Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 6, 2006 23:03:21 GMT -5
Search For God: Book One Study: 02-06-06
"The Cross And The Crown"
(09:32:55) (Bill) : Our Father, our God, as we approach that, that may give us a better insight of what He bore in the cross, what His glory may be in the crown, may thy blessings ~~ as promised through Him ~~ be with us as we study together in His name (262-34) Amen
(09:33:12) (Cris) Amen
(09:33:13) (torontal) amen
(09:33:18) (friend_to_mankind) Amen
(09:33:19) (Qrious) ameni
(09:33:19) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:33:24) (Anne) Amen
(09:33:41) (lilith) ty Bill
(09:33:54) (Rosie) Awomen
(09:34:28) (Bill) btw there will be home work after this lesson :o) and Awoman may be in the corner :o)
(09:34:43) (Bill) In bearing the cross we come to know the real meaning of the crown, the joy of completing a work, and the success that is the reward of a finished race. As we develop day by day, the idea of shame passes and there comes the joy of being one with Him in the great work of redeeming mankind.
(09:34:48) (Rosie) it's my home away from home
(09:34:56) (Rosie) :o)
(09:35:09) (BlackWolf) Uh oh, the dunce cap is ready tonight. :oO
(09:35:16) (Qrious) awooo..hhhh.. men.. is that a compliment for men or what.. lol
(09:35:40) (Bill) It is, indeed, an emblem of opportunity, and we come to see more and more the face of the Master reflected in each cross we bear.
(09:36:01) (Bill) The cross does not always remain the cross of shame. In the life of the Christ, the Holy One, the Son of God, it became glorified in having been overcome
(09:36:38) (Bill) . Just so with us; each cross met, bravely borne, and overcome, becomes radiant with light and brings us into a more perfect understanding of the purpose of life and the glory that may be in the crown of life.
(09:38:15) (Bill) Why must I, as a soul in a material plane, bear a cross?
(09:38:25) (Bill) This is a question that each of us individually should ask ourselves, and the manner in which we answer determines our spiritual status. It is the spiritual gauge of our development since the fall of man.(09:39:01) (Bill) Whenever this question has been considered, many go away and walk no more in the way. “Will ye go also?” (P.R. see John 6.67. See 262-35.) Shall we not reply, “Lord, to whom shall we go? For Thou alone hast the words of eternal life.” Shall we evade the cross that is ours to bear, especially at this time when mankind is entering the greatest test period in the history of the world?
(09:39:42) (Bill) The words of the prophet seem to come ringing down the ages, “Who can abide the day of His coming?” Know we not that it is only those whose loins are girt about with truth? Who shall be able to abide to take this stand?
(09:40:10) (Bill) As individuals in the material plane, we must of necessity bear many things coincident with His earthly experience, and by recognizing our obligations as children of the living God, as He did, and learning from Him the lesson of meekness and lowliness of heart, we exemplify through service and sacrifice the life He lived.
(09:40:55) (Bill) Knowing that the purpose of life is to be one with the Father, we have to wait if we expect to see results in material manifestation. There is no surer way of realization than “to keep on keeping on” (P.R. See also: 364 series and 5749 series.)
(09:41:21) (Rosie) I know I've girted my loins in humbleness :o)
(09:41:21) (Bill) in the way of the Christ. While our efforts may seem wrong in the eyes of everyone, there is a Power that takes hold in our extremities and adjusts every situation. As we trust that Power, our strength is renewed.
(09:42:08) (Bill) As we meet the crosses, endure the temptations, and overcome them, we become heirs and joint heirs with Him to the crown of glory. All who fulfill the purpose for which they are called bear their crosses not in sorrow, not in wailing, but in the joy of the Lord.
(09:42:37) (Bill) As a sign to us who have met our crosses and have overcome them, there comes that ability to meet other and greater crosses in the joy of the Lord, and to rejoice that we are counted worthy.
(09:43:04) (Bill) Let us enter into the service that may be our part as channels of blessings to others. In so doing we become conscious that our lives are spent in the way He would have us go, and that His presence abides with us. The door is open. Virtue and understanding find activity.
(09:43:37) (Bill) . Faith is renewed day by day, for we are more able to understand conditions that arise whether from the mental, the material or the spiritual. Access to the Father may be held as a cooperative force in whatever sphere of activity we may engage when in service to others.
(09:44:13) (Bill) It is not in times or seasons or in any place ~~ but in every place, every day, and every hour that we may show forth His love to those we contact. By our lives others may know that He walks with us and is our friend. Upon what is the glory of the crown conditioned? Faith-fullness !
(09:44:45) (Bill) That is it for the lesson but if you’re interested and bare with me I’ve gathered a little more that may help put this lesson into perspective for us.
(09:45:06) (Bill) “ All who fulfill the purpose for which they are called bear their crosses not in sorrow, not in wailing, but in the joy of the Lord.”
