Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 30, 2006 23:11:20 GMT -5
Monday Night Chat: 10-30-06
(09:30:46) (Bill) Okay guess we can get mobile now that everone is focused :o)
(09:30:53) (Bill) : God, be merciful to me! Help thou my unbelief! Let me see in Him that Thou would have me see in my fellow man. Let me see in my brother that I see in Him whom I worship. (262-11). Amen
(09:30:59) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:09) (ron) amen
(09:31:10) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:10) (merri) Amen
(09:31:11) (Roz) Amen
(09:31:17) (MaryAnne) Amen
(09:31:22) (Blu) Amen
(09:31:46) (Wanda) Amen
(09:32:22) (Bill) River of Time part 2 chapter 1 cont.
(09:32:36) (Bill) On the continent of Lemuria and Da, plant and animal bodies had been taking form through eons of time before the advent of the physical body of man.
(09:33:01) (Bill) “Let it be remembered or not confused, that the earth was peopled by animals before peopled by man.” (364-6)
(09:33:28) (Bill) The activities of the children of darkness had polluted the true animal forms into what would satisfy their own ideas of expression. Grotesque forms in size and stature were created, but also some which were very beautiful in form and color. The dinosaur and the huge reptile-like animals were the aftermath of this age of creation.
(09:33:59) (Blu) knew that they were not the normal thing god would create
(09:34:12) (Bill) The earth was cleared of these by the great flood caused by the shifting of the poles. The change of temperature from tropical to frigid left many frozen and well-preserved animals, which have been discovered in the recent past in areas of our northern wastelands.
(09:34:43) (Cris) Fossils!
(09:34:48) (Bill) We still have with us assorted results of this misuse of Divine Law in the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms. The viciousness and cannibalistic nature of some animals and primitive men toward man and toward other animals is the result of that which was wrongly instilled into them.
(09:34:52) (Roz) children of darkness those that the fallen angels procreated?
(09:35:43) (Bill) . In the insect world this misuse left forces of hate, as in the sting of the bee, the poison of the scorpion, and the bite of the ant. In plants it left the stinging nettle, poison ivy, and allergy-arousing elements that extend also to minerals and metals.
(09:36:10) (Bill) These conditions were not in the earth in the days of its “heavenly state of consciousness” and when God created the heaven and the earth, and must some day be met and the prophecy fulfilled, that “the lion will lie down with the lamb”.
(09:36:41) (Bill) “Q-11-12: From the following, does it mean that minerals, vegetation, and animals evolve into supreme degrees of minerals, vegetation, and animals? . . .
(09:37:10) (Bill) “A-12: “. . . You have reincarnation. There you have evolution. There you have the mineral kingdom, the plant kingdom, and the animal kingdom, each developing towards its own source, yet all belonging and becoming one in that force, as it develops itself to become one with the Creative Energy and one with God . . .
(09:38:15) (Bill) Each, as the geological survey shows held it sway in the earth, and passing from one into the other, yet man was given to be the lord over all, and the only survivor of that creation.” (900-340)
(09:38:54) (Bill) “In animal is that as appertains to the consciousness of the animal mind, with spirit. As in man, that is of consciousness co-related with man’s development, or the higher elements of mind and matter. Hence, man developed, becomes lord and master over the animal kingdom. Man degraded becomes the companion, the equal with the best or the beastly man.” (900-31, A-5)
(09:39:51) (Bill) (364-7) “In this period or age, as was seen ~~ there is fault of words here to project that as actually occurs in the formations of that as comes about. There was, with the will of that as came into being through the correct channels, of that as created by the Creator, that of the continuing of souls in its proj4ction and projection ~~ see?
(09:40:28) (Roz) no I dont see
(09:40:56) (Lory) Me too, Roz. But he did say there is fault of words here.
(09:41:10) (Bill) “While in that as was of the offspring, of that as pushed itself into form to satisfy, gratify, that of the desire of that known as the carnal forces of the senses, of those created, there continued to be the war one with another, and there were then ~~ from other sources (worlds) the continuing entering of those that would make for the keeping of the balance,
(09:41:53) (Roz) aha!!
(09:41:57) (Bill) as of the first purpose of the Creative Forces, as it magnifies itself in that sphere of activity, of that that had been given the ability to create with its own activity, See? And hence the second, or the continued entering of souls into that known as the earth’s plane during this period, for that activity as was brought about.
(09:42:52) (Bill) “Let’s remember that as was given, in the second, third from Adam, or fourth from Amilius, there was ‘In that day did they call upon the name of the Lord’ ~~ is right, and ever, when the elements that make for littleness, uncleanness, are crucified in the body, the Spirit of the Lord, of God, is present! When these are overbalanced, so that the body (physical) the mental man, the imagination of its heart, is evil, or his purpose is evil, then is that was continuing ~~ as from the beginning.
