Post by WalksInSpirit on Jul 3, 2007 19:01:49 GMT -5
No Soul Left Behind: 07-02-07
(09:11:59) The Red Path Chat Room welcomes you to No Soul Left Behind Study, Hosted By GG (Lory).
(09:18:50) (@host-GG) Q: How can one tell whether an intimate relationship is a spiritual experience or mainly physical?
(09:19:20) (@host-GG) A: "Ask within [your]self, 'What is the desire that is being gratified by the attributes of that relationship sought?' If it is the answer for those things that are an aggrandizement of self and self's own physical desires, then it is carnal or material.
(09:19:54) (@host-GG) Is it for the creating of self as a channel for an expression of the spiritual influences that have been impelling and do impel the activities, then it is spiritual." 349-17
(09:20:30) (@host-GG) Q: Is extramarital sex morally harmful?
(09:21:01) (@host-GG) A: "This must ever be answered from one's own inner self. Those attributes of procreation, of the pro-activity in individuals, are from the God force itself. The promptings of the inner man must ever be the guide; not from any source may there be given other than, 'Study to show thyself approved unto the God that thou would worship.'
(09:21:40) (@host-GG) As you would have men do to you, do even so to them. In the light of your own understanding, keep your body pure, as you would have others keep their bodies pure. For your body is the temple of the living God. Do not desecrate same in your own consciousness." 826-2
(09:22:38) (Cris) Wonderful advice with all the STD's today
(09:23:25) (Raleigh) i read that he said what have you dragged into your temple too /
(09:23:38) (@host-GG) Q: Sexual urges vary from person to person, some are strong, others weak. What might be done when one partner has relatively strong desires compared to the other?
(09:23:43) (Raleigh) like bad foods drugs and stuff
(09:24:13) (@host-GG) A: "This must be met in the same way and manner as every other condition that brings for the body those harmful conditions, or conditions that tend to make it harder for the ills to be passed. Not that these desires are not to be gratified to the extent that makes for the developments in a normal manner,
(09:24:51) (@host-GG) , but to gratify any desire in the carnal [sexual] forces of the body ~~ rather than in satisfying the spiritual life that comes of creation itself in such emotions ~~ is to become such as one to make for the pricks that are to be kicked against time and time again. Footnote: In using a variation of the expression 'kick
(09:25:23) (@host-GG) against the pricks' {meaning to protest uselessly}, Cayce apparently meant that to gratify sexual urges without satisfying their spiritual intent is unfulfilling.
(09:25:58) (@host-GG) "Self well understands that such gratification has been and is conducive and inducive to those periods of torments that arise at times; while with the applications in foods, in activities,
(09:26:07) (Raleigh) kicking against the pricks is a farming term how a plow cow kicks at the farmers pocker stick '
(09:26:20) (@host-GG) , with the outlets of self mentally and physically, these associations may be brought to mean much. Cultivate the spiritual, the mental and [the] physical desire rather than those carnal desires that are gratified only for the moment." 911-7
(09:26:42) (@host-GG) I was aware of that, too, Ral. Thanks for reminding me.
(09:27:07) (@host-GG) Q: When one partner loses desire for sex, but the other feels it is desirable or necessary, is there any solution?
(09:27:34) (@host-GG) A: "Only in a united effort on the part of each to fill the need of each" 2035-1 Footnote: Such a nonspecific response might seem puzzling, but it is Cayce's way of suggesting that the couple try to work it out as best they can, within the context of a caring relationship that respects the needs of both.
(09:27:58) (Cris) That makes sense
(09:27:59) (@host-GG) Q: Is continence advisable, as in couples who don't want any more children?
(09:28:32) (@host-GG) A: "For some, yes; in other cases it would be very bad on the part of each, while in others it would be bad on one or the other, see? [Repressing sexual desires might be emotionally distressing for some partners.]
(09:28:59) (@host-GG) There should be, then, rather the educating as to the purposes [such as, to give greater attention to the children they already have, or to a creative endeavor that demands their full attention], and how ~~ how that force, the vitality, that goes for the gratifying of emotions may be centralized in creating ~~ in the lives
(09:29:27) (@host-GG) of others about the body in all its various phases ~~ spiritual blessings. [In short, how they might focus their creative energy on a worthy alternative to having {more} children, such as volunteering as a teacher's aide or working in a shelter for battered women and children.}" 826-6
(09:30:04) (@host-GG) Q: If a husband is impotent and doesn't respond to medication or other stimulants, would his wife be entitled to a sexual relationship with a trusted friend to help her carry on the normal business of home and work?