(09:45:09) (Rosie) *girts loins*
(09:45:25) (Bill) The teaching we find in this chapter is that, in bearing The Cross, we have the crown of life. Until this happens we do not fully appreciate what it means to be alive. The Crown is awareness that dawns within us through attunement. In the East the highest spiritual center is referred to as “the crown centre.” The mantric seed symbol for this center is “Om,” which points to oneness of God.
(09:45:29) (Qrious) lol Rosie
(09:46:04) (Bill) Another meaning of “crown” is the object worn by a king or queen to symbolize their mastery. In this case they rule over lands and a group of people. The focus of this chapter has been to wear a crown emblematic of the mastery of oneself.
(09:46:35) (Bill) For the greater individual is the one who is the servant of all. And to conquer self is greater than taking many cities. For, here ye may find humbleness as against that which cries oft for expression, and the feeling of not being appreciated
(09:46:57) (Bill) . Express t more in the greater amount of love upon those who may be aided through thy effort. For, remember, man looks upon the things of the day but God looks upon the heart. 3253-2
(09:46:57) (Gordito) It may have to do with conquering self
(09:47:55) (Bill) What is our experience in having the crown? The quality mentioned most frequently in the readings is joy. Not only do we express joy to others that we meet, but we enjoy being alive.
(09:48:00) (Qrious) but.. aint it like... we get the crown as the reward at the end of the race.. like you started the class on.
(09:48:30) (Bill) Then, the first of the signs that may be given-to as many as have met the cross, as have endured, is given that which enables them- in whatsoever state they, find themselves in meeting their crosses-to do so in the joy of the Lord. Happiness and joy go hand in hand.
(09:48:43) (Rosie) You have to admit, I DO girt my loins with joy! :o)
(09:49:01) (Bill) He that overcomes, then is given the knowledge that power to meet, power to use, power to overcome is given in his understanding.
(09:49:17) (Bill) With joy, then, do such individuals enter into service that may be their part, their portion, as the channels, the ways in which they may serve in the making known to others the Way of the Cross and the Crown of Glory that comes with the same, in knowledge of the life being spent in a way that He would have on go; for His presence than abides ever….
(09:50:04) (Bill) With the cross comes the crown to those that are faithful in the few things, and their joys shall be many in the service that each are called to do; for His ways are made known to those that seek. As He has given, he that seeks shall find, to him that knocks the door will be opened.
(09:50:35) (Bill) Ye shall enter into the joys of thy Lord, enjoying that crown that brings joy, happiness, harmony, peace; for He is the Prince of Peace. 262-36
(09:50:51) (Bill) Now to end here’s your homework :o) Look for the joy in living. Express joy in dealing with others. Live with an attitude of enjoyment of being alive in this place in this special time in man’s spiritual evolution. Thank you all for your patience!
(09:51:31) (kim) thank you Bill
(09:51:33) (friend_to_mankind) the crown of life (James 1:12)the crown incorruptible(I Cor 9:24-27)the crown of rejoicing(I Thess.2:19,20)the crown of righteousness(II Tim 4:5-8)the crown of Glory(I Peter 5:2-4)
(09:51:37) (Qrious) so.. do we get the crown now.. or at the end of the race?
(09:51:37) (Cris) Thanks Bill
(09:51:52) (WalksInSpirit) Great study tonight, Bill! Thank you!
(09:51:58) (Bill) Q the crown like it says is in the mastery of self the letting go of ego in the hunbleness in which you meet your crosses
(09:52:10) (Qrious) the crown spoken of as a reward given in Revalation is after your dead.
(09:52:40) (Gordito) Yeah Sky Opens Up Angels Make Announcements and Pronounemects. Crown, Septer, Robe Angels come down with, place upon you. People around you fall prostrate and weep. Stuff like that maybe Q? After maybe self has been laid aside and you've shown yourself worthy to be Called A Son of God?
(09:52:51) (Qrious) your opening statement spoke of the reward at the end of the race didn't it Bill.. ?
(09:52:59) (Blu) I never thought about the crown before, I think I have been fixating on the cross...
(09:53:13) (Bill) well that may be but we're not in Revelation now and the bible tells you not to jump from chapter to chapter because it tents to take things out of context
(09:53:33) (Rosie) too friggin serious, bill...too friggin serious :o)
(09:54:08) (Bill) In bearing the cross we come to know the real meaning of the crown, the joy of completing a work, and the success that is the reward of a finished race. As we develop day by day, the idea of shame passes and there comes the joy of being one with Him in the great work of redeeming mankind.
(09:54:51) (Qrious) that does sound cool though doesn't it G.. people worshiping at my feet an all cause I would be one of the kingly priesthood that teaches with Jesus when he shows uup..wow.. I can't wait.
