Post by WalksInSpirit on Jan 24, 2006 15:43:58 GMT -5
Tuesday Afternoon Chat: 01-24-06
"Karma"
(02:36:55) (merri) ok a little something today on karma
(02:37:08) (merri) also referred to as memory
(02:37:13) (diane) uh-oh. lol
(02:37:51) (merri) The law of karma is not some fierce god in the sky keeping track of everything so that it can zap people when they least expect it. Most karmic reactions in fact come from the individual's own deep memory of what it has done.
(02:38:35) (merri) You see, actions and thoughts build a consciousness much in the same way that exercise and food build a body. In a way, we are a memory complex. Our body and mind is the subtotal of all we have done. The memories, whether conscious or unconscious, make up our present condition.
(02:39:15) (merri) Thus, when we look at one another we are actually seeing a memory complex. Decisions are based on our past; reactions are based on our past; so are our goals. To understand a person, we must know something about their memory complex.
(02:40:02) (merri) Not surprisingly, karma has been described as memory. Karma is memory coming to consciousness again. What has occurred in the past is recalled and has an effect on the present. Now, the recollection may not surface to the conscious level; the personality may have no awareness of the memory, in fact.
(02:40:43) (merri) Yet, it exists at the deeper, soul level. Nevertheless, the soul sees through the same eyes as the personality, and is reminded of its past use of free-will and consciousness. Naturally, some of these memories will be compatible with the Universal, and some will not.
(02:41:24) (merri) Memory is an important concept in understanding how the law of karma works.
(02:41:54) (merri) As a soul draws closer to the Universal Mind it becomes aware that some of its memories are not compatible with the Creator, and since its ultimate purpose for being is companionship with the Creator, it seeks out opportunities to resolve these incompatible memories.
(02:42:40) (merri) Suppose a soul criticizes another soul among its peers and behind its back. As it becomes more aware of its true nature it will recall this wrong, and because of its incompatibility with the Creator, will seek to correct it. Now, the resolution could take many forms. The soul might seek out an opportunity to work closely with the injured soul as a supporter, assistant, publicist, agent or the like. Or perhaps it would seek to re-create the
(02:43:16) (merri) original scene -- putting itself in a position to criticize the other soul again in front of the same peers. The test would be to see if the soul would choose not to criticize this time, even if it meant a certain loss of position for itself. Throughout all of this the soul grows wiser and more compatible with the Creator.
(02:43:56) (merri) If, however, a soul has gotten so far away from its true nature that it has no conscience, then the Law can become a formidable obstacle to any further free-will action. Such a soul becomes surrounded by its karma;
(02:44:52) (merri) everywhere it turns it meets the terrible effects of its previous actions and thoughts. Yet, even a soul who has gotten in this pathetic situation can return to perfection because there is no total condemnation from the Creator or the Law. If the soul turns away from its self-centeredness and begins acting, reacting, thinking and speaking like a companion to the Universe, then the Law is just as perfect as it is with error; and the reactions begin to build an
(02:45:50) (merri) Karma is memory. As one recalls or relives situations, one meets self again, and a new decision point or crossroads is presented to the soul. "Before thee are set good and evil. Choose thou." (Deuteronomy 30:15) In our portrait of life, good would be equated with compatible, harmonious actions and thoughts which consider the needs and desires of others along with self's needs and desires. Evil would be equated with actions and
(02:46:40) (merri) thoughts that are motivated by a self-orientation that pays little or no attention to the needs and desires of others and the Whole. Metaphysically speaking, good results in oneness, and evil results in a sense of separation. Decisions in one's life could be approached by evaluating which choices promote greater oneness and which promote separation.
(02:47:29) (merri) However, it gets a little difficult to support this idea much further than that because in most of the secret teachings there is the belief that one must separate oneself from the world if one is to awaken to the greater reality beyond this life. Yet if we look closely at this belief, we find that the separation is more accurately a detachment than a separation.