(09:30:33) (@host-GG) A: "Such questions as these can only be answered in what is your ideal. Do not have an ideal and not attempt to reach same. There is no condemnation in those who do such for helpful forces, but if for personal, selfish gratification, it is sin. . .
(09:31:01) (@host-GG) "Keep self unspotted from the world. As to what the conduct should be, let it never be for only emotional satisfaction ~~ but creative in its nature." 2329-1
(09:31:13) (Raleigh) hmmmmm
(09:31:28) (@host-GG) Q: Is celibacy recommended in some situations?
(09:31:30) (Raleigh) cayce said a thing i think may apply here gg
(09:31:45) (@host-GG) What is that Ral?
(09:32:02) (Raleigh) he said do what you would be ok with what your mother would be ok with ///
(09:32:03) (Raleigh) hmmm
(09:32:23) (Raleigh) its kinda like how we are raised i feel ///
(09:32:30) (@host-GG) A: "It is more advisable that each individual fulfill the purposes for which it entered the earthly experience. These include associations and relations with individuals in marital relationships, with most individuals.
(09:32:49) (@host-GG) There are those for whom it is best that they keep a life of celibacy, owing to their circumstance and their activities." 2588-2
(09:33:06) (@host-GG) Thank you Ral.
(09:33:18) (Raleigh) see the point?
(09:33:46) (@host-GG) Q: How can one best live a celibate life?
(09:33:47) (Raleigh) but i feel its best when in doubt to use scripture //
(09:34:14) (@host-GG) A: "When [the kundalini] has arisen and is disseminated properly through the seven centers of the body, it has purified the body from all desire of sex relationships. For, this is an outlet through which one may attain to celibacy, through this activity." 2329-1
(09:34:46) (@host-GG) Q: Is divorce a recommended option when incompatibilities can't be reconciled?
(09:35:11) (@host-GG) A: "This depends upon first the education of the body [about the needs of a successful relationship]. Once united, once understood that the relationships are to be as one, less and less is there the necessity of such conditions [as divorce]. Man may learn a great deal from a study of the goose in this direction.
(09:36:18) (Cris) In our caregiver group it is interesting to see how many couples become asexual love grows beyond a physical tie and can be deeper
(09:36:37) (@host-GG) Once it has mated, never is there a mating with any other ~~ either the male or female, no matter how soon the destruction [death] of the mate may occur ~~ unless forced by man's intervention.
(09:37:29) (@host-GG) "This does not indicate that this is the end, and should only remain as such . . . For this is the extreme. Just as indicated in all of the animals ~~ the fowl or those that have become the closer related to man . . .
(09:38:21) (@host-GG) . . . And from these man may learn many lessons; which was attempted in the beginning [in the Garden of Eden, or life on earth]. And yet, as we have indicated, in same he lost self in that he found that he could satisfy those emotions or gratify what might be built as emotions from experience to experience.
(09:38:27) (Raleigh) gracious gg / your lessons are like sledgehammers / :)
(09:38:38) (Raleigh) i mean that in a good way / :)
(09:38:56) (@host-GG) "Thus there were gradually brought on the various polygamous relationships that have existed throughout the ages in many periods. And, as indicated in the lives of groups and nations, these become stumbling blocks that are ever kept within the background ~~
(09:39:24) (@host-GG) ~~ but that have made for the destructive influence that arose within the activities of such groups and nations, in such relationships." 826-6
(09:39:48) (@host-GG) Footnote: It is not known what groups Cayce referred to, perhaps the Mormons in nineteenth-century America who allowed polygamous marriages to build up their sect's numbers before polygamy was outlawed.
(09:40:22) (@host-GG) Q: Sexual relations are much freer today than a generation or two ago. Does anything concern you about this change?
(09:40:40) (@host-GG) A: "The lack of education in the young before their teenage years! For few there be who have the proper understanding, as we have indicated, of what the biological urge produces in the body! Now whether such an education is to be undertaken in the home or in the school is the greater problem." 826-6
(09:41:26) (@host-GG) Q: Sex education in the schools is controversial, for some sects oppose it entirely, and so the public schools avoid it.