(09:54:53) (Blu) Excellant
(09:55:09) (Gordito) Not worshipping at your feet.
(09:55:24) (Anne) he was talking about every day living, as simple as playing a hand or two of old maid with a eigh a child
(09:55:32) (Gordito) Reliving their lives in the moment of Your Glory.'
(09:55:34) (Qrious) so.. the crown is given at the end of the race then..
(09:56:02) (Rosie) I submit that Jesus never wanted to be worshipped...he simply wanted us to follow his example. So we've perverted that all to hell.
(09:56:08) (friend_to_mankind) James 1:12 Blessed is the manthat endureth temptation for when he is tried,he shall receive the crown of life,which the Lord hath promised to them that love him
(09:56:10) (kim) Ro, just redeem one man for now,,,,,,,work toward mankind .... ;o)
(09:56:13) (Gordito) Their sins exposed for what they are or their virtues lived then joy, but how often does thsat happen?
(09:56:17) (Bill) why not wear your crown Q why not master self in the now :o)
(09:56:43) (Rosie) it's a process ;o)
(09:56:51) (Gordito) The Truth Being Reveaqled In Your/His Presence.
(09:56:54) (kim) ahh
(09:56:55) (Anne) yes Q wear your crown
(09:56:55) (Cris) Being an example is the best way to teach
(09:56:57) (Qrious) but Bill.. the reading said.. at the end of the race.. the same race that Paul teaches to run wasn't it?
(09:57:23) (Gordito) By Your presence do they Uplift, attune to Him.
(09:57:33) (Rosie) the end of the race is achieving total mastery over the physical which equals ascension
(09:57:35) (kim) so Bill........if you turn your life over to creator and you don't like what you're doing, where's the answer in that?
(09:57:35) (Bill) Paul do you mean Rosie's fav. disciple :o)
(09:57:48) (Qrious) Paul said.. that I have ran the good race.. gotta be the same one.
(09:57:49) (Gordito) Your Consciousness and Divine Love BBeing Expressed is so overwhelming.
(09:57:54) (Blu) Worship is the most natural act for the Happy Heart that His Presence is revealed to, it is an act of Love. Love is all that He was about.
(09:58:16) (Bill) Kim thats the choice we each get the opportunity to make
(09:58:44) (Rosie) And that includes loving self, forgiving self, in order to more quicklyl attain a state of grace
(09:58:45) (kim) i c
(09:58:54) (Qrious) a reward.. is given after.. and act is done... hence no reward if nothing is done.. and if a race is to be done... then you have to finish it sometime.
(09:59:10) (MaryAnne) I think it is harder to forgive self than others.
(09:59:11) (Gordito) You learn tp love sel in being selfless.
(09:59:18) (Qrious) and how I read it.. is after... not during is the reward given.
(09:59:19) (Anne) yes and when you are ready you see the times you missed
(09:59:28) (friend_to_mankind) I Corinthians 9:24-27 Know ye not that they that run in a race receive a prize? So run that ye may obtainAnd every man that strive for mastery is temperate in all things .Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown ,but we an incorruptible .
(09:59:48) (lilith) good question, there, Kim -
(09:59:50) (Qrious) thanks ftm.
(09:59:52) (Anne) the reward is the reward
(09:59:52) (Bill) Q i never look at anything in the terms of reward or punishment
(10:00:20) (Bill) we reap what we sow
(10:00:31) (Qrious) if it is for nothing.. but love it would be a gift... this however is for a reward.. that changes the meaning of it.
(10:00:43) (Qrious) a reward is earned.
(10:00:50) (Qrious) for a task.
(10:01:04) (Anne) no a reward is a reward
(10:01:13) (Bill) if one lives their life with only the thoughts of a reward at the end their missing the point
(10:01:24) (Gordito) God Decides.
(10:01:28) (Gordito) He Is Fair.
(10:01:42) (Anne) you say that was nice
(10:01:52) (lilith) What about that "the Lord thy God is a jealous God" bit - how does that fit in here?
(10:01:56) (Rosie) No, WE decide when we will get with the program
(10:01:56) (Gordito) He is Partial to those who act like Jesus on earth.
(10:01:58) (Qrious) a reward is a reward.. uh.. o.k.
(10:02:19) (friend_to_mankind) I Thessalonians 2:19,20 For what is our hope ,or joy ,or crown of rejoicing ?Are not even ye in the presense of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
(10:02:22) (Bill) i would say God Has decided the Universal Laws have been set in place how we choose to manifest them in our lives will dictate the outcome
(10:02:33) (Anne) will have to ask him about that lil when i see him
(10:02:34) (Rosie) exactly
(10:02:44) (Blu) Love and Joy are it's own reward, the natural by product of obeying God
(10:02:47) (Gordito) Sounds about right Bill till you Become the Laqw.
