Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 7, 2006 9:41:07 GMT -5
The Early Church: 10-06-06
ron says: now i was going to do more with the Tarot but i forgot to email out the pictures (cards)...key 0 the Fool and key 1, the Magician...so, instead i'll do something regarding the Early Church
diane says: Early church? How early?
Blu says: I'm with you Ron! lead on
ron says: just after the the resurrection
ron says: now, this text is a series of 3 or 4 text files
ron says: i made a note to send them out...i believe i have the email addresses of those interested in having theose pictures/cards...if anyone is interested and you think i do not have your email address, just drop me a note telling me so
Leon says: ron your information on tarot has prompted me to learn to do tarot readings. I'm in the study phase for now.
Blu says: wow Leon
ron says: good leon
ron says: THE EARLY CHURCH: THE ESTABLISHING OF THE CHURCH AT JERUSALEM
ron says: To the question once asked, "What is the Holy Church?" Cayce replied, "That which makes for the awareness in the heart of the individual.
ron says: "An INDIVIDUAL SOUL becomes aware that it has taken that Head, that Son, that Man, even, to be the intermediator. THAT is the Church; that is what is spoken of as the Holy Church. "What readest thou? 'Upon this I will build my church.' .
one_big_fool says: the rock
ron says: "What church? The Holy Church. Who is the head? That one upon whom the conditions had been set by that question asked. For here ye may find the answer again to many of those questions sought concerning the Spirit, the Church; the Holy Force that manifests by the attuning of the individual, though it may be for a moment.
one_big_fool says: pierre fr. meaning rock
ron says: He asked, 'Whom say men that I am? Then Peter answered, 'Thou are the Christ, the son of the living God! Then, Upon this I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
ron says: . He said to Peter, Flesh and blood...hath not revealed this unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Heaven? Where? Within the hearts, the minds; the place where Truth is made manifest!"
ron says: This explains the reference Cayce sometimes made to "that ye know as the church," or "that now known as the church," when speaking of the organization, the organized activity of the followers of the Christ.
ron says: The real church, he says, is not a body, not an assembly, not an organization. Over and over he reminds. his hearers of these truths: "There is only one Church - even Jesus the Christ!" and "The Church is within self and not in any pope or preacher, or in any building, but within self!"
ron says: "The Church is within self and not in any pope or preacher, or in any building, but within self!"
one_big_fool says: nice quote
ron says: Nevertheless, even m the larger sense, It may be said that the Church began with the activities at Pentecost following the ascension of the Master; for it was at this time that there began the true awareness of the Christ within, with. the pouring out of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles.
ron says: After the death and resurrection of Jesus, Cayce tells us, great changes came in the experience of many of the people of Palestine and those who had been in authority among the various groups of the Jewish leaders.
ron says: "For when there were those reports of his resurrection there were the attempts of the Romans to put aside the questioning of the Jews, but many sought to know. And with the questioning which arose as to the real divinity of Jesus -
ron says: through and by the experience of those who saw and talked with those who knew the facts concerning what had taken place -
Blu says: got to love that man
ron says: the realization and the wonderment of it all dawned upon many of that land; so there was then the humbleness in their activities for the time. And, as the days passed, there were those who were turning more and more to the tenets pertaining to the activities in Jerusalem."
ron says: These activities in Jerusalem spoken of here were undoubtedly those that began with the experience at Pentecost. Before that time, however, there were the important activities of a less public nature.
ron says: "During those periods of activity after the crucifixion and resurrection of the Master, and the various meetings that took place, those gathered in the upper room who believed in, were looking for, the promises of the coming of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit."
ron says: Those closely associated in Bethany included many besides the apostles. After the return of the apostles from Galilee and the ascension of Jesus, Mary, his mother, "became a dweller in the home of John, who joined with those in Bethany, hence the associations of Mary the sister of Martha, and John became the closer after this."
ron says: Mary, the mother of Jesus and the other Mary became bosom friends, and "there was the imbibing of the other Mary and Mary Magdalene of those tenets that were indicated oft by John in the repeating, especially, of the last hours of the Master."
