous ulcerations of the throat." The other plant sometimes used with it is not mentioned.
(09:26:12) (Rosie) ahhh...alum
(09:26:49) (WalksInSpirit) That is from a book of Cherokee Remedies written by James Mooney, published in 1891.
(09:26:51) (Rosie) whoa! shoulda stopped before the uvula thing!
(09:26:59) (Rosie) LOL
(09:27:02) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(09:27:05) (WalksInSpirit) Sorry!
(09:27:12) (Rosie) I'm just kidding
(09:27:33) (Rosie) sounds like something else
(09:27:48) (Rosie) spelled similarly in anagram
(09:27:59) (Rosie) anyway....
(09:28:13) (Cheryl) The Cherokkes knew something about oral hygeine 200 yrs. ago! LOL
(09:29:39) (Cheryl) Before written history there was the Oral Hiistory passed down from generation to generation thru it's shamans & Medicine Folk
(09:30:33) (Rosie) the Cherokees knew a lot about a lot of things
(09:32:28) (Host-Nick) The reason to eat meats, fish, milk and eggs is because these foods have all the proteins that the body needs and the body need not expend massive efforts in synthesizing needed amino acids.
(09:32:53) (Host-Nick) This topic raises a whole bunch of disputes and arguments.
(09:33:44) (Bill) only with vegitarians Nick :o)
(09:33:52) (sparrowhawk) you mean like food politics? Like politcally correct eating?
(09:34:00) (Cheryl) I saw a gross but common event today at work; A Peregrinne eating a pigeon. Yuck!
(09:34:20) (Host-Nick) In many biochemistry books for example, there are 10 essential amino acids, arginine and phenylalanine being added to the list which we went over the past few chats.
(09:34:38) (Bill) poor Falcan hope it was an organic pegion
(09:34:53) (WalksInSpirit) Nature's "Fast food," Cheryl.
(09:35:06) (Cheryl) lol. Bill, it sure wasn't vegan. ;o0
(09:35:53) (Rosie) lol WE
(09:36:08) (Bill) are there eigth the body can't synthisize Nick?
(09:36:15) (Cheryl) somewhere in da middle, Rosie lol In the 'Burbs
(09:36:22) (Host-Nick) Legumes, i.e. beans and seeds are said to be the best source of amino acids in the vegetarian world.
(09:37:01) (Rosie) that splains it...out here we depend on the vultures and hawks to take care of the road kill, etc.
(09:37:29) (sparrowhawk) Do not diss the hawks, says sparrowhawk.
(09:37:39) (Rosie) not dissing
(09:37:45) (Bill) Rosie what about Deryl &his other brother Deryl
(09:37:48) (Cheryl) In North eatern ILL, we got's dem Coyotes, they'll eat just 'bout anything.
(09:38:19) (Rosie) it's how they get their amino acids :o) How's that for a segue??? ;o)
(09:38:19) (Cris) We have them in SC too keep your cats inside
(09:38:25) (Host-Nick) Not to any degree, Bill. The 10 amino acids, (lets keep to what the biochemists say) are Arginine, Histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionne, phenylalanne, threonine, tryptophan and avline.
(09:38:38) (WalksInSpirit) Possums will eat absolutely anything, too. Another of Nature's cleanup crew!
(09:38:49) (sparrowhawk) tryptopan I've heard of.
(09:38:50) (Host-Nick) valine
(09:38:54) (Bill) ic ty Nick
(09:39:08) (Rosie) we have coyotes, too, but you don't see them on the road during the day like you do the vultures and hawks
(09:40:10) (Host-Nick) Tryptophan is the essential amino acid which the FDA screwed up a test on and have banned it from the US market. And talking to those lobbyists is like asking Al Capone for donations for a church.
(09:40:24) (Cheryl) lol, Nick
(09:40:58) (sparrowhawk) Let me clarify something? What happens to the body short on amino acids?
