Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 16, 2007 15:11:47 GMT -5
Wisdom/Angels: 02-16-07
(02:40:32) (ron) Clothed With The Sun / Part 1
(02:40:49) (ron) The Book Of The Illuminations of Anna Bonus Kingsford [1881]
(02:41:05) (Blu) I like this old stuff
(02:41:30) (ron) i'm looking for yous guys thoughts on it...the little bit i give
(02:41:31) (Blu) this new age old stuff! LOLOL
(02:41:36) (ron) "Illuminations is the Light of Wisdom, whereby man perceiveth heavenly secrets. Which Light is the Spirit of God within the man, showing unto him the things of God" ~Illuminations No. 11.
(02:41:37) (Blu) ok ron
(02:42:03) (ron) No. 1: Concerning the Three Veils Between Man and God
(02:42:30) (ron) A GOLDEN chalice, like those used in Catholic rites, but having three linings, was given to me in my sleep by an Angel. These linings, he told me, signified the three degrees of the heavens,--purity of life, purity of heart, and purity of doctrine.
(02:43:06) (ron) Immediately afterwards there appeared to me a great dome-covered temple, Moslem in style, and on the threshold of it a tall angel clad in white linen, who with an air of command was directing a party of men engaged in destroying and throwing into the street numerous crucifixes, bibles, prayer-books, altar-utensils, and other sacred emblems.
(02:43:46) (ron) As I stood watching, somewhat scandalised at the apparent sacrilege, a voice, at a great height in the air, cried with startling distinctness: "All the idols He shall utterly destroy!" Then the same voice, seeming to ascend still higher, cried to me: "Come hither and see!"
(02:44:19) (ron) Immediately it appeared to me that I was lifted up by my hair and carried above the earth. And suddenly there arose in mid-air the apparition of a man of majestic aspect, in an antique garb, and surrounded by a throng of prostrate worshippers.
(02:44:44) (ron) At first the appearance of this figure was strange to me; but while I looked intently at it, a change came over the face and dress, and I thought I recognised Buddha--the Messiah of India. But scarcely had I convinced myself of this, when a great voice, like a thousand voices shouting in unison, cried to the worshippers:
(02:45:22) (ron) "Stand upright on your feet:--Worship God only!" And again the figure changed, as though a cloud had passed before it, and now it seemed to assume the shape of Jesus. Again I saw the kneeling adorers, and again the mighty voice cried: "Arise! Worship God only!" The sound of this voice was like thunder, and I noted that it had seven echoes.
(02:46:01) (ron) Seven times the cry reverberated, ascending with each utterance as though mounting from sphere to sphere. Then suddenly I fell through the air, as though a hand had been withdrawn from sustaining me:
(02:46:24) (ron) and again touching the earth, I stood within the temple I had seen in the first part of my vision. At its east end was a great altar, from above and behind which came faintly a white and beautiful light, the radiance of which was arrested and obscured by a dark curtain suspended from the dome before the altar.
(02:46:59) (ron) And the body of the temple, which, but for the curtain, would have been fully illumined, was plunged in gloom, broken only by the fitful gleams of a few half-expiring oil-lamps, hanging here and there from the vast cupola. At the right of the altar stood the same tall angel I had before seen on the temple threshold, holding in his hand a smoking censer.
(02:47:32) (ron) Then, observing that he was looking earnestly at me, I said to him: "Tell me, what curtain is this before the light, and why is the temple in darkness?" And he answered, "This veil is not One, but Three; and the Three are Blood, Idolatry, and the Curse of Eve. And to you it is given to withdraw them;
(02:48:09) (ron) be faithful and courageous; the time has come." Now the first curtain was red, and very heavy; and with a great effort I drew it aside, and said: "I have put away the veil of blood from before Thy Face. Shine, O Lord God!" But a voice from behind the folds of the two remaining coverings answered me, "I cannot shine, because of the idols."
(02:48:42) (ron) And lo, before me a curtain of many colours, woven about with all manner of images, crucifixes, madonnas, Old and New Testaments, prayer-books, and other religious symbols, some strange and hideous like the idols of China and Japan, some beautiful like those of the Greeks and Christians.