ron says: Cleo, the daughter of Andrew, "was among those who were active following the crucifixion in caring for the upper chamber where the disciples and those first followers gathered. Her activities brought blessings to the many, making that chamber as a home, a church, a meeting place, a hopeful experience for those throughout that period."
ron says: Others who were said by Cayce to have been closely associated with the apostles and present upon the occasion of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit included Mariaerh, who had come to Jerusalem for the Passover and remained with the Holy Women in and about Bethany; Eunice,
ron says: who had come with Mary, Josie and the other Mary at the time of the crucifixion; Martha, the wife of Nicodemus; Ulai, in whose home Mary had lived for a time; and Lucius of Cyrene, a kinsman of Luke, with his sister, Nimmuo.
ron says: Lucius, though mentioned only briefly in the Bible as a teacher and a companion of Paul, was, according to Cayce, an important figure in the early church and active in it from its beginning.
ron says: Lucius and Nimmuo were among four children in a home that had been of the faith of the Samaritan Jews, said Cayce, but tempered with the teachings of the Grecians and Romans, for they were of Grecian and Roman parentage and in the early portion of Lucius's experience of the city of Cyrene, later living in Laodicea.
ron says: The land in which they lived was "under the direct rulership of the Romans, not as in those areas of Palestine where there were the Jewish rulers overseeing, or being superseded by the Jewish religious groups or sects of people. Thus there were those variations of the customs that were a part of those peoples, the influence of both the Grecian and the Roman, according to the tenets of the peoples of the time....
ron says: "That particular portion of Asia of which Lucius and Nimmuo were a part had long been under the supervision of the Roman Empire. There had been the attempts of many of those put in authority from the Roman Empire to give every advantage to those who offered promise of being in sympathy with those rulings,
ron says: or who were in the position to be conducive to making for activities in accord with such rulings. Thus we find that all the family of Lucius and Nimmuo were among those having the greater advantage of the educational facilities of the time."
ron says: Yet the associations and influences were not always of the best, for "much of the lewdness of that period had come from the Grecian and Roman peoples that had become a part of that portion of the land," and the area around Laodicea was peopled with those combinations of Grecians, Romans and Jews that had been expelled from portions of Galilee.
ron says: "As a developing youth and young man Lucius was known rather as a ne'er-do-well, or one that wandered from pillar to post, or became, as would be termed in present day parlance, a soldier of fortune.
diane says: a wild and crazy guy. lol
ron says: "When there were those activities in and about Jerusalem and Galilee of the ministry of the man Jesus, Lucius came into those environs. Being impelled by the experiences with the followers and the great lessons given by the Teacher, he became as one that was a hanger-on, and of the very intent and purpose that this was to be the time when there was to be a rebellion against the Roman legions, the Romans in authority.
Blu says: we know a few of those
ron says: And Lucius looked forward to same, acting in the capacity of not an informant, but rather as one attempting to keep in touch with the edicts of the various natures between the political forces in Rome and the political forces among the Jews.
ron says: "Lucius was disregarded and questioned by those who were of the Jewish faith who were the close followers of the Master, yet was among those that were sent as those who were to be as teachers, or among the seventy.
ron says: "With the arousing, and the demanding that there be more and more of the closer association with the Teacher, Lucius, being of the foreign group, was rejected as one of the apostles, yet was questioned, mostly by John, Peter, Andrew, James, and those who were the closer affiliated or associated with Thomas.
ron says: "With those activities that eventually arose in Palestine, and the ministry in the northernmost portions of the land, during the teachings and travellings of the Master, those very close in the family of Lucius also came under the direction of those teachings.
ron says: Then, with the changes wrought during the periods of the trial, the crucifixion, and then the happenings which came about from the reports spread abroad as to what were the actual conditions existent when the hour of the crucifixion had come, then the third day, and the reports of his rising again, and of his meeting with the disciples at the Sea of Tiberius (or Galilee), and then the ascension upon or horn the holy
ron says: mount these brought to that family wonderment and interest.