(02:47:44) (Roz) if it isnt good for everyone it isnt good for anyone
(02:47:47) (Meg) merri, the memory complex is key, and the karma, i am trying to let go of the past negatively and remember the good things, so we should not to criticize,but move to perfection, and choose oneness
(02:48:15) (merri) yes Meg
(02:48:40) (merri) One is to strive to release oneself from the possessive power of the things of this world while still actively participating in it. In other words, one is to enjoy food and drink without being possessed by food and drink; one is to enjoy material life without being possessed by it.
(02:50:12) (merri) Look at the "Seven Deadly Sins" of Western religion. Each of them (lust, envy, greed, gluttony, etc.) expresses a type of possessive power that overtakes the partaker. The "Seven Virtues" on the other hand, express selflessness on the part of the recipient: kindness, gentleness, patience, etc.
(02:50:46) (merri) Notice also that the Sins are mostly self-experienced, but the Virtues require another person in order for them to be realized. This follows Jesus' teaching, "I seek mercy, and not sacrifice. He who has ears..." Sacrifice can be done alone, but mercy requires that one reach out beyond oneself and consider others and their needs.
(02:51:30) (merri) Again, we come to the inevitable conclusion that sin is self to the exclusion of others and the Whole, while virtue is oneness with the Whole and consideration of others. It's important to note here that the ultimate goal is not the complete loss of self-identity, rather, as Cayce so aptly phrased it: to know yourself to be yourself, yet one with the Whole.
(02:51:30) (Roz) good material Merri
(02:51:51) (Roz) Amen
(02:52:13) (merri) thought it was a good reminder
(02:53:01) (ron) thanks merri...this was very good
(02:53:08) (merri) any comments or discussion
(02:53:29) (Roz) excellent Merri
(02:53:37) (diane) I like to be reminded...ty merri
(02:54:02) (Roz) we trans form the self and intergrate it
(02:54:28) (Roz) ultimate goal is not the complete loss of self-identity, rather, as Cayce so aptly phrased it: to know yourself to be yourself, yet one with the Whole.
(02:54:48) (merri) exactly
(02:55:15) (merri) and this is a hard concept for some to understand
(02:55:50) (Roz) make s excellent sense
(02:55:59) (Qrious) to know self... as self.. or a portion of what one is in the whole.?
(02:56:06) (merri) I guess it comes with "soul growth"
(02:56:29) (merri) both Q
(02:56:35) (Qrious) If we are ever growing, then how is self known?
(02:57:13) (Qrious) are we not always in flux?
(02:57:19) (ron) I think, therefore I am
(02:57:37) (Roz) recognition Qrious
(02:57:43) (merri) because we grow doesn't mean you loose track of self
(02:57:47) (Roz) of who we really are
(02:58:02) (Roz) and acceptance
(02:59:07) (Qrious) you mean.. we are just a corpuscle in the body of christ , Jesus being the head and we just a member in a body.
(02:59:48) (merri) a facet or corpuscle yes
(02:59:52) (Roz) no we are Christs in the making
(03:00:19) (Roz) when we accept our Christness
(03:01:14) (Meg) Soul, Associated the the spiritwual part of ourself, the higher sdle or the perfectl6y realized Christ
(03:01:45) (Qrious) so,, not to sound rude, and with all due respect, what would be the point of being awakened.. Just so that we no longer live in ignorance of our spiritual side, or connection to God.
(03:02:17) (ron) the Soul is in a process of development...that is my understadning of the readings...its the Spirit (superconscious entity) that is perfect...at lest to our current understanding
(03:02:45) (merri) that is my view Q
(03:02:51) (merri) agree ron
(03:02:52) (Meg) sorry, for the misspelling,
(03:02:59) (Roz) exackle
(03:03:30) (Meg) ty Roz
(03:03:48) (Qrious) so.. now that we do know, we are to practice what we learned, then pass it on.?
(03:04:04) (Roz) be it
(03:04:10) (merri) apply
(03:04:34) (Qrious) so in essence, all we are really doing is teaching the message of salvation of an entity. In a nut shell.