(09:41:53) (@host-GG) A: "To be sure, there are conditions existent in relationship to many of the denominational activities religiously that prohibit, bar, or prevent sufficient consideration of these problems in the public schools or even in the private schools. And little has there been of the proper education of the mother, the father of those who need such instruction. But these are the places to begin.
(09:42:32) (@host-GG) And the warnings as would be presented are not as to the practices of this or the manner of that, or the association of this or that in the adult life. But there should be those precautions, understandings, relationships as to how and in what manner there becomes the biological urge; which through the
(09:43:10) (@host-GG) proper training may become a pathological condition in the body of the individual. For it is as from the beginning of puberty the essence of the Creative Forces or Energies within the body of the individual . . .
(09:43:38) (@host-GG) "And then, as these grow and become a portion of the body politic for public education, there should be greater stress laid upon the educations in these directions; and not wait until have reached or arrived at that position where they begin to study physiology, anatomy, or hygiene." 826-6
(09:44:23) (@host-GG) Q: So, you think it is up to the parents to begin sex education, and for the schools to finish the job?
(09:44:53) (@host-GG) May I ask your opinion regarding this question before you get Cayce's comments?
(09:45:10) (Raleigh) i feel the parent
(09:45:21) (Raleigh) never any school
(09:45:29) (@host-GG) Cris? Leon?
(09:45:48) (Cris) I feel most should come from the parents
(09:46:13) (@host-GG) What if the parents have never been taught properly, which seems to be the problem these days?
(09:46:19) (Cris) They can impart their values
(09:46:50) (Raleigh) im not sure
(09:46:53) (@host-GG) I'm sure glad I am not one of those who has to make that decision for others.
(09:47:31) (@host-GG) A: "In the formative years there should be training in these directions, as a portion of the material things. Even as the child studies its letters, let a portion of the instructions be in the care of the body, and more and more the stress upon the care in relation to the sex of the body and in the preservation of that as to its relationships to its Creator.
(09:47:41) (Cris) For some school is the only place they pick up reasonable information that isn't from the street
(09:48:06) (@host-GG) This is a loooong answer coming up.
(09:48:23) (@host-GG) For it is through such factors [as education] through such bodies of activity [schooling], that there may become a manifestation of the spiritual forces such as bring into being one's own flesh and blood. These are the approaches. These are the conditions [teach children early].
(09:48:28) (Leon) biology is one of most facinating and revealing about life and its functions.
(09:49:10) (@host-GG) True Cris. and Yes, Leon, it is fascinating, but does every parent know the proper procedure in teaching their children?
(09:49:49) (@host-GG) "Do not begin halfway. Do not begin after [puberty when] there has been already begun the practice of the conditions [sexual activity] that make for destructive forces [unwanted pregnancies and/or sexually transmitted diseases], or for the issue of the body to become as a
(09:49:56) (Leon) an affirmative 'No'
(09:50:22) (Raleigh) i see another reason here why god never blessed me with children
(09:50:23) (@host-GG) burning within the very elements of the body itself ~~ and to find expression in the gratifying of the [carnal] emotions of the body! For, to be sure, relationships in sex are the exercising of the highest [most powerful] emotions in which a physical body may indulge." 826-6
(09:50:23) (Raleigh) :)
(09:50:40) (@host-GG) Touche, Ral.
(09:50:45) (Raleigh) :)
(09:50:55) (@host-GG) Q: Is teaching or preaching birth control helpful?
(09:51:16) (@host-GG) A: " It is like shooting feathers at an eagle! It's a move in the right direction, but that's about as much as might be said. This should be rather the training of those [who] are in the positions of being the others and fathers of the nation, of the peoples! . . .
(09:51:43) (Leon) birth control - a reality of the present times.
(09:51:48) (@host-GG) "So with the education, so with that which does the prompting, let it be from not that which is lacking in an urge, but rather from what is to be done by the individual with the urge! See? And leave the results with the Giver of Life! For life is of, and is, the Creative Forces; it is what you worship God.
(09:52:20) (@host-GG) "Those then that besmirch same [God] by overindulgence besmirch what is best within themselves [their own soul]. And that should be the key to birth control or sex relations, or every phase of the relationships between the sons and the daughters of men ~~ that would become the sons and daughters of God." 826-6
(09:52:46) (@host-GG) Good answer, eh what?