ron says: "So, with the repeating of that as, had been the experience of the brother, little wonder that the sister was desirous of knowing more of those happenings, desirous of seeing, experiencing, being in contact with individuals who had actually seen and heard the words of the Master, desirous of meeting those who had been healed by the laying on of hands, by merely the word spoken, desirous of hearing those who had eaten of bread created by the word of that Teacher.
ron says: "Thus, though young in years, being around sixteen years of age, Nimmuo, with the brother, journeyed to the environs in which those things; those experiences had, been an actual, living part of the experience of those many' individuals.
ron says: "Being in the position of not only being countenanced by but friends of those in authority, though there were questionings, yet there was, honor shown these two through there activities in that Journey through the Holy Land, across the Sea of Galilee,
ron says: , down those portions of the Jordan, through Perea, to Bethany, into the city itself, the house of Martha and Mary and Lazarus, the acquaintance of the mother, Mary, and the rest of the family that had been gathered by John, then, as in keeping with that command from the cross.
ron says: "Each of these individuals heard again and again much of that which has been lost by the attempt of individuals to interpret in the varied tongues." There were the stories told of what had happened in Bethany, "how Mary had been cleansed from those activities and experiences little of which until then had even been spoken of in the presence of Nimmuo."
ron says: Also, they heard much of Martha, "the one sedate, calm, never venturing to offer her body, ever, in those activities that had made Mary the byword of so many; also those stories as to how word had been sent to the Master as to the illness of Lazarus, his visits, and the eventual bringing forth, after four days in the tomb."
ron says: They heard of the experiences of Lazarus as he, himself, had given, "as to his experience or consciousness in that period of the inter-between, as to what had happened, as to how there had arisen that. consciousness, that movement within, when that voice had called, 'Lazarus, come forth!'"
ron says: Then came the day of the Pentecost, when there were the mighty gatherings; when Lucius and Nimmuo and Mariaerh and Eunice and those many peoples beheld in awe the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, when the Spirit "descended as in tongues of fire and sat upon that body of the twelve;"
ron says: heard that speech of Peter when he spoke in tongues - "or as he spoke in his own tongue," said Cayce, "it, the message, was heard by those of every nation in their own tongue."
ron says: These experiences "so impressed Lucius that there came a re-dedicating, and the determination within self to become the closer associated with, the closer affiliated with the disciples or apostles."
ron says: "The many of many lands," Cayce continues, "were brought to conviction by the teachings of the apostles on that day, and especially in that memorable one of Peter's." Perhaps the experience of Eunice, into whose life had come so much of disappointment and fear and hate, was typical of these.
ron says: When she "heard her own kinsmen speak in tongues, seeing the great tumult and the activities wrought," said Cayce, there "was builded that determination within the experience and heart of the woman to bring the greater knowledge, the greater awareness of the spirit of truth, as was indeed manifested by him that shed, through the tenets of his disciples and apostles the new light to men:
ron says: that hate and those things that make afraid may be put away, and that positions of power or wealth or fame may be set at naught compared to the peace that came and is the understanding of those who have seen and known and become aware of his presence abiding."
ron says: When there were the first attempts for organized effort on the part of the teachers or. apostles, as is recorded in the book of Acts, all the material belongings of those who joined in this fellowship became as a part of the apostles, and they were "with one accord together."
diane says: yes..socialistic
ron says: The number of these became exceedingly large, for three thousand were baptized on the first day of the apostles teaching, and the number was added to daily. It was necessary to choose some people to act as deacons or ministers to the needs of the great throngs of people, or in the words of Cayce, "the distribution of the needs of those that had set themselves and their only worldly goods to be used by those in authority in the church," for many confusions arose.
ron says: "There were those," said Cayce, "who were entirely of the circumcision; there were those chosen who were of the uncircumcised group, yet. were identified with services in various forms in that which had been adopted by the Samaritan Jews. Some of these facts became problems (that were unnecessary in their particular activity, or for their beliefs) in the teachings of Peter, John, James, who were the chief spokesmen during those periods."
ron says: With Stephen, Philip, and others, according to Cayce, there was chosen a young man named Philas who was at the time only a little past nineteen years of age. Philas "was of that group of people from Seleucia who came to Jerusalem during those days of the Pentecost, when there was an outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles who had been warned to tarry in Jerusalem until that day."