(09:41:49) (Host-Nick) The other amino acids can be synthesized, from the 10 essential ones. However, even these should be consumed, since amino acid manufacturing takes a lot of steps and enzyme formation to cary out the steps of the eactions.
(09:42:51) (Host-Nick) One wastes away, no energy, ones neurotransmitters are depleted, loss of health and one cannot rebuild tissue as needed.
(09:43:06) (sparrowhawk) I see.
(09:43:11) (Cheryl) Atropathy? Nick?
(09:43:55) (Host-Nick) Could be, Cheryl
(09:45:21) (Host-Nick) An amino acid is a simple molecule, containing anywhere from 5 (glycine) to 15 (tryptophan) non hydrogen atoms.
(09:45:51) (Host-Nick) Amino acids are built into proteins brick by brick like a Leggo set.
(09:47:33) (Host-Nick) This is accomplished by attaching one amino (nitrogen) of one amino acid to a carboxyl acid group of another. The process removes a water molecule. This is known as a peptide bond.
(09:49:03) (Host-Nick) The peptides are chains of amino acids built up until about ten amino acids in sequence. Larger than ten amino acid chains are called proteins.
(09:49:56) (Host-Nick) Of in nutrition mention is made of pepetide synthesis, or peptide digestion formation.... it is the process of attaching amino aicds to small chains which is being referred to.
(09:52:39) (Host-Nick) The liver does most of the synthesizing. The means are often a production line building of fragments of certain amino acids balanced by their chemistry so that they are not too acidic of too non polar. Then these are basic building blocks of pepetides are themselves attached together to form the enormous proteins that wander through our bodies.
(09:59:51) (Host-Nick) OK, we now have the biological value of a protein. How efficiently can a protein be turned into body tissue?Eggs come out close to 100%
(10:00:28) (Cheryl) HOw 'bout cheese & soy? Nick?
(10:00:49) (Bill) Cheryl you'll starve on soy :o)
(10:01:15) (Cris) I had cheesecake today because the cheese in it was a health food :o)
(10:01:25) (crystal) lol
(10:01:25) (patricia) lol
(10:01:27) (Rosie) LOL...
(10:01:40) (WalksInSpirit) LOL I LOVE cheesecake!
(10:01:48) (Bill) me too
(10:03:28) (Host-Nick) Cow's milk at 94% fish 76%, meat 74%, brown rice, 86, peanuts 55, oats 65, whole wheat 65, corn 72, soybeans, 75, sesmae seeds 62 and peas at 64% are examples of how easily the proteins of a food are absorbed by the body.
(10:05:22) (Bill) i wonder how thats determined Nick?
(10:05:34) (Host-Nick) Next question is How much protein do we need?
(10:06:35) (Host-Nick) The Biological value of a protein is determined by its nitrogen retention divided by the total nitrogen absorbed.
(10:06:57) (Bill) ty
(10:07:58) (Host-Nick) So a food like peanuts, which has valuable amino acids seldom found in the vegetable ingdom can cause problems because 45% of its amino acids have to be excreted through the idneys mostly and this causes a strain on overworked kidneys.
(10:08:53) (Cheryl) So you're saying go easy on the paenut butter, eh? Nick?
(10:09:22) (Host-Nick) So strain on the kidneys is one of the things we must watch out for when planning our nutrition.
(10:09:30) (Host-Nick) Yes
(10:10:23) (Host-Nick) Peanuts should be eaten with grains and vegetables and succulents due to compatible enzymes and time of digestion considerations.
(10:11:15) (Rosie) so if I eat a peanut butter sandwich, that's preferable than sthingying it outta the jar?
(10:12:42) (Sophia) i have given up sugar and uped my protein ... i feel much better
(10:12:44) (Host-Nick) I think so Rosie, freshly roasted peanuts might be best. (I have not tried that though) Note well, peanuts are very suceptible to aflatoxin a virulent poison given off when a particular mold starts growing on them.
(10:13:18) (Sophia) and i have not eaten meat in 3 1/2 months
(10:13:22) (patricia) eeeeew moldy peanuts!