(10:02:54) (Qrious) well.. we best hope so huh ftm.. lol
(10:02:57) (lilith) me, too - that and "suffer the little children"
(10:03:46) (lilith) that has always bothered me
(10:03:48) (Qrious) that mean to choke the life out of them lilith... lol
(10:04:12) (Anne) i feel karma may have to do with that statement
(10:04:53) (Bill) Q in the mastery of self there is no reward necessary because we are doing joyfully what we truley were meant to be doing
(10:04:54) (lilith) its followed with (as you know) "and I will give them rest" - not sure on that - hope you're wrong there,Q
(10:05:23) (Qrious) anyhow.. as far as what I have learned is this .. I will get my crown.. which is my joy and harmony,, when I am finished with the race... as a reward.
(10:05:28) (Gordito) If you seek a Reward noine will be Given.
(10:05:57) (Bill) so you then choice not to live joyfully in the mean time Q ?
(10:05:57) (Gordito) If you seek nothing more then to serve His Will, not your own, he may Be Well Pleased.
(10:06:03) (Cris) I've always felt that God is the pure essence of love for all that was the main message besides forgiveness Jesus taught
(10:06:21) (lilith) Bill - does that "crown" mean literally a crown?
(10:06:29) (BlackWolf) No prize for those who focus only on the prize.
(10:06:46) (Gordito) A Spiritual Crown.
(10:06:49) (lilith) or just the joy of being with Him
(10:06:51) (Bill) LIl i don't think theres anything literal in this lesson
(10:06:53) (Qrious) G.. we are going to get rewards... Jesus said his dad revealed that to him to tell his angel to tell us.
(10:06:54) (BlackWolf) Or does it mean the crown chakra, Bill?
(10:07:02) (Gordito) Seen by Those With eyes That See.
(10:07:42) (Bill) The teaching we find in this chapter is that, in bearing The Cross, we have the crown of life. Until this happens we do not fully appreciate what it means to be alive. The Crown is awareness that dawns within us through attunement. In the East the highest spiritual center is referred to as “the crown centre.” The mantric seed symbol for this center is “Om,” which points to oneness of God.
(10:07:50) (friend_to_mankind) II Timothy 4:5_8 But watch thou in all things ,endure afflictions ,do the work of an evangelist ,make full proof of thy ministry.For I am ready to be offered and the time of my departure is at hand .I have fought a good fight I have finished my course I have kept the faith.Henceforth is laid up for me a crown of righteousness ,which the Lord ,the righteous judge ,shall give me at that day ;and not to me only ,but unto all them also th
(10:08:05) (Qrious) if the statement is read.. the way it is meant to be understood.. then its in the hearing that the errors lies.
(10:08:21) (Gordito) We meet God in the Third Eye......you'll get Your Crown at a time when that is the full expression of your consciousness.
(10:08:48) (Qrious) the Lords Day.. that is the day spoken of.
(10:08:57) (Bill) . The focus of this chapter has been to wear a crown emblematic of the mastery of oneself.
(10:09:19) (lilith) never really have wanted/looked for/would look good in/ a queenly crown!
(10:09:31) (lilith) oh, well, Bill - THAT makes sense! ty
(10:09:36) (Anne) lol
(10:09:40) (Gordito) the Overcoming of ones self leads to the Croiwn.
(10:09:51) (Qrious) I thought it was about bearing your cross to overcome to attain the crown Bill.
(10:10:49) (Gordito) The Very Heavens =cknowledge a Son of God Coming Into Their own or His Own.
(10:11:14) (Gordito) But don't do it for that reason.
(10:11:25) (Blu) The Crown of Consciousness
(10:11:45) (Anne) what happens at the end, with your headdress, is you have to help all of those climbing behind you
(10:11:52) (lilith) I thank you - have never had that explained (til now) so I could understand it
(10:11:55) (Gordito) It is abount being repentant and humble before Him.
(10:11:58) (Rosie) right, anne!
(10:12:09) (friend_to_mankind) I peter 5:2-4 Feed the flock of God which is among you ,taking the oversight thereof ,not by constraint but willingly ;not for filthy lucre,but of a ready mind ;neither as being lords over God's heritage ,but being examples to the flock .And when the chief Shepherd shall appear ,ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
(10:12:10) (Gordito) Later when you Become One....have Fun.
(10:12:19) (Gordito) Let Him have the reins.
(10:12:21) (Qrious) the problem with that premise Anne.. is to believe you are one step above .. to help one up..
(10:12:26) (Gordito) He Like having Fun.
(10:13:03) (Anne) mabe mabe not just climbing
(10:13:26) (Gordito) But seek Him out above all else deal with your karma, hopefully through Grace, that's the cross.
(10:13:26) (Qrious) well.. that does answer the crown and the time of recieving it.. thanks again ftm.