ron says: He was among those who were students of the law, those who were interested in the questionings concerning the interpretations of the Mosaic law by the priests and rabbis of the day, and "the interesting facts and fancies that had come from the eastern lands from which the wise men had come. These, as parts of the teachings, had become adopted by those groups of the Essenes of which John and Joseph had been a part before the entering of the Master, Jesus, into the earth."
ron says: "Philas was of a group not wholly either Jewish or Grecian, but one interested in same, because of the background, genealogically, of the things happening.
ron says: He journeyed to Jerusalem because of the interest aroused by hearsay and the expectance among the peoples, the great throngs. As a student he was aroused to the possibilities and probabilities of the activities to which the individuals might give themselves, or contribute to, or gain something from, as to add to the interest in living."
ron says: He had not been acquainted, directly, until this period, with the individuals who had been associated with the Master as disciples, now apostles, or those who had been very close in the activity.
ron says: On the journey to Jerusalem, however, Philas became closely associated with Stephen, who, after the joining of so many to the efforts of the apostles on the day of Pentecost, "became the treasurer of the organization that became a necessity, in that record keepers had to be appointed because of the great amount of contributions of various natures to those peoples."
ron says: With the establishing of the church in Jerusalem, Martha, the wife of Nicodemus, "was among those who aided Stephen and Philip, as well as others of various lands. For it was with these that Martha first became acquainted with Luke and Lucius who later became the heads of various organizations in other portions."
ron says: Stephen was a close friend of Lucius, Luke, "and those of the younger group that became the companions of the teachers." These relationships were in the nature of counsel from Martha, to whom Stephen, Luke, Lucius and Mark, "as the younger of the disciples (not apostles but younger of the disciples) went for counsel." For Martha "was one acquainted with the law," and she taught the law to the young ones, the children who sought knowledge.
ron says: When the persecutions began, Martha "withdrew more and more because of the associations with those in authority, but her home became more and more a place of refuge and help for all of the young of the church."
ron says: this is the end of the first series of 4 files...should i continue?...change to another subject?..or, first take a break?
Blu says: break
diane says: a break is good
tre_eagle_mike says: k
ron says: ok a little break
diane says: Early church? How early?
Blu says: I'm with you Ron! lead on
ron says: just after the the resurrection
ron says: now, this text is a series of 3 or 4 text files
ron says: i made a note to send them out...i believe i have the email addresses of those interested in having theose pictures/cards...if anyone is interested and you think i do not have your email address, just drop me a note telling me so
Leon says: ron your information on tarot has prompted me to learn to do tarot readings. I'm in the study phase for now.
Blu says: wow Leon
ron says: good leon
ron says: THE EARLY CHURCH: THE ESTABLISHING OF THE CHURCH AT JERUSALEM
ron says: To the question once asked, "What is the Holy Church?" Cayce replied, "That which makes for the awareness in the heart of the individual.
ron says: "An INDIVIDUAL SOUL becomes aware that it has taken that Head, that Son, that Man, even, to be the intermediator. THAT is the Church; that is what is spoken of as the Holy Church. "What readest thou? 'Upon this I will build my church.' .
one_big_fool says: the rock
ron says: "What church? The Holy Church. Who is the head? That one upon whom the conditions had been set by that question asked. For here ye may find the answer again to many of those questions sought concerning the Spirit, the Church; the Holy Force that manifests by the attuning of the individual, though it may be for a moment.
one_big_fool says: pierre fr. meaning rock
ron says: He asked, 'Whom say men that I am? Then Peter answered, 'Thou are the Christ, the son of the living God! Then, Upon this I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
ron says: . He said to Peter, Flesh and blood...hath not revealed this unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Heaven? Where? Within the hearts, the minds; the place where Truth is made manifest!"
ron says: This explains the reference Cayce sometimes made to "that ye know as the church," or "that now known as the church," when speaking of the organization, the organized activity of the followers of the Christ.
ron says: The real church, he says, is not a body, not an assembly, not an organization. Over and over he reminds. his hearers of these truths: "There is only one Church - even Jesus the Christ!" and "The Church is within self and not in any pope or preacher, or in any building, but within self!"