(02:49:11) (ron) And the weight of the curtain was like lead, for it was thick with gold and silver embroideries. But with both hands I tore it away, and cried, "I have put away the idols from before Thy Face. Shine, O Lord God!" And now the light was clearer and brighter.
(02:49:39) (ron) But yet before me hung a third veil, all of black; and upon it was traced in outline the figure of four lilies on a single stem inverted, their cups opening downwards. And from behind this veil the voice answered me again, "I cannot shine, because of the curse of Eve." Then I put forth all my strength, and with a great will rent away the curtain, crying, "I have put away her curse from before Thee. Shine, O Lord God!"
(02:50:14) (ron) And there was no more a veil, but a landscape, more glorious and perfect than words can paint, a garden of absolute beauty, filled with trees of palm, and olive, and fig, rivers of clear water and lawns of tender green; and distant groves and forests framed about by mountains crowned with snow; and on the brow of their shining peaks a rising sun, whose light it was I had seen behind the veils.
(02:50:49) (ron) And about the sun, in mid-air, hung white misty shapes of great angels, as clouds at morning float above the place of dawn. And beneath, under a mighty tree of cedar, stood a white elephant, bearing in his golden houdah a beautiful woman robed as a queen, and wearing a crown. But while I looked, entranced, and longing to look for ever, the garden, the altar, and the temple were carried up from me into Heaven [lifted up in the spiritual consciousness above the ma
(02:51:27) (ron) Then as I stood gazing upwards, came again the voice, at first high in the air, but falling earthwards as I listened. And behold, before me appeared the white pinnacle of a minaret, and around and beneath it the sky was all gold and red with the glory of the rising sun. And I perceived that now the voice was that of a solitary Muezzin standing on the minaret with uplifted hands and crying:--
(02:52:02) (ron) "Put away Blood from among you! Destroy your Idols! Restore your Queen!"
(02:52:15) (ron) And straightway a voice, like that of an infinite multitude, coming as though from above and around and beneath my feet,--a voice like a wind rising upwards from caverns under the hills to their loftiest far-off heights among the stars,--responded-- "Worship God alone!"
(02:52:38) (ron) No. 2: Concerning Inspiration and Prophesying [1] PART I
(02:52:51) (ron) I HEARD last night in my sleep a voice speaking to me, and saying--
(02:53:14) (ron) now, the whole text is not given this way...
(02:53:30) (ron) 1. You ask the method and nature of Inspiration, and the means whereby God revealeth the Truth.
(02:53:44) (ron) 2. Know that there is no enlightenment from without: the secret of things is revealed from within.
(02:53:58) (ron) 3. From without cometh no Divine Revelation: but the Spirit within beareth witness.
(02:54:11) (ron) 4. Think not I tell you that which you know not: for except you know it, it cannot be given to you.
(02:54:30) (ron) 5. To him that hath it is given, and he hath the more abundantly.
(02:54:51) (ron) 6. None is a prophet save he who knoweth: the instructor of the people is a man of many lives.
(02:55:05) (ron) 7. Inborn knowledge and the perception of things, these are the sources of revelation: the soul of the man instructeth him, having already learned by experience.
(02:55:22) (ron) 8. Intuition is inborn experience; that which the soul knoweth of old and of former years.
(02:55:41) (ron) 9. And Illumination is the Light of Wisdom, whereby a man perceiveth heavenly secrets.
(02:55:55) (ron) 10. Which Light is the Spirit of God within the man, showing unto him the things of God.
(02:56:08) (ron) 11. Do not think that I tell you anything you know not; all cometh from within: the Spirit that informeth is the Spirit of God in the prophet.
(02:56:23) (ron) 12. What, then, you ask, is the Medium; and how are to be regarded the utterances of one speaking in trance?
(02:56:40) (ron) 13. God speaketh through no man in the way you suppose; for the Spirit of the Prophet beholdeth God with open eyes. If he fall into a trance, his eyes are open, and his interior man knoweth what is spoken by him.
(02:57:00) (ron) 14. But when a man speaketh that which he knoweth not, he is obsessed: an impure spirit, or one that is bound, hath entered into him. ["By 'bound' in this connection is meant the soul in prison of the astral, and unable to transcend that level"]
(02:57:21) (ron) 15. There are many such, but their words are as the words of men who know not: these are not prophets nor inspired.
