Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 20, 2007 14:02:02 GMT -5
Monday Night Chat: 02-19-07
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(09:12:30) (Bill) i hope this wks. material is in english more so that last wks.
(09:13:11) (EM) Oh dear if it is not English I had better bow out!!!!
(09:13:20) (diane) I hope so too. only had elementary French
(09:14:11) (Bill) we've been hearing about mans conception into materiality and Adams bringing the female form into the material or something like that anyway :o)
(09:14:37) (EM) Hmmmmmmmm
(09:31:36) (Bill) : “Not my will but Thine, O Lord, be done in me and through me. Let me ever be a channel of blessings, today, now, to those that I contact in every way. Let my going in, my coming out be in accord with that Thou would have me do, and as the call comes, ‘Here am I, send me, use me!’ “. ( 262-3) Amen .
(09:31:55) (MaryAnne) Amen
(09:31:58) (Leon) amen
(09:31:58) (EM) Amen
(09:32:02) (ron) amen
(09:32:14) (Cris) Amen
(09:32:14) (diane) Amen
(09:32:33) (Rosie) Awomen
(09:32:43) (Bill) tonight its You are Forever Part 2
(09:33:14) (Bill) Amilius drew the body of Lilith from his own material body by dividing the positive and negative soul forces, using the negative to receive that material which the positive projected and maintained.
(09:33:42) (Bill) This method became the manner by which the Sons of God projected thought forms which companion souls entered. Spirit or the God within them breathed the breath upon them and they became living souls in the earth
(09:34:23) (Bill) It was the plan of Amilius to keep the soul forces under control by himself, directing the subjective quality of his own soul to fill the image of an ‘helpmeet’ or companion. He did not take into thought the influences that were already rampant in those who were experiencing and constantly building a force of flesh, and that the subjective created companion would be subject to other forces besides himself.
(09:35:15) (Bill) It was God’s command that he should not partake of this man-made creation, flesh, that was developing natures; it was not a part of God and could only be sustained for a period; it would eventually expend its energy and death would follow. Outside of God or the original Creator nothing can exist except for as long as man can sustain it.
(09:35:57) (Bill) If this line of creation were consistently followed, the soul could not sustain itself without contact with its Source, that which created it in the beginning. As the ‘Prodigal Son’ it would have spent its inheritance in riotous living. This was the very thing Amilius had come to prevent among those who were already far on the way to becoming beastly men, or able to associate only with the beast. (Luke 15:11-32)
(09:36:55) (Bill) The fleshly body of Lilith which Amilius had brought forth was not the same as the fleshly body of the animal, but had the same potential if the soul forces bent it in that direction. This was the Cross in its beginning; with it would come eventual death.
(09:37:27) (Bill) This becomes the ‘since of the world’, that Jesus as man overcame on Calvary. The first Son of God banished the influence of death from the soul; the first to reclaim the subjective soul force with the help of the soul that became the ‘helpmeet’, each acting with half of the whole soul force or as one soul in the earth.
(09:38:06) (Bill) In the virgin birth the positive and subjective in both Jesus and Mary were so balanced that they could draw on the whole soul forces of each. They were in command again, and death departed forever from them.
(09:38:49) (Bill) In the early stages of man’s experience the Sons of God were able to maintain their earth experiences indefinitely, but as they partook more and more of the earth influences the senses became more the master of the soul.
(09:39:48) (Bill) Emotions developed by the senses brought strong and adverse spiritual reactions, so that eventually the soul was forced to leave the body it had created, which now had become governed by the appetites. Genesis 6:3 speaks of this deterioration in spirit in this way: ‘My spirit will not always strive with man . . . yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years’.
(09:41:08) (Bill) As man continued to flaunt the spiritual laws, becoming more deeply involved in the material, the body became more dense, hardened and set; the spiritual forces became less and less active, and the life span was shortened to three score and ten. (Psalms 90:10) Why has the life span of humans decreased so greatly since Old Testament times?
(09:41:43) (Bill) “What was the length of life then? Nearly a thousand years. What is your life today? May it not be just as He has given, just as He indicated to those peoples, just as He did to the lawgiver, just as He did to David ~~ first from a thousand years to a hundred and twenty, then to seventy, then to eighty? Why? Shy? The sin of man is his desire for self-gratification.
(09:43:23) (Bill) maybe the s is actually and w Rosie you just must look closer :o)
(09:43:28) (Bill) “What nations of the earth today vibrate to those things that they have and are creating in their own land, their own environment? Look to the nations where the span of life has been extended from sixty to eighty-four years. You will judge who is serving God. These are judgments.
(09:44:00) (Bill) . These are signs to those who seek to know, who will study the heavens, who will analyze the elements, who will know the heart of man.” (3976-29)
(09:44:08) (Rosie) or maybe you're Mr. Fumble Fingers ;-)
(09:44:43) (Bill) [262-129] “In this period of man’s experience in the earth there is the greater need that he, man, consider the purposes (and the needs) of God in his daily life. There is the need for such thought, such meditation of this universal consciousness this field to be manifested by man’s love, man’s activity towards his fellow man.
(09:45:20) (Bill) For the basic truth is, ‘Inasmuch as ye do it unto the least of thy brethren, ye do it unto thy Maker.’ Man’s ability, man’s consciousness, man’s thought ~~ then ~~ must be directed more and more by those in authority, those in power, those as leaders, those as teachers, those as fathers and mothers, those as associated one with another, to those principles ~~ GOD ~~ LOVE ~~ MAN.” (262-129)
(09:45:44) (diane) LOL...fumble fingers
(09:45:53) (Bill) “Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be in the Christ Consciousness, that purgeth from all unrighteousness and maketh the body whole in His service.” (281-20)
(09:46:18) (Bill) Still among the people were those who had kept themselves apart from the entanglements and kept to the ideals as first given by Amilius before his fall as Adam.
