Post by WalksInSpirit on Mar 15, 2007 20:02:06 GMT -5
Life And Times Of Jesus: 03-13-07
[14:37] <ron> LIFE AND TIMES OF JESUS
[14:38] <ron> PREPARATION FOR JESUS DATING FROM THE SCHOOL OF PROPHETS IN ELIJAH'S TIME, THEN CALLED THE ESSENES, WHO WERE STUDENTS OF ASTROLOGY, NUMEROLOGY, PHRENOLOGY AND REINCARNATION 5749
[14:38] <ron> now, by any chance, did i do this one before?
[14:38] <diane> not that I remember, no
[14:38] <ron> ok
[14:38] <Blu> it's new to me
[14:39] <Raleigh> me too /
[14:39] <diane> but i watched a doc. on Essenes...very different from Jesus
[14:39] <ron> In those days there were more and more of the leaders of the people in Carmel - the original place where the school of prophets was established during Elijah's time, Samuel - there were called then Essenes; and those that were students of what ye would call astrology, numerology, phrenology, and those phases of that study of the return of individuals - or reincarnation.
[14:39] <Raleigh> yup
[14:39] <diane> got it
[14:40] <ron> These were the reasons that there had been a proclaiming that a certain period was a cycle; and these had been the studies then of Aristotle, Enos, Mathesa, Judas, and these were in the care of supervision of the school - as you would term it in the present.
[14:40] <ron> These having been persecuted by those leaders, first caused what ye have an interpretation of as the Sadducees, or there is no resurrection, or there is no reincarnation, which is what resurrection meant in those periods.
[14:41] <ron> In the lead of these, with those changes that had been as promptings from the positions of the stars - that stand as it were, in the dividing of the ways between the universal - that is the common vision of the solar system of the Sun, and those from without -
[14:41] <ron> the spheres - or as the common name, the North Star, as its variation made for those cycles that would be incorporeally with those changes that had been determined by some - this began the preparation - for the 300 years, as had been given in this period.
[14:42] <ron> so, i thought i read a long time ago, that the Essenes had 300 years of preparation for the coming of Jesus
[14:43] <Raleigh> k
[14:43] <ron> while, the soul of Jesus, began prepations over 10,000 years ago, as indicated in the passageways of the Great Pyramid...actually, began at the Fall.
[14:44] <diane> Essenes were Messiahnic, but didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus
[14:44] <diane> did you know that?
[14:44] <ron> Those in charge at the time were Mathesa, Enos, Judas.
[14:45] <ron> diane, you should read the book, Edgar Cayce's Story of Jesus
[14:45] <ron> In these signs then was the new cycle, that as was then - as we have in the Astrological - the beginning of the Piscean age, or that position of the Polar Star or North Star as related to the Southern Clouds. These made for the symbols; as would be the sign used, the manner of the sign's approach and the like.
[14:46] <ron> the Solar System is the earth's great time clock
[14:46] <ron> These then were the beginnings and these were those that were made a part of the studies during that period.
[14:47] <ron> Then there were again those soundings - that is, the approach of that which had been handed down and had been the experiences from the sages of old - that an angel was to speak. As this occurred when there was the choosing of the mate that had - as in only the thought of those so close - been immaculately conceived, these brought to the focal point the preparation of
[14:47] <ron> - been immaculately conceived, these brought to the focal point the preparation of the mothers.
[14:48] <ron> Then when there were those periods when there was the dumbness to the priest and he, Zacharias, was slain for his repeating of same in the hearing of those of his own school, these made for those fears that made the necessary preparations for the wedding, the preparations for the birth, the child; or the flight into Egypt.
[14:48] <Raleigh> the selection on the stairs ron?
[14:49] <ron> MATERIALIZATION OF JESUS IN THE FLESH
[14:49] <ron> Much might be given as to how or why and when there were the purposes that brought about the materialization of Jesus in the flesh.
[14:49] <ron> In giving then the history, there were those in the faith of the Father to whom the promises were given that these would be fulfilled as from the beginning of man's record.
[14:50] <ron> Hence there was the continued preparation and dedication of those who might be the channels through which this chosen vessel might enter through choice - into materiality. Thus in Carmel - where there were the priests of this faith - there were the maidens chosen that were dedicated to this purpose, this office, this service.
[14:50] <ron> Among them was Mary, the beloved, the chosen; and she, as had been foretold, was chosen as the channel. thus she was separated and kept in the closer associations with and in the care of charge of this office.
[14:51] <Raleigh> its things as this that the story of jesus book is loaded with di and blu / so good huh?
[14:51] <ron> Then when the days were fulfilled that the prophecy might come that had been given by Isaiah, Malachi, Joel and those of old, she - Mary, espoused to Joseph - a chosen vessel for the office among those of the priests, the sect or group who had separated and dedicated themselves in body, in mind, in spirit for this coming - became with child.