(09:45:04) (Bill) Just the continued warring of those things within self as from the beginning; for with these changes as brought sin into the world, with the same came the fruits of same, or the seed as of sin, which we see in the material world as those things that corrupt the elements that were of the compounds of those of first causes, or elementals, and pests are seen ~~ and the like, see?
(09:45:46) (Bill) “So does it follow throughout all creative forces, that the fruits of that as is active brings that seed that makes for the corrupting of, or the clearing of, in the activative forces of, that being acted upon.” (364-7)
(09:46:19) (Bill) Upon the rapid entering into the earth of souls with creative ability and ability to control the elements and to build in their own images, did Amilius take upon himself the material body and assume the responsibility of trying to bring order out of chaos.
(09:46:49) (Bill) “As the [Atlantean] peoples were peaceful peoples their developments took on rather that form ~~ with the developing into the physical material bodies ~~ of the fast development, or to the using of the elements about them to their own use; recognizing themselves to be a part of that about them.” (364-4}
(09:47:32) (Bill) “We find that in those period there was not a laboring for the sustenance of life (as in the present) but, rather, individuals who are children of the Law of One and some who were the children of Belial (in the early experience) ~~ were served by automatons, or things, that were retained by individuals or groups to do the labors of a household or to cultivate the fields or the like, or to perform the activities of artisans or the like.
(09:48:15) (Bill) And these were those activities through which much of the disturbing forces grew to be factors to be reckoned with, between the children of the Law of One and the sons of Belial. For these were the representations of what in the present experience would be termed good and evil, or a spiritual thought and purpose and a material thought or desire or purpose.” (1968-2)
(09:49:08) (Bill) “In these things then did Amilius see the beginning of, and the abilities of, those of his own age, era, or period, not only able to build that as able to transpose, or build up the elements about them, but to transpose them bodily from one portion of the universe to another, through the uses of not only those recently re-discovered gases, and those of the electrical and aeriatic formation
(09:49:57) (Bill) ~~ in the breaking up the atomic forces to produce impelling force to those means and modes of transportation, or of travel, or of lifting large weights, or of changing the faces or forces of nature itself, but with these transpositions, with these changes that came in as personalities, we find these as the Sons of the Creative Forces manifest in their experience looking upon those changed forms,
(09:50:34) (Bill) or the daughters of men, and there crept in those pollutions, of polluting themselves with those mixtures that brought contempt, hatred, bloodshed, and those that build for desires of self without respect of others’ freedom, others’ wishes ~~ and there began, then, in the latter portion of this period of development, that that brought about those dissenting and divisions among The peoples in the lands.” (364-4)
(09:51:15) (Bill) “ . . . destructive forces were imminent through the falling away of the people and the uprising of the sons of Belial . . . made for the drawing of lines.” (608.7}
(09:51:34) (Bill) “ . . . divisions between those of the Law of One and the sons of Belial, and the offspring of what was the pure race and those that had projected themselves into creatures that became the sons of men (as the terminology would be )rather than the creatures of God.” (1416-1)
(09:52:08) (Bill) God had imaged a more suitable, perfect, physical body for His children, with which to experience the material earth. But imperfections came as the result of the rebellion our souls built as we reached to possess and make our own the precious gift of WILL. We failed to follow Divine Law and became laws unto ourselves.
(09:52:43) (Bill) The cross is the symbol of this rebellion, of our going against the will of God and failing to follow the perfect law. The wooden cross is the symbol of the misuse of spiritual law when applied to the material. Our bodies are in the form of the cross which we bear, indicating our violation of spiritual law in ourselves. Some time we must meet and overcome all adulterations.
(09:53:39) (Bill) Amilius, a Son of God in the earth at this time, had become aware of the turning from Divine Law by those around him, and was concerned for the soul life of those who were in rebellion against God. He offered himself to lead the way back, to take upon himself the very conditions which were overcoming to many Sons of god. He knew he must become as one of them, to experience that which brought in these corruptions.
(09:54:09) (Amen-Ta) That doesn't quite jive with the Cayce Material about the cross.
(09:54:40) (Bill) He realized he must hold to the Divine Image and from within himself build and eternalize a perfect body after God’s pattern. He was a soul like you and me, but one without sin, and so completely aware of His Divine Nature that he was one with the spirit of Christ. This he knew, and grimly grounded in the spirit of Christ, he offered himself to mankind,
(09:55:19) (Bill) , knowing that what he purposed would take many lifetimes, and that death was the last requirement that must be overcome.
(09:55:27) (Peter_V) I thought Amilius WAS Christ....the Christ soul, to be later known as Jesus.
(09:55:39) (WalksInSpirit) Yep, Peter
(09:55:51) (Bill) Jesus wasn't Christ He bacame the Christ
(09:55:54) (Amen-Ta) No Amilias was not Christ.
(09:56:17) (Bill) The following reading will give an insight into the kind of thought-form creations that were taking place among the children of God in this period: “In the period, then some hundred and ninety-eight thousand years before the entry of Ram into India, there lived in this land of Atlantis one Amilius,
(09:56:17) (Amen-Ta) Yes Bill through the loss of self in doing the Fathers Will.