(09:46:54) (Bill) “ . . . in the latter portion of this period of development, that that brought those dissentions and divisions among the peoples in the lands. With the attempts of those still in power, through those lineages of the pure, that had kept themselves intact as of the abilities of forces as were manifest in their activities, these builded rather those things that attempted to draw back those peoples;
(09:47:47) (Bill) ;; through first the various changes or seasons that came about, and in the latter portion of the experience of Amilius was the establishing of the altars upon which the sacrifices of field and forest, and those that were of that that satisfied the desires of the physical body were builded.” (364-4)
(09:48:29) (Bill) The symbolism used in Geneses 4:2-6 points out in a most spectacular manner the difference between the Sons of God and the sons of men: ‘And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground’. Jesus is referred to as the Good Shepherd, and He told His disciples to feed my sheep, feed my lambs’.
(09:49:05) (Bill) The ground is the symbol of material things; Cain was more concerned with the material, while Abel sought spiritual expression.
(09:49:24) (Bill) Let it be remembered that Cain was fathered by Eve’s association with the serpent, which is the symbol of wisdom misapplied; this is referred to later in the scriptures as with Judas, who became a Son of Perdition. The pathway of the two sons of Eve can be followed by this same symbology through the whole Bible.
(09:50:04) (mark) did Cayce say this?
(09:50:49) (Bill) which exactly are you refuring to?
(09:50:52) (Bill) The Cain and Abel incident points out that which had become the way of life for the people. Because of the deteriorating forces of spirit their activity had to come to an end. If they partook of the Tree of Knowledge they would surely die. Death must now be met in the material body.
(09:51:25) (mark) the evry last post befor i had ask
(09:51:25) (Anonymous1) All those who die are sons and daughters perdition.
(09:51:53) (Bill) Yes Mark this is a Cayce study
(09:52:17) (Bill) To gain and maintain a mental grasp of the creative and evolutionary processes, one must be able to change and reconstruct one’s thinking from time to time. That which we call time can be very confusing because of its instability. Time is able to stretch or rebound with the action of mind, so we must meet the record of time by keeping the mind flexible.
(09:52:21) (Lory) The paragraphs just before your question mark, was the comment of the author.
(09:52:23) (mark) ok Bill, was just checking
(09:53:02) (Anonymous1) Cayce didn't exactly give it thyat way.
(09:53:27) (Bill) Peter gives this word to the wise: ‘But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day.” (II Peter 3:8)
(09:54:02) (Bill) (II Peter 3:8)
(09:54:14) (Bill) In following the pathway of Amilius and Lilith, then as Adam and Eve through the earth, until they become Mary and Jesus, the time factor can become very elusive if we insist on pinning it down to fact.
(09:54:20) (Lory) All of Cayce's comments through the readings, are in quotation marks.
(09:55:04) (Bill) When using the symbolism as given in the Bible and the Edgar Cayce readings we are confronted by this component. Symbolism reviews the pageantry of man as he seeks his purpose and ideal on the varying highways of his experiences. When viewed from the point of the soul, time ceases to exist.
(09:55:46) (Bill) The experiences given are used as symbols which, while true, were also representational. Not only did they encompass the activity of the individual names or referred to, but showed that being experiences by all mankind under the influence being expressed at that period of man’s development.
(09:56:22) (Bill) As an example, the Garden of Eden was Atlantis with its great culture perfectly situated for man’s speedy evolution.
(09:56:35) (Bill) Adam and Eve symbolize the Sons of God and their activity.
(09:56:50) (Bill) Cain and Abel symbolize the division in the activity of the Sons of God,Cain becoming the emblem of the Son of Perdition.(loss or ruin)
(09:57:09) (Bill) Jacob and Esau represent the same rupture at a much later stage. We find ourselves startled that after thousands of years in the earth, man is still being tripped up by the misdirection of his purposes.
(09:57:32) (Bill) Esau remained a man of appetites and sold his birthright to satisfy his hunger for the material. Jacob was a tent-dweller, which suggests that he was a keeper of flocks and moved from place to place ~~ a keeper of sheep as was Abel, while Esau carried the mark of Cain.
(09:58:04) (Bill) The attitudes we hold in our day-by-day experiences and the moment-by-moment decisions made in each lifetime, as well as the attitudes held by our parents at the time of conception, build the soul vibrations that determine the birth channel, and the patterns we form here must be worked out in other lives or planes of understanding.
(09:58:47) (Bill) When the spiritual concepts, or ‘Commandments’, are kept, a finer and lighter and purer body is the result. A spiritual body is not dense nor hardened by earthiness. The light body, the body able to be filled with light, will be the resurrected body.
(09:59:22) (Bill) “In thy moments, then, let thy thoughts, thy purpose, thy hopes, thy desires, ever be towards that of light. Not as the light of the sun, or even of the stars, ~~ for these are but reflections of that GLORIOUS light which is in the Son of God, ~~ who is thy light, thy Brother, thy Lord, thy God.” (2067-1)
(09:59:53) (Bill) “Then, seek that such be even as He gave, a sign cannot be given ~~ may not be given ~~ to an adulterous, to a sinful generation; but only to those whose cry is oft, and sincere, ‘Create within me a righteousness, hear O God, and renew a righteous spirit within me!
(10:00:25) (mark) amen
(10:00:28) (Bill) “These are not words alone, but are as that which applied in one’s daily life may lead to an opening of the veil which enters into the holy of holies, ~~ even as that veil which was rent when His Spirit cried unto His God.