[14:51] <diane> it's terrific stuff, Ral!
[14:52] <ron> Then, as the record given, that is the common knowledge of most, there was born in Bethlehem of Judea that entity, that soul, Jesus.
[14:52] <ron> There was the period of purification according to the law, and then the days in the temple and the blessing by Ann and by the high priest.
[14:53] <ron> And these made for those days of the beginning of the entity called Jesus - who became the Christ, the Master of Masters - in the days when there was the return to Nazareth and the edict that sent them into Egypt that the prophecy was fulfilled: "My son shall be called from Egypt."
[14:53] <ron> There five years were spent, as ye term time - by the mother, Joseph and the child.
[14:53] <ron> Then there was the return to Judea and to Capernaum, where dwelt many of those who were later the closer companions of the Master.
[14:54] <ron> Here, after the period again of presentation at the temple, when there were those questionings among the groups of the leaders, the entity then was sent, first again into Egypt for only a short period, and then into India and then into what is now Persia.
[14:55] <ron> i have a document of Jesus' time in India, as taken from Tibetan monks
[14:55] <Raleigh> hmmm
[14:55] <ron> Hence in all the ways of the teachers the entity was trained.
[14:55] <ron> From Persia he was called to Judea at the death of Joseph, and then into Egypt for the completion of the preparation as a teacher.
[14:56] <ron> He was with John, the messenger, during that portion of the training there in Egypt. Then to Capernaum, Cana, and those periods of the first preparation in the lands of the nativity.
[14:56] <ron> The rest ye have according to Mark, John, Matthew, and Luke; these in their order recorded most of the material experiences of the Master.
[14:56] <ron> Many of the details may be given in the varied fields of the preparation, but these were the experiences.
[14:57] <ron> MARY WITHOUT ORIGINAL SIN FROM CONCEPTION
[14:57] <ron> Q.1. Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception on the womb of Ann correct?
[14:57] <ron> A.1. It should be correct in any case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to. In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth.
[14:58] <ron> or Amilius and Lilith
[14:58] <ron> Adam and Eve
[14:59] <ron> one of these days, i will make a comment, and the very next paragraph that pops up will say the opposite :)
[14:59] <Blu> those are different incarnations, right?
[14:59] <Raleigh> mary was also born immaculatly from ann i recall /
[15:00] <diane> lol ron
[15:00] <ron> Amilius-Lilith, as spirits, she being a projection, i believe
[15:00] <Blu> ok
[15:00] <Raleigh> :)
[15:00] <ron> Adam-Eve, as the material projection
[15:00] <ron> or birth
[15:00] <ron> i believe to be the same process of soul division
[15:00] <diane> right Ral.
[15:00] <ron> yes she was ral
[15:01] <ron> the number 3 is always a symbol of perfection
[15:01] <ron> father mother offspring
[15:01] <ron> father son holy ghost
[15:01] <ron> 3 generations
[15:01] <ron> 30 years, 300 years
[15:02] <Raleigh> 33 years jesus lived /
[15:02] <diane> i'm a 3rd child. lol
[15:02] <ron> for instance, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, perfect soul to become Israel
[15:02] <ron> etc etc etc
[15:02] <ron> yes
[15:02] <Raleigh> sooooo you lil miss perfect di / :)
[15:02] <ron> 30
[15:02] <ron> 33
[15:02] <ron> 300
[15:02] <ron> i'll move on
[15:03] <diane> my parents may disagree, Ral. lol
[15:03] <Raleigh> :)
[15:03] <ron> 3 is also number of Jupiter=Sagittarius....higher learning, religion and philosophy
[15:03] <ron> moving on
[15:03] <ron> and one more thing
[15:03] <Raleigh> mind body soul?
[15:03] <ron> Jupiter/Sagittarius rules the pituitary, the Father center who bestows gifts, brings opportunity/optimism, forgiveness, good fortune, charitableness...Jupiter bringing twice more good the Saturn's sorrow, hardships and disappointments, since Jupiter circuts the zodiac twice in 30 years of Saturn's [Jupiter=12 years, Saturn=30 years to circle the zodiac]
[15:04] <Raleigh> k
[15:04] <ron> and by the way, the pineal/the Son, sits right next to the Father/God...sitting on the right side of God.
[15:04] <ron> Q.2. Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary?
[15:04] <ron> A.2. Only in general, not as specifically as Mary, after Mary was pointed out or chosen. There was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child Mary was without father. It is like many proclaiming today that the Master was Immaculately conceived; they say "impossible" - that it is not in compliance with the natural law.
[15:05] <Raleigh> oh yes ok
[15:05] <ron> It is a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in matter, as man did.