(02:57:37) (ron) 16. God obsesseth no man; God is revealed: and he to whom God is revealed speaketh that which he knoweth.
(02:57:50) (ron) 17. Christ Jesus [Here implying the Christ Jesus within, or the regenerated human nature, in whomsoever occurring.] understandeth God: he knoweth that of which he beareth witness.
(02:58:10) (ron) 18. But they who, being mediums, utter in trance things of which they have no knowledge, and of which their own spirit is uninformed: these are obsessed with a spirit of divination, a strange spirit, not their own.
(02:58:33) (ron) 19. Of such beware, for they speak many lies, and are deceivers, working often for gain or for pleasure sake: and they are a grief and a snare to the faithful.
(02:58:55) (ron) and that is how we can tell the difference!...ron
(02:59:15) (ron) 20. Inspiration may indeed be mediumship, but it is conscious; and the knowledge of the prophet instructeth him.
(02:59:38) (ron) a few more to go
(02:59:42) (ron) 21. Even though he speak in an ecstasy, he uttereth nothing that he knoweth not.
(02:59:54) (ron) 22. Thou who art a prophet [Thus Utterance may be regarded as "an apostrophe to the prophet in general"] hast had many lives: yea, thou hast taught many nations, and hast stood before kings.
(03:00:01) (ron) 23. And God hath instructed thee in the years that are past; and in the former times of the earth.
(03:00:19) (ron) 24. By prayer, by fasting, by meditation, by painful seeking, hast thou attained that thou knowest.
(03:00:34) (ron) 25. There is no knowledge but by labour; there is no intuition but by experience.
(03:00:46) (ron) 26. I have seen thee on the hills of the East: I have followed thy steps in the wilderness: I have seen thee adore at sunrise: I have marked thy night watches in the caves of the mountains.
(03:01:03) (ron) 27. Thou hast attained with patience, O prophet! God hath revealed the truth to thee from within.
(03:01:13) (ron) [Paris, February 7, 1880. This Part and Part 2 are referred to in the Life of Anna Kingsford, vol. i, pp. 330-336]
(03:01:22) (ron) [In an article on "Mysticism," in The Unknown World, 1894, P. 79, Edward Maitland says: --It was to this principle [as subsisting in all men according to the degree of their regeneration] that St Paul referred when, looking beyond the 'Christ who is after the flesh,' he insisted on the Christ formed within' as the agent of salvation," and "the one way of salvation--in opposition to the sacerdotal doctrine of "salvation by Substitution." S. H. H]
(03:01:33) (ron) END for today....what do you think?
(03:01:44) (true_eagle) the soul is a vessel.. come fill the cup ...an share the goodness of the lord
(03:01:47) (Blu) wow ron
(03:01:52) (true_eagle) thers mine
(03:01:55) (Blu) very interesting
(03:02:30) (ron) i kind of like it...always something to learn
(03:02:44) (ron) she writes beautifully
(03:02:44) (Blu) yes, I hope it's not offensive to Diane
(03:02:48) (Blu) what do you think?
(03:03:01) (ron) i introduced it to diane already
(03:03:11) (Blu) what did she say?
(03:03:42) (WalksInSpirit) Awesome, Ron!
(03:03:53) (ron) she liked it...she likes excellent a higher class of writers and writings, is what i think
(03:04:05) (Blu) cool
(03:04:14) (Blu) so there is more of this book?
(03:04:22) (ron) but i wasn't sure what you guys felt, you to mike
(03:04:35) (ron) yes...i have quite a lot
(03:04:49) (true_eagle) well u see wat i typed . that wat came to mind !
(03:04:52) (ron) also, i like Annie Besant writings on mysticism
(03:04:56) (Blu) I think it's interesting Ron
(03:05:07) (ron) right mike...i liked you comment
(03:05:13) (true_eagle) the soul is a vessel.. come fill the cup ...an share the goodness of the lord
(03:05:27) (ron) so, would it be alright to continue with a little bit each week?
