THE ROBE: 04-10-2007 Apr 12, 2007 19:44:23 GMT -5
Post by Blu on Apr 12, 2007 19:44:23 GMT -5
THE ROBE, MADE BY MARTHA, WIFE OF NICODEMUS 3175-3
[14:41] <ron> In giving the experiences of the entity in the earth plane as Martha, the sister of Peter’s wife's mother, it would be well that much of the happenings or history of the times be included. As understood by many, there had been long a looking forward to, or for the advent of the promised Messiah into the earth and there had been those various groups through one channel or another who had banded together to study the material which was handed down through the varied groups in that day and period.
[14:44] <ron> Here we find there had been, for the mother of Martha, an experience of coming in touch with Judy who had been the first of women appointed as the had of the Essenes group who had the experience of hearing voices, as well as those which would be called in the present experiences communications with the influences which had been a part of man's experiences of those forces outside of man and communicated in voices, in dreams, in signs and symbols which had become a portion of the experience.
[14:45] <ron> When the children of Martha's mother, Sophia, were in those periods of development these had become a part of what would be called today a play-experience for the entity, Martha.
[14:45] <Blu> the sixth sense at work
[14:46] <ron> For Peter's wife's mother was many years the senior of Martha but the coming of John, and the birth of Jesus, the dispensation of Jesus and John in Egypt, all had an impression or imprint upon the mind of the entity Martha, who builded in her own mind how the announcer of the king should be dressed, as this had been a part of the experiences of the entity in other periods and thus the choice of things in this direction.
[14:47] <Blu> So we are talking about how John is dressed
[14:47] <diane> seems like it, Blu
[14:48] <ron> Then there came those great changes in the life experience of Martha. For one among those of the rulers of the synagogue sought the entity in marriage and through the individuals who made these arrangements the entity was espoused to Nicodemus. Through his activities and personality Martha learned first of what had happened to the peoples in the homes of John the Baptist and of Mary and Joseph and Jesus. Thus, when there were later the experiences of those entering into activities, and then when then when the message was given out that Martha's older sister had been healed from a terrible fever by this man Jesus, this brought about great changes in Nicodemus and Martha, as they had to do with the temple and service of the high priest, Martha began the weaving of the robe that became as a part of the equipment the Master had
[14:50] <ron> Thus the robe was made especially for the Master. In color it was not as the robe of the priest, but woven in the one piece with the hole in the top through which the head was to be placed, and then over the body so that with the cords it was bound about the waist.
[14:50] <ron> This robe Nicodemus presented then to the Master Jesus after the healing of the widow Nain's son, who was a relative of Nicodemus.
[14:50] <ron> In the activities, then, when Nicodemus went to the Master by night and there became those discussions in the home. For Nicodemus and Martha there began the communion as man and wife rather than man and his chattel or his servant.
[14:51] <Raleigh> not the robe given him by the romans di / the red 1 lots were cast for /
[14:51] <Raleigh> that 1 was red
[14:51] <ron> They were more on a basis of equality, not in the same proportions which were established a bit later by some of the rulers from the Roman land but more in keeping with the happenings which had brought about the activities in the Essenes group.
[14:52] <ron> Though Martha was an Essene, Nicodemus never accepted completely the tenets or the teachings of the Essene group.
[14:52] <ron> These were a part of the principles and applications of Martha. The acquaintanceships, the friendships which were established between Mary, Elizabeth and the other Mary, all were parts of the experience and because of the position of Martha throughout those
[14:53] <ron> activities she was considered rather one of the leaders, or one to whom others made appeal to have positions or conditions set in motion so that there was given more concessions to the Holy Women who followed Jesus from place to place when there were those periods of His Palestine ministry.
[14:54] <ron> you see, the women of these special groups were the leaders...but, Paul felt otherwise, and till today women as spiritual leaders was no longer accepted
[14:54] <ron> my comment
[14:54] <ron> and my typos :)
[14:54] <diane> lol
[14:55] <ron> that is why women were mentioned at the crucifixion and resurrection
[14:55] <diane> did Roz send you the email on the last supper" , anyone?