(10:13:24) (Bill) yes if you store them do it in the freezer
(10:13:24) (WalksInSpirit) Fuzzy peanuts...
(10:13:27) (Sophia) sugar ... 1 month
(10:13:38) (Sophia) i stored my nuts in the fridge
(10:13:46) (Rosie) *sings* ate a peanut...ate a peanut....ate a peanut just now
(10:13:52) (Sophia) lol
(10:14:11) (Rosie) LOL...funny how we all know THAT one! heehee!
(10:14:13) (Cheryl) Which can lead to turbulent flatulence Or in Bills' case... The little Poot that Tooted. hehe
(10:14:23) (WalksInSpirit) It was rotten, it was rotten, it was rotten just now...
(10:14:54) (Rosie) I'll bet kids nowadays don't know that song
(10:15:05) (Rosie) whippersnappers! *swings cane*
(10:15:10) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(10:15:14) (Cheryl) lol
(10:15:17) (Host-Nick) Balancing amino acid intake and output allows for a state of protein balance and a condition of health.
(10:15:17) (Rosie) oh wait, that's janie's line
(10:16:05) (WalksInSpirit) Me and my best friend Medlock used to sit on the front porch in the swing and sing that and make noises with our armpits. Ahhhh... those were the days!
(10:16:07) (Rosie) nick's the play by play guy and I'm the color...just think of Madden ;o)
(10:17:39) (Host-Nick) During illness or starvation the hormones cortisol and thyroid hormone. The body falls into a state of protein imbalance.
(10:18:22) (Sophia) Nick ... question ....
(10:18:41) (Host-Nick) Yes :o)
(10:21:34) (Sophia) did u get that question Nick?
(10:22:25) (Host-Nick) Now, eating the right amino acids is not the only thing needed to keep up a proper protein balance. One needs the correct hormonal conditions to build tissue. Perhaps this is why people with sleep disorders need to get treated.
(10:23:00) (Qrious) circadic rythms.
(10:23:01) (Sophia) did u get my health question Nick?
(10:23:05) (Rosie) hormonal conditions???
(10:23:59) (Qrious) affects hypothalomus, hence hormones.. I would guess.
(10:24:05) (ernie) what who where why?
(10:24:12) (Sophia) guess not
(10:24:13) (Host-Nick) Sorry, I did not,, too much scrolling could you repeat it Sophia?
(10:24:44) (Sophia) how best should one prepare for surgery ... with supplements , proteins etc, liver
(10:25:32) (Host-Nick) Depends on what the surgery is, how old the patient, any other medical conditions. A very complex subject. :o)
(10:26:57) (Host-Nick) THe WHO recommends 0.5 grams of protein in the form of amino acids per kilo = 2.2 pounds of weight each day.
(10:27:43) (Rosie) Roger Daltry is into this kind of thing?
(10:28:17) (Rosie) ROFL
(10:28:18) (Ral) Who?
(10:28:20) (Ral) lol
(10:28:23) (Rosie) hahaha
(10:28:25) (Host-Nick) LOL World Health Organization, not sure if he would make other than an ad to quit smoking. :o)
(10:28:51) (Ral) i have drz orderz to smoke nick
(10:28:52) (Rosie) Roger Daltry is the lead singer for The Who....
(10:29:29) (Host-Nick) Make sure you smoke organic :o)
(10:29:36) (Noah) lol
(10:29:45) (Ral) american spirit yes
(10:29:52) (Ral) roll em up
(10:30:05) (Ral) dont smoke as much cayce said
(10:30:17) (Ral) he chain smoked btw
(10:30:54) (Host-Nick) Whe should onre exceed 0.75g of protein: youth, pregnancy, recovering from illness otr surgery, athletic training and hormonal imbalances.