(03:05:35) (true_eagle) its wat came
(03:05:48) (ron) very good mike...yes
(03:05:59) (true_eagle) i tell wat is true
(02:40:49) (ron) The Book Of The Illuminations of Anna Bonus Kingsford [1881]
(02:41:05) (Blu) I like this old stuff
(02:41:30) (ron) i'm looking for yous guys thoughts on it...the little bit i give
(02:41:31) (Blu) this new age old stuff! LOLOL
(02:41:36) (ron) "Illuminations is the Light of Wisdom, whereby man perceiveth heavenly secrets. Which Light is the Spirit of God within the man, showing unto him the things of God" ~Illuminations No. 11.
(02:41:37) (Blu) ok ron
(02:42:03) (ron) No. 1: Concerning the Three Veils Between Man and God
(02:42:30) (ron) A GOLDEN chalice, like those used in Catholic rites, but having three linings, was given to me in my sleep by an Angel. These linings, he told me, signified the three degrees of the heavens,--purity of life, purity of heart, and purity of doctrine.
(02:43:06) (ron) Immediately afterwards there appeared to me a great dome-covered temple, Moslem in style, and on the threshold of it a tall angel clad in white linen, who with an air of command was directing a party of men engaged in destroying and throwing into the street numerous crucifixes, bibles, prayer-books, altar-utensils, and other sacred emblems.
(02:43:46) (ron) As I stood watching, somewhat scandalised at the apparent sacrilege, a voice, at a great height in the air, cried with startling distinctness: "All the idols He shall utterly destroy!" Then the same voice, seeming to ascend still higher, cried to me: "Come hither and see!"
(02:44:19) (ron) Immediately it appeared to me that I was lifted up by my hair and carried above the earth. And suddenly there arose in mid-air the apparition of a man of majestic aspect, in an antique garb, and surrounded by a throng of prostrate worshippers.
(02:44:44) (ron) At first the appearance of this figure was strange to me; but while I looked intently at it, a change came over the face and dress, and I thought I recognised Buddha--the Messiah of India. But scarcely had I convinced myself of this, when a great voice, like a thousand voices shouting in unison, cried to the worshippers:
(02:45:22) (ron) "Stand upright on your feet:--Worship God only!" And again the figure changed, as though a cloud had passed before it, and now it seemed to assume the shape of Jesus. Again I saw the kneeling adorers, and again the mighty voice cried: "Arise! Worship God only!" The sound of this voice was like thunder, and I noted that it had seven echoes.
(02:46:01) (ron) Seven times the cry reverberated, ascending with each utterance as though mounting from sphere to sphere. Then suddenly I fell through the air, as though a hand had been withdrawn from sustaining me:
(02:46:24) (ron) and again touching the earth, I stood within the temple I had seen in the first part of my vision. At its east end was a great altar, from above and behind which came faintly a white and beautiful light, the radiance of which was arrested and obscured by a dark curtain suspended from the dome before the altar.
(02:46:59) (ron) And the body of the temple, which, but for the curtain, would have been fully illumined, was plunged in gloom, broken only by the fitful gleams of a few half-expiring oil-lamps, hanging here and there from the vast cupola. At the right of the altar stood the same tall angel I had before seen on the temple threshold, holding in his hand a smoking censer.
(02:47:32) (ron) Then, observing that he was looking earnestly at me, I said to him: "Tell me, what curtain is this before the light, and why is the temple in darkness?" And he answered, "This veil is not One, but Three; and the Three are Blood, Idolatry, and the Curse of Eve. And to you it is given to withdraw them;
(02:48:09) (ron) be faithful and courageous; the time has come." Now the first curtain was red, and very heavy; and with a great effort I drew it aside, and said: "I have put away the veil of blood from before Thy Face. Shine, O Lord God!" But a voice from behind the folds of the two remaining coverings answered me, "I cannot shine, because of the idols."
(02:48:42) (ron) And lo, before me a curtain of many colours, woven about with all manner of images, crucifixes, madonnas, Old and New Testaments, prayer-books, and other religious symbols, some strange and hideous like the idols of China and Japan, some beautiful like those of the Greeks and Christians.