(10:00:53) (Bill) “Then, make that God ~~ His God ~~ thy God. What do ye worship? Might, spirit, power, impulse, hope, or what? Whose power seek ye? Thine own, or that in thy weakness ye may be made strong by His abiding light in thee?” (2067-1)
(10:01:37) (Bill) okay Roz is now ready for guestions
(10:03:46) (Bill) everyone up to speed now and have this all figured out?
(10:04:05) (mark) did Cayce every say what ever happen to Cain in the here and now?
(10:04:07) (MaryAnne) Not quite :o) but am working on it
(10:04:26) (Bill) how as souls we had the earth by the tail but wern't satisfied we had to project into materiality
(10:04:28) (EM) Oh boy!!!
(10:04:29) (Rosie) nice to have the symbolism explained for once
(10:04:38) (diane) when you were referring to the Time factor , Bill, it reminded me that it took 40 years for the Jews to get through a journey theat should have taken about 2 weeks
(10:05:15) (Rosie) but they didn't have buses then, diane ;-)
(10:05:22) (diane) all the foll de roll that went on in between...lol
(10:05:44) (diane) right, rosie. lol
(10:06:20) (Bill) yes Diane because ego took hold and instead of listneing to God and touching the rock the goober deside to bash the rocj with his cane to imporess the people in letting water come forth
(10:06:21) (Cris) How about camels?
(10:06:45) (EM) or Yaks
(10:07:09) (mark) did Cayce ever do a reading for the one known as Cain?
(10:07:24) (Bill) thats one of my faV. THINGS rOSIE IS HOW THE cAYCE READINGS EXPLAIN SOME OF THE SYMBOLISM FOR ME
(10:07:34) (Bill) darn caps :o)
(10:07:44) (Rosie) lol
(10:07:53) (EM) Oh I thought you were shouting
(10:07:54) (Bill) not that i remember Mark
(10:07:57) (Rosie) I heared ya already!
(10:08:18) (ron) he said that Cain was an earlier incarnation of Judas...and that sometime during the readings Judas had a reading...Cayce said this soul was a good one
(10:08:26) (Wanda) They should have stopped and asked directions
(10:08:36) (Bill) quit you complaining i'm the only host that never goes out of the road to use caps
(10:08:57) (ron) maybe my choice of words could be better, but i don't quite remember the quote
(10:09:20) (mark) thanks Ron
(10:09:43) (Bill) Rosie and you think i have fumble fingers
(10:10:28) (Rosie) who you referring to?
(10:10:46) (ron) a lot of mice around these days :)
(10:11:13) (diane) meaning the soul of Cain was a good one, ron?
(10:11:33) (Anonymous1) I thought Cayce said it was best to avoid that soul?
(10:11:41) (Bill) their all good souls Diane some just take time to come around
(10:11:49) (ron) yes...that is what i remember when i did some material on angels and archangels
(10:12:17) (diane) time and time again
(10:12:37) (ron) well, not as Cain diane
(10:13:04) (ron) has progressed some since than and apparently so after the Iscariot incarnation
(10:13:33) (diane) i was referring to Bill saying 'time to come around'
(10:13:42) (MaryAnne) I seem to remember Cayce also commented that he had seen many lands of destruction since tha ttime
(10:13:54) (ron) and, by the way, had an incarnation as known as the father of the tribe of Judah
(10:14:02) (mark) was he related to the Cayce's in this past one?
(10:14:15) (diane) Cain did, ron?
(10:14:55) (ron) yes, father of the Tribe of Judah, one of Jacob's/Isreal's sons....and as Iscariot
(10:15:06) (ron) same soul
(10:15:15) (Bill) there is no mention of any later incarnation of Cain in Cayce readings in my book on bible characters mentioned
(10:16:17) (Anonymous1) Judas and Cain are not in a single reading together.
(10:17:15) (ron) its mentioned in the book Edgar Cayce's Story of the Old Testament by Krajenke
(10:17:58) (ron) its a trilogy
(10:18:15) (ron) as matter of fact, refer to page 65
(10:18:39) (Bill) but is it a reading?
(10:18:55) (ron) you guys will have to do the rest
(10:19:08) (Anonymous1) What book?1,2 nor 3?
(10:19:13) (ron) book 1
(10:19:28) (Anonymous1) Not there.
(10:19:57) (Anonymous1) It deals with the school of the prophets.
(10:20:04) (Anonymous1) On that page.
(10:20:12) (Bill) or may Krajenke sermised it ? i've found differences in many Cayce books and when i do the only way i can figure it out is to search the readings myself
(10:20:37) (Mletombo) conjecture
(10:20:44) (ron) page 55...also page67
(10:21:22) (ron) don't argue with me...make your own choices
(10:21:38) (Anonymous1) Maybe Krajenke didn't give it either as it is not on those pages either.
(10:21:48) (ron) think what you wish
(10:22:00) (Anonymous1) If it's not there....it's not there.
(10:22:10) (Anonymous1) It's in print.
(10:22:19) (Anonymous1) It's black and white,.
(10:22:24) (Anonymous1) It's not there.
(10:22:28) (ron) it figures joey is back
(10:22:30) (Anonymous1) Easy enough to read.
(10:22:45) (Anonymous1) Fred
(10:22:47) (ron) don't know thing anyhow
(10:23:49) (ron) research and do form you own opinions...i tire easily with unresearched arguments
(10:24:01) (Anonymous1) I read the pages you gave.
(10:24:14) (Anonymous1) That information is not there.
(10:24:17) (ron) than form your own opinion
(10:24:28) (ron) you are not there either!