[14:55] <Blu> no
[14:55] <ron> i did the last supper awhile back within this text
[14:55] <diane> alrighty. just wondering
[14:55] <ron> i think i did...but i could be wrong
[14:56] <ron> The only differences which arose were with Martha and Mary in the household of Lazarus, Martha and Mary. Because of conditions there from which Mary had returned, from the houses which were a portion of her activity in various cities, questions as to morality arose.
[14:56] <diane> I think ... it was in her email I read of the cloak made by nicodemus
[14:57] <ron> And yet after there were the healing's, or it was discovered how there were even changes then and there, we find there was a greater working together with the activities of Mary and Martha, Lazarus and Mary the mother of Jesus, Elijah and any other, including John, Mark's mother. These were parts of the experiences of the entity.
[14:57] <ron> The entity stood, as indicated by the accomplishments of the robe from Nicodemus as one particularly honored even by the Master.
[14:57] <ron> During the periods of activity, during the missions after the crucifixion and resurrection of the Master, the entity Martha gathered with those in the upper room building for the promises of the coming of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. This, too, became a part of the activities.
[14:58] <ron> For the entity later was among those who aided Stephen and Philip, as well as others of the various lands. For it was with these that the entity first became acquainted with Luke and Lucius, who later became the heads of various organizations in other portions.
[14:58] <ron> These acquaintances were then rather as counsel from those to whom Luke, Lucius, Mark, as the younger of the disciples (not Apostles, but younger of the disciples), went for counsel.
[14:59] <ron> For the entity was one acquainted with the law. The entity Martha taught the law to the young ones, the children who sought knowledge. The entity had its own family, two sons and one daughter.
[14:59] <ron> These became ministers in the church in Antioch, aiding the peoples who worked with Barnabas, and it is mentioned that one, Theopolus, learned from the entity Sylvanus, and those who labored in the church in Jerusalem with John, James, Peter and the others as a child.
[15:00] <ron> As a child, this one was known as Thaddeus. The daughter was wed to one of the companions of Paul, Silas, who was engaged in a portion of the activities with Paul.
[15:00] <ron> The color of the robe was a pearl gray, as would be called now, with selvage woven around the neck, as well as that upon the edge, as over the shoulder and to the bottom portion of the robe; no belts, no pomegranates,
[15:01] <ron> but those which are woven in such a manner that into the selvage portion of the bottom was woven the Urim and Thummin. These were as balance in which judgments were passed by the priest. But these were woven not placed upon the top of the robe. Neither were there jewels set in the robe.
[15:01] <diane> pomegranates? hmmm
[15:02] <ron> i think is a type of fruit with many seeds
[15:02] <ron> i don't remember the symbolism
[15:02] <Raleigh> the priests also had bells on their robes
[15:02] <Raleigh> long story why
[15:02] <ron> the 'seeds' is the symbol, i think...the many seeds being planted by Jesus
[15:03] <diane> ok... very interesting
[15:03] <ron> representing a 'new beginning'
[15:03] <ron> new birth
[15:03] <ron> With the persecution the entity withdrew more and more because of its associations with those in authority, but its home became more and more a place of refuge and help for all of the young of the church.
[15:04] <ron> The entity lived to be an elderly person, something like seventy-nine years of age in the experience, and was not among those ever beaten or placed in jail though persecuted by only the Romans, feared by those of her own people.
[15:04] <ron> tough old lady, wasn't she
[15:05] <Raleigh> :)
[15:05] <ron> Q.2. What place did I occupy at the crucifixion?
[15:05] <ron> referring to Martha, the maker of the Robe
[15:05] <ron> A.2. As one of those upon the right hand of Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and the other Mary upon the left hand.
[15:06] <ron> then there were the thundering and renting of the veil and the darkening of the sky
[15:06] <ron> my comment again...