[15:06] <ron> Then, that there has been an encasement, was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken and this began at that particular period. Not the only immaculate conception - this particular period with Ann - and then the Master - as the Son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a Son OF an immaculately conceived daughter.
[15:06] <ron> Q.3. Neither Mary nor Jesus then had a human father?
[15:07] <ron> A.3. Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one soul; so far as the earth is concerned, because she would not be incarnated in the flesh, you see.
[15:07] <Blu> I have to roll, thank you Ron!
[15:07] <ron> this chapter on the emaculate conception
[15:08] <diane> you knew Mary appeared at Fatima and announced to one of the children
[15:08] <diane> that she was the immaculate conception?
[15:08] <ron> i don't remember diane
[15:08] <ron> but is good to know
[15:08] <Raleigh> the small girls say her they say
[15:08] <diane> this is what convinced the Bishop there that Mary really had appeared
[15:09] <ron> EXPLANATION OF THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION AND VIRGIN BIRTH OF JESUS 5749-3
[15:09] <Raleigh> i have a question ron /
[15:09] <diane> 1 boy and 2 girls, Ral. cousins
[15:09] <ron> go ahead ral, all 3 of us can try
[15:09] <Raleigh> she would not be incarnated /
[15:09] <Raleigh> what is that mean?
[15:10] <diane> good question Ral
[15:11] <ron> i think it means that the soul of Mary would not choose to incarnate by normal means,that is, thru the sexual union of her parents...besides, the emmaculate conception is the purification process/preparation for a higher birth, such as Jesus
[15:12] <Raleigh> hmmm / k
[15:12] <Raleigh> oh yes ok / i see it now /
[15:12] <Raleigh> tx
[15:12] <diane> I get it ron! ty
[15:12] <ron> that is only my opinion from a very lowly understanding
[15:13] <Raleigh> no i see that as well /
[15:13] <diane> you hit it ron
[15:13] <ron> ok
[15:13] <ron> Q.1. Explain the virgin birth of Jesus.
[15:13] <ron> A.1. In that there had been the manifestation in the earth of the holy influence necessary for the sustaining of a backsliding world, there was then that choosing of the influence through which there became manifest (in and through those channels that comply with the laws of spiritual forces)
[15:15] <ron> and, now, we are, again, experiencing a backsliding world...and that we have reached another point, an end of another cycle, showing that it is time for the purification of the earth again...but this time, the earth is being readied for the 2nd coming...the mainstream of society always goes astray by the end of a major cycle, thus teachers, prophets, messengers, and messiah's appear, to guide us back...its the God fearing fringe that look on and help each other along this sorrowful earthly path of life
[15:15] <ron> ron's comment above
[15:15] <diane> agree ron
[15:16] <Raleigh> no kidden / lookin round me it is so apparent his coming is near /
[15:16] <ron> and we have fully entered into the King's Chamber, and the mystery of life and death will be given to us
[15:16] <Raleigh> the meaning will be made clear
[15:17] <diane> we've always known it, just forgot. lol
[15:17] <Raleigh> we crossed the chamber floor 58 - 98 btw /
[15:17] <ron> that which brought into being the conception, that made for the living influence of the spirit through the body that became the child Jesus; and through the manifesting of the spirit of the oneness of the Father became a manifestation of the Christ Spirit in material surrounding.
[15:17] <ron> EXPLANATION OF IMMACULATE CONCEPTION 5749-7
[15:17] <ron> Q.1. Please explain the Immaculate Conception?
[15:18] <ron> A.1. As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental begin pushing itself into matter) and as Spirit - as He gave - is neither male or female - they are then both, or one.
[15:18] <Raleigh> isnt it wonderful we have answers to these things /
[15:18] <ron> And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in the material place a reality.
[15:18] <diane> :-)
[15:18] <Raleigh> :)
[15:18] <ron> Then the Immaculate Conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same.
[15:19] <ron> goes to show you, the power of the mind, whether in spirit or in body...but, of course, only those who are spiritually advanced enough can display such powers on earth.
[15:19] <diane> Wow
[15:19] <diane> a psychosematic pregnancy. Wow
[15:19] <ron> Hence the Spirit, the soul of the Master then, brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception.
[15:20] <ron> Q.5. Does the Immaculate Conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Ann, or Jesus to Mary?
[15:20] <ron> A.5. Of Jesus to Mary.
[15:20] <ron> Q.6. Was Mary immaculately conceived?
[15:20] <ron> A.6. Mary was immaculately conceived.
[15:20] <ron> Q.7. How long was the preparation in progress before Mary was chosen?
[15:21] <ron> A.7. Three years.
[15:21] <diane> will be sure not to become too spiritual, don't want any more conceptions. lol
[15:21] <Raleigh> :)
[15:21] <ron> Q.8. In what manner was she chosen?
[15:21] <ron> A.8. As the maidens walked up the steps.