(10:24:29) (diane) i don't know your name, Anon, but ron's information is consistantly well researched
(10:24:45) (Anonymous1) It's not in the book.
(10:24:52) (Bill) i don't have those books because when i order them they were out of print
(10:25:03) (Anonymous1) He gave the page numbers that di9d not contain the informat6ion.
(10:25:07) (ron) you sound like a very ignorant person
(10:25:08) (Roz) and Krajanke is credible
(10:25:10) (Anonymous1) Not to well researched.
(10:25:23) (Anonymous1) As his information was incorrect.
(10:25:36) (ron) your brain is incorrect
(10:25:41) (Anonymous1) Yes the authour is credible.
(10:25:51) (diane) Sorry, but with the name of Anon, I can't personally rely on your say-so
(10:25:56) (ron) you sound like a delusional pot head
(10:26:06) (Anonymous1) The book is in front of me.
(10:26:12) (Bill) Ron that is not very becoming talk
(10:26:14) (Anonymous1) I read the pages he gave.
(10:26:22) (Anonymous1) The information was not there.
(10:26:23) (ron) you are BS
(10:27:08) (Anonymous1) I am only reading the pages you gave as reference ron.
(10:27:41) (Anonymous1) The information you said was on those pages was not there.
(10:28:00) (ron) then, not there...
(10:28:09) (Anonymous1) And Mr. Krajenke tends to stick to what Cayce gave.
(10:28:29) (Anonymous1) And Cayce did not give that information.
(10:29:00) (Anonymous1) Then why did you use those pages as your reference?
(10:29:24) (Anonymous1) To substanciate the information you gave?
(10:29:35) (diane) perhaps you have different editions of the book
(10:29:40) (Anonymous1) No.
(10:29:46) (Anonymous1) I do not believe so.
(10:29:50) (diane) no? how so sure?
(10:30:12) (Anonymous1) How are you sure your a woman?
(10:30:23) (Bill) they quit the printing in the 70tys
(10:30:24) (diane) I don't mean to be divisive here Anon
(10:30:29) (Anonymous1) Yes Bill.
(10:30:32) (diane) just inquiring
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(10:40:05) (mark) thanks for study Bill
(10:40:52) (Wanda) Good night all. Have a great week. Thank you Bill.
(10:43:25) (Mletombo) God says when you are weak ,that is when He is the strongest
(10:44:38) (Anne) God really did say that
(10:44:54) (diane) sure did
(10:45:02) (Bill) when our back is against the wall is generally when we cry out the loudest Mletombo
(10:45:15) (Mletombo) so say bye bye to that ego of yours
(10:47:00) (Mletombo) If you want to serve the Almighty Creator of All That is and Ever Was
(10:47:02) (JohnnyArrow) Ego bad. Brings death. God Good. Brings Life.
(10:47:11) (Mletombo) Amen
(10:47:56) (MaryAnne) I must go...very interesting information Bill....will have to spend some time ingesting it....thanks....goodnight all...sleep well
(10:48:48) (ALLIsASonewishes) ifn one wishes that which is according to the golden rule:)
(10:49:44) (Mletombo) Yes God makes no mistakes
(10:50:15) (Jacob) i enjoyed your study Bill...i'm out of time...thanks again
(10:50:25) (ALLIsASonewishes) sometimes it looks like i am connected but not...but if u all would be talkin more i would know better:)
(10:52:12) (Mletombo) I had a dream
(10:52:40) (Bill) love to hear it
(10:52:59) (Anne) me too
(10:54:08) (JohnnyArrow) You are here
(10:54:16) (Mletombo) Joey said look up there is a new constellation it has sixteen stars
(10:55:18) (Anne) dream someone had a dream
(10:55:26) (Mletombo) I looked up to see what looked like two strands of pearls in the overhead night sky one strand on top of another seperated by some space
(10:56:20) (Mletombo) as I watched the stars started to fill inthe spaces where the pearls were located in hte strands
(10:56:43) (Mletombo) Joey said it takes some time for the lights to come on
(10:56:43) (Anne) pearls are wisdom
(10:57:06) (Mletombo) thanks Anne good one
(10:58:01) (Mletombo) as I watched the space between the two strands took on the form of two individuals standing shoulder to shoulder
(10:58:01) (Anne) takes a long time to develope a perfect one
(10:59:14) (Mletombo) the dream changed and I was by the side of the road and a woman was having cae problems and I was there to help
(10:59:57) (diane) those cae probs are bad
(11:00:14) (Mletombo) someone that she knew came along and he offered to help her but wanted nothing to do with me they left
(11:00:53) (Mletombo) I looked at the constellation and now it had changed to two angels standing shoulder to shoulder
(11:01:04) (diane) thanks for the chat, Bill, and feel better!
(11:02:45) (Mletombo) I drifeted off to sleep again ,when I woke up the constellation had changed again ,now it was the worlds image of what the world believes the two tablets with the ten commandments must look like ,the end
(11:03:23) (Anne) most angels are shoulder to shoulder
(11:03:23) (Mletombo) friend to mankind kazu
(11:03:29) (kazu) ok
(11:05:07) (Mletombo) dreamin made easy everyone has the interpretation of this on e
(11:05:48) (Anne) ego
(11:06:00) (Mletombo) Truth
(11:06:21) (Anne) ok
(11:07:08) (Mletombo) power of pryer
(11:08:16) (Anonymous) the 2 rows of pearls are your teeth in 2 rows in your mouth; that part of you which gives expression is set in the Great Deep; you must bring that part forth; express only that which has its source in the better angels of your nature; keep the Law
(11:09:14) (Bill) Love and Light to each of you for Being sleep well ty for sharing FTM and you as well Anon
(09:12:30) (Bill) i hope this wks. material is in english more so that last wks.