(09:57:09) (Bill) who had first noted that the separations of the beings as inhabited that portion of the earth’s sphere or plane of those peoples, into male and female as separate entities or individuals. As to their forms in the physical sense, these were rather of the nature of thought forms,
(09:57:42) (Bill) or able to push out of themselves in that direction in which its development took shape in thought ~~ much in the way and manner as the amoeba would in the waters of a stagnant bay or lake in the present.” (364-3)
(09:58:24) (Peter_V) Hehe, surprised how well I remember this reading after 10 years :)
(09:58:38) (Bill) In the early stages of man’s material involvement the body was ore as a shadow which could take on form from that which the mind imaged, much as we now plan a dress or a building or anything we desire to bring into form in our lives.
(09:59:19) (Bill) In the Edgar Cayce readings this period is shown to be a few million years ago. A life reading for a young girl gave her first appearance in the earth as 10,500,000 years ago. The Bible refers to the early activity of the children of God in Hebrews 7:2-3, thus:
(09:59:49) (Bill) ‘Melchisedec without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto a Son of God; abideth a priest continually.’
(10:00:18) (Peter_V) Weren't human 10million years ago though.
(10:00:31) (Bill) Melchisedec was a later incarnation of Amilius, as was Adam, Enoch, Joshua, Zend, Joseph, Ur, Hermes, and Jesus.
(10:00:59) (Peter_V) I thought Amilius was Adam?
(10:01:17) (WalksInSpirit) Yep, he was, Peter
(10:01:24) (Bill) The following passages from the readings will give some idea of the soul forces that were used to draw the material bodies of early man:
(10:01:41) (Amen-Ta) No Amilius was not Adam
(10:01:48) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(10:01:52) (ron) lol
(10:02:03) (Bill) Adam was our first human man is my understanding
(10:02:05) (Amen-Ta) Two different lifetimes.
(10:02:14) (Peter_V) Hrmm
(10:02:19) (Amen-Ta) Yes Bill
(10:02:21) (WalksInSpirit) But the same soul, is what we are saying.
(10:02:33) (ron) right WIS
(10:02:37) (Peter_V) I wasn't :) I was saying same life.
(10:02:41) (Bill) (3744-4) “A-46: Man was made, in the beginning, as the ruler over those elements as was prepared in the earth plane for his needs. When the plane became such as that man was capable of being sustained by the forces and conditions as were upon the face of the earth plane, man appeared ~~ not from that already created but as the lord over all that was created.
(10:02:49) (Amen-Ta) Is that what Peter V was asking?
(10:02:53) (WalksInSpirit) No
(10:02:56) (ron) same thing any way you look at it
(10:03:04) (Amen-Ta) Who is now laughing?
(10:03:13) (Amen-Ta) No it is not.
(10:03:15) (WalksInSpirit) I am, still!
(10:03:17) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(10:03:19) (Amen-Ta) You were wrong.
(10:03:21) (ron) me to
(10:03:28) (WalksInSpirit) How was I wrong, Joey?
(10:03:42) (Bill) In man there is found that in the living man ~~ all of that, that may be found without, in the whole world or earth Pane; and other than that, the SOUL OF MAN is that making him above all the animal, vegetable, mineral kingdoms of the earth plane.
(10:03:48) (Amen-Ta) Where should I begin?
(10:03:54) (ron) try
(10:04:05) (WalksInSpirit) The only reason you come here is to start trouble and be contrary.
(10:04:10) (Amen-Ta) No
(10:04:17) (WalksInSpirit) Yes, it is and everyone knows it.
(10:04:37) (Bill) “ . . In all ages we find this has been developing day by day, day by day; or the evolution as we see from those forces as may be manifested by that that man has made himself ~~ the gradual improvement upon the things made by man, yet made to suffice the needs of certain functioning portions of man’s will force, as may be manifested by man, but ever remaining that element to supply that need, whether of sustenance or other functions of man’s individual needs,
(10:04:39) (Amen-Ta) Well then they must know better then God.
(10:04:46) (Peter_V) I always thought Amilius was Adam. Same soul, same life. Weird that they had Latin and Hebrew names back then though, eh? :)
(10:04:50) (Amen-Ta) Of course you dop act like it at tiumes.
(10:04:53) (WalksInSpirit) No, that's your title, apparently.
(10:05:05) (Amen-Ta) Thinking you can chopose whom yoiu love.
(10:05:20) (Amen-Ta) Treating those tyou judge worthy kindly.
(10:05:21) (WalksInSpirit) Are you being loving, Joey?
(10:05:30) (Amen-Ta) This is not the Way of the Christ.
(10:05:34) (Amen-Ta) But of satan.,
(10:05:36) (Bill) This becoming then the exponent of the force as his Creator made him, for the world and the needs and conditions. Man’s compliance nearer with those laws brings him gradually to that development necessary to meet the needs of the conditions, place or sphere in which that individual is placed. As in this:
(10:05:53) (Amen-Ta) Why yes I am.