[15:21] <Raleigh> oh check this out di/
[15:21] <ron> Q.9. Was there any appearance of the angel Gabriel in the home?
[15:22] <ron> A.9. In the temple when she was chosen, the home of Elizabeth when she was made aware of the presence by being again in the presence of the messenger or forerunner. Again to Joseph at the time of their union. Again (by Michael) at the time when the edict was given.
[15:22] <diane> This is all in the Bible, did you know?
[15:22] <Raleigh> hmmm
[15:22] <ron> Q. Did Mary and Joseph have any other children?
[15:22] <Raleigh> you are not going to say the selection all bathed in the sun /
[15:22] <diane> Gabriel's word to Mary were "Hail, full of grace"
[15:22] <ron> A. James, Jude, and the daughter Ruth.
[15:23] <ron> Q. Was Mary required to wait ten years before knowing Joseph?
[15:23] <diane> none of the daughter's names appear in the Bible
[15:23] <Raleigh> get the story of jesus book today di / lol
[15:23] <ron> A. Only until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural association come about. Not required - it was a choice of them both because of their own feelings; (that is, the priests) this association began then as normal experiences.
[15:24] <ron> Q. At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James?
[15:24] <ron> A. Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude.
[15:24] <Raleigh> well the description of like mary selected in the temple and like the activities round the birth are so wonderful /
[15:24] <ron> Q. How were the maidens selected and by whom?
[15:25] <diane> This is all interesting, but not scriptural. hmmm
[15:25] <Raleigh> well yeah / but its true i feel /
[15:25] <ron> A. By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann or Anna, gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed that Mary had been immaculately conceived.
[15:25] <diane> that's ok, but be cautious
[15:25] <Raleigh> i know /
[15:26] <diane> my gosh, ann and zacharious were ancient when Mary was conceived
[15:27] <ron> diane, maybe you need to be cautious...i except what is given by Cayce
[15:27] <ron> nothing he says will lead anyone astray
[15:27] <diane> AyeAye Captain Ron
[15:27] <ron> :)
[15:27] <Raleigh> :)
[15:28] <ron> Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel or man.
[15:28] <ron> Q. How old was Mary at the time she was chosen?
[15:28] <Raleigh> i think ron is workin up to that cool description
[15:28] <ron> A. Four. Between 12 and 13 when designated by the angel on the stairs.
[15:29] <ron> Q. Please describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens.
[15:29] <Raleigh> she was 16 and joseph 36
[15:29] <ron> A. Trained as to physical exercise first; trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but were as tests for physical and mental; and this was under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in food values. This was the manner and way in which they were trained, directed and protected.
[15:30] <ron> Q. Were they put on a special diet?
[15:30] <ron> A. No wine, no fermented drink ever given. Special foods, yes. These were kept balanced according to that which had been first set by Aron(?) and Ra Ta.
[15:31] <ron> Q. Were was the wedding of Mary and Joseph performed?
[15:31] <ron> A. In the temple at Carmel.
[15:31] <ron> Q. Where did the couple live during the pregnancy?
[15:31] <ron> A. Mary spent most of the time in the hills of Judea, a portion of the time with Joseph in Nazareth. From there they went to Bethany to be taxed, or to register, as it would be termed in the present.
[15:32] <ron> Q. Who assisted as midwife?
[15:32] <ron> A. This has been touched upon through sources as the daughter of the innkeeper and those about assisted and aided, these have seen the glory, much in their experiences.
[15:32] <Raleigh> the innkeepers daughter
[15:32] <Raleigh> :)
[15:32] <ron> Q. Who were the parents of Joseph?
[15:32] <ron> A. That as recorded by Matthew, as is given; one side recorded by Matthew, the other by Luke - these on various sides but of the house of David, as was Mary, also of the house of David.
[15:33] <ron> Q. Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them by the sect of the families?
[15:33] <ron> A. As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families.
[15:33] <ron> In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties; which in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging.
[15:34] <ron> Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now, and is the closest.
[15:34] <ron> These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces.
[15:35] <ron> now, is that enough for today?...we can continue at a later time
[15:35] <ron> there is a lot more to go
[15:35] <Raleigh> yeah we covered tons huh?
[15:35] <ron> ok
[15:35] <Raleigh> man this is so good /
[15:35] <diane> yes ron. good stopping point
[15:36] <diane> I think EC's background information on the details of what went on behind the scenes is fascinating
[15:36] <Raleigh> i saw some new things ron tx
[15:37] <ron> i know diane, that some of this may be difficult for you...but not all has been revealed in orthodox text...well, at least, my opinion anyhow
[15:37] <ron> and i don't see any of it so far, contradicting the new testament...do you diane?