(09:13:11) (EM) Oh dear if it is not English I had better bow out!!!!
(09:13:20) (diane) I hope so too. only had elementary French
(09:14:11) (Bill) we've been hearing about mans conception into materiality and Adams bringing the female form into the material or something like that anyway :o)
(09:14:37) (EM) Hmmmmmmmm
(09:31:36) (Bill) : “Not my will but Thine, O Lord, be done in me and through me. Let me ever be a channel of blessings, today, now, to those that I contact in every way. Let my going in, my coming out be in accord with that Thou would have me do, and as the call comes, ‘Here am I, send me, use me!’ “. ( 262-3) Amen .
(09:31:55) (MaryAnne) Amen
(09:31:58) (Leon) amen
(09:31:58) (EM) Amen
(09:32:02) (ron) amen
(09:32:14) (Cris) Amen
(09:32:14) (diane) Amen
(09:32:33) (Rosie) Awomen
(09:32:43) (Bill) tonight its You are Forever Part 2
(09:33:14) (Bill) Amilius drew the body of Lilith from his own material body by dividing the positive and negative soul forces, using the negative to receive that material which the positive projected and maintained.
(09:33:42) (Bill) This method became the manner by which the Sons of God projected thought forms which companion souls entered. Spirit or the God within them breathed the breath upon them and they became living souls in the earth
(09:34:23) (Bill) It was the plan of Amilius to keep the soul forces under control by himself, directing the subjective quality of his own soul to fill the image of an ‘helpmeet’ or companion. He did not take into thought the influences that were already rampant in those who were experiencing and constantly building a force of flesh, and that the subjective created companion would be subject to other forces besides himself.
(09:35:15) (Bill) It was God’s command that he should not partake of this man-made creation, flesh, that was developing natures; it was not a part of God and could only be sustained for a period; it would eventually expend its energy and death would follow. Outside of God or the original Creator nothing can exist except for as long as man can sustain it.
(09:35:57) (Bill) If this line of creation were consistently followed, the soul could not sustain itself without contact with its Source, that which created it in the beginning. As the ‘Prodigal Son’ it would have spent its inheritance in riotous living. This was the very thing Amilius had come to prevent among those who were already far on the way to becoming beastly men, or able to associate only with the beast. (Luke 15:11-32)
(09:36:55) (Bill) The fleshly body of Lilith which Amilius had brought forth was not the same as the fleshly body of the animal, but had the same potential if the soul forces bent it in that direction. This was the Cross in its beginning; with it would come eventual death.
(09:37:27) (Bill) This becomes the ‘since of the world’, that Jesus as man overcame on Calvary. The first Son of God banished the influence of death from the soul; the first to reclaim the subjective soul force with the help of the soul that became the ‘helpmeet’, each acting with half of the whole soul force or as one soul in the earth.
(09:38:06) (Bill) In the virgin birth the positive and subjective in both Jesus and Mary were so balanced that they could draw on the whole soul forces of each. They were in command again, and death departed forever from them.
(09:38:49) (Bill) In the early stages of man’s experience the Sons of God were able to maintain their earth experiences indefinitely, but as they partook more and more of the earth influences the senses became more the master of the soul.
(09:39:48) (Bill) Emotions developed by the senses brought strong and adverse spiritual reactions, so that eventually the soul was forced to leave the body it had created, which now had become governed by the appetites. Genesis 6:3 speaks of this deterioration in spirit in this way: ‘My spirit will not always strive with man . . . yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years’.
(09:41:08) (Bill) As man continued to flaunt the spiritual laws, becoming more deeply involved in the material, the body became more dense, hardened and set; the spiritual forces became less and less active, and the life span was shortened to three score and ten. (Psalms 90:10) Why has the life span of humans decreased so greatly since Old Testament times?
(09:41:43) (Bill) “What was the length of life then? Nearly a thousand years. What is your life today? May it not be just as He has given, just as He indicated to those peoples, just as He did to the lawgiver, just as He did to David ~~ first from a thousand years to a hundred and twenty, then to seventy, then to eighty? Why? Shy? The sin of man is his desire for self-gratification.
(09:43:23) (Bill) maybe the s is actually and w Rosie you just must look closer :o)
(09:43:28) (Bill) “What nations of the earth today vibrate to those things that they have and are creating in their own land, their own environment? Look to the nations where the span of life has been extended from sixty to eighty-four years. You will judge who is serving God. These are judgments.
(09:44:00) (Bill) . These are signs to those who seek to know, who will study the heavens, who will analyze the elements, who will know the heart of man.” (3976-29)
(09:44:08) (Rosie) or maybe you're Mr. Fumble Fingers ;-)
(09:44:43) (Bill) [262-129] “In this period of man’s experience in the earth there is the greater need that he, man, consider the purposes (and the needs) of God in his daily life. There is the need for such thought, such meditation of this universal consciousness this field to be manifested by man’s love, man’s activity towards his fellow man.
(09:45:20) (Bill) For the basic truth is, ‘Inasmuch as ye do it unto the least of thy brethren, ye do it unto thy Maker.’ Man’s ability, man’s consciousness, man’s thought ~~ then ~~ must be directed more and more by those in authority, those in power, those as leaders, those as teachers, those as fathers and mothers, those as associated one with another, to those principles ~~ GOD ~~ LOVE ~~ MAN.” (262-129)
(09:45:44) (diane) LOL...fumble fingers
(09:45:53) (Bill) “Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be in the Christ Consciousness, that purgeth from all unrighteousness and maketh the body whole in His service.” (281-20)
(09:46:18) (Bill) Still among the people were those who had kept themselves apart from the entanglements and kept to the ideals as first given by Amilius before his fall as Adam.