(10:06:09) (ron) what you see in others, joey..
(10:06:11) (WalksInSpirit) Coming in here with the attitudes you have and behaving the way you do? starting in on me when all I said was Amilius was Adam and was Jesus.
(10:06:12) (Bill) “The needs of those in the north country are not the same as those in the torrid region. Hence development comes to meet the needs in the various conditions under which man is placed. He only uses those laws that are ever and ever in existence in the plane, as is given in that of relativity, that being the needs from one relation to another.
(10:06:38) (Bill) and that wraps it up for this evening
(10:06:56) (Cris) Thanks Bill
(10:06:59) (Peter_V) Sorry I just caught the tail end, Bill. Sounded interesting
(10:07:04) (Cris) Blessings all
(10:07:05) (merri) thanks Bill great lesson!
(10:07:06) (Amen-Ta) You want to act like you've studied what you speak of, but often they asre empty words filled with your own ego and falsehoods.
(10:07:09) (MaryAnne) Very nice, Bill
(10:07:10) (Roz) good study Bill
(10:07:13) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you Bill! Great chat!
(10:07:14) (Bill) : God, be merciful to me! Help thou my unbelief! Let me see in Him that Thou would have me see in my fellow man. Let me see in my brother that I see in Him whom I worship. (262-11).
(10:07:18) (Peter_V) Its been a decade now, believe it or not, since I've gone over that material.
(10:07:22) (Amen-Ta) Whyu shouldn't the Truth of the mattert be revealed.
(10:07:27) (Roz) Amen
(10:07:52) (Bill) Well peter it was about time :o) i hope you got something new out of it :o)
(10:07:59) (WalksInSpirit) You want to talk ego, Joey? Ok, we will. Soon as you were proven wrong by what Bill posted, you started your little nasty attacks.
(10:08:18) (Amen-Ta) Bill was I nasty towards you?
(10:08:28) (Amen-Ta) Always with the lies WE.
(10:08:31) (WalksInSpirit) I didn't say you were nasty towards Bill.
(10:08:38) (Bill) No Amen_Ta ytou never have been
(10:08:43) (Amen-Ta) Who was I nasty towards?
(10:08:44) (WalksInSpirit) You started with me.
(10:08:45) (Peter_V) Bill, did Cayce reference "Adam" in a seperate context from Amilius?
(10:08:49) (Amen-Ta) No.
(10:08:53) (WalksInSpirit) yes, you did!
(10:08:54) (Bill) Yes
(10:09:22) (ron) same soul
(10:09:23) (Amen-Ta) You tried tio act like you knew what you were taslking about in conjunction with the answer I had given to Peter V
(10:09:28) (WalksInSpirit) And constantly calling me a liar, when it's you who twists what I say. It's a wonder the words don't fall apart as much as you twist 'em!
(10:09:28) (Peter_V) Hrmm, I thought he said Amilius was the Adam of the Bible.
(10:09:42) (Lory) We missed part of what you quoted, Bill, because of the interruptions. Discussion should be after you finish, shouldn't they?
(10:09:45) (Amen-Ta) You were the one showing your fangs with the lol to my answer
(10:10:00) (Amen-Ta) ]Which did answer his questiuon cortredctly.
(10:10:17) (WalksInSpirit) I don't bother you, Joey. You come in here and I never say a word to you. I leave you be. But you ALWAYS start it up with me every single time you are here.
(10:10:18) (ron) nervous typing
(10:10:22) (Amen-Ta) Byut it eats away at vyou ego thast I have a good grasp of the Cayce Material.
(10:10:25) (Bill) Amilius was the same soul who came as Jesus in human form to experience and overcome the earth on our behalf to show us the way
(10:10:37) (Amen-Ta) And it shows itself evey time I come in.
(10:10:58) (Roz) then dont come in
(10:11:01) (WalksInSpirit) No, you show your true colors when you come in here, Joey. And that's a good thing, in a way.
(10:11:01) (ron) what an inflated ego...
(10:11:02) (Amen-Ta) That is no true WE.
(10:11:14) (WalksInSpirit) At least we can all see what we're dealing with.
(10:11:14) (Peter_V) And it is my understanding that Amilius, too, was in human form. Was it not he who gave "The Law of One"?
(10:11:18) (Amen-Ta) You always start your little remarks or quips.
(10:11:26) (Bill) actually Peter Adam was Jesus first incarnation in human form
(10:11:33) (Amen-Ta) To try to maske yourself feel supieror in some way.
(10:11:34) (WalksInSpirit) All I did was say that Amilius was Adam and Jesus!
(10:11:40) (James) Love Conquers All
(10:11:44) (WalksInSpirit) Yeah, stone me for that quip!
(10:11:47) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(10:11:49) (ron) what you see in other again there joey
(10:11:51) (Amen-Ta) But it never works and always back fires in yoyur face.