(02:49:11) (ron) And the weight of the curtain was like lead, for it was thick with gold and silver embroideries. But with both hands I tore it away, and cried, "I have put away the idols from before Thy Face. Shine, O Lord God!" And now the light was clearer and brighter.
(02:49:39) (ron) But yet before me hung a third veil, all of black; and upon it was traced in outline the figure of four lilies on a single stem inverted, their cups opening downwards. And from behind this veil the voice answered me again, "I cannot shine, because of the curse of Eve." Then I put forth all my strength, and with a great will rent away the curtain, crying, "I have put away her curse from before Thee. Shine, O Lord God!"
(02:50:14) (ron) And there was no more a veil, but a landscape, more glorious and perfect than words can paint, a garden of absolute beauty, filled with trees of palm, and olive, and fig, rivers of clear water and lawns of tender green; and distant groves and forests framed about by mountains crowned with snow; and on the brow of their shining peaks a rising sun, whose light it was I had seen behind the veils.
(02:50:49) (ron) And about the sun, in mid-air, hung white misty shapes of great angels, as clouds at morning float above the place of dawn. And beneath, under a mighty tree of cedar, stood a white elephant, bearing in his golden houdah a beautiful woman robed as a queen, and wearing a crown. But while I looked, entranced, and longing to look for ever, the garden, the altar, and the temple were carried up from me into Heaven [lifted up in the spiritual consciousness above the ma
(02:51:27) (ron) Then as I stood gazing upwards, came again the voice, at first high in the air, but falling earthwards as I listened. And behold, before me appeared the white pinnacle of a minaret, and around and beneath it the sky was all gold and red with the glory of the rising sun. And I perceived that now the voice was that of a solitary Muezzin standing on the minaret with uplifted hands and crying:--
(02:52:02) (ron) "Put away Blood from among you! Destroy your Idols! Restore your Queen!"
(02:52:15) (ron) And straightway a voice, like that of an infinite multitude, coming as though from above and around and beneath my feet,--a voice like a wind rising upwards from caverns under the hills to their loftiest far-off heights among the stars,--responded-- "Worship God alone!"
(02:52:38) (ron) No. 2: Concerning Inspiration and Prophesying [1] PART I
(02:52:51) (ron) I HEARD last night in my sleep a voice speaking to me, and saying--
(02:53:14) (ron) now, the whole text is not given this way...
(02:53:30) (ron) 1. You ask the method and nature of Inspiration, and the means whereby God revealeth the Truth.
(02:53:44) (ron) 2. Know that there is no enlightenment from without: the secret of things is revealed from within.
(02:53:58) (ron) 3. From without cometh no Divine Revelation: but the Spirit within beareth witness.
(02:54:11) (ron) 4. Think not I tell you that which you know not: for except you know it, it cannot be given to you.
(02:54:30) (ron) 5. To him that hath it is given, and he hath the more abundantly.
(02:54:51) (ron) 6. None is a prophet save he who knoweth: the instructor of the people is a man of many lives.
(02:55:05) (ron) 7. Inborn knowledge and the perception of things, these are the sources of revelation: the soul of the man instructeth him, having already learned by experience.
(02:55:22) (ron) 8. Intuition is inborn experience; that which the soul knoweth of old and of former years.
(02:55:41) (ron) 9. And Illumination is the Light of Wisdom, whereby a man perceiveth heavenly secrets.
(02:55:55) (ron) 10. Which Light is the Spirit of God within the man, showing unto him the things of God.
(02:56:08) (ron) 11. Do not think that I tell you anything you know not; all cometh from within: the Spirit that informeth is the Spirit of God in the prophet.
(02:56:23) (ron) 12. What, then, you ask, is the Medium; and how are to be regarded the utterances of one speaking in trance?
(02:56:40) (ron) 13. God speaketh through no man in the way you suppose; for the Spirit of the Prophet beholdeth God with open eyes. If he fall into a trance, his eyes are open, and his interior man knoweth what is spoken by him.
(02:57:00) (ron) 14. But when a man speaketh that which he knoweth not, he is obsessed: an impure spirit, or one that is bound, hath entered into him. ["By 'bound' in this connection is meant the soul in prison of the astral, and unable to transcend that level"]
(02:57:21) (ron) 15. There are many such, but their words are as the words of men who know not: these are not prophets nor inspired.