(09:52:49) (Raleigh) shooting feathers at an eagle / how funny a term
(09:52:53) (Raleigh) :)
(09:53:09) (@host-GG) Q: What about nudism, or the partial nudism that passes for high fashion in some circles?
(09:53:29) (@host-GG) A: "That should be a matter of principle within the individuals as there is the training as to what is the purpose of those parts covered. Nudism or clothing or what not, as we have often indicated, should be rather the matter of the environ ~~ and not a matter of moral principle in any sense!" 826-6
(09:53:45) (Leon) nudism- degrading
(09:54:39) (@host-GG) And that is the end of Chapter III and Relationships.
(09:54:46) (Cris) Thanks Lory
(09:54:56) (Cris) That was interesting
(09:55:10) (Raleigh) i am reeling here /
(09:55:23) (Raleigh) powerful stuff huh?
(09:55:58) (@host-GG) You are all welcome. Perhaps Roz is right when she says some lessons are too long and too much to digest at one time; however, I think we are all diverse in our method of presenting material. Thats why we are all interesting in our own way. How do you all feel about that?
(09:56:13) (Raleigh) k
(09:56:33) (Leon) sexuality- a topic even adults don't discuss in its proper jundra
(09:56:40) (Raleigh) yeah shotenen up i think / then have disussion a little
(09:56:42) (Cris) We are a diverse bunch
(09:56:46) (Cris) We had a book on the development of a baby from conception to birth that we used to teach our boys about sex.
(09:57:13) (Cris) It was very helpful because they realized what playing around could result in
(09:57:36) (@host-GG) Good for you Cris. I suspected you were a wonderful parent.
(09:57:54) (Raleigh) so like proper meditation nixes desire for lovemaking
(09:57:57) (@host-GG) Do you have a family Leon?
(09:58:02) (Cris) We talked about their responsibility in bringing in a child without two loving parents
(09:58:11) (Raleigh) yes gg / i can see that too /
(09:59:39) (@host-GG) I might also ask you this question, please.
(09:59:43) (Leon) yes I do and I am fortunate that they respect themselves and exercise proper conduct.
(09:59:58) (Raleigh) ok gg
(10:00:42) (@host-GG) Do you think we should continue this particular class? Apparently too many chatters are not interested simply because of their non attendance.
(10:00:53) (Raleigh) hmmm
(10:00:59) (Cris) I enjoy it
(10:01:14) (Raleigh) i think it may be in part cause of summer activities /
(10:01:15) (Cris) It gives a perspective I might not have thought of
(10:01:39) (Raleigh) i think most are interested in the subject matter /
(10:01:42) (Raleigh) i am
(10:02:05) (@host-GG) The next chapter in this particular book is called, 'Holistic Healing' and chapters that follow are also diverse.
(10:02:12) (Raleigh) even though it is stinging in spots
(10:03:02) (@host-GG) lol Ral. Sometimes truth hits home doesn't it?
(10:03:07) (Raleigh) yes
(10:03:22) (Cris) I wasn't raised in a family that had open discussion my mother talked to my sister and she gave me her interpretation. All I knew is that I'd better behave
(10:03:37) (Raleigh) i cant turn back time but i can begin where i am huh?
(10:04:07) (@host-GG) Me too, Cris. However, my brothers and sisters all had families of their own by the time I was old enough to learn about it.
(10:04:19) (@host-GG) You bet Ral.
(10:04:22) (Raleigh) :)
(10:05:24) (@host-GG) by the way Ral. WIS was given all of the chapters as they were typed, and he may not have recorded them in his site exactly as they were presented weekly.
(10:05:33) (Raleigh) k
(10:06:15) (Raleigh) yeah this i stuff i need to study again
(10:06:31) (Raleigh) i have had 3 failed marriages ggg
(10:06:39) (Leon) enjoyable evening GG and as always much to my liking.
(10:06:45) (Raleigh) sad huh?
(10:06:46) (@host-GG) Leon, you must have been a wonderful father since your family is respectful and cautious
(10:07:15) (Raleigh) well ok gg / tx some much once again
(10:07:21) (Raleigh) your a dear / :)
(10:07:23) (@host-GG) Thank you Leon. And, Ral, don
(10:07:34) (Raleigh) knight you two ///
(10:07:39) (Leon) thank you ,, your comment is much appreciated
(10:07:45) (@host-GG) 't feel guilty, just be sure you learned your lessons well and do not repeat mistakes.