(10:12:05) (ron) Amen-Ta says: To try to maske yourself feel supieror in some way.
(09:30:53) (Bill) : God, be merciful to me! Help thou my unbelief! Let me see in Him that Thou would have me see in my fellow man. Let me see in my brother that I see in Him whom I worship. (262-11). Amen
(09:30:59) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:09) (ron) amen
(09:31:10) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:10) (merri) Amen
(09:31:11) (Roz) Amen
(09:31:17) (MaryAnne) Amen
(09:31:22) (Blu) Amen
(09:31:46) (Wanda) Amen
(09:32:22) (Bill) River of Time part 2 chapter 1 cont.
(09:32:36) (Bill) On the continent of Lemuria and Da, plant and animal bodies had been taking form through eons of time before the advent of the physical body of man.
(09:33:01) (Bill) “Let it be remembered or not confused, that the earth was peopled by animals before peopled by man.” (364-6)
(09:33:28) (Bill) The activities of the children of darkness had polluted the true animal forms into what would satisfy their own ideas of expression. Grotesque forms in size and stature were created, but also some which were very beautiful in form and color. The dinosaur and the huge reptile-like animals were the aftermath of this age of creation.
(09:33:59) (Blu) knew that they were not the normal thing god would create
(09:34:12) (Bill) The earth was cleared of these by the great flood caused by the shifting of the poles. The change of temperature from tropical to frigid left many frozen and well-preserved animals, which have been discovered in the recent past in areas of our northern wastelands.
(09:34:43) (Cris) Fossils!
(09:34:48) (Bill) We still have with us assorted results of this misuse of Divine Law in the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms. The viciousness and cannibalistic nature of some animals and primitive men toward man and toward other animals is the result of that which was wrongly instilled into them.
(09:34:52) (Roz) children of darkness those that the fallen angels procreated?
(09:35:43) (Bill) . In the insect world this misuse left forces of hate, as in the sting of the bee, the poison of the scorpion, and the bite of the ant. In plants it left the stinging nettle, poison ivy, and allergy-arousing elements that extend also to minerals and metals.
(09:36:10) (Bill) These conditions were not in the earth in the days of its “heavenly state of consciousness” and when God created the heaven and the earth, and must some day be met and the prophecy fulfilled, that “the lion will lie down with the lamb”.
(09:36:41) (Bill) “Q-11-12: From the following, does it mean that minerals, vegetation, and animals evolve into supreme degrees of minerals, vegetation, and animals? . . .
(09:37:10) (Bill) “A-12: “. . . You have reincarnation. There you have evolution. There you have the mineral kingdom, the plant kingdom, and the animal kingdom, each developing towards its own source, yet all belonging and becoming one in that force, as it develops itself to become one with the Creative Energy and one with God . . .
(09:38:15) (Bill) Each, as the geological survey shows held it sway in the earth, and passing from one into the other, yet man was given to be the lord over all, and the only survivor of that creation.” (900-340)
(09:38:54) (Bill) “In animal is that as appertains to the consciousness of the animal mind, with spirit. As in man, that is of consciousness co-related with man’s development, or the higher elements of mind and matter. Hence, man developed, becomes lord and master over the animal kingdom. Man degraded becomes the companion, the equal with the best or the beastly man.” (900-31, A-5)
(09:39:51) (Bill) (364-7) “In this period or age, as was seen ~~ there is fault of words here to project that as actually occurs in the formations of that as comes about. There was, with the will of that as came into being through the correct channels, of that as created by the Creator, that of the continuing of souls in its proj4ction and projection ~~ see?
(09:40:28) (Roz) no I dont see
(09:40:56) (Lory) Me too, Roz. But he did say there is fault of words here.
(09:41:10) (Bill) “While in that as was of the offspring, of that as pushed itself into form to satisfy, gratify, that of the desire of that known as the carnal forces of the senses, of those created, there continued to be the war one with another, and there were then ~~ from other sources (worlds) the continuing entering of those that would make for the keeping of the balance,
(09:41:53) (Roz) aha!!
(09:41:57) (Bill) as of the first purpose of the Creative Forces, as it magnifies itself in that sphere of activity, of that that had been given the ability to create with its own activity, See? And hence the second, or the continued entering of souls into that known as the earth’s plane during this period, for that activity as was brought about.
(09:42:52) (Bill) “Let’s remember that as was given, in the second, third from Adam, or fourth from Amilius, there was ‘In that day did they call upon the name of the Lord’ ~~ is right, and ever, when the elements that make for littleness, uncleanness, are crucified in the body, the Spirit of the Lord, of God, is present! When these are overbalanced, so that the body (physical) the mental man, the imagination of its heart, is evil, or his purpose is evil, then is that was continuing ~~ as from the beginning.
(09:45:04) (Bill) Just the continued warring of those things within self as from the beginning; for with these changes as brought sin into the world, with the same came the fruits of same, or the seed as of sin, which we see in the material world as those things that corrupt the elements that were of the compounds of those of first causes, or elementals, and pests are seen ~~ and the like, see?