(02:57:37) (ron) 16. God obsesseth no man; God is revealed: and he to whom God is revealed speaketh that which he knoweth.
(02:57:50) (ron) 17. Christ Jesus [Here implying the Christ Jesus within, or the regenerated human nature, in whomsoever occurring.] understandeth God: he knoweth that of which he beareth witness.
(02:58:10) (ron) 18. But they who, being mediums, utter in trance things of which they have no knowledge, and of which their own spirit is uninformed: these are obsessed with a spirit of divination, a strange spirit, not their own.
(02:58:33) (ron) 19. Of such beware, for they speak many lies, and are deceivers, working often for gain or for pleasure sake: and they are a grief and a snare to the faithful.
(02:58:55) (ron) and that is how we can tell the difference!...ron
(02:59:15) (ron) 20. Inspiration may indeed be mediumship, but it is conscious; and the knowledge of the prophet instructeth him.
(02:59:38) (ron) a few more to go
(02:59:42) (ron) 21. Even though he speak in an ecstasy, he uttereth nothing that he knoweth not.
(02:59:54) (ron) 22. Thou who art a prophet [Thus Utterance may be regarded as "an apostrophe to the prophet in general"] hast had many lives: yea, thou hast taught many nations, and hast stood before kings.
(03:00:01) (ron) 23. And God hath instructed thee in the years that are past; and in the former times of the earth.
(03:00:19) (ron) 24. By prayer, by fasting, by meditation, by painful seeking, hast thou attained that thou knowest.
(03:00:34) (ron) 25. There is no knowledge but by labour; there is no intuition but by experience.
(03:00:46) (ron) 26. I have seen thee on the hills of the East: I have followed thy steps in the wilderness: I have seen thee adore at sunrise: I have marked thy night watches in the caves of the mountains.
(03:01:03) (ron) 27. Thou hast attained with patience, O prophet! God hath revealed the truth to thee from within.
(03:01:13) (ron) [Paris, February 7, 1880. This Part and Part 2 are referred to in the Life of Anna Kingsford, vol. i, pp. 330-336]
(03:01:22) (ron) [In an article on "Mysticism," in The Unknown World, 1894, P. 79, Edward Maitland says: --It was to this principle [as subsisting in all men according to the degree of their regeneration] that St Paul referred when, looking beyond the 'Christ who is after the flesh,' he insisted on the Christ formed within' as the agent of salvation," and "the one way of salvation--in opposition to the sacerdotal doctrine of "salvation by Substitution." S. H. H]
(03:01:33) (ron) END for today....what do you think?
(03:01:44) (true_eagle) the soul is a vessel.. come fill the cup ...an share the goodness of the lord
(03:01:47) (Blu) wow ron
(03:01:52) (true_eagle) thers mine
(03:01:55) (Blu) very interesting
(03:02:30) (ron) i kind of like it...always something to learn
(03:02:44) (ron) she writes beautifully
(03:02:44) (Blu) yes, I hope it's not offensive to Diane
(03:02:48) (Blu) what do you think?
(03:03:01) (ron) i introduced it to diane already
(03:03:11) (Blu) what did she say?
(03:03:42) (WalksInSpirit) Awesome, Ron!
(03:03:53) (ron) she liked it...she likes excellent a higher class of writers and writings, is what i think
(03:04:05) (Blu) cool
(03:04:14) (Blu) so there is more of this book?
(03:04:22) (ron) but i wasn't sure what you guys felt, you to mike
(03:04:35) (ron) yes...i have quite a lot
(03:04:49) (true_eagle) well u see wat i typed . that wat came to mind !
(03:04:52) (ron) also, i like Annie Besant writings on mysticism
(03:04:56) (Blu) I think it's interesting Ron
(03:05:07) (ron) right mike...i liked you comment
(03:05:13) (true_eagle) the soul is a vessel.. come fill the cup ...an share the goodness of the lord
(03:05:27) (ron) so, would it be alright to continue with a little bit each week?
(03:05:35) (true_eagle) its wat came
(03:05:48) (ron) very good mike...yes
(03:05:59) (true_eagle) i tell wat is true