[15:06] <ron> SOPHIA, OR JOSIE, A HANDMAID OF MARY, JESUS AND JOSEPH, THROUGHOUT THE CHILDHOOD OF THE MASTER 010-17
[15:06] <Raleigh> its said the darkness was global
[15:07] <ron> In giving the biographical life of the entity Josie, much of those activities might be indicated that brought about those later relationships with Mary, the mother of Jesus.
[15:07] <ron> As had been outlined from here, there were those special groups of individuals who had made some preparation for the expected activities that were to come about during that particular period, especially those of the Essene, who had chosen the twelve maidens to indicate their fitness.
[15:08] <ron> This choice was to be made by those selections indicated by the Spirit, and Josie was the daughter of Shem and Mehpibosheth that was among those.
[15:08] <ron> This entity, Josie, was close to Mary when the selection was indicated by the shadow or the angel on the stair, at that period of consecration in the temple. This was not the temple in Jerusalem but the temple where those who were consecrated worshiped, or a school, as might be termed, for those who might be channels.
[15:09] <ron> that is something
[15:09] <ron> wow...i'm so impressed
[15:09] <Blu> The effort that went into this is really incredible
[15:09] <Raleigh> i love that description of the time of selection on the stairs
[15:09] <Blu> could we do this today?
[15:09] <ron> my heart...
[15:09] <Blu> I think not
[15:09] <Raleigh> hmmm
[15:10] <Blu> we would be called child abusers
[15:10] <ron> This was a part of that group of Essenes who, headed by Judy, made those interpretations of those activities from the Egyptian experience, as the Temple Beautiful, and the service in the Temple of Sacrifice. Hence, it was in this consecrated place where this selection took place.
[15:10] <ron> Then when there was the fulfilling of those periods when Mary was espoused to Joseph and was to give birth to the Saviour, the Messiah, the Prince of Peace, the Way, the Truth, the Light - soon after this birth there was the issuing of the orders first by Judy that there should be someone selected to be with the parents during their period of sojourn in Egypt.
[15:11] <ron> i believe Judy, was the, or one of the Essenian leaders...with decision maker
[15:12] <Blu> yes
[15:12] <ron> with the decision makers
[15:12] <ron> This was owing to the conditions which arose from the visit of the Wise Men and their not returning to Herod to report, when the decrees were issued that there should be the destruction of the children of that age from six months to two years, especially in that region from Bethany to Nazareth.
[15:13] <ron> so, she was the one that told the Wise Men to be cautious about this matter
[15:13] <ron> Thus this entity, Josie, was selected or chosen by those of the Brotherhood - sometimes called White Brotherhood in the present - as the handmaid or companion of Mary, Jesus, and Joseph in their flight into Egypt.
[15:14] <ron> This began on an evening, and the journey through portions of Palestine, from Nazareth to the borders of Egypt, was made only during the night.
[15:14] <ron> Do not understand that there was only Joseph, Mary, Josie and the child. For there were other groups that preceded and followed that there might be the physical protection to that as had been considered by theses groups of peoples as the fulfilling of the Promised One.
[15:15] <ron> wow, all that protection...other groups were involved
[15:15] <Raleigh> all were in on it ron
[15:15] <Raleigh> the innkeeper too
[15:15] <ron> In the journeys to Egypt, little of great significance might be indicated, but the care and attention to the Child and Mother was greatly in the hands of this entity Josie, through that journey.
[15:16] <ron> The period of sojourn in Egypt was in and about or close to what was then Alexandria.
[15:16] <ron> When there were those beginnings of the journey back to the Promised Land, there naturally, from some of the records that had been read by the entity Josie, as well as the parents, the desires to know whether there were those unusual powers indicated in the Child now, that was in every manner normal, developed body, ready for those activities of children of that particular period.
[15:17] <ron> Do not interpret this in light of childhood in thine own land in the present - more in the light of the oriental. For remember Egypt, as well as parts of Galilee, were the customs and activities of those to whom the care of this physical entity was entrusted through that early sojourn in the earth.