(09:45:46) (Bill) “So does it follow throughout all creative forces, that the fruits of that as is active brings that seed that makes for the corrupting of, or the clearing of, in the activative forces of, that being acted upon.” (364-7)
(09:46:19) (Bill) Upon the rapid entering into the earth of souls with creative ability and ability to control the elements and to build in their own images, did Amilius take upon himself the material body and assume the responsibility of trying to bring order out of chaos.
(09:46:49) (Bill) “As the [Atlantean] peoples were peaceful peoples their developments took on rather that form ~~ with the developing into the physical material bodies ~~ of the fast development, or to the using of the elements about them to their own use; recognizing themselves to be a part of that about them.” (364-4}
(09:47:32) (Bill) “We find that in those period there was not a laboring for the sustenance of life (as in the present) but, rather, individuals who are children of the Law of One and some who were the children of Belial (in the early experience) ~~ were served by automatons, or things, that were retained by individuals or groups to do the labors of a household or to cultivate the fields or the like, or to perform the activities of artisans or the like.
(09:48:15) (Bill) And these were those activities through which much of the disturbing forces grew to be factors to be reckoned with, between the children of the Law of One and the sons of Belial. For these were the representations of what in the present experience would be termed good and evil, or a spiritual thought and purpose and a material thought or desire or purpose.” (1968-2)
(09:49:08) (Bill) “In these things then did Amilius see the beginning of, and the abilities of, those of his own age, era, or period, not only able to build that as able to transpose, or build up the elements about them, but to transpose them bodily from one portion of the universe to another, through the uses of not only those recently re-discovered gases, and those of the electrical and aeriatic formation
(09:49:57) (Bill) ~~ in the breaking up the atomic forces to produce impelling force to those means and modes of transportation, or of travel, or of lifting large weights, or of changing the faces or forces of nature itself, but with these transpositions, with these changes that came in as personalities, we find these as the Sons of the Creative Forces manifest in their experience looking upon those changed forms,
(09:50:34) (Bill) or the daughters of men, and there crept in those pollutions, of polluting themselves with those mixtures that brought contempt, hatred, bloodshed, and those that build for desires of self without respect of others’ freedom, others’ wishes ~~ and there began, then, in the latter portion of this period of development, that that brought about those dissenting and divisions among The peoples in the lands.” (364-4)
(09:51:15) (Bill) “ . . . destructive forces were imminent through the falling away of the people and the uprising of the sons of Belial . . . made for the drawing of lines.” (608.7}
(09:51:34) (Bill) “ . . . divisions between those of the Law of One and the sons of Belial, and the offspring of what was the pure race and those that had projected themselves into creatures that became the sons of men (as the terminology would be )rather than the creatures of God.” (1416-1)
(09:52:08) (Bill) God had imaged a more suitable, perfect, physical body for His children, with which to experience the material earth. But imperfections came as the result of the rebellion our souls built as we reached to possess and make our own the precious gift of WILL. We failed to follow Divine Law and became laws unto ourselves.
(09:52:43) (Bill) The cross is the symbol of this rebellion, of our going against the will of God and failing to follow the perfect law. The wooden cross is the symbol of the misuse of spiritual law when applied to the material. Our bodies are in the form of the cross which we bear, indicating our violation of spiritual law in ourselves. Some time we must meet and overcome all adulterations.
(09:53:39) (Bill) Amilius, a Son of God in the earth at this time, had become aware of the turning from Divine Law by those around him, and was concerned for the soul life of those who were in rebellion against God. He offered himself to lead the way back, to take upon himself the very conditions which were overcoming to many Sons of god. He knew he must become as one of them, to experience that which brought in these corruptions.
(09:54:09) (Amen-Ta) That doesn't quite jive with the Cayce Material about the cross.
(09:54:40) (Bill) He realized he must hold to the Divine Image and from within himself build and eternalize a perfect body after God’s pattern. He was a soul like you and me, but one without sin, and so completely aware of His Divine Nature that he was one with the spirit of Christ. This he knew, and grimly grounded in the spirit of Christ, he offered himself to mankind,
(09:55:19) (Bill) , knowing that what he purposed would take many lifetimes, and that death was the last requirement that must be overcome.
(09:55:27) (Peter_V) I thought Amilius WAS Christ....the Christ soul, to be later known as Jesus.
(09:55:39) (WalksInSpirit) Yep, Peter
(09:55:51) (Bill) Jesus wasn't Christ He bacame the Christ
(09:55:54) (Amen-Ta) No Amilias was not Christ.
(09:56:17) (Bill) The following reading will give an insight into the kind of thought-form creations that were taking place among the children of God in this period: “In the period, then some hundred and ninety-eight thousand years before the entry of Ram into India, there lived in this land of Atlantis one Amilius,
(09:56:17) (Amen-Ta) Yes Bill through the loss of self in doing the Fathers Will.