(10:08:23) (@host-GG) Goodnight, Leon. Thank you for coming.
(10:08:38) (Leon) goodnight
(09:18:50) (@host-GG) Q: How can one tell whether an intimate relationship is a spiritual experience or mainly physical?
(09:19:20) (@host-GG) A: "Ask within [your]self, 'What is the desire that is being gratified by the attributes of that relationship sought?' If it is the answer for those things that are an aggrandizement of self and self's own physical desires, then it is carnal or material.
(09:19:54) (@host-GG) Is it for the creating of self as a channel for an expression of the spiritual influences that have been impelling and do impel the activities, then it is spiritual." 349-17
(09:20:30) (@host-GG) Q: Is extramarital sex morally harmful?
(09:21:01) (@host-GG) A: "This must ever be answered from one's own inner self. Those attributes of procreation, of the pro-activity in individuals, are from the God force itself. The promptings of the inner man must ever be the guide; not from any source may there be given other than, 'Study to show thyself approved unto the God that thou would worship.'
(09:21:40) (@host-GG) As you would have men do to you, do even so to them. In the light of your own understanding, keep your body pure, as you would have others keep their bodies pure. For your body is the temple of the living God. Do not desecrate same in your own consciousness." 826-2
(09:22:38) (Cris) Wonderful advice with all the STD's today
(09:23:25) (Raleigh) i read that he said what have you dragged into your temple too /
(09:23:38) (@host-GG) Q: Sexual urges vary from person to person, some are strong, others weak. What might be done when one partner has relatively strong desires compared to the other?
(09:23:43) (Raleigh) like bad foods drugs and stuff
(09:24:13) (@host-GG) A: "This must be met in the same way and manner as every other condition that brings for the body those harmful conditions, or conditions that tend to make it harder for the ills to be passed. Not that these desires are not to be gratified to the extent that makes for the developments in a normal manner,
(09:24:51) (@host-GG) , but to gratify any desire in the carnal [sexual] forces of the body ~~ rather than in satisfying the spiritual life that comes of creation itself in such emotions ~~ is to become such as one to make for the pricks that are to be kicked against time and time again. Footnote: In using a variation of the expression 'kick
(09:25:23) (@host-GG) against the pricks' {meaning to protest uselessly}, Cayce apparently meant that to gratify sexual urges without satisfying their spiritual intent is unfulfilling.
(09:25:58) (@host-GG) "Self well understands that such gratification has been and is conducive and inducive to those periods of torments that arise at times; while with the applications in foods, in activities,
(09:26:07) (Raleigh) kicking against the pricks is a farming term how a plow cow kicks at the farmers pocker stick '
(09:26:20) (@host-GG) , with the outlets of self mentally and physically, these associations may be brought to mean much. Cultivate the spiritual, the mental and [the] physical desire rather than those carnal desires that are gratified only for the moment." 911-7
(09:26:42) (@host-GG) I was aware of that, too, Ral. Thanks for reminding me.
(09:27:07) (@host-GG) Q: When one partner loses desire for sex, but the other feels it is desirable or necessary, is there any solution?
(09:27:34) (@host-GG) A: "Only in a united effort on the part of each to fill the need of each" 2035-1 Footnote: Such a nonspecific response might seem puzzling, but it is Cayce's way of suggesting that the couple try to work it out as best they can, within the context of a caring relationship that respects the needs of both.
(09:27:58) (Cris) That makes sense
(09:27:59) (@host-GG) Q: Is continence advisable, as in couples who don't want any more children?
(09:28:32) (@host-GG) A: "For some, yes; in other cases it would be very bad on the part of each, while in others it would be bad on one or the other, see? [Repressing sexual desires might be emotionally distressing for some partners.]
(09:28:59) (@host-GG) There should be, then, rather the educating as to the purposes [such as, to give greater attention to the children they already have, or to a creative endeavor that demands their full attention], and how ~~ how that force, the vitality, that goes for the gratifying of emotions may be centralized in creating ~~ in the lives
(09:29:27) (@host-GG) of others about the body in all its various phases ~~ spiritual blessings. [In short, how they might focus their creative energy on a worthy alternative to having {more} children, such as volunteering as a teacher's aide or working in a shelter for battered women and children.}" 826-6
(09:30:04) (@host-GG) Q: If a husband is impotent and doesn't respond to medication or other stimulants, would his wife be entitled to a sexual relationship with a trusted friend to help her carry on the normal business of home and work?