(10:30:55) (Ral) cayce drank as well
(10:30:59) (Ral) at times
(10:31:02) (Ral) true
(10:31:32) (Ral) and lost his temper Bad
(10:31:33) (Ral) 2
(10:31:37) (Ral) yup
(10:31:39) (Sophia) really Ral
(10:31:44) (Ral) yup
(10:32:10) (Host-Nick) What causes a lack of proteins: imbalanced intake of amino acid building blocks, inadequate energy intake, illnesses, being bedridden, kidney disorders.
(10:32:16) (Leon) Bet he excaped all that in trnce
(10:32:30) (Ral) maybe
(10:32:34) (Host-Nick) Ok has anyone any questions
(10:32:58) (Anonymous) are you hear to learn or just tear up Cayce?
(10:33:07) (Rosie) can't imagine myself weighing out 0,75 grams of cheese ;o)
(10:33:08) (Ral) wots the subject nick?
(10:33:30) (Host-Nick) Multiply it by your weight, Rosie :o)
(10:34:22) (Host-Nick) OK it is now Open Chat, I have to think about a quiz since people have been inattentive :o)
(10:36:37) (Nick) Many disorders may be linked to a nutritional lack, but this may be due to the inability to manufacture an enzyme neede to absorb a particular amino acid.
(10:37:13) (WalksInSpirit) Nick, thanks for chat! I know I cut up a little (sorry! Rosie made me do it... LOL) But I did find the absorbption rates of the various sources of protiens interesting!
(10:37:18) (Ral) ty nick
(10:37:44) (Cheryl) ty. Nick for another fine chat. :-)
(10:42:53) (Nick) It is sleepytime here, blessings and peace to everyone
(10:43:02) (WalksInSpirit) Night Blessings Nick!
(10:43:03) (Qrious) later Nick
(10:43:06) (WalksInSpirit) Thanks for chat!
(10:43:10) (ernie) sleep well nick]
(10:43:11) (patricia) nite ernie and Nick
(10:43:15) (Leon) ty Nick
(10:43:16) (Rosie) peacenik...thanks!
(09:09:50) (Rosie) other than a strange toothache, I'm doin' good :o)
(09:10:20) (Host-Nick) Hast thou poured oil of cloves of the offending body part, Rosie? :o)
(09:10:28) (WalksInSpirit) Oh man! Toothaches are the worst!
(09:10:31) (Rosie) nope...don't have any
(09:10:44) (Rosie) WE, one is reminded of that rather quickly!
(09:10:51) (Bill) dig in Reds tool box for a pair of pliers
(09:11:00) (Host-Nick) It is one of the most powerful antiseptics around and does not chelate the calcium out of the tooth
(09:11:25) (Rosie) I'd look REEL GUD then
(09:11:33) (Rosie) ,bill
(09:11:53) (Bill) beats a tooth ache
(09:12:34) (Rosie) long as I don't mind lookin' like Ma McGillicutty
(09:12:36) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Rosie
(09:12:55) (WalksInSpirit) We'll call you "Snag"
(09:13:00) (WalksInSpirit) ;-)
(09:13:33) (Cheryl) More like Nanny Mcphee, Roz, lol
(09:13:53) (Rosie) It's one of the front teeth
(09:13:58) (Rosie) well, off to the side
(09:14:30) (Rosie) anyone here ever use Sensodyne toothpaste?
(09:14:35) (Rosie) (Nick, just shut me up when you're ready to begin)
(09:14:38) (Cheryl) yah, I use it.
(09:14:43) (Bill) no but i've been told by others it works
(09:14:57) (Bill) is it just a sensitive tooth ?
(09:15:11) (Rosie) dental hygeinist recommended it but I wonder if it's not irritating things
(09:15:19) (Rosie) they're ALL sensitive
(09:15:20) (Host-Nick) Don't use those whitener toothpastes, they have strong oxidizers and bleaching agents which will take the calcium out of your teeth.
(09:15:44) (Bill) no wonder you have pain those hygenists are tooth killers i'd never let one near me
(09:15:56) (Rosie) you got any teeth, bill? ;o)
(09:16:06) (Host-Nick) Do head and neck exercises yoga style and gargle with very weak glycothymoline.