(03:04:35) (merri) np Meg
(03:04:57) (Roz) no living it
(03:05:23) (Roz) being it ....showing by example
(03:05:42) (Meg) yes Roz, living what we believe, is most important
(03:05:48) (merri) and understanding our relationship to the Universe
(03:06:14) (Meg) showing by example
(03:06:19) (Qrious) well, I do find it difficult to live without our moral value and internalized beliefs not being constantly referenced too.
(03:06:59) (Roz) indeed Qrious
(03:07:47) (Qrious) so.. when we come to terms with this awakening, we are to reflect it to others, and not be like a light hidden under a bushel.
(03:08:09) (ron) practice what you preach
(03:08:28) (merri) exactly...knowledge not applied is not worth much
(03:08:44) (Roz) and teach by example
(03:08:57) (Roz) be a light in the world
(03:08:59) (Meg) Qrious, lol , yep i would say Shine Your Light :)
(03:09:27) (Roz) I have to go been a great chat Merri thanks
(03:11:26) (Qrious) so , everything is but a tool,, and cannot be possessed.. cept people.,, not being a tool that is.
(03:12:03) (merri) One is to strive to release oneself from the possessive power of the things of this world while still actively participating in it. In other words, one is to enjoy food and drink without being possessed by food and drink; one is to enjoy material life without being possessed by it.
(03:12:51) (Qrious) so, like in Ecclesiates, eat, drink, and be merry,
(03:13:11) (merri) all in moderation Q
(03:13:11) (merri) all in moderation Q
(03:13:39) (WalksInSpirit) Even moderation... ;-)
(03:14:10) (merri) would balance be a better word?
(03:14:23) (WalksInSpirit) That was a famous quote, and now I cannot remember who said it, dadgumit!
(03:14:41) (Qrious) so, we really just gather together, to learn how not to return to this solar system, and meet somewhere else down the universe.. I just wonder, what for.
(03:15:13) (ron) perhaps, boredom :)
(03:15:21) (Qrious) lol ron.
(03:15:36) (merri) to find the path home
(03:15:49) (merri) isn't that what Cayce tells us
(03:16:32) (Qrious) If we are always at home with ourselves, and know that we will eventually return home, then isn't that just getting worked up for the inevitable?
(03:18:04) (merri) inevitable?
(03:19:03) (merri) it only becomes inevitable when one complies with the Laws
(03:19:06) (Qrious) well.. isn't it merri?.. If karma is to be banished, and we work off our burden since it places us in bondage,, won't we be set free eventually.. and inevitably.
(03:19:50) (merri) yes and what would you rather do?
(03:20:03) (merri) what's the alternative?
(03:20:47) (Qrious) it just strikes me as odd.. how there is no form of judgment, and only to live what we have built upon ourselves and others.. which of course shall be payed in the skien of time.
(03:21:46) (ron) or spend a thousand incarnations being possessed by a bottle
(03:21:55) (merri) do you prefer judgment? or release ?
(03:22:03) (merri) lol ron
(03:22:09) (Qrious) It would make the choice to not care, to easily choose to take our time, and not to worry, cause there is no real rush.. no deadline.
(03:22:10) (ron) lol
(03:22:53) (merri) that's right Q there is no deadline but be prepared to repeat incarnations
(03:23:09) (merri) as ron said over and over
(03:24:03) (Qrious) whats to prepare for merri... that is my point.. I will show up sooner or later, and why should I care, I only truly am hurting myself aren't I.. in the long run, I keep myself captive.
(03:24:49) (ron) to be free from earthly woes
(03:24:50) (merri) right and if that's your choice so be it
(03:25:08) (ron) so be it, yes merri
(03:25:16) (Meg) Qrious, what is your bottom line?
(03:25:44) (Qrious) its like being an old man sitting on the porch watching the sun rise in the morning, and seeing the shadow creep up to meet you like an old friend.