ron says: "The Church is within self and not in any pope or preacher, or in any building, but within self!"
one_big_fool says: nice quote
ron says: Nevertheless, even m the larger sense, It may be said that the Church began with the activities at Pentecost following the ascension of the Master; for it was at this time that there began the true awareness of the Christ within, with. the pouring out of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles.
ron says: After the death and resurrection of Jesus, Cayce tells us, great changes came in the experience of many of the people of Palestine and those who had been in authority among the various groups of the Jewish leaders.
ron says: "For when there were those reports of his resurrection there were the attempts of the Romans to put aside the questioning of the Jews, but many sought to know. And with the questioning which arose as to the real divinity of Jesus -
ron says: through and by the experience of those who saw and talked with those who knew the facts concerning what had taken place -
Blu says: got to love that man
ron says: the realization and the wonderment of it all dawned upon many of that land; so there was then the humbleness in their activities for the time. And, as the days passed, there were those who were turning more and more to the tenets pertaining to the activities in Jerusalem."
ron says: These activities in Jerusalem spoken of here were undoubtedly those that began with the experience at Pentecost. Before that time, however, there were the important activities of a less public nature.
ron says: "During those periods of activity after the crucifixion and resurrection of the Master, and the various meetings that took place, those gathered in the upper room who believed in, were looking for, the promises of the coming of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit."
ron says: Those closely associated in Bethany included many besides the apostles. After the return of the apostles from Galilee and the ascension of Jesus, Mary, his mother, "became a dweller in the home of John, who joined with those in Bethany, hence the associations of Mary the sister of Martha, and John became the closer after this."
ron says: Mary, the mother of Jesus and the other Mary became bosom friends, and "there was the imbibing of the other Mary and Mary Magdalene of those tenets that were indicated oft by John in the repeating, especially, of the last hours of the Master."
ron says: Cleo, the daughter of Andrew, "was among those who were active following the crucifixion in caring for the upper chamber where the disciples and those first followers gathered. Her activities brought blessings to the many, making that chamber as a home, a church, a meeting place, a hopeful experience for those throughout that period."
ron says: Others who were said by Cayce to have been closely associated with the apostles and present upon the occasion of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit included Mariaerh, who had come to Jerusalem for the Passover and remained with the Holy Women in and about Bethany; Eunice,
ron says: who had come with Mary, Josie and the other Mary at the time of the crucifixion; Martha, the wife of Nicodemus; Ulai, in whose home Mary had lived for a time; and Lucius of Cyrene, a kinsman of Luke, with his sister, Nimmuo.
ron says: Lucius, though mentioned only briefly in the Bible as a teacher and a companion of Paul, was, according to Cayce, an important figure in the early church and active in it from its beginning.
ron says: Lucius and Nimmuo were among four children in a home that had been of the faith of the Samaritan Jews, said Cayce, but tempered with the teachings of the Grecians and Romans, for they were of Grecian and Roman parentage and in the early portion of Lucius's experience of the city of Cyrene, later living in Laodicea.
ron says: The land in which they lived was "under the direct rulership of the Romans, not as in those areas of Palestine where there were the Jewish rulers overseeing, or being superseded by the Jewish religious groups or sects of people. Thus there were those variations of the customs that were a part of those peoples, the influence of both the Grecian and the Roman, according to the tenets of the peoples of the time....
ron says: "That particular portion of Asia of which Lucius and Nimmuo were a part had long been under the supervision of the Roman Empire. There had been the attempts of many of those put in authority from the Roman Empire to give every advantage to those who offered promise of being in sympathy with those rulings,
ron says: or who were in the position to be conducive to making for activities in accord with such rulings. Thus we find that all the family of Lucius and Nimmuo were among those having the greater advantage of the educational facilities of the time."
ron says: Yet the associations and influences were not always of the best, for "much of the lewdness of that period had come from the Grecian and Roman peoples that had become a part of that portion of the land," and the area around Laodicea was peopled with those combinations of Grecians, Romans and Jews that had been expelled from portions of Galilee.
ron says: "As a developing youth and young man Lucius was known rather as a ne'er-do-well, or one that wandered from pillar to post, or became, as would be termed in present day parlance, a soldier of fortune.
diane says: a wild and crazy guy. lol
ron says: "When there were those activities in and about Jerusalem and Galilee of the ministry of the man Jesus, Lucius came into those environs. Being impelled by the experiences with the followers and the great lessons given by the Teacher, he became as one that was a hanger-on, and of the very intent and purpose that this was to be the time when there was to be a rebellion against the Roman legions, the Romans in authority.