(09:30:33) (@host-GG) A: "Such questions as these can only be answered in what is your ideal. Do not have an ideal and not attempt to reach same. There is no condemnation in those who do such for helpful forces, but if for personal, selfish gratification, it is sin. . .
(09:31:01) (@host-GG) "Keep self unspotted from the world. As to what the conduct should be, let it never be for only emotional satisfaction ~~ but creative in its nature." 2329-1
(09:31:13) (Raleigh) hmmmmm
(09:31:28) (@host-GG) Q: Is celibacy recommended in some situations?
(09:31:30) (Raleigh) cayce said a thing i think may apply here gg
(09:31:45) (@host-GG) What is that Ral?
(09:32:02) (Raleigh) he said do what you would be ok with what your mother would be ok with ///
(09:32:03) (Raleigh) hmmm
(09:32:23) (Raleigh) its kinda like how we are raised i feel ///
(09:32:30) (@host-GG) A: "It is more advisable that each individual fulfill the purposes for which it entered the earthly experience. These include associations and relations with individuals in marital relationships, with most individuals.
(09:32:49) (@host-GG) There are those for whom it is best that they keep a life of celibacy, owing to their circumstance and their activities." 2588-2
(09:33:06) (@host-GG) Thank you Ral.
(09:33:18) (Raleigh) see the point?
(09:33:46) (@host-GG) Q: How can one best live a celibate life?
(09:33:47) (Raleigh) but i feel its best when in doubt to use scripture //
(09:34:14) (@host-GG) A: "When [the kundalini] has arisen and is disseminated properly through the seven centers of the body, it has purified the body from all desire of sex relationships. For, this is an outlet through which one may attain to celibacy, through this activity." 2329-1
(09:34:46) (@host-GG) Q: Is divorce a recommended option when incompatibilities can't be reconciled?
(09:35:11) (@host-GG) A: "This depends upon first the education of the body [about the needs of a successful relationship]. Once united, once understood that the relationships are to be as one, less and less is there the necessity of such conditions [as divorce]. Man may learn a great deal from a study of the goose in this direction.
(09:36:18) (Cris) In our caregiver group it is interesting to see how many couples become asexual love grows beyond a physical tie and can be deeper
(09:36:37) (@host-GG) Once it has mated, never is there a mating with any other ~~ either the male or female, no matter how soon the destruction [death] of the mate may occur ~~ unless forced by man's intervention.
(09:37:29) (@host-GG) "This does not indicate that this is the end, and should only remain as such . . . For this is the extreme. Just as indicated in all of the animals ~~ the fowl or those that have become the closer related to man . . .
(09:38:21) (@host-GG) . . . And from these man may learn many lessons; which was attempted in the beginning [in the Garden of Eden, or life on earth]. And yet, as we have indicated, in same he lost self in that he found that he could satisfy those emotions or gratify what might be built as emotions from experience to experience.
(09:38:27) (Raleigh) gracious gg / your lessons are like sledgehammers / :)
(09:38:38) (Raleigh) i mean that in a good way / :)
(09:38:56) (@host-GG) "Thus there were gradually brought on the various polygamous relationships that have existed throughout the ages in many periods. And, as indicated in the lives of groups and nations, these become stumbling blocks that are ever kept within the background ~~
(09:39:24) (@host-GG) ~~ but that have made for the destructive influence that arose within the activities of such groups and nations, in such relationships." 826-6
(09:39:48) (@host-GG) Footnote: It is not known what groups Cayce referred to, perhaps the Mormons in nineteenth-century America who allowed polygamous marriages to build up their sect's numbers before polygamy was outlawed.
(09:40:22) (@host-GG) Q: Sexual relations are much freer today than a generation or two ago. Does anything concern you about this change?
(09:40:40) (@host-GG) A: "The lack of education in the young before their teenage years! For few there be who have the proper understanding, as we have indicated, of what the biological urge produces in the body! Now whether such an education is to be undertaken in the home or in the school is the greater problem." 826-6
(09:41:26) (@host-GG) Q: Sex education in the schools is controversial, for some sects oppose it entirely, and so the public schools avoid it.
(09:41:53) (@host-GG) A: "To be sure, there are conditions existent in relationship to many of the denominational activities religiously that prohibit, bar, or prevent sufficient consideration of these problems in the public schools or even in the private schools. And little has there been of the proper education of the mother, the father of those who need such instruction. But these are the places to begin.