(09:46:54) (Bill) “ . . . in the latter portion of this period of development, that that brought those dissentions and divisions among the peoples in the lands. With the attempts of those still in power, through those lineages of the pure, that had kept themselves intact as of the abilities of forces as were manifest in their activities, these builded rather those things that attempted to draw back those peoples;
(09:47:47) (Bill) ;; through first the various changes or seasons that came about, and in the latter portion of the experience of Amilius was the establishing of the altars upon which the sacrifices of field and forest, and those that were of that that satisfied the desires of the physical body were builded.” (364-4)
(09:48:29) (Bill) The symbolism used in Geneses 4:2-6 points out in a most spectacular manner the difference between the Sons of God and the sons of men: ‘And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground’. Jesus is referred to as the Good Shepherd, and He told His disciples to feed my sheep, feed my lambs’.
(09:49:05) (Bill) The ground is the symbol of material things; Cain was more concerned with the material, while Abel sought spiritual expression.
(09:49:24) (Bill) Let it be remembered that Cain was fathered by Eve’s association with the serpent, which is the symbol of wisdom misapplied; this is referred to later in the scriptures as with Judas, who became a Son of Perdition. The pathway of the two sons of Eve can be followed by this same symbology through the whole Bible.
(09:50:04) (mark) did Cayce say this?
(09:50:49) (Bill) which exactly are you refuring to?
(09:50:52) (Bill) The Cain and Abel incident points out that which had become the way of life for the people. Because of the deteriorating forces of spirit their activity had to come to an end. If they partook of the Tree of Knowledge they would surely die. Death must now be met in the material body.
(09:51:25) (mark) the evry last post befor i had ask
(09:51:25) (Anonymous1) All those who die are sons and daughters perdition.
(09:51:53) (Bill) Yes Mark this is a Cayce study
(09:52:17) (Bill) To gain and maintain a mental grasp of the creative and evolutionary processes, one must be able to change and reconstruct one’s thinking from time to time. That which we call time can be very confusing because of its instability. Time is able to stretch or rebound with the action of mind, so we must meet the record of time by keeping the mind flexible.
(09:52:21) (Lory) The paragraphs just before your question mark, was the comment of the author.
(09:52:23) (mark) ok Bill, was just checking
(09:53:02) (Anonymous1) Cayce didn't exactly give it thyat way.
(09:53:27) (Bill) Peter gives this word to the wise: ‘But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day.” (II Peter 3:8)
(09:54:02) (Bill) (II Peter 3:8)
(09:54:14) (Bill) In following the pathway of Amilius and Lilith, then as Adam and Eve through the earth, until they become Mary and Jesus, the time factor can become very elusive if we insist on pinning it down to fact.
(09:54:20) (Lory) All of Cayce's comments through the readings, are in quotation marks.
(09:55:04) (Bill) When using the symbolism as given in the Bible and the Edgar Cayce readings we are confronted by this component. Symbolism reviews the pageantry of man as he seeks his purpose and ideal on the varying highways of his experiences. When viewed from the point of the soul, time ceases to exist.
(09:55:46) (Bill) The experiences given are used as symbols which, while true, were also representational. Not only did they encompass the activity of the individual names or referred to, but showed that being experiences by all mankind under the influence being expressed at that period of man’s development.
(09:56:22) (Bill) As an example, the Garden of Eden was Atlantis with its great culture perfectly situated for man’s speedy evolution.
(09:56:35) (Bill) Adam and Eve symbolize the Sons of God and their activity.
(09:56:50) (Bill) Cain and Abel symbolize the division in the activity of the Sons of God,Cain becoming the emblem of the Son of Perdition.(loss or ruin)
(09:57:09) (Bill) Jacob and Esau represent the same rupture at a much later stage. We find ourselves startled that after thousands of years in the earth, man is still being tripped up by the misdirection of his purposes.
(09:57:32) (Bill) Esau remained a man of appetites and sold his birthright to satisfy his hunger for the material. Jacob was a tent-dweller, which suggests that he was a keeper of flocks and moved from place to place ~~ a keeper of sheep as was Abel, while Esau carried the mark of Cain.
(09:58:04) (Bill) The attitudes we hold in our day-by-day experiences and the moment-by-moment decisions made in each lifetime, as well as the attitudes held by our parents at the time of conception, build the soul vibrations that determine the birth channel, and the patterns we form here must be worked out in other lives or planes of understanding.
(09:58:47) (Bill) When the spiritual concepts, or ‘Commandments’, are kept, a finer and lighter and purer body is the result. A spiritual body is not dense nor hardened by earthiness. The light body, the body able to be filled with light, will be the resurrected body.
(09:59:22) (Bill) “In thy moments, then, let thy thoughts, thy purpose, thy hopes, thy desires, ever be towards that of light. Not as the light of the sun, or even of the stars, ~~ for these are but reflections of that GLORIOUS light which is in the Son of God, ~~ who is thy light, thy Brother, thy Lord, thy God.” (2067-1)
(09:59:53) (Bill) “Then, seek that such be even as He gave, a sign cannot be given ~~ may not be given ~~ to an adulterous, to a sinful generation; but only to those whose cry is oft, and sincere, ‘Create within me a righteousness, hear O God, and renew a righteous spirit within me!
(10:00:25) (mark) amen
(10:00:28) (Bill) “These are not words alone, but are as that which applied in one’s daily life may lead to an opening of the veil which enters into the holy of holies, ~~ even as that veil which was rent when His Spirit cried unto His God.