(09:16:08) (Bill) 3 Rosie :o)
(09:16:19) (Rosie) got no glyco, either...looks like salt water
(09:16:45) (Rosie) you used the pliers a lot, didn't ya?
(09:16:50) (WalksInSpirit) Rosie, I have never been able to use stuff like Oragel on my teeth. It blisters my gums, for one thing. And does seem to make things worse. And the Sensodyne toothpaste doesn't clean as well as other toothpastes.
(09:16:56) (Bill) you might say that
(09:17:03) (Host-Nick) Very weak salt. :o)
(09:17:28) (Cheryl) I've used the ipsab Cayce recommended, that's some pretty good stuf.
(09:18:26) (Rosie) I may lay off the Sensodyne for a couple days to see what happens
(09:19:09) (Rosie) real interesting stuff! heehee!
(09:21:06) (Host-Nick) I was searching for information on foods to balance one's amino acid intake. But every source has different information.
(09:21:11) (WalksInSpirit) Ipsab - minus the alcohol properties - was used by the Cherokees for hundres of years for tooth trouble.
(09:21:33) (Rosie) what's left after the alcohol?
(09:21:51) (Cheryl) ty, Walks
(09:25:11) (WalksInSpirit) Rosie, it has wild alumn in it as well. That is the main ingredient.
(09:25:25) (WalksInSpirit) Here's what the Cherokee's called it:
(09:25:33) (WalksInSpirit) ANDA'NKALAGI'SKI = "it removes things from the gums"--Geranium maculatum--Wild Alum, Cranesbill: Used in decoction with Yânû Unihye stï (Vitis cordifolia) to wash the mouths of children in thrush; also used alone for the same purpose by blowing the chewed fiber into the mouth.
(09:26:02) (WalksInSpirit) Dispensatory: "One of our best indigenous astringents. * * * Diarrhea, chronic dysentery, cholora infantum in the latter stages, and the various hemorrhages are the forms of disease in which it is most commonly used." Also valuable as "an application to indolent ulcers, an injection in gleet and leucorrhea, a gargle in relaxation of the uvula and aphthous ulcerations of the throat." The other plant sometimes used with it is not mentioned.
(09:26:12) (Rosie) ahhh...alum
(09:26:49) (WalksInSpirit) That is from a book of Cherokee Remedies written by James Mooney, published in 1891.
(09:26:51) (Rosie) whoa! shoulda stopped before the uvula thing!
(09:26:59) (Rosie) LOL
(09:27:02) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(09:27:05) (WalksInSpirit) Sorry!
(09:27:12) (Rosie) I'm just kidding
(09:27:33) (Rosie) sounds like something else
(09:27:48) (Rosie) spelled similarly in anagram
(09:27:59) (Rosie) anyway....
(09:28:13) (Cheryl) The Cherokkes knew something about oral hygeine 200 yrs. ago! LOL
(09:29:39) (Cheryl) Before written history there was the Oral Hiistory passed down from generation to generation thru it's shamans & Medicine Folk
(09:30:33) (Rosie) the Cherokees knew a lot about a lot of things
(09:32:28) (Host-Nick) The reason to eat meats, fish, milk and eggs is because these foods have all the proteins that the body needs and the body need not expend massive efforts in synthesizing needed amino acids.
(09:32:53) (Host-Nick) This topic raises a whole bunch of disputes and arguments.
(09:33:44) (Bill) only with vegitarians Nick :o)
(09:33:52) (sparrowhawk) you mean like food politics? Like politcally correct eating?
(09:34:00) (Cheryl) I saw a gross but common event today at work; A Peregrinne eating a pigeon. Yuck!
(09:34:20) (Host-Nick) In many biochemistry books for example, there are 10 essential amino acids, arginine and phenylalanine being added to the list which we went over the past few chats.
(09:34:38) (Bill) poor Falcan hope it was an organic pegion
(09:34:53) (WalksInSpirit) Nature's "Fast food," Cheryl.