(09:42:32) (@host-GG) And the warnings as would be presented are not as to the practices of this or the manner of that, or the association of this or that in the adult life. But there should be those precautions, understandings, relationships as to how and in what manner there becomes the biological urge; which through the
(09:43:10) (@host-GG) proper training may become a pathological condition in the body of the individual. For it is as from the beginning of puberty the essence of the Creative Forces or Energies within the body of the individual . . .
(09:43:38) (@host-GG) "And then, as these grow and become a portion of the body politic for public education, there should be greater stress laid upon the educations in these directions; and not wait until have reached or arrived at that position where they begin to study physiology, anatomy, or hygiene." 826-6
(09:44:23) (@host-GG) Q: So, you think it is up to the parents to begin sex education, and for the schools to finish the job?
(09:44:53) (@host-GG) May I ask your opinion regarding this question before you get Cayce's comments?
(09:45:10) (Raleigh) i feel the parent
(09:45:21) (Raleigh) never any school
(09:45:29) (@host-GG) Cris? Leon?
(09:45:48) (Cris) I feel most should come from the parents
(09:46:13) (@host-GG) What if the parents have never been taught properly, which seems to be the problem these days?
(09:46:19) (Cris) They can impart their values
(09:46:50) (Raleigh) im not sure
(09:46:53) (@host-GG) I'm sure glad I am not one of those who has to make that decision for others.
(09:47:31) (@host-GG) A: "In the formative years there should be training in these directions, as a portion of the material things. Even as the child studies its letters, let a portion of the instructions be in the care of the body, and more and more the stress upon the care in relation to the sex of the body and in the preservation of that as to its relationships to its Creator.
(09:47:41) (Cris) For some school is the only place they pick up reasonable information that isn't from the street
(09:48:06) (@host-GG) This is a loooong answer coming up.
(09:48:23) (@host-GG) For it is through such factors [as education] through such bodies of activity [schooling], that there may become a manifestation of the spiritual forces such as bring into being one's own flesh and blood. These are the approaches. These are the conditions [teach children early].
(09:48:28) (Leon) biology is one of most facinating and revealing about life and its functions.
(09:49:10) (@host-GG) True Cris. and Yes, Leon, it is fascinating, but does every parent know the proper procedure in teaching their children?
(09:49:49) (@host-GG) "Do not begin halfway. Do not begin after [puberty when] there has been already begun the practice of the conditions [sexual activity] that make for destructive forces [unwanted pregnancies and/or sexually transmitted diseases], or for the issue of the body to become as a
(09:49:56) (Leon) an affirmative 'No'
(09:50:22) (Raleigh) i see another reason here why god never blessed me with children
(09:50:23) (@host-GG) burning within the very elements of the body itself ~~ and to find expression in the gratifying of the [carnal] emotions of the body! For, to be sure, relationships in sex are the exercising of the highest [most powerful] emotions in which a physical body may indulge." 826-6
(09:50:23) (Raleigh) :)
(09:50:40) (@host-GG) Touche, Ral.
(09:50:45) (Raleigh) :)
(09:50:55) (@host-GG) Q: Is teaching or preaching birth control helpful?
(09:51:16) (@host-GG) A: " It is like shooting feathers at an eagle! It's a move in the right direction, but that's about as much as might be said. This should be rather the training of those [who] are in the positions of being the others and fathers of the nation, of the peoples! . . .
(09:51:43) (Leon) birth control - a reality of the present times.
(09:51:48) (@host-GG) "So with the education, so with that which does the prompting, let it be from not that which is lacking in an urge, but rather from what is to be done by the individual with the urge! See? And leave the results with the Giver of Life! For life is of, and is, the Creative Forces; it is what you worship God.
(09:52:20) (@host-GG) "Those then that besmirch same [God] by overindulgence besmirch what is best within themselves [their own soul]. And that should be the key to birth control or sex relations, or every phase of the relationships between the sons and the daughters of men ~~ that would become the sons and daughters of God." 826-6
(09:52:46) (@host-GG) Good answer, eh what?
(09:52:49) (Raleigh) shooting feathers at an eagle / how funny a term
(09:52:53) (Raleigh) :)
(09:53:09) (@host-GG) Q: What about nudism, or the partial nudism that passes for high fashion in some circles?