(03:26:38) (Meg) karma
(03:27:23) (Qrious) the smell of the grass and trees, when the morning dew is starting to turn to vapors, or the water of a stream going by making a calm soothing effect to our soul..
(03:27:25) (Meg) the shadow, an old friend
(03:27:49) (ron) the shadow knows....
(03:28:08) (merri) contemplation has its place also
(03:28:27) (Qrious) God said he created it, and said it was good.. I think so too. So I am not in a big rush to leave.
(03:28:57) (merri) it is good and it gets better
(03:29:10) (Meg) timing is everything
(03:29:39) (Qrious) shadow knows.. lol.
(03:29:39) (merri) nobody has to be in a rush to leave
(03:29:50) (Meg) nso be it
(03:30:53) (ron) but still, who wants to stay back in school...all our friends and families have moved ahead...who whats to be left behind
(03:31:11) (Qrious) oh.. oh.. pick me, pick me.. lol
(03:31:16) (WalksInSpirit) Good point, Ron.
(03:32:33) (merri) agree good point ron
(03:32:41) (Qrious) how do we really know if we are not ahead of them, cause even Jesus was already a fully developed soul before entering this earthly plane.
(03:32:57) (Qrious) Its in a Cayce reading.
(03:33:26) (merri) by the fruits
(03:33:54) (Qrious) and if Jesus is coming back like he said he would,, wouldn't that just make me his watchman.? Ever awaiting His return.?
(03:33:54) (WalksInSpirit) I just enjoy life, and live every day like it's my last one. Cause one day, it will be. :-)
(03:34:15) (ron) some are ahead of us, and some are behind of us...we tend to look up to those who are ahead of us...because they tend to display greater talents and spirituality...things to be admired
(03:35:01) (Qrious) So why drive the bus when the Boss is going to show up at your place?
(03:35:10) (merri) right now you are the some total of all your experiences....are you satisfied.....do you strive for more?
(03:35:27) (ron) you haven't earned the right to drive the bus
(03:36:10) (Qrious) then I will just sit back, and let another do the driving, since the destination is the same isn't it?
(03:36:34) (merri) have to earn a seat on that bus also
(03:36:38) (ron) that is your choice to go along for the ride
(03:37:10) (Qrious) well.. they did say,, the bus pass is just to believe that He is.. isn't it.
(03:37:21) (ron) but the bus is a slow process and makes many stops along the way
(03:37:39) (Qrious) hence the transfer ticket ron. lol
(03:37:51) (Meg) the fruits, Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faith and Self Controll
(03:37:53) (ron) lol...change buses
(03:37:57) (ron) but still....
(03:38:21) (merri) nobody gets a "free" ride Q
(03:38:36) (Qrious) that is just an observation.. why strive, when you will get there anyway.
(03:39:26) (merri) that is your choice
(03:39:34) (ron) well, regarding earthly woes...i'm very, very, very tired
(03:39:39) (Qrious) anybody is welcome for the ride merri.. it goes as thus.. to whomsoever shall believe... that would include all that would.
(03:39:53) (Meg) so be it, a big Choice
(03:40:18) (ron) i'll still play with my kiddie car, no thanks
(03:40:24) (merri) yes Q anyone can geton board but there is still a fee to pay
(03:40:48) (crystal) I am a true beleiver in the law of karma
(03:40:50) (Qrious) the fee was paid.. by His blood.. its what it says isn't it?
(03:41:27) (Qrious) Bills class said.. by no other name.. and way is how I understood it.
(03:41:56) (ron) hmmmm.......i must think upon that....
(03:42:06) (crystal) when one beleive in Jesus shall follow his comments thus will create good karma
(03:42:26) (crystal) beleive in something is to live it
(03:42:26) (Qrious) maybe I am just a bunyun on a pinky toe.. that might be my corpuscle. lol
(03:42:54) (ron) i'm still thinking....
(03:43:07) (merri) have to go pick up my grankids....thanks for being here
(03:43:15) (Qrious) take care merri.