(10:13:46) (lilith) Well Q - with all the work, would like to think I'd made it & would be kind enuf to haul someone else up! oh oh - or is that too proud?
(10:14:13) (Rosie) facts is facts...once you have ascended you are bound to help those who haven't
(10:14:23) (Qrious) see how you are lilith.
(10:14:34) (Gordito) Karma has to be met by all. best to meet it in HIm by way of Grace. Cayce
(10:14:37) (lilith) laffin!!! Q
(10:14:47) (Gordito) \Yes Rosie.
(10:14:59) (Rosie) that's what Jesus and many others are trying to do
(10:15:15) (Gordito) Love Is What Love Does
(10:15:17) (lilith) we;;. Rosie - depends what kind of a day I'm having! you may have to stay behind me til the next day!
(10:15:52) (Rosie) whatever it takes ;o)
(10:16:03) (Anne) lol but you an be sure she will be back
(10:16:11) (Qrious) But you guys.. Bills classroom .. opening statement is fixed.. and not mutable.. to be ignored as being misunderstood.. it says.. we get crown when race is finished.. what so hard to understand?
(10:16:14) (Rosie) LOL
(10:16:36) (lilith) well, this IS very interesting - gotta admit that - never had it explained like this before, makes more sense now
(10:16:43) (Gordito) The Crown Comes when God Is Pleased With you.
(10:16:45) (Bill) anyone who feels they have to accend to be of use is missing the boat
(10:16:51) (Anne) not hard to understand
(10:16:55) (Qrious) you go to the top of the class lilith.. lol
(10:16:57) (Gordito) God Ever Gives the Increase.
(10:17:16) (lilith) never did think so, Bill -
(10:17:18) (Gordito) Of Greater Use.
(10:17:25) (Qrious) thats not what the class statement began with G.. you are add libbing.. aren't you.
(10:17:34) (Bill) the crown in the case of this lesson is one we all should be wearing
(10:17:40) (Rosie) I think the crown comes when you've achieved mastery, whether or not anyone, including God, is "pleased" or not...like Bill said, the laws are in place
(10:17:55) (Anne) he does not know you very well love
(10:18:05) (Bill) at that point yes Rosie
(10:18:34) (Rosie) The greater point is to live in joy and love and forgiveness and all that...we will achieve mastery much faster that way
(09:33:12) (Cris) Amen
(09:33:13) (torontal) amen
(09:33:18) (friend_to_mankind) Amen
(09:33:19) (Qrious) ameni
(09:33:19) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:33:24) (Anne) Amen
(09:33:41) (lilith) ty Bill
(09:33:54) (Rosie) Awomen
(09:34:28) (Bill) btw there will be home work after this lesson :o) and Awoman may be in the corner :o)
(09:34:43) (Bill) In bearing the cross we come to know the real meaning of the crown, the joy of completing a work, and the success that is the reward of a finished race. As we develop day by day, the idea of shame passes and there comes the joy of being one with Him in the great work of redeeming mankind.
(09:34:48) (Rosie) it's my home away from home
(09:34:56) (Rosie) :o)
(09:35:09) (BlackWolf) Uh oh, the dunce cap is ready tonight. :oO
(09:35:16) (Qrious) awooo..hhhh.. men.. is that a compliment for men or what.. lol
(09:35:40) (Bill) It is, indeed, an emblem of opportunity, and we come to see more and more the face of the Master reflected in each cross we bear.
(09:36:01) (Bill) The cross does not always remain the cross of shame. In the life of the Christ, the Holy One, the Son of God, it became glorified in having been overcome
(09:36:38) (Bill) . Just so with us; each cross met, bravely borne, and overcome, becomes radiant with light and brings us into a more perfect understanding of the purpose of life and the glory that may be in the crown of life.
(09:38:15) (Bill) Why must I, as a soul in a material plane, bear a cross?
(09:38:25) (Bill) This is a question that each of us individually should ask ourselves, and the manner in which we answer determines our spiritual status. It is the spiritual gauge of our development since the fall of man.(09:39:01) (Bill) Whenever this question has been considered, many go away and walk no more in the way. “Will ye go also?” (P.R. see John 6.67. See 262-35.) Shall we not reply, “Lord, to whom shall we go? For Thou alone hast the words of eternal life.” Shall we evade the cross that is ours to bear, especially at this time when mankind is entering the greatest test period in the history of the world?
(09:39:42) (Bill) The words of the prophet seem to come ringing down the ages, “Who can abide the day of His coming?” Know we not that it is only those whose loins are girt about with truth? Who shall be able to abide to take this stand?
(09:40:10) (Bill) As individuals in the material plane, we must of necessity bear many things coincident with His earthly experience, and by recognizing our obligations as children of the living God, as He did, and learning from Him the lesson of meekness and lowliness of heart, we exemplify through service and sacrifice the life He lived.