Blu says: we know a few of those
ron says: And Lucius looked forward to same, acting in the capacity of not an informant, but rather as one attempting to keep in touch with the edicts of the various natures between the political forces in Rome and the political forces among the Jews.
ron says: "Lucius was disregarded and questioned by those who were of the Jewish faith who were the close followers of the Master, yet was among those that were sent as those who were to be as teachers, or among the seventy.
ron says: "With the arousing, and the demanding that there be more and more of the closer association with the Teacher, Lucius, being of the foreign group, was rejected as one of the apostles, yet was questioned, mostly by John, Peter, Andrew, James, and those who were the closer affiliated or associated with Thomas.
ron says: "With those activities that eventually arose in Palestine, and the ministry in the northernmost portions of the land, during the teachings and travellings of the Master, those very close in the family of Lucius also came under the direction of those teachings.
ron says: Then, with the changes wrought during the periods of the trial, the crucifixion, and then the happenings which came about from the reports spread abroad as to what were the actual conditions existent when the hour of the crucifixion had come, then the third day, and the reports of his rising again, and of his meeting with the disciples at the Sea of Tiberius (or Galilee), and then the ascension upon or horn the holy
ron says: mount these brought to that family wonderment and interest.
ron says: "So, with the repeating of that as, had been the experience of the brother, little wonder that the sister was desirous of knowing more of those happenings, desirous of seeing, experiencing, being in contact with individuals who had actually seen and heard the words of the Master, desirous of meeting those who had been healed by the laying on of hands, by merely the word spoken, desirous of hearing those who had eaten of bread created by the word of that Teacher.
ron says: "Thus, though young in years, being around sixteen years of age, Nimmuo, with the brother, journeyed to the environs in which those things; those experiences had, been an actual, living part of the experience of those many' individuals.
ron says: "Being in the position of not only being countenanced by but friends of those in authority, though there were questionings, yet there was, honor shown these two through there activities in that Journey through the Holy Land, across the Sea of Galilee,
ron says: , down those portions of the Jordan, through Perea, to Bethany, into the city itself, the house of Martha and Mary and Lazarus, the acquaintance of the mother, Mary, and the rest of the family that had been gathered by John, then, as in keeping with that command from the cross.
ron says: "Each of these individuals heard again and again much of that which has been lost by the attempt of individuals to interpret in the varied tongues." There were the stories told of what had happened in Bethany, "how Mary had been cleansed from those activities and experiences little of which until then had even been spoken of in the presence of Nimmuo."
ron says: Also, they heard much of Martha, "the one sedate, calm, never venturing to offer her body, ever, in those activities that had made Mary the byword of so many; also those stories as to how word had been sent to the Master as to the illness of Lazarus, his visits, and the eventual bringing forth, after four days in the tomb."
ron says: They heard of the experiences of Lazarus as he, himself, had given, "as to his experience or consciousness in that period of the inter-between, as to what had happened, as to how there had arisen that. consciousness, that movement within, when that voice had called, 'Lazarus, come forth!'"
ron says: Then came the day of the Pentecost, when there were the mighty gatherings; when Lucius and Nimmuo and Mariaerh and Eunice and those many peoples beheld in awe the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, when the Spirit "descended as in tongues of fire and sat upon that body of the twelve;"
ron says: heard that speech of Peter when he spoke in tongues - "or as he spoke in his own tongue," said Cayce, "it, the message, was heard by those of every nation in their own tongue."
ron says: These experiences "so impressed Lucius that there came a re-dedicating, and the determination within self to become the closer associated with, the closer affiliated with the disciples or apostles."