(03:43:16) (merri) Blessings All
(03:43:16) (ron) bye merri
(03:43:27) (crystal) take care merri , sorry I didn't make it in good time
(02:37:08) (merri) also referred to as memory
(02:37:13) (diane) uh-oh. lol
(02:37:51) (merri) The law of karma is not some fierce god in the sky keeping track of everything so that it can zap people when they least expect it. Most karmic reactions in fact come from the individual's own deep memory of what it has done.
(02:38:35) (merri) You see, actions and thoughts build a consciousness much in the same way that exercise and food build a body. In a way, we are a memory complex. Our body and mind is the subtotal of all we have done. The memories, whether conscious or unconscious, make up our present condition.
(02:39:15) (merri) Thus, when we look at one another we are actually seeing a memory complex. Decisions are based on our past; reactions are based on our past; so are our goals. To understand a person, we must know something about their memory complex.
(02:40:02) (merri) Not surprisingly, karma has been described as memory. Karma is memory coming to consciousness again. What has occurred in the past is recalled and has an effect on the present. Now, the recollection may not surface to the conscious level; the personality may have no awareness of the memory, in fact.
(02:40:43) (merri) Yet, it exists at the deeper, soul level. Nevertheless, the soul sees through the same eyes as the personality, and is reminded of its past use of free-will and consciousness. Naturally, some of these memories will be compatible with the Universal, and some will not.
(02:41:24) (merri) Memory is an important concept in understanding how the law of karma works.
(02:41:54) (merri) As a soul draws closer to the Universal Mind it becomes aware that some of its memories are not compatible with the Creator, and since its ultimate purpose for being is companionship with the Creator, it seeks out opportunities to resolve these incompatible memories.
(02:42:40) (merri) Suppose a soul criticizes another soul among its peers and behind its back. As it becomes more aware of its true nature it will recall this wrong, and because of its incompatibility with the Creator, will seek to correct it. Now, the resolution could take many forms. The soul might seek out an opportunity to work closely with the injured soul as a supporter, assistant, publicist, agent or the like. Or perhaps it would seek to re-create the
(02:43:16) (merri) original scene -- putting itself in a position to criticize the other soul again in front of the same peers. The test would be to see if the soul would choose not to criticize this time, even if it meant a certain loss of position for itself. Throughout all of this the soul grows wiser and more compatible with the Creator.
(02:43:56) (merri) If, however, a soul has gotten so far away from its true nature that it has no conscience, then the Law can become a formidable obstacle to any further free-will action. Such a soul becomes surrounded by its karma;
(02:44:52) (merri) everywhere it turns it meets the terrible effects of its previous actions and thoughts. Yet, even a soul who has gotten in this pathetic situation can return to perfection because there is no total condemnation from the Creator or the Law. If the soul turns away from its self-centeredness and begins acting, reacting, thinking and speaking like a companion to the Universe, then the Law is just as perfect as it is with error; and the reactions begin to build an
(02:45:50) (merri) Karma is memory. As one recalls or relives situations, one meets self again, and a new decision point or crossroads is presented to the soul. "Before thee are set good and evil. Choose thou." (Deuteronomy 30:15) In our portrait of life, good would be equated with compatible, harmonious actions and thoughts which consider the needs and desires of others along with self's needs and desires. Evil would be equated with actions and
(02:46:40) (merri) thoughts that are motivated by a self-orientation that pays little or no attention to the needs and desires of others and the Whole. Metaphysically speaking, good results in oneness, and evil results in a sense of separation. Decisions in one's life could be approached by evaluating which choices promote greater oneness and which promote separation.
(02:47:29) (merri) However, it gets a little difficult to support this idea much further than that because in most of the secret teachings there is the belief that one must separate oneself from the world if one is to awaken to the greater reality beyond this life. Yet if we look closely at this belief, we find that the separation is more accurately a detachment than a separation.