(09:40:55) (Bill) Knowing that the purpose of life is to be one with the Father, we have to wait if we expect to see results in material manifestation. There is no surer way of realization than “to keep on keeping on” (P.R. See also: 364 series and 5749 series.)
(09:41:21) (Rosie) I know I've girted my loins in humbleness :o)
(09:41:21) (Bill) in the way of the Christ. While our efforts may seem wrong in the eyes of everyone, there is a Power that takes hold in our extremities and adjusts every situation. As we trust that Power, our strength is renewed.
(09:42:08) (Bill) As we meet the crosses, endure the temptations, and overcome them, we become heirs and joint heirs with Him to the crown of glory. All who fulfill the purpose for which they are called bear their crosses not in sorrow, not in wailing, but in the joy of the Lord.
(09:42:37) (Bill) As a sign to us who have met our crosses and have overcome them, there comes that ability to meet other and greater crosses in the joy of the Lord, and to rejoice that we are counted worthy.
(09:43:04) (Bill) Let us enter into the service that may be our part as channels of blessings to others. In so doing we become conscious that our lives are spent in the way He would have us go, and that His presence abides with us. The door is open. Virtue and understanding find activity.
(09:43:37) (Bill) . Faith is renewed day by day, for we are more able to understand conditions that arise whether from the mental, the material or the spiritual. Access to the Father may be held as a cooperative force in whatever sphere of activity we may engage when in service to others.
(09:44:13) (Bill) It is not in times or seasons or in any place ~~ but in every place, every day, and every hour that we may show forth His love to those we contact. By our lives others may know that He walks with us and is our friend. Upon what is the glory of the crown conditioned? Faith-fullness !
(09:44:45) (Bill) That is it for the lesson but if you’re interested and bare with me I’ve gathered a little more that may help put this lesson into perspective for us.
(09:45:06) (Bill) “ All who fulfill the purpose for which they are called bear their crosses not in sorrow, not in wailing, but in the joy of the Lord.”
(09:45:09) (Rosie) *girts loins*
(09:45:25) (Bill) The teaching we find in this chapter is that, in bearing The Cross, we have the crown of life. Until this happens we do not fully appreciate what it means to be alive. The Crown is awareness that dawns within us through attunement. In the East the highest spiritual center is referred to as “the crown centre.” The mantric seed symbol for this center is “Om,” which points to oneness of God.
(09:45:29) (Qrious) lol Rosie
(09:46:04) (Bill) Another meaning of “crown” is the object worn by a king or queen to symbolize their mastery. In this case they rule over lands and a group of people. The focus of this chapter has been to wear a crown emblematic of the mastery of oneself.
(09:46:35) (Bill) For the greater individual is the one who is the servant of all. And to conquer self is greater than taking many cities. For, here ye may find humbleness as against that which cries oft for expression, and the feeling of not being appreciated
(09:46:57) (Bill) . Express t more in the greater amount of love upon those who may be aided through thy effort. For, remember, man looks upon the things of the day but God looks upon the heart. 3253-2
(09:46:57) (Gordito) It may have to do with conquering self
(09:47:55) (Bill) What is our experience in having the crown? The quality mentioned most frequently in the readings is joy. Not only do we express joy to others that we meet, but we enjoy being alive.
(09:48:00) (Qrious) but.. aint it like... we get the crown as the reward at the end of the race.. like you started the class on.
(09:48:30) (Bill) Then, the first of the signs that may be given-to as many as have met the cross, as have endured, is given that which enables them- in whatsoever state they, find themselves in meeting their crosses-to do so in the joy of the Lord. Happiness and joy go hand in hand.
(09:48:43) (Rosie) You have to admit, I DO girt my loins with joy! :o)
(09:49:01) (Bill) He that overcomes, then is given the knowledge that power to meet, power to use, power to overcome is given in his understanding.
(09:49:17) (Bill) With joy, then, do such individuals enter into service that may be their part, their portion, as the channels, the ways in which they may serve in the making known to others the Way of the Cross and the Crown of Glory that comes with the same, in knowledge of the life being spent in a way that He would have on go; for His presence than abides ever….
(09:50:04) (Bill) With the cross comes the crown to those that are faithful in the few things, and their joys shall be many in the service that each are called to do; for His ways are made known to those that seek. As He has given, he that seeks shall find, to him that knocks the door will be opened.
(09:50:35) (Bill) Ye shall enter into the joys of thy Lord, enjoying that crown that brings joy, happiness, harmony, peace; for He is the Prince of Peace. 262-36
(09:50:51) (Bill) Now to end here’s your homework :o) Look for the joy in living. Express joy in dealing with others. Live with an attitude of enjoyment of being alive in this place in this special time in man’s spiritual evolution. Thank you all for your patience!