[15:18] <ron> The return was made to Capernaum, not Nazareth, not only for political reasons, owing to the death of Herod, but the division that had been made with the kingdom after the death of Herod; and there might be the ministry or teaching that was to be a part of the Brotherhood, supervised in that period by Judy, as among the leaders of the Essenes in that particular period.
[15:19] <ron> what a responsible position she, Judy held...incredible
[15:19] <ron> Hence much of the earlier education, the early activities, were those prompted or directed by that leader in that particular experience, but were administered by, or in the closer associations, by Josie.
[15:19] <Blu> we should do a study on Judy
[15:19] <ron> that really sounds good Blu
[15:19] <miketrueeagle> yepp... another reading
[15:20] <ron> Though from the idea of the Brotherhood the activities of the entity were no longer necessitated, the entity Josie preferred to remain, and did remain until those periods when there was the sending of the administering of the teachings to the young Master, first if Persia and later in India, and then in Egypt again, when there were the completions.
[15:21] <ron> But the entity, Josie, following the return, was active in all educational activities as well as in the care of the body and the attending to those things pertaining to the household duties with every developing child.
[15:21] <ron> And Josie was among those who went with Mary and Joseph when they went to the city, or to Jerusalem, at the time of the age of twelve. It was thought by Joseph and Mary that it was in the care of Josie that He had stayed, when He was missed, in those periods when there was the returning to find Him in the temple.
[15:22] <Blu> LOL
[15:22] <Blu> typical
[15:22] <ron> Josie was with Mary throughout those activities. And is it any wonder that when there were those preparations of the body for burial that Josie was the one who brought the spices, the ointments that were to consecrate the preparations of this body for whom it had cared through those early periods of its experience in the earth?
[15:22] <Raleigh> :)
[15:23] <ron> Through that period Josie never married and was known among the Holy Women throughout the period; coming and persuading the Mother, Mary, when there was the arrest to come to Jerusalem.
[15:23] <ron> The entity passed on through theses periods of riots following the beheading of James, the brother of John.
[15:24] <ron> Q.2. What was the nature of the records studied by Josie in Egypt?
[15:24] <ron> A.2. Those same records from which the men of the East said and gave: "By those records we have seen his star."
[15:24] <ron> These pertained to what you call today astrological forecasts, as well as those records which had been compiled and gathered by all of those of that period pertaining to the coming of the Messiah.
[15:25] <ron> These had been part of the records from those in Carmel, in the early experiences, as of those given by Elijah, who was the forerunner, who was the cousin, who was the Baptist.
[15:25] <ron> All of these had been a part of the records, pertaining not only to the nature of work of the parents, but as to their places of sojourn, and the very characteristics that would indicate these individuals and the character that would be a part of the experience to those coming in contact with the young Child;
[15:26] <ron> as to how the garments worn by the Child would heal children. For the body being perfect radiated that which was health, life itself. Just as today, individuals may radiate, by their spiritual selves, health, life, that vibration which is destruction to disease in any form in bodies. These were the characters and natures of things studied by Josie.
[15:27] <diane> Jesus' clothing heald children. wow
[15:27] <ron> For, is it not quoted oft, "All of these things she kept and pondered them in her heart?" With what"? With the records that Josie as well as herself had seen. These records were destroyed, of course, in a much later period.
[15:27] <Raleigh> alexandria fire
[15:27] <Raleigh> burned up the library
[15:27] <ron> Q.3. Can any more details be given as to the training of the
[15:27] <Blu> yes
[15:28] <ron> A.3. Only those that covered the period from six years to about sixteen, which were in keeping with the tenets of the Brotherhood; as well as that training in the law, which was the Jewish or Mosiac law in that period. This was read, this was interpreted in accordance with those activities defined and outlined for the parents and the companions of the developing body. Remember and keep in mind, He was normal, He developed
[15:28] <ron> Those about Him saw those characteristics that may be anyone's who wholly put the trust in God! And to every parent might it not be said, daily dedicate thy life that thy off-spring may be called of God into service, to the glory of God and to the honor of thy name!