(02:47:44) (Roz) if it isnt good for everyone it isnt good for anyone
(02:47:47) (Meg) merri, the memory complex is key, and the karma, i am trying to let go of the past negatively and remember the good things, so we should not to criticize,but move to perfection, and choose oneness
(02:48:15) (merri) yes Meg
(02:48:40) (merri) One is to strive to release oneself from the possessive power of the things of this world while still actively participating in it. In other words, one is to enjoy food and drink without being possessed by food and drink; one is to enjoy material life without being possessed by it.
(02:50:12) (merri) Look at the "Seven Deadly Sins" of Western religion. Each of them (lust, envy, greed, gluttony, etc.) expresses a type of possessive power that overtakes the partaker. The "Seven Virtues" on the other hand, express selflessness on the part of the recipient: kindness, gentleness, patience, etc.
(02:50:46) (merri) Notice also that the Sins are mostly self-experienced, but the Virtues require another person in order for them to be realized. This follows Jesus' teaching, "I seek mercy, and not sacrifice. He who has ears..." Sacrifice can be done alone, but mercy requires that one reach out beyond oneself and consider others and their needs.
(02:51:30) (merri) Again, we come to the inevitable conclusion that sin is self to the exclusion of others and the Whole, while virtue is oneness with the Whole and consideration of others. It's important to note here that the ultimate goal is not the complete loss of self-identity, rather, as Cayce so aptly phrased it: to know yourself to be yourself, yet one with the Whole.
(02:51:30) (Roz) good material Merri
(02:51:51) (Roz) Amen
(02:52:13) (merri) thought it was a good reminder
(02:53:01) (ron) thanks merri...this was very good
(02:53:08) (merri) any comments or discussion
(02:53:29) (Roz) excellent Merri
(02:53:37) (diane) I like to be reminded...ty merri
(02:54:02) (Roz) we trans form the self and intergrate it
(02:54:28) (Roz) ultimate goal is not the complete loss of self-identity, rather, as Cayce so aptly phrased it: to know yourself to be yourself, yet one with the Whole.
(02:54:48) (merri) exactly
(02:55:15) (merri) and this is a hard concept for some to understand
(02:55:50) (Roz) make s excellent sense
(02:55:59) (Qrious) to know self... as self.. or a portion of what one is in the whole.?
(02:56:06) (merri) I guess it comes with "soul growth"
(02:56:29) (merri) both Q
(02:56:35) (Qrious) If we are ever growing, then how is self known?
(02:57:13) (Qrious) are we not always in flux?
(02:57:19) (ron) I think, therefore I am
(02:57:37) (Roz) recognition Qrious
(02:57:43) (merri) because we grow doesn't mean you loose track of self
(02:57:47) (Roz) of who we really are
(02:58:02) (Roz) and acceptance
(02:59:07) (Qrious) you mean.. we are just a corpuscle in the body of christ , Jesus being the head and we just a member in a body.
(02:59:48) (merri) a facet or corpuscle yes
(02:59:52) (Roz) no we are Christs in the making
(03:00:19) (Roz) when we accept our Christness
(03:01:14) (Meg) Soul, Associated the the spiritwual part of ourself, the higher sdle or the perfectl6y realized Christ
(03:01:45) (Qrious) so,, not to sound rude, and with all due respect, what would be the point of being awakened.. Just so that we no longer live in ignorance of our spiritual side, or connection to God.
(03:02:17) (ron) the Soul is in a process of development...that is my understadning of the readings...its the Spirit (superconscious entity) that is perfect...at lest to our current understanding
(03:02:45) (merri) that is my view Q
(03:02:51) (merri) agree ron
(03:02:52) (Meg) sorry, for the misspelling,
(03:02:59) (Roz) exackle
(03:03:30) (Meg) ty Roz
(03:03:48) (Qrious) so.. now that we do know, we are to practice what we learned, then pass it on.?
(03:04:04) (Roz) be it
(03:04:10) (merri) apply
(03:04:34) (Qrious) so in essence, all we are really doing is teaching the message of salvation of an entity. In a nut shell.