(09:57:09) (Bill) who had first noted that the separations of the beings as inhabited that portion of the earth’s sphere or plane of those peoples, into male and female as separate entities or individuals. As to their forms in the physical sense, these were rather of the nature of thought forms,
(09:57:42) (Bill) or able to push out of themselves in that direction in which its development took shape in thought ~~ much in the way and manner as the amoeba would in the waters of a stagnant bay or lake in the present.” (364-3)
(09:58:24) (Peter_V) Hehe, surprised how well I remember this reading after 10 years :)
(09:58:38) (Bill) In the early stages of man’s material involvement the body was ore as a shadow which could take on form from that which the mind imaged, much as we now plan a dress or a building or anything we desire to bring into form in our lives.
(09:59:19) (Bill) In the Edgar Cayce readings this period is shown to be a few million years ago. A life reading for a young girl gave her first appearance in the earth as 10,500,000 years ago. The Bible refers to the early activity of the children of God in Hebrews 7:2-3, thus:
(09:59:49) (Bill) ‘Melchisedec without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto a Son of God; abideth a priest continually.’
(10:00:18) (Peter_V) Weren't human 10million years ago though.
(10:00:31) (Bill) Melchisedec was a later incarnation of Amilius, as was Adam, Enoch, Joshua, Zend, Joseph, Ur, Hermes, and Jesus.
(10:00:59) (Peter_V) I thought Amilius was Adam?
(10:01:17) (WalksInSpirit) Yep, he was, Peter
(10:01:24) (Bill) The following passages from the readings will give some idea of the soul forces that were used to draw the material bodies of early man:
(10:01:41) (Amen-Ta) No Amilius was not Adam
(10:01:48) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(10:01:52) (ron) lol
(10:02:03) (Bill) Adam was our first human man is my understanding
(10:02:05) (Amen-Ta) Two different lifetimes.
(10:02:14) (Peter_V) Hrmm
(10:02:19) (Amen-Ta) Yes Bill
(10:02:21) (WalksInSpirit) But the same soul, is what we are saying.
(10:02:33) (ron) right WIS
(10:02:37) (Peter_V) I wasn't :) I was saying same life.
(10:02:41) (Bill) (3744-4) “A-46: Man was made, in the beginning, as the ruler over those elements as was prepared in the earth plane for his needs. When the plane became such as that man was capable of being sustained by the forces and conditions as were upon the face of the earth plane, man appeared ~~ not from that already created but as the lord over all that was created.
(10:02:49) (Amen-Ta) Is that what Peter V was asking?
(10:02:53) (WalksInSpirit) No
(10:02:56) (ron) same thing any way you look at it
(10:03:04) (Amen-Ta) Who is now laughing?
(10:03:13) (Amen-Ta) No it is not.
(10:03:15) (WalksInSpirit) I am, still!
(10:03:17) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(10:03:19) (Amen-Ta) You were wrong.
(10:03:21) (ron) me to
(10:03:28) (WalksInSpirit) How was I wrong, Joey?
(10:03:42) (Bill) In man there is found that in the living man ~~ all of that, that may be found without, in the whole world or earth Pane; and other than that, the SOUL OF MAN is that making him above all the animal, vegetable, mineral kingdoms of the earth plane.
(10:03:48) (Amen-Ta) Where should I begin?
(10:03:54) (ron) try
(10:04:05) (WalksInSpirit) The only reason you come here is to start trouble and be contrary.
(10:04:10) (Amen-Ta) No
(10:04:17) (WalksInSpirit) Yes, it is and everyone knows it.
(10:04:37) (Bill) “ . . In all ages we find this has been developing day by day, day by day; or the evolution as we see from those forces as may be manifested by that that man has made himself ~~ the gradual improvement upon the things made by man, yet made to suffice the needs of certain functioning portions of man’s will force, as may be manifested by man, but ever remaining that element to supply that need, whether of sustenance or other functions of man’s individual needs,
(10:04:39) (Amen-Ta) Well then they must know better then God.
(10:04:46) (Peter_V) I always thought Amilius was Adam. Same soul, same life. Weird that they had Latin and Hebrew names back then though, eh? :)
(10:04:50) (Amen-Ta) Of course you dop act like it at tiumes.
(10:04:53) (WalksInSpirit) No, that's your title, apparently.
(10:05:05) (Amen-Ta) Thinking you can chopose whom yoiu love.
(10:05:20) (Amen-Ta) Treating those tyou judge worthy kindly.
(10:05:21) (WalksInSpirit) Are you being loving, Joey?
(10:05:30) (Amen-Ta) This is not the Way of the Christ.
(10:05:34) (Amen-Ta) But of satan.,
(10:05:36) (Bill) This becoming then the exponent of the force as his Creator made him, for the world and the needs and conditions. Man’s compliance nearer with those laws brings him gradually to that development necessary to meet the needs of the conditions, place or sphere in which that individual is placed. As in this:
(10:05:53) (Amen-Ta) Why yes I am.