[15:38] <diane> i think most has. but not the personal details, that would be conjecture, unless you consider Edgar to be gospel on his info
[15:38] <Raleigh> its just like the way hmm/
[15:38] <Raleigh> the description of the nativity is so good di /
[14:38] <ron> PREPARATION FOR JESUS DATING FROM THE SCHOOL OF PROPHETS IN ELIJAH'S TIME, THEN CALLED THE ESSENES, WHO WERE STUDENTS OF ASTROLOGY, NUMEROLOGY, PHRENOLOGY AND REINCARNATION 5749
[14:38] <ron> now, by any chance, did i do this one before?
[14:38] <diane> not that I remember, no
[14:38] <ron> ok
[14:38] <Blu> it's new to me
[14:39] <Raleigh> me too /
[14:39] <diane> but i watched a doc. on Essenes...very different from Jesus
[14:39] <ron> In those days there were more and more of the leaders of the people in Carmel - the original place where the school of prophets was established during Elijah's time, Samuel - there were called then Essenes; and those that were students of what ye would call astrology, numerology, phrenology, and those phases of that study of the return of individuals - or reincarnation.
[14:39] <Raleigh> yup
[14:39] <diane> got it
[14:40] <ron> These were the reasons that there had been a proclaiming that a certain period was a cycle; and these had been the studies then of Aristotle, Enos, Mathesa, Judas, and these were in the care of supervision of the school - as you would term it in the present.
[14:40] <ron> These having been persecuted by those leaders, first caused what ye have an interpretation of as the Sadducees, or there is no resurrection, or there is no reincarnation, which is what resurrection meant in those periods.
[14:41] <ron> In the lead of these, with those changes that had been as promptings from the positions of the stars - that stand as it were, in the dividing of the ways between the universal - that is the common vision of the solar system of the Sun, and those from without -
[14:41] <ron> the spheres - or as the common name, the North Star, as its variation made for those cycles that would be incorporeally with those changes that had been determined by some - this began the preparation - for the 300 years, as had been given in this period.
[14:42] <ron> so, i thought i read a long time ago, that the Essenes had 300 years of preparation for the coming of Jesus
[14:43] <Raleigh> k
[14:43] <ron> while, the soul of Jesus, began prepations over 10,000 years ago, as indicated in the passageways of the Great Pyramid...actually, began at the Fall.
[14:44] <diane> Essenes were Messiahnic, but didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus
[14:44] <diane> did you know that?
[14:44] <ron> Those in charge at the time were Mathesa, Enos, Judas.
[14:45] <ron> diane, you should read the book, Edgar Cayce's Story of Jesus
[14:45] <ron> In these signs then was the new cycle, that as was then - as we have in the Astrological - the beginning of the Piscean age, or that position of the Polar Star or North Star as related to the Southern Clouds. These made for the symbols; as would be the sign used, the manner of the sign's approach and the like.
[14:46] <ron> the Solar System is the earth's great time clock
[14:46] <ron> These then were the beginnings and these were those that were made a part of the studies during that period.
[14:47] <ron> Then there were again those soundings - that is, the approach of that which had been handed down and had been the experiences from the sages of old - that an angel was to speak. As this occurred when there was the choosing of the mate that had - as in only the thought of those so close - been immaculately conceived, these brought to the focal point the preparation of
[14:47] <ron> - been immaculately conceived, these brought to the focal point the preparation of the mothers.
[14:48] <ron> Then when there were those periods when there was the dumbness to the priest and he, Zacharias, was slain for his repeating of same in the hearing of those of his own school, these made for those fears that made the necessary preparations for the wedding, the preparations for the birth, the child; or the flight into Egypt.
[14:48] <Raleigh> the selection on the stairs ron?
[14:49] <ron> MATERIALIZATION OF JESUS IN THE FLESH
[14:49] <ron> Much might be given as to how or why and when there were the purposes that brought about the materialization of Jesus in the flesh.
[14:49] <ron> In giving then the history, there were those in the faith of the Father to whom the promises were given that these would be fulfilled as from the beginning of man's record.
[14:50] <ron> Hence there was the continued preparation and dedication of those who might be the channels through which this chosen vessel might enter through choice - into materiality. Thus in Carmel - where there were the priests of this faith - there were the maidens chosen that were dedicated to this purpose, this office, this service.
[14:50] <ron> Among them was Mary, the beloved, the chosen; and she, as had been foretold, was chosen as the channel. thus she was separated and kept in the closer associations with and in the care of charge of this office.
[14:51] <Raleigh> its things as this that the story of jesus book is loaded with di and blu / so good huh?
[14:51] <ron> Then when the days were fulfilled that the prophecy might come that had been given by Isaiah, Malachi, Joel and those of old, she - Mary, espoused to Joseph - a chosen vessel for the office among those of the priests, the sect or group who had separated and dedicated themselves in body, in mind, in spirit for this coming - became with child.
[14:51] <diane> it's terrific stuff, Ral!