(09:35:06) (Cheryl) lol. Bill, it sure wasn't vegan. ;o0
(09:35:53) (Rosie) lol WE
(09:36:08) (Bill) are there eigth the body can't synthisize Nick?
(09:36:15) (Cheryl) somewhere in da middle, Rosie lol In the 'Burbs
(09:36:22) (Host-Nick) Legumes, i.e. beans and seeds are said to be the best source of amino acids in the vegetarian world.
(09:37:01) (Rosie) that splains it...out here we depend on the vultures and hawks to take care of the road kill, etc.
(09:37:29) (sparrowhawk) Do not diss the hawks, says sparrowhawk.
(09:37:39) (Rosie) not dissing
(09:37:45) (Bill) Rosie what about Deryl &his other brother Deryl
(09:37:48) (Cheryl) In North eatern ILL, we got's dem Coyotes, they'll eat just 'bout anything.
(09:38:19) (Rosie) it's how they get their amino acids :o) How's that for a segue??? ;o)
(09:38:19) (Cris) We have them in SC too keep your cats inside
(09:38:25) (Host-Nick) Not to any degree, Bill. The 10 amino acids, (lets keep to what the biochemists say) are Arginine, Histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionne, phenylalanne, threonine, tryptophan and avline.
(09:38:38) (WalksInSpirit) Possums will eat absolutely anything, too. Another of Nature's cleanup crew!
(09:38:49) (sparrowhawk) tryptopan I've heard of.
(09:38:50) (Host-Nick) valine
(09:38:54) (Bill) ic ty Nick
(09:39:08) (Rosie) we have coyotes, too, but you don't see them on the road during the day like you do the vultures and hawks
(09:40:10) (Host-Nick) Tryptophan is the essential amino acid which the FDA screwed up a test on and have banned it from the US market. And talking to those lobbyists is like asking Al Capone for donations for a church.
(09:40:24) (Cheryl) lol, Nick
(09:40:58) (sparrowhawk) Let me clarify something? What happens to the body short on amino acids?
(09:41:49) (Host-Nick) The other amino acids can be synthesized, from the 10 essential ones. However, even these should be consumed, since amino acid manufacturing takes a lot of steps and enzyme formation to cary out the steps of the eactions.
(09:42:51) (Host-Nick) One wastes away, no energy, ones neurotransmitters are depleted, loss of health and one cannot rebuild tissue as needed.
(09:43:06) (sparrowhawk) I see.
(09:43:11) (Cheryl) Atropathy? Nick?
(09:43:55) (Host-Nick) Could be, Cheryl
(09:45:21) (Host-Nick) An amino acid is a simple molecule, containing anywhere from 5 (glycine) to 15 (tryptophan) non hydrogen atoms.
(09:45:51) (Host-Nick) Amino acids are built into proteins brick by brick like a Leggo set.
(09:47:33) (Host-Nick) This is accomplished by attaching one amino (nitrogen) of one amino acid to a carboxyl acid group of another. The process removes a water molecule. This is known as a peptide bond.
(09:49:03) (Host-Nick) The peptides are chains of amino acids built up until about ten amino acids in sequence. Larger than ten amino acid chains are called proteins.
(09:49:56) (Host-Nick) Of in nutrition mention is made of pepetide synthesis, or peptide digestion formation.... it is the process of attaching amino aicds to small chains which is being referred to.
(09:52:39) (Host-Nick) The liver does most of the synthesizing. The means are often a production line building of fragments of certain amino acids balanced by their chemistry so that they are not too acidic of too non polar. Then these are basic building blocks of pepetides are themselves attached together to form the enormous proteins that wander through our bodies.
(09:59:51) (Host-Nick) OK, we now have the biological value of a protein. How efficiently can a protein be turned into body tissue?Eggs come out close to 100%
(10:00:28) (Cheryl) HOw 'bout cheese & soy? Nick?