(10:06:09) (ron) what you see in others, joey..
(10:06:11) (WalksInSpirit) Coming in here with the attitudes you have and behaving the way you do? starting in on me when all I said was Amilius was Adam and was Jesus.
(10:06:12) (Bill) “The needs of those in the north country are not the same as those in the torrid region. Hence development comes to meet the needs in the various conditions under which man is placed. He only uses those laws that are ever and ever in existence in the plane, as is given in that of relativity, that being the needs from one relation to another.
(10:06:38) (Bill) and that wraps it up for this evening
(10:06:56) (Cris) Thanks Bill
(10:06:59) (Peter_V) Sorry I just caught the tail end, Bill. Sounded interesting
(10:07:04) (Cris) Blessings all
(10:07:05) (merri) thanks Bill great lesson!
(10:07:06) (Amen-Ta) You want to act like you've studied what you speak of, but often they asre empty words filled with your own ego and falsehoods.
(10:07:09) (MaryAnne) Very nice, Bill
(10:07:10) (Roz) good study Bill
(10:07:13) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you Bill! Great chat!
(10:07:14) (Bill) : God, be merciful to me! Help thou my unbelief! Let me see in Him that Thou would have me see in my fellow man. Let me see in my brother that I see in Him whom I worship. (262-11).
(10:07:18) (Peter_V) Its been a decade now, believe it or not, since I've gone over that material.
(10:07:22) (Amen-Ta) Whyu shouldn't the Truth of the mattert be revealed.
(10:07:27) (Roz) Amen
(10:07:52) (Bill) Well peter it was about time :o) i hope you got something new out of it :o)
(10:07:59) (WalksInSpirit) You want to talk ego, Joey? Ok, we will. Soon as you were proven wrong by what Bill posted, you started your little nasty attacks.
(10:08:18) (Amen-Ta) Bill was I nasty towards you?
(10:08:28) (Amen-Ta) Always with the lies WE.
(10:08:31) (WalksInSpirit) I didn't say you were nasty towards Bill.
(10:08:38) (Bill) No Amen_Ta ytou never have been
(10:08:43) (Amen-Ta) Who was I nasty towards?
(10:08:44) (WalksInSpirit) You started with me.
(10:08:45) (Peter_V) Bill, did Cayce reference "Adam" in a seperate context from Amilius?
(10:08:49) (Amen-Ta) No.
(10:08:53) (WalksInSpirit) yes, you did!
(10:08:54) (Bill) Yes
(10:09:22) (ron) same soul
(10:09:23) (Amen-Ta) You tried tio act like you knew what you were taslking about in conjunction with the answer I had given to Peter V
(10:09:28) (WalksInSpirit) And constantly calling me a liar, when it's you who twists what I say. It's a wonder the words don't fall apart as much as you twist 'em!
(10:09:28) (Peter_V) Hrmm, I thought he said Amilius was the Adam of the Bible.
(10:09:42) (Lory) We missed part of what you quoted, Bill, because of the interruptions. Discussion should be after you finish, shouldn't they?
(10:09:45) (Amen-Ta) You were the one showing your fangs with the lol to my answer
(10:10:00) (Amen-Ta) ]Which did answer his questiuon cortredctly.
(10:10:17) (WalksInSpirit) I don't bother you, Joey. You come in here and I never say a word to you. I leave you be. But you ALWAYS start it up with me every single time you are here.
(10:10:18) (ron) nervous typing
(10:10:22) (Amen-Ta) Byut it eats away at vyou ego thast I have a good grasp of the Cayce Material.
(10:10:25) (Bill) Amilius was the same soul who came as Jesus in human form to experience and overcome the earth on our behalf to show us the way
(10:10:37) (Amen-Ta) And it shows itself evey time I come in.
(10:10:58) (Roz) then dont come in
(10:11:01) (WalksInSpirit) No, you show your true colors when you come in here, Joey. And that's a good thing, in a way.
(10:11:01) (ron) what an inflated ego...
(10:11:02) (Amen-Ta) That is no true WE.
(10:11:14) (WalksInSpirit) At least we can all see what we're dealing with.
(10:11:14) (Peter_V) And it is my understanding that Amilius, too, was in human form. Was it not he who gave "The Law of One"?
(10:11:18) (Amen-Ta) You always start your little remarks or quips.
(10:11:26) (Bill) actually Peter Adam was Jesus first incarnation in human form
(10:11:33) (Amen-Ta) To try to maske yourself feel supieror in some way.
(10:11:34) (WalksInSpirit) All I did was say that Amilius was Adam and Jesus!
(10:11:40) (James) Love Conquers All
(10:11:44) (WalksInSpirit) Yeah, stone me for that quip!
(10:11:47) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(10:11:49) (ron) what you see in other again there joey
(10:11:51) (Amen-Ta) But it never works and always back fires in yoyur face.
(10:12:05) (ron) Amen-Ta says: To try to maske yourself feel supieror in some way.