(03:04:35) (merri) np Meg
(03:04:57) (Roz) no living it
(03:05:23) (Roz) being it ....showing by example
(03:05:42) (Meg) yes Roz, living what we believe, is most important
(03:05:48) (merri) and understanding our relationship to the Universe
(03:06:14) (Meg) showing by example
(03:06:19) (Qrious) well, I do find it difficult to live without our moral value and internalized beliefs not being constantly referenced too.
(03:06:59) (Roz) indeed Qrious
(03:07:47) (Qrious) so.. when we come to terms with this awakening, we are to reflect it to others, and not be like a light hidden under a bushel.
(03:08:09) (ron) practice what you preach
(03:08:28) (merri) exactly...knowledge not applied is not worth much
(03:08:44) (Roz) and teach by example
(03:08:57) (Roz) be a light in the world
(03:08:59) (Meg) Qrious, lol , yep i would say Shine Your Light :)
(03:09:27) (Roz) I have to go been a great chat Merri thanks
(03:11:26) (Qrious) so , everything is but a tool,, and cannot be possessed.. cept people.,, not being a tool that is.
(03:12:03) (merri) One is to strive to release oneself from the possessive power of the things of this world while still actively participating in it. In other words, one is to enjoy food and drink without being possessed by food and drink; one is to enjoy material life without being possessed by it.
(03:12:51) (Qrious) so, like in Ecclesiates, eat, drink, and be merry,
(03:13:11) (merri) all in moderation Q
(03:13:11) (merri) all in moderation Q
(03:13:39) (WalksInSpirit) Even moderation... ;-)
(03:14:10) (merri) would balance be a better word?
(03:14:23) (WalksInSpirit) That was a famous quote, and now I cannot remember who said it, dadgumit!
(03:14:41) (Qrious) so, we really just gather together, to learn how not to return to this solar system, and meet somewhere else down the universe.. I just wonder, what for.
(03:15:13) (ron) perhaps, boredom :)
(03:15:21) (Qrious) lol ron.
(03:15:36) (merri) to find the path home
(03:15:49) (merri) isn't that what Cayce tells us
(03:16:32) (Qrious) If we are always at home with ourselves, and know that we will eventually return home, then isn't that just getting worked up for the inevitable?
(03:18:04) (merri) inevitable?
(03:19:03) (merri) it only becomes inevitable when one complies with the Laws
(03:19:06) (Qrious) well.. isn't it merri?.. If karma is to be banished, and we work off our burden since it places us in bondage,, won't we be set free eventually.. and inevitably.
(03:19:50) (merri) yes and what would you rather do?
(03:20:03) (merri) what's the alternative?
(03:20:47) (Qrious) it just strikes me as odd.. how there is no form of judgment, and only to live what we have built upon ourselves and others.. which of course shall be payed in the skien of time.
(03:21:46) (ron) or spend a thousand incarnations being possessed by a bottle
(03:21:55) (merri) do you prefer judgment? or release ?
(03:22:03) (merri) lol ron
(03:22:09) (Qrious) It would make the choice to not care, to easily choose to take our time, and not to worry, cause there is no real rush.. no deadline.
(03:22:10) (ron) lol
(03:22:53) (merri) that's right Q there is no deadline but be prepared to repeat incarnations
(03:23:09) (merri) as ron said over and over
(03:24:03) (Qrious) whats to prepare for merri... that is my point.. I will show up sooner or later, and why should I care, I only truly am hurting myself aren't I.. in the long run, I keep myself captive.
(03:24:49) (ron) to be free from earthly woes
(03:24:50) (merri) right and if that's your choice so be it
(03:25:08) (ron) so be it, yes merri
(03:25:16) (Meg) Qrious, what is your bottom line?
(03:25:44) (Qrious) its like being an old man sitting on the porch watching the sun rise in the morning, and seeing the shadow creep up to meet you like an old friend.
(03:26:38) (Meg) karma
(03:27:23) (Qrious) the smell of the grass and trees, when the morning dew is starting to turn to vapors, or the water of a stream going by making a calm soothing effect to our soul..