(10:00:49) (Bill) Cheryl you'll starve on soy :o)
(10:01:15) (Cris) I had cheesecake today because the cheese in it was a health food :o)
(10:01:25) (crystal) lol
(10:01:25) (patricia) lol
(10:01:27) (Rosie) LOL...
(10:01:40) (WalksInSpirit) LOL I LOVE cheesecake!
(10:01:48) (Bill) me too
(10:03:28) (Host-Nick) Cow's milk at 94% fish 76%, meat 74%, brown rice, 86, peanuts 55, oats 65, whole wheat 65, corn 72, soybeans, 75, sesmae seeds 62 and peas at 64% are examples of how easily the proteins of a food are absorbed by the body.
(10:05:22) (Bill) i wonder how thats determined Nick?
(10:05:34) (Host-Nick) Next question is How much protein do we need?
(10:06:35) (Host-Nick) The Biological value of a protein is determined by its nitrogen retention divided by the total nitrogen absorbed.
(10:06:57) (Bill) ty
(10:07:58) (Host-Nick) So a food like peanuts, which has valuable amino acids seldom found in the vegetable ingdom can cause problems because 45% of its amino acids have to be excreted through the idneys mostly and this causes a strain on overworked kidneys.
(10:08:53) (Cheryl) So you're saying go easy on the paenut butter, eh? Nick?
(10:09:22) (Host-Nick) So strain on the kidneys is one of the things we must watch out for when planning our nutrition.
(10:09:30) (Host-Nick) Yes
(10:10:23) (Host-Nick) Peanuts should be eaten with grains and vegetables and succulents due to compatible enzymes and time of digestion considerations.
(10:11:15) (Rosie) so if I eat a peanut butter sandwich, that's preferable than sthingying it outta the jar?
(10:12:42) (Sophia) i have given up sugar and uped my protein ... i feel much better
(10:12:44) (Host-Nick) I think so Rosie, freshly roasted peanuts might be best. (I have not tried that though) Note well, peanuts are very suceptible to aflatoxin a virulent poison given off when a particular mold starts growing on them.
(10:13:18) (Sophia) and i have not eaten meat in 3 1/2 months
(10:13:22) (patricia) eeeeew moldy peanuts!
(10:13:24) (Bill) yes if you store them do it in the freezer
(10:13:24) (WalksInSpirit) Fuzzy peanuts...
(10:13:27) (Sophia) sugar ... 1 month
(10:13:38) (Sophia) i stored my nuts in the fridge
(10:13:46) (Rosie) *sings* ate a peanut...ate a peanut....ate a peanut just now
(10:13:52) (Sophia) lol
(10:14:11) (Rosie) LOL...funny how we all know THAT one! heehee!
(10:14:13) (Cheryl) Which can lead to turbulent flatulence Or in Bills' case... The little Poot that Tooted. hehe
(10:14:23) (WalksInSpirit) It was rotten, it was rotten, it was rotten just now...
(10:14:54) (Rosie) I'll bet kids nowadays don't know that song
(10:15:05) (Rosie) whippersnappers! *swings cane*
(10:15:10) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(10:15:14) (Cheryl) lol
(10:15:17) (Host-Nick) Balancing amino acid intake and output allows for a state of protein balance and a condition of health.
(10:15:17) (Rosie) oh wait, that's janie's line
(10:16:05) (WalksInSpirit) Me and my best friend Medlock used to sit on the front porch in the swing and sing that and make noises with our armpits. Ahhhh... those were the days!
(10:16:07) (Rosie) nick's the play by play guy and I'm the color...just think of Madden ;o)
(10:17:39) (Host-Nick) During illness or starvation the hormones cortisol and thyroid hormone. The body falls into a state of protein imbalance.
(10:18:22) (Sophia) Nick ... question ....
(10:18:41) (Host-Nick) Yes :o)
(10:21:34) (Sophia) did u get that question Nick?
(10:22:25) (Host-Nick) Now, eating the right amino acids is not the only thing needed to keep up a proper protein balance. One needs the correct hormonal conditions to build tissue. Perhaps this is why people with sleep disorders need to get treated.