[14:52] <ron> Then, as the record given, that is the common knowledge of most, there was born in Bethlehem of Judea that entity, that soul, Jesus.
[14:52] <ron> There was the period of purification according to the law, and then the days in the temple and the blessing by Ann and by the high priest.
[14:53] <ron> And these made for those days of the beginning of the entity called Jesus - who became the Christ, the Master of Masters - in the days when there was the return to Nazareth and the edict that sent them into Egypt that the prophecy was fulfilled: "My son shall be called from Egypt."
[14:53] <ron> There five years were spent, as ye term time - by the mother, Joseph and the child.
[14:53] <ron> Then there was the return to Judea and to Capernaum, where dwelt many of those who were later the closer companions of the Master.
[14:54] <ron> Here, after the period again of presentation at the temple, when there were those questionings among the groups of the leaders, the entity then was sent, first again into Egypt for only a short period, and then into India and then into what is now Persia.
[14:55] <ron> i have a document of Jesus' time in India, as taken from Tibetan monks
[14:55] <Raleigh> hmmm
[14:55] <ron> Hence in all the ways of the teachers the entity was trained.
[14:55] <ron> From Persia he was called to Judea at the death of Joseph, and then into Egypt for the completion of the preparation as a teacher.
[14:56] <ron> He was with John, the messenger, during that portion of the training there in Egypt. Then to Capernaum, Cana, and those periods of the first preparation in the lands of the nativity.
[14:56] <ron> The rest ye have according to Mark, John, Matthew, and Luke; these in their order recorded most of the material experiences of the Master.
[14:56] <ron> Many of the details may be given in the varied fields of the preparation, but these were the experiences.
[14:57] <ron> MARY WITHOUT ORIGINAL SIN FROM CONCEPTION
[14:57] <ron> Q.1. Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception on the womb of Ann correct?
[14:57] <ron> A.1. It should be correct in any case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to. In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth.
[14:58] <ron> or Amilius and Lilith
[14:58] <ron> Adam and Eve
[14:59] <ron> one of these days, i will make a comment, and the very next paragraph that pops up will say the opposite :)
[14:59] <Blu> those are different incarnations, right?
[14:59] <Raleigh> mary was also born immaculatly from ann i recall /
[15:00] <diane> lol ron
[15:00] <ron> Amilius-Lilith, as spirits, she being a projection, i believe
[15:00] <Blu> ok
[15:00] <Raleigh> :)
[15:00] <ron> Adam-Eve, as the material projection
[15:00] <ron> or birth
[15:00] <ron> i believe to be the same process of soul division
[15:00] <diane> right Ral.
[15:00] <ron> yes she was ral
[15:01] <ron> the number 3 is always a symbol of perfection
[15:01] <ron> father mother offspring
[15:01] <ron> father son holy ghost
[15:01] <ron> 3 generations
[15:01] <ron> 30 years, 300 years
[15:02] <Raleigh> 33 years jesus lived /
[15:02] <diane> i'm a 3rd child. lol
[15:02] <ron> for instance, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, perfect soul to become Israel
[15:02] <ron> etc etc etc
[15:02] <ron> yes
[15:02] <Raleigh> sooooo you lil miss perfect di / :)
[15:02] <ron> 30
[15:02] <ron> 33
[15:02] <ron> 300
[15:02] <ron> i'll move on
[15:03] <diane> my parents may disagree, Ral. lol
[15:03] <Raleigh> :)
[15:03] <ron> 3 is also number of Jupiter=Sagittarius....higher learning, religion and philosophy
[15:03] <ron> moving on
[15:03] <ron> and one more thing
[15:03] <Raleigh> mind body soul?
[15:03] <ron> Jupiter/Sagittarius rules the pituitary, the Father center who bestows gifts, brings opportunity/optimism, forgiveness, good fortune, charitableness...Jupiter bringing twice more good the Saturn's sorrow, hardships and disappointments, since Jupiter circuts the zodiac twice in 30 years of Saturn's [Jupiter=12 years, Saturn=30 years to circle the zodiac]
[15:04] <Raleigh> k
[15:04] <ron> and by the way, the pineal/the Son, sits right next to the Father/God...sitting on the right side of God.
[15:04] <ron> Q.2. Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary?
[15:04] <ron> A.2. Only in general, not as specifically as Mary, after Mary was pointed out or chosen. There was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child Mary was without father. It is like many proclaiming today that the Master was Immaculately conceived; they say "impossible" - that it is not in compliance with the natural law.
[15:05] <Raleigh> oh yes ok
[15:05] <ron> It is a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in matter, as man did.
[15:06] <ron> Then, that there has been an encasement, was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken and this began at that particular period. Not the only immaculate conception - this particular period with Ann - and then the Master - as the Son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a Son OF an immaculately conceived daughter.