(09:51:31) (kim) thank you Bill
(09:51:33) (friend_to_mankind) the crown of life (James 1:12)the crown incorruptible(I Cor 9:24-27)the crown of rejoicing(I Thess.2:19,20)the crown of righteousness(II Tim 4:5-8)the crown of Glory(I Peter 5:2-4)
(09:51:37) (Qrious) so.. do we get the crown now.. or at the end of the race?
(09:51:37) (Cris) Thanks Bill
(09:51:52) (WalksInSpirit) Great study tonight, Bill! Thank you!
(09:51:58) (Bill) Q the crown like it says is in the mastery of self the letting go of ego in the hunbleness in which you meet your crosses
(09:52:10) (Qrious) the crown spoken of as a reward given in Revalation is after your dead.
(09:52:40) (Gordito) Yeah Sky Opens Up Angels Make Announcements and Pronounemects. Crown, Septer, Robe Angels come down with, place upon you. People around you fall prostrate and weep. Stuff like that maybe Q? After maybe self has been laid aside and you've shown yourself worthy to be Called A Son of God?
(09:52:51) (Qrious) your opening statement spoke of the reward at the end of the race didn't it Bill.. ?
(09:52:59) (Blu) I never thought about the crown before, I think I have been fixating on the cross...
(09:53:13) (Bill) well that may be but we're not in Revelation now and the bible tells you not to jump from chapter to chapter because it tents to take things out of context
(09:53:33) (Rosie) too friggin serious, bill...too friggin serious :o)
(09:54:08) (Bill) In bearing the cross we come to know the real meaning of the crown, the joy of completing a work, and the success that is the reward of a finished race. As we develop day by day, the idea of shame passes and there comes the joy of being one with Him in the great work of redeeming mankind.
(09:54:51) (Qrious) that does sound cool though doesn't it G.. people worshiping at my feet an all cause I would be one of the kingly priesthood that teaches with Jesus when he shows uup..wow.. I can't wait.
(09:54:53) (Blu) Excellant
(09:55:09) (Gordito) Not worshipping at your feet.
(09:55:24) (Anne) he was talking about every day living, as simple as playing a hand or two of old maid with a eigh a child
(09:55:32) (Gordito) Reliving their lives in the moment of Your Glory.'
(09:55:34) (Qrious) so.. the crown is given at the end of the race then..
(09:56:02) (Rosie) I submit that Jesus never wanted to be worshipped...he simply wanted us to follow his example. So we've perverted that all to hell.
(09:56:08) (friend_to_mankind) James 1:12 Blessed is the manthat endureth temptation for when he is tried,he shall receive the crown of life,which the Lord hath promised to them that love him
(09:56:10) (kim) Ro, just redeem one man for now,,,,,,,work toward mankind .... ;o)
(09:56:13) (Gordito) Their sins exposed for what they are or their virtues lived then joy, but how often does thsat happen?
(09:56:17) (Bill) why not wear your crown Q why not master self in the now :o)
(09:56:43) (Rosie) it's a process ;o)
(09:56:51) (Gordito) The Truth Being Reveaqled In Your/His Presence.
(09:56:54) (kim) ahh
(09:56:55) (Anne) yes Q wear your crown
(09:56:55) (Cris) Being an example is the best way to teach
(09:56:57) (Qrious) but Bill.. the reading said.. at the end of the race.. the same race that Paul teaches to run wasn't it?
(09:57:23) (Gordito) By Your presence do they Uplift, attune to Him.
(09:57:33) (Rosie) the end of the race is achieving total mastery over the physical which equals ascension
(09:57:35) (kim) so Bill........if you turn your life over to creator and you don't like what you're doing, where's the answer in that?
(09:57:35) (Bill) Paul do you mean Rosie's fav. disciple :o)
(09:57:48) (Qrious) Paul said.. that I have ran the good race.. gotta be the same one.
(09:57:49) (Gordito) Your Consciousness and Divine Love BBeing Expressed is so overwhelming.
(09:57:54) (Blu) Worship is the most natural act for the Happy Heart that His Presence is revealed to, it is an act of Love. Love is all that He was about.
(09:58:16) (Bill) Kim thats the choice we each get the opportunity to make
(09:58:44) (Rosie) And that includes loving self, forgiving self, in order to more quicklyl attain a state of grace
(09:58:45) (kim) i c
(09:58:54) (Qrious) a reward.. is given after.. and act is done... hence no reward if nothing is done.. and if a race is to be done... then you have to finish it sometime.
(09:59:10) (MaryAnne) I think it is harder to forgive self than others.
(09:59:11) (Gordito) You learn tp love sel in being selfless.
(09:59:18) (Qrious) and how I read it.. is after... not during is the reward given.
(09:59:19) (Anne) yes and when you are ready you see the times you missed
(09:59:28) (friend_to_mankind) I Corinthians 9:24-27 Know ye not that they that run in a race receive a prize? So run that ye may obtainAnd every man that strive for mastery is temperate in all things .Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown ,but we an incorruptible .