(10:23:00) (Qrious) circadic rythms.
(10:23:01) (Sophia) did u get my health question Nick?
(10:23:05) (Rosie) hormonal conditions???
(10:23:59) (Qrious) affects hypothalomus, hence hormones.. I would guess.
(10:24:05) (ernie) what who where why?
(10:24:12) (Sophia) guess not
(10:24:13) (Host-Nick) Sorry, I did not,, too much scrolling could you repeat it Sophia?
(10:24:44) (Sophia) how best should one prepare for surgery ... with supplements , proteins etc, liver
(10:25:32) (Host-Nick) Depends on what the surgery is, how old the patient, any other medical conditions. A very complex subject. :o)
(10:26:57) (Host-Nick) THe WHO recommends 0.5 grams of protein in the form of amino acids per kilo = 2.2 pounds of weight each day.
(10:27:43) (Rosie) Roger Daltry is into this kind of thing?
(10:28:17) (Rosie) ROFL
(10:28:18) (Ral) Who?
(10:28:20) (Ral) lol
(10:28:23) (Rosie) hahaha
(10:28:25) (Host-Nick) LOL World Health Organization, not sure if he would make other than an ad to quit smoking. :o)
(10:28:51) (Ral) i have drz orderz to smoke nick
(10:28:52) (Rosie) Roger Daltry is the lead singer for The Who....
(10:29:29) (Host-Nick) Make sure you smoke organic :o)
(10:29:36) (Noah) lol
(10:29:45) (Ral) american spirit yes
(10:29:52) (Ral) roll em up
(10:30:05) (Ral) dont smoke as much cayce said
(10:30:17) (Ral) he chain smoked btw
(10:30:54) (Host-Nick) Whe should onre exceed 0.75g of protein: youth, pregnancy, recovering from illness otr surgery, athletic training and hormonal imbalances.
(10:30:55) (Ral) cayce drank as well
(10:30:59) (Ral) at times
(10:31:02) (Ral) true
(10:31:32) (Ral) and lost his temper Bad
(10:31:33) (Ral) 2
(10:31:37) (Ral) yup
(10:31:39) (Sophia) really Ral
(10:31:44) (Ral) yup
(10:32:10) (Host-Nick) What causes a lack of proteins: imbalanced intake of amino acid building blocks, inadequate energy intake, illnesses, being bedridden, kidney disorders.
(10:32:16) (Leon) Bet he excaped all that in trnce
(10:32:30) (Ral) maybe
(10:32:34) (Host-Nick) Ok has anyone any questions
(10:32:58) (Anonymous) are you hear to learn or just tear up Cayce?
(10:33:07) (Rosie) can't imagine myself weighing out 0,75 grams of cheese ;o)
(10:33:08) (Ral) wots the subject nick?
(10:33:30) (Host-Nick) Multiply it by your weight, Rosie :o)
(10:34:22) (Host-Nick) OK it is now Open Chat, I have to think about a quiz since people have been inattentive :o)
(10:36:37) (Nick) Many disorders may be linked to a nutritional lack, but this may be due to the inability to manufacture an enzyme neede to absorb a particular amino acid.
(10:37:13) (WalksInSpirit) Nick, thanks for chat! I know I cut up a little (sorry! Rosie made me do it... LOL) But I did find the absorbption rates of the various sources of protiens interesting!
(10:37:18) (Ral) ty nick
(10:37:44) (Cheryl) ty. Nick for another fine chat. :-)
(10:42:53) (Nick) It is sleepytime here, blessings and peace to everyone
(10:43:02) (WalksInSpirit) Night Blessings Nick!
(10:43:03) (Qrious) later Nick
(10:43:06) (WalksInSpirit) Thanks for chat!
(10:43:10) (ernie) sleep well nick]
(10:43:11) (patricia) nite ernie and Nick
(10:43:15) (Leon) ty Nick
(10:43:16) (Rosie) peacenik...thanks!