[15:06] <ron> Q.3. Neither Mary nor Jesus then had a human father?
[15:07] <ron> A.3. Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one soul; so far as the earth is concerned, because she would not be incarnated in the flesh, you see.
[15:07] <Blu> I have to roll, thank you Ron!
[15:07] <ron> this chapter on the emaculate conception
[15:08] <diane> you knew Mary appeared at Fatima and announced to one of the children
[15:08] <diane> that she was the immaculate conception?
[15:08] <ron> i don't remember diane
[15:08] <ron> but is good to know
[15:08] <Raleigh> the small girls say her they say
[15:08] <diane> this is what convinced the Bishop there that Mary really had appeared
[15:09] <ron> EXPLANATION OF THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION AND VIRGIN BIRTH OF JESUS 5749-3
[15:09] <Raleigh> i have a question ron /
[15:09] <diane> 1 boy and 2 girls, Ral. cousins
[15:09] <ron> go ahead ral, all 3 of us can try
[15:09] <Raleigh> she would not be incarnated /
[15:09] <Raleigh> what is that mean?
[15:10] <diane> good question Ral
[15:11] <ron> i think it means that the soul of Mary would not choose to incarnate by normal means,that is, thru the sexual union of her parents...besides, the emmaculate conception is the purification process/preparation for a higher birth, such as Jesus
[15:12] <Raleigh> hmmm / k
[15:12] <Raleigh> oh yes ok / i see it now /
[15:12] <Raleigh> tx
[15:12] <diane> I get it ron! ty
[15:12] <ron> that is only my opinion from a very lowly understanding
[15:13] <Raleigh> no i see that as well /
[15:13] <diane> you hit it ron
[15:13] <ron> ok
[15:13] <ron> Q.1. Explain the virgin birth of Jesus.
[15:13] <ron> A.1. In that there had been the manifestation in the earth of the holy influence necessary for the sustaining of a backsliding world, there was then that choosing of the influence through which there became manifest (in and through those channels that comply with the laws of spiritual forces)
[15:15] <ron> and, now, we are, again, experiencing a backsliding world...and that we have reached another point, an end of another cycle, showing that it is time for the purification of the earth again...but this time, the earth is being readied for the 2nd coming...the mainstream of society always goes astray by the end of a major cycle, thus teachers, prophets, messengers, and messiah's appear, to guide us back...its the God fearing fringe that look on and help each other along this sorrowful earthly path of life
[15:15] <ron> ron's comment above
[15:15] <diane> agree ron
[15:16] <Raleigh> no kidden / lookin round me it is so apparent his coming is near /
[15:16] <ron> and we have fully entered into the King's Chamber, and the mystery of life and death will be given to us
[15:16] <Raleigh> the meaning will be made clear
[15:17] <diane> we've always known it, just forgot. lol
[15:17] <Raleigh> we crossed the chamber floor 58 - 98 btw /
[15:17] <ron> that which brought into being the conception, that made for the living influence of the spirit through the body that became the child Jesus; and through the manifesting of the spirit of the oneness of the Father became a manifestation of the Christ Spirit in material surrounding.
[15:17] <ron> EXPLANATION OF IMMACULATE CONCEPTION 5749-7
[15:17] <ron> Q.1. Please explain the Immaculate Conception?
[15:18] <ron> A.1. As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental begin pushing itself into matter) and as Spirit - as He gave - is neither male or female - they are then both, or one.
[15:18] <Raleigh> isnt it wonderful we have answers to these things /
[15:18] <ron> And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in the material place a reality.
[15:18] <diane> :-)
[15:18] <Raleigh> :)
[15:18] <ron> Then the Immaculate Conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same.
[15:19] <ron> goes to show you, the power of the mind, whether in spirit or in body...but, of course, only those who are spiritually advanced enough can display such powers on earth.
[15:19] <diane> Wow
[15:19] <diane> a psychosematic pregnancy. Wow
[15:19] <ron> Hence the Spirit, the soul of the Master then, brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception.
[15:20] <ron> Q.5. Does the Immaculate Conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Ann, or Jesus to Mary?
[15:20] <ron> A.5. Of Jesus to Mary.
[15:20] <ron> Q.6. Was Mary immaculately conceived?
[15:20] <ron> A.6. Mary was immaculately conceived.
[15:20] <ron> Q.7. How long was the preparation in progress before Mary was chosen?
[15:21] <ron> A.7. Three years.
[15:21] <diane> will be sure not to become too spiritual, don't want any more conceptions. lol
[15:21] <Raleigh> :)
[15:21] <ron> Q.8. In what manner was she chosen?
[15:21] <ron> A.8. As the maidens walked up the steps.
[15:21] <Raleigh> oh check this out di/
[15:21] <ron> Q.9. Was there any appearance of the angel Gabriel in the home?