(10:00:53) (Bill) “Then, make that God ~~ His God ~~ thy God. What do ye worship? Might, spirit, power, impulse, hope, or what? Whose power seek ye? Thine own, or that in thy weakness ye may be made strong by His abiding light in thee?” (2067-1)
(10:01:37) (Bill) okay Roz is now ready for guestions
(10:03:46) (Bill) everyone up to speed now and have this all figured out?
(10:04:05) (mark) did Cayce every say what ever happen to Cain in the here and now?
(10:04:07) (MaryAnne) Not quite :o) but am working on it
(10:04:26) (Bill) how as souls we had the earth by the tail but wern't satisfied we had to project into materiality
(10:04:28) (EM) Oh boy!!!
(10:04:29) (Rosie) nice to have the symbolism explained for once
(10:04:38) (diane) when you were referring to the Time factor , Bill, it reminded me that it took 40 years for the Jews to get through a journey theat should have taken about 2 weeks
(10:05:15) (Rosie) but they didn't have buses then, diane ;-)
(10:05:22) (diane) all the foll de roll that went on in between...lol
(10:05:44) (diane) right, rosie. lol
(10:06:20) (Bill) yes Diane because ego took hold and instead of listneing to God and touching the rock the goober deside to bash the rocj with his cane to imporess the people in letting water come forth
(10:06:21) (Cris) How about camels?
(10:06:45) (EM) or Yaks
(10:07:09) (mark) did Cayce ever do a reading for the one known as Cain?
(10:07:24) (Bill) thats one of my faV. THINGS rOSIE IS HOW THE cAYCE READINGS EXPLAIN SOME OF THE SYMBOLISM FOR ME
(10:07:34) (Bill) darn caps :o)
(10:07:44) (Rosie) lol
(10:07:53) (EM) Oh I thought you were shouting
(10:07:54) (Bill) not that i remember Mark
(10:07:57) (Rosie) I heared ya already!
(10:08:18) (ron) he said that Cain was an earlier incarnation of Judas...and that sometime during the readings Judas had a reading...Cayce said this soul was a good one
(10:08:26) (Wanda) They should have stopped and asked directions
(10:08:36) (Bill) quit you complaining i'm the only host that never goes out of the road to use caps
(10:08:57) (ron) maybe my choice of words could be better, but i don't quite remember the quote
(10:09:20) (mark) thanks Ron
(10:09:43) (Bill) Rosie and you think i have fumble fingers
(10:10:28) (Rosie) who you referring to?
(10:10:46) (ron) a lot of mice around these days :)
(10:11:13) (diane) meaning the soul of Cain was a good one, ron?
(10:11:33) (Anonymous1) I thought Cayce said it was best to avoid that soul?
(10:11:41) (Bill) their all good souls Diane some just take time to come around
(10:11:49) (ron) yes...that is what i remember when i did some material on angels and archangels
(10:12:17) (diane) time and time again
(10:12:37) (ron) well, not as Cain diane
(10:13:04) (ron) has progressed some since than and apparently so after the Iscariot incarnation
(10:13:33) (diane) i was referring to Bill saying 'time to come around'
(10:13:42) (MaryAnne) I seem to remember Cayce also commented that he had seen many lands of destruction since tha ttime
(10:13:54) (ron) and, by the way, had an incarnation as known as the father of the tribe of Judah
(10:14:02) (mark) was he related to the Cayce's in this past one?
(10:14:15) (diane) Cain did, ron?
(10:14:55) (ron) yes, father of the Tribe of Judah, one of Jacob's/Isreal's sons....and as Iscariot
(10:15:06) (ron) same soul
(10:15:15) (Bill) there is no mention of any later incarnation of Cain in Cayce readings in my book on bible characters mentioned
(10:16:17) (Anonymous1) Judas and Cain are not in a single reading together.
(10:17:15) (ron) its mentioned in the book Edgar Cayce's Story of the Old Testament by Krajenke
(10:17:58) (ron) its a trilogy
(10:18:15) (ron) as matter of fact, refer to page 65
(10:18:39) (Bill) but is it a reading?
(10:18:55) (ron) you guys will have to do the rest
(10:19:08) (Anonymous1) What book?1,2 nor 3?
(10:19:13) (ron) book 1
(10:19:28) (Anonymous1) Not there.
(10:19:57) (Anonymous1) It deals with the school of the prophets.
(10:20:04) (Anonymous1) On that page.
(10:20:12) (Bill) or may Krajenke sermised it ? i've found differences in many Cayce books and when i do the only way i can figure it out is to search the readings myself
(10:20:37) (Mletombo) conjecture
(10:20:44) (ron) page 55...also page67
(10:21:22) (ron) don't argue with me...make your own choices
(10:21:38) (Anonymous1) Maybe Krajenke didn't give it either as it is not on those pages either.
(10:21:48) (ron) think what you wish
(10:22:00) (Anonymous1) If it's not there....it's not there.
(10:22:10) (Anonymous1) It's in print.
(10:22:19) (Anonymous1) It's black and white,.
(10:22:24) (Anonymous1) It's not there.
(10:22:28) (ron) it figures joey is back
(10:22:30) (Anonymous1) Easy enough to read.
(10:22:45) (Anonymous1) Fred
(10:22:47) (ron) don't know thing anyhow
(10:23:49) (ron) research and do form you own opinions...i tire easily with unresearched arguments
(10:24:01) (Anonymous1) I read the pages you gave.
(10:24:14) (Anonymous1) That information is not there.
(10:24:17) (ron) than form your own opinion
(10:24:28) (ron) you are not there either!