(09:53:29) (@host-GG) A: "That should be a matter of principle within the individuals as there is the training as to what is the purpose of those parts covered. Nudism or clothing or what not, as we have often indicated, should be rather the matter of the environ ~~ and not a matter of moral principle in any sense!" 826-6
(09:53:45) (Leon) nudism- degrading
(09:54:39) (@host-GG) And that is the end of Chapter III and Relationships.
(09:54:46) (Cris) Thanks Lory
(09:54:56) (Cris) That was interesting
(09:55:10) (Raleigh) i am reeling here /
(09:55:23) (Raleigh) powerful stuff huh?
(09:55:58) (@host-GG) You are all welcome. Perhaps Roz is right when she says some lessons are too long and too much to digest at one time; however, I think we are all diverse in our method of presenting material. Thats why we are all interesting in our own way. How do you all feel about that?
(09:56:13) (Raleigh) k
(09:56:33) (Leon) sexuality- a topic even adults don't discuss in its proper jundra
(09:56:40) (Raleigh) yeah shotenen up i think / then have disussion a little
(09:56:42) (Cris) We are a diverse bunch
(09:56:46) (Cris) We had a book on the development of a baby from conception to birth that we used to teach our boys about sex.
(09:57:13) (Cris) It was very helpful because they realized what playing around could result in
(09:57:36) (@host-GG) Good for you Cris. I suspected you were a wonderful parent.
(09:57:54) (Raleigh) so like proper meditation nixes desire for lovemaking
(09:57:57) (@host-GG) Do you have a family Leon?
(09:58:02) (Cris) We talked about their responsibility in bringing in a child without two loving parents
(09:58:11) (Raleigh) yes gg / i can see that too /
(09:59:39) (@host-GG) I might also ask you this question, please.
(09:59:43) (Leon) yes I do and I am fortunate that they respect themselves and exercise proper conduct.
(09:59:58) (Raleigh) ok gg
(10:00:42) (@host-GG) Do you think we should continue this particular class? Apparently too many chatters are not interested simply because of their non attendance.
(10:00:53) (Raleigh) hmmm
(10:00:59) (Cris) I enjoy it
(10:01:14) (Raleigh) i think it may be in part cause of summer activities /
(10:01:15) (Cris) It gives a perspective I might not have thought of
(10:01:39) (Raleigh) i think most are interested in the subject matter /
(10:01:42) (Raleigh) i am
(10:02:05) (@host-GG) The next chapter in this particular book is called, 'Holistic Healing' and chapters that follow are also diverse.
(10:02:12) (Raleigh) even though it is stinging in spots
(10:03:02) (@host-GG) lol Ral. Sometimes truth hits home doesn't it?
(10:03:07) (Raleigh) yes
(10:03:22) (Cris) I wasn't raised in a family that had open discussion my mother talked to my sister and she gave me her interpretation. All I knew is that I'd better behave
(10:03:37) (Raleigh) i cant turn back time but i can begin where i am huh?
(10:04:07) (@host-GG) Me too, Cris. However, my brothers and sisters all had families of their own by the time I was old enough to learn about it.
(10:04:19) (@host-GG) You bet Ral.
(10:04:22) (Raleigh) :)
(10:05:24) (@host-GG) by the way Ral. WIS was given all of the chapters as they were typed, and he may not have recorded them in his site exactly as they were presented weekly.
(10:05:33) (Raleigh) k
(10:06:15) (Raleigh) yeah this i stuff i need to study again
(10:06:31) (Raleigh) i have had 3 failed marriages ggg
(10:06:39) (Leon) enjoyable evening GG and as always much to my liking.
(10:06:45) (Raleigh) sad huh?
(10:06:46) (@host-GG) Leon, you must have been a wonderful father since your family is respectful and cautious
(10:07:15) (Raleigh) well ok gg / tx some much once again
(10:07:21) (Raleigh) your a dear / :)
(10:07:23) (@host-GG) Thank you Leon. And, Ral, don
(10:07:34) (Raleigh) knight you two ///
(10:07:39) (Leon) thank you ,, your comment is much appreciated
(10:07:45) (@host-GG) 't feel guilty, just be sure you learned your lessons well and do not repeat mistakes.
(10:08:23) (@host-GG) Goodnight, Leon. Thank you for coming.
(10:08:38) (Leon) goodnight