[15:22] <ron> A.9. In the temple when she was chosen, the home of Elizabeth when she was made aware of the presence by being again in the presence of the messenger or forerunner. Again to Joseph at the time of their union. Again (by Michael) at the time when the edict was given.
[15:22] <diane> This is all in the Bible, did you know?
[15:22] <Raleigh> hmmm
[15:22] <ron> Q. Did Mary and Joseph have any other children?
[15:22] <Raleigh> you are not going to say the selection all bathed in the sun /
[15:22] <diane> Gabriel's word to Mary were "Hail, full of grace"
[15:22] <ron> A. James, Jude, and the daughter Ruth.
[15:23] <ron> Q. Was Mary required to wait ten years before knowing Joseph?
[15:23] <diane> none of the daughter's names appear in the Bible
[15:23] <Raleigh> get the story of jesus book today di / lol
[15:23] <ron> A. Only until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural association come about. Not required - it was a choice of them both because of their own feelings; (that is, the priests) this association began then as normal experiences.
[15:24] <ron> Q. At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James?
[15:24] <ron> A. Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude.
[15:24] <Raleigh> well the description of like mary selected in the temple and like the activities round the birth are so wonderful /
[15:24] <ron> Q. How were the maidens selected and by whom?
[15:25] <diane> This is all interesting, but not scriptural. hmmm
[15:25] <Raleigh> well yeah / but its true i feel /
[15:25] <ron> A. By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann or Anna, gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed that Mary had been immaculately conceived.
[15:25] <diane> that's ok, but be cautious
[15:25] <Raleigh> i know /
[15:26] <diane> my gosh, ann and zacharious were ancient when Mary was conceived
[15:27] <ron> diane, maybe you need to be cautious...i except what is given by Cayce
[15:27] <ron> nothing he says will lead anyone astray
[15:27] <diane> AyeAye Captain Ron
[15:27] <ron> :)
[15:27] <Raleigh> :)
[15:28] <ron> Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel or man.
[15:28] <ron> Q. How old was Mary at the time she was chosen?
[15:28] <Raleigh> i think ron is workin up to that cool description
[15:28] <ron> A. Four. Between 12 and 13 when designated by the angel on the stairs.
[15:29] <ron> Q. Please describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens.
[15:29] <Raleigh> she was 16 and joseph 36
[15:29] <ron> A. Trained as to physical exercise first; trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but were as tests for physical and mental; and this was under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in food values. This was the manner and way in which they were trained, directed and protected.
[15:30] <ron> Q. Were they put on a special diet?
[15:30] <ron> A. No wine, no fermented drink ever given. Special foods, yes. These were kept balanced according to that which had been first set by Aron(?) and Ra Ta.
[15:31] <ron> Q. Were was the wedding of Mary and Joseph performed?
[15:31] <ron> A. In the temple at Carmel.
[15:31] <ron> Q. Where did the couple live during the pregnancy?
[15:31] <ron> A. Mary spent most of the time in the hills of Judea, a portion of the time with Joseph in Nazareth. From there they went to Bethany to be taxed, or to register, as it would be termed in the present.
[15:32] <ron> Q. Who assisted as midwife?
[15:32] <ron> A. This has been touched upon through sources as the daughter of the innkeeper and those about assisted and aided, these have seen the glory, much in their experiences.
[15:32] <Raleigh> the innkeepers daughter
[15:32] <Raleigh> :)
[15:32] <ron> Q. Who were the parents of Joseph?
[15:32] <ron> A. That as recorded by Matthew, as is given; one side recorded by Matthew, the other by Luke - these on various sides but of the house of David, as was Mary, also of the house of David.
[15:33] <ron> Q. Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them by the sect of the families?
[15:33] <ron> A. As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families.
[15:33] <ron> In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties; which in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging.
[15:34] <ron> Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now, and is the closest.
[15:34] <ron> These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces.
[15:35] <ron> now, is that enough for today?...we can continue at a later time
[15:35] <ron> there is a lot more to go
[15:35] <Raleigh> yeah we covered tons huh?
[15:35] <ron> ok
[15:35] <Raleigh> man this is so good /
[15:35] <diane> yes ron. good stopping point
[15:36] <diane> I think EC's background information on the details of what went on behind the scenes is fascinating
[15:36] <Raleigh> i saw some new things ron tx
[15:37] <ron> i know diane, that some of this may be difficult for you...but not all has been revealed in orthodox text...well, at least, my opinion anyhow
[15:37] <ron> and i don't see any of it so far, contradicting the new testament...do you diane?
[15:38] <diane> i think most has. but not the personal details, that would be conjecture, unless you consider Edgar to be gospel on his info
[15:38] <Raleigh> its just like the way hmm/
[15:38] <Raleigh> the description of the nativity is so good di /