(10:24:29) (diane) i don't know your name, Anon, but ron's information is consistantly well researched
(10:24:45) (Anonymous1) It's not in the book.
(10:24:52) (Bill) i don't have those books because when i order them they were out of print
(10:25:03) (Anonymous1) He gave the page numbers that di9d not contain the informat6ion.
(10:25:07) (ron) you sound like a very ignorant person
(10:25:08) (Roz) and Krajanke is credible
(10:25:10) (Anonymous1) Not to well researched.
(10:25:23) (Anonymous1) As his information was incorrect.
(10:25:36) (ron) your brain is incorrect
(10:25:41) (Anonymous1) Yes the authour is credible.
(10:25:51) (diane) Sorry, but with the name of Anon, I can't personally rely on your say-so
(10:25:56) (ron) you sound like a delusional pot head
(10:26:06) (Anonymous1) The book is in front of me.
(10:26:12) (Bill) Ron that is not very becoming talk
(10:26:14) (Anonymous1) I read the pages he gave.
(10:26:22) (Anonymous1) The information was not there.
(10:26:23) (ron) you are BS
(10:27:08) (Anonymous1) I am only reading the pages you gave as reference ron.
(10:27:41) (Anonymous1) The information you said was on those pages was not there.
(10:28:00) (ron) then, not there...
(10:28:09) (Anonymous1) And Mr. Krajenke tends to stick to what Cayce gave.
(10:28:29) (Anonymous1) And Cayce did not give that information.
(10:29:00) (Anonymous1) Then why did you use those pages as your reference?
(10:29:24) (Anonymous1) To substanciate the information you gave?
(10:29:35) (diane) perhaps you have different editions of the book
(10:29:40) (Anonymous1) No.
(10:29:46) (Anonymous1) I do not believe so.
(10:29:50) (diane) no? how so sure?
(10:30:12) (Anonymous1) How are you sure your a woman?
(10:30:23) (Bill) they quit the printing in the 70tys
(10:30:24) (diane) I don't mean to be divisive here Anon
(10:30:29) (Anonymous1) Yes Bill.
(10:30:32) (diane) just inquiring
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(10:40:05) (mark) thanks for study Bill
(10:40:52) (Wanda) Good night all. Have a great week. Thank you Bill.
(10:43:25) (Mletombo) God says when you are weak ,that is when He is the strongest
(10:44:38) (Anne) God really did say that
(10:44:54) (diane) sure did
(10:45:02) (Bill) when our back is against the wall is generally when we cry out the loudest Mletombo
(10:45:15) (Mletombo) so say bye bye to that ego of yours
(10:47:00) (Mletombo) If you want to serve the Almighty Creator of All That is and Ever Was
(10:47:02) (JohnnyArrow) Ego bad. Brings death. God Good. Brings Life.
(10:47:11) (Mletombo) Amen
(10:47:56) (MaryAnne) I must go...very interesting information Bill....will have to spend some time ingesting it....thanks....goodnight all...sleep well
(10:48:48) (ALLIsASonewishes) ifn one wishes that which is according to the golden rule:)
(10:49:44) (Mletombo) Yes God makes no mistakes
(10:50:15) (Jacob) i enjoyed your study Bill...i'm out of time...thanks again
(10:50:25) (ALLIsASonewishes) sometimes it looks like i am connected but not...but if u all would be talkin more i would know better:)
(10:52:12) (Mletombo) I had a dream
(10:52:40) (Bill) love to hear it
(10:52:59) (Anne) me too
(10:54:08) (JohnnyArrow) You are here
(10:54:16) (Mletombo) Joey said look up there is a new constellation it has sixteen stars
(10:55:18) (Anne) dream someone had a dream
(10:55:26) (Mletombo) I looked up to see what looked like two strands of pearls in the overhead night sky one strand on top of another seperated by some space
(10:56:20) (Mletombo) as I watched the stars started to fill inthe spaces where the pearls were located in hte strands
(10:56:43) (Mletombo) Joey said it takes some time for the lights to come on
(10:56:43) (Anne) pearls are wisdom
(10:57:06) (Mletombo) thanks Anne good one
(10:58:01) (Mletombo) as I watched the space between the two strands took on the form of two individuals standing shoulder to shoulder
(10:58:01) (Anne) takes a long time to develope a perfect one
(10:59:14) (Mletombo) the dream changed and I was by the side of the road and a woman was having cae problems and I was there to help
(10:59:57) (diane) those cae probs are bad
(11:00:14) (Mletombo) someone that she knew came along and he offered to help her but wanted nothing to do with me they left
(11:00:53) (Mletombo) I looked at the constellation and now it had changed to two angels standing shoulder to shoulder
(11:01:04) (diane) thanks for the chat, Bill, and feel better!
(11:02:45) (Mletombo) I drifeted off to sleep again ,when I woke up the constellation had changed again ,now it was the worlds image of what the world believes the two tablets with the ten commandments must look like ,the end
(11:03:23) (Anne) most angels are shoulder to shoulder
(11:03:23) (Mletombo) friend to mankind kazu
(11:03:29) (kazu) ok
(11:05:07) (Mletombo) dreamin made easy everyone has the interpretation of this on e
(11:05:48) (Anne) ego
(11:06:00) (Mletombo) Truth
(11:06:21) (Anne) ok
(11:07:08) (Mletombo) power of pryer
(11:08:16) (Anonymous) the 2 rows of pearls are your teeth in 2 rows in your mouth; that part of you which gives expression is set in the Great Deep; you must bring that part forth; express only that which has its source in the better angels of your nature; keep the Law
(11:09:14) (Bill) Love and Light to each of you for Being sleep well ty for sharing FTM and you as well Anon