(03:27:25) (Meg) the shadow, an old friend
(03:27:49) (ron) the shadow knows....
(03:28:08) (merri) contemplation has its place also
(03:28:27) (Qrious) God said he created it, and said it was good.. I think so too. So I am not in a big rush to leave.
(03:28:57) (merri) it is good and it gets better
(03:29:10) (Meg) timing is everything
(03:29:39) (Qrious) shadow knows.. lol.
(03:29:39) (merri) nobody has to be in a rush to leave
(03:29:50) (Meg) nso be it
(03:30:53) (ron) but still, who wants to stay back in school...all our friends and families have moved ahead...who whats to be left behind
(03:31:11) (Qrious) oh.. oh.. pick me, pick me.. lol
(03:31:16) (WalksInSpirit) Good point, Ron.
(03:32:33) (merri) agree good point ron
(03:32:41) (Qrious) how do we really know if we are not ahead of them, cause even Jesus was already a fully developed soul before entering this earthly plane.
(03:32:57) (Qrious) Its in a Cayce reading.
(03:33:26) (merri) by the fruits
(03:33:54) (Qrious) and if Jesus is coming back like he said he would,, wouldn't that just make me his watchman.? Ever awaiting His return.?
(03:33:54) (WalksInSpirit) I just enjoy life, and live every day like it's my last one. Cause one day, it will be. :-)
(03:34:15) (ron) some are ahead of us, and some are behind of us...we tend to look up to those who are ahead of us...because they tend to display greater talents and spirituality...things to be admired
(03:35:01) (Qrious) So why drive the bus when the Boss is going to show up at your place?
(03:35:10) (merri) right now you are the some total of all your experiences....are you satisfied.....do you strive for more?
(03:35:27) (ron) you haven't earned the right to drive the bus
(03:36:10) (Qrious) then I will just sit back, and let another do the driving, since the destination is the same isn't it?
(03:36:34) (merri) have to earn a seat on that bus also
(03:36:38) (ron) that is your choice to go along for the ride
(03:37:10) (Qrious) well.. they did say,, the bus pass is just to believe that He is.. isn't it.
(03:37:21) (ron) but the bus is a slow process and makes many stops along the way
(03:37:39) (Qrious) hence the transfer ticket ron. lol
(03:37:51) (Meg) the fruits, Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faith and Self Controll
(03:37:53) (ron) lol...change buses
(03:37:57) (ron) but still....
(03:38:21) (merri) nobody gets a "free" ride Q
(03:38:36) (Qrious) that is just an observation.. why strive, when you will get there anyway.
(03:39:26) (merri) that is your choice
(03:39:34) (ron) well, regarding earthly woes...i'm very, very, very tired
(03:39:39) (Qrious) anybody is welcome for the ride merri.. it goes as thus.. to whomsoever shall believe... that would include all that would.
(03:39:53) (Meg) so be it, a big Choice
(03:40:18) (ron) i'll still play with my kiddie car, no thanks
(03:40:24) (merri) yes Q anyone can geton board but there is still a fee to pay
(03:40:48) (crystal) I am a true beleiver in the law of karma
(03:40:50) (Qrious) the fee was paid.. by His blood.. its what it says isn't it?
(03:41:27) (Qrious) Bills class said.. by no other name.. and way is how I understood it.
(03:41:56) (ron) hmmmm.......i must think upon that....
(03:42:06) (crystal) when one beleive in Jesus shall follow his comments thus will create good karma
(03:42:26) (crystal) beleive in something is to live it
(03:42:26) (Qrious) maybe I am just a bunyun on a pinky toe.. that might be my corpuscle. lol
(03:42:54) (ron) i'm still thinking....
(03:43:07) (merri) have to go pick up my grankids....thanks for being here
(03:43:15) (Qrious) take care merri.
(03:43:16) (merri) Blessings All
(03:43:16) (ron) bye merri
(03:43:27) (crystal) take care merri , sorry I didn't make it in good time