ron says: "The many of many lands," Cayce continues, "were brought to conviction by the teachings of the apostles on that day, and especially in that memorable one of Peter's." Perhaps the experience of Eunice, into whose life had come so much of disappointment and fear and hate, was typical of these.
ron says: When she "heard her own kinsmen speak in tongues, seeing the great tumult and the activities wrought," said Cayce, there "was builded that determination within the experience and heart of the woman to bring the greater knowledge, the greater awareness of the spirit of truth, as was indeed manifested by him that shed, through the tenets of his disciples and apostles the new light to men:
ron says: that hate and those things that make afraid may be put away, and that positions of power or wealth or fame may be set at naught compared to the peace that came and is the understanding of those who have seen and known and become aware of his presence abiding."
ron says: When there were the first attempts for organized effort on the part of the teachers or. apostles, as is recorded in the book of Acts, all the material belongings of those who joined in this fellowship became as a part of the apostles, and they were "with one accord together."
diane says: yes..socialistic
ron says: The number of these became exceedingly large, for three thousand were baptized on the first day of the apostles teaching, and the number was added to daily. It was necessary to choose some people to act as deacons or ministers to the needs of the great throngs of people, or in the words of Cayce, "the distribution of the needs of those that had set themselves and their only worldly goods to be used by those in authority in the church," for many confusions arose.
ron says: "There were those," said Cayce, "who were entirely of the circumcision; there were those chosen who were of the uncircumcised group, yet. were identified with services in various forms in that which had been adopted by the Samaritan Jews. Some of these facts became problems (that were unnecessary in their particular activity, or for their beliefs) in the teachings of Peter, John, James, who were the chief spokesmen during those periods."
ron says: With Stephen, Philip, and others, according to Cayce, there was chosen a young man named Philas who was at the time only a little past nineteen years of age. Philas "was of that group of people from Seleucia who came to Jerusalem during those days of the Pentecost, when there was an outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles who had been warned to tarry in Jerusalem until that day."
ron says: He was among those who were students of the law, those who were interested in the questionings concerning the interpretations of the Mosaic law by the priests and rabbis of the day, and "the interesting facts and fancies that had come from the eastern lands from which the wise men had come. These, as parts of the teachings, had become adopted by those groups of the Essenes of which John and Joseph had been a part before the entering of the Master, Jesus, into the earth."
ron says: "Philas was of a group not wholly either Jewish or Grecian, but one interested in same, because of the background, genealogically, of the things happening.
ron says: He journeyed to Jerusalem because of the interest aroused by hearsay and the expectance among the peoples, the great throngs. As a student he was aroused to the possibilities and probabilities of the activities to which the individuals might give themselves, or contribute to, or gain something from, as to add to the interest in living."
ron says: He had not been acquainted, directly, until this period, with the individuals who had been associated with the Master as disciples, now apostles, or those who had been very close in the activity.
ron says: On the journey to Jerusalem, however, Philas became closely associated with Stephen, who, after the joining of so many to the efforts of the apostles on the day of Pentecost, "became the treasurer of the organization that became a necessity, in that record keepers had to be appointed because of the great amount of contributions of various natures to those peoples."
ron says: With the establishing of the church in Jerusalem, Martha, the wife of Nicodemus, "was among those who aided Stephen and Philip, as well as others of various lands. For it was with these that Martha first became acquainted with Luke and Lucius who later became the heads of various organizations in other portions."
ron says: Stephen was a close friend of Lucius, Luke, "and those of the younger group that became the companions of the teachers." These relationships were in the nature of counsel from Martha, to whom Stephen, Luke, Lucius and Mark, "as the younger of the disciples (not apostles but younger of the disciples) went for counsel." For Martha "was one acquainted with the law," and she taught the law to the young ones, the children who sought knowledge.
ron says: When the persecutions began, Martha "withdrew more and more because of the associations with those in authority, but her home became more and more a place of refuge and help for all of the young of the church."
ron says: this is the end of the first series of 4 files...should i continue?...change to another subject?..or, first take a break?
Blu says: break
diane says: a break is good
tre_eagle_mike says: k
ron says: ok a little break