(09:59:48) (lilith) good question, there, Kim -
(09:59:50) (Qrious) thanks ftm.
(09:59:52) (Anne) the reward is the reward
(09:59:52) (Bill) Q i never look at anything in the terms of reward or punishment
(10:00:20) (Bill) we reap what we sow
(10:00:31) (Qrious) if it is for nothing.. but love it would be a gift... this however is for a reward.. that changes the meaning of it.
(10:00:43) (Qrious) a reward is earned.
(10:00:50) (Qrious) for a task.
(10:01:04) (Anne) no a reward is a reward
(10:01:13) (Bill) if one lives their life with only the thoughts of a reward at the end their missing the point
(10:01:24) (Gordito) God Decides.
(10:01:28) (Gordito) He Is Fair.
(10:01:42) (Anne) you say that was nice
(10:01:52) (lilith) What about that "the Lord thy God is a jealous God" bit - how does that fit in here?
(10:01:56) (Rosie) No, WE decide when we will get with the program
(10:01:56) (Gordito) He is Partial to those who act like Jesus on earth.
(10:01:58) (Qrious) a reward is a reward.. uh.. o.k.
(10:02:19) (friend_to_mankind) I Thessalonians 2:19,20 For what is our hope ,or joy ,or crown of rejoicing ?Are not even ye in the presense of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
(10:02:22) (Bill) i would say God Has decided the Universal Laws have been set in place how we choose to manifest them in our lives will dictate the outcome
(10:02:33) (Anne) will have to ask him about that lil when i see him
(10:02:34) (Rosie) exactly
(10:02:44) (Blu) Love and Joy are it's own reward, the natural by product of obeying God
(10:02:47) (Gordito) Sounds about right Bill till you Become the Laqw.
(10:02:54) (Qrious) well.. we best hope so huh ftm.. lol
(10:02:57) (lilith) me, too - that and "suffer the little children"
(10:03:46) (lilith) that has always bothered me
(10:03:48) (Qrious) that mean to choke the life out of them lilith... lol
(10:04:12) (Anne) i feel karma may have to do with that statement
(10:04:53) (Bill) Q in the mastery of self there is no reward necessary because we are doing joyfully what we truley were meant to be doing
(10:04:54) (lilith) its followed with (as you know) "and I will give them rest" - not sure on that - hope you're wrong there,Q
(10:05:23) (Qrious) anyhow.. as far as what I have learned is this .. I will get my crown.. which is my joy and harmony,, when I am finished with the race... as a reward.
(10:05:28) (Gordito) If you seek a Reward noine will be Given.
(10:05:57) (Bill) so you then choice not to live joyfully in the mean time Q ?
(10:05:57) (Gordito) If you seek nothing more then to serve His Will, not your own, he may Be Well Pleased.
(10:06:03) (Cris) I've always felt that God is the pure essence of love for all that was the main message besides forgiveness Jesus taught
(10:06:21) (lilith) Bill - does that "crown" mean literally a crown?
(10:06:29) (BlackWolf) No prize for those who focus only on the prize.
(10:06:46) (Gordito) A Spiritual Crown.
(10:06:49) (lilith) or just the joy of being with Him
(10:06:51) (Bill) LIl i don't think theres anything literal in this lesson
(10:06:53) (Qrious) G.. we are going to get rewards... Jesus said his dad revealed that to him to tell his angel to tell us.
(10:06:54) (BlackWolf) Or does it mean the crown chakra, Bill?
(10:07:02) (Gordito) Seen by Those With eyes That See.
(10:07:42) (Bill) The teaching we find in this chapter is that, in bearing The Cross, we have the crown of life. Until this happens we do not fully appreciate what it means to be alive. The Crown is awareness that dawns within us through attunement. In the East the highest spiritual center is referred to as “the crown centre.” The mantric seed symbol for this center is “Om,” which points to oneness of God.
(10:07:50) (friend_to_mankind) II Timothy 4:5_8 But watch thou in all things ,endure afflictions ,do the work of an evangelist ,make full proof of thy ministry.For I am ready to be offered and the time of my departure is at hand .I have fought a good fight I have finished my course I have kept the faith.Henceforth is laid up for me a crown of righteousness ,which the Lord ,the righteous judge ,shall give me at that day ;and not to me only ,but unto all them also th
(10:08:05) (Qrious) if the statement is read.. the way it is meant to be understood.. then its in the hearing that the errors lies.
(10:08:21) (Gordito) We meet God in the Third Eye......you'll get Your Crown at a time when that is the full expression of your consciousness.
(10:08:48) (Qrious) the Lords Day.. that is the day spoken of.
(10:08:57) (Bill) . The focus of this chapter has been to wear a crown emblematic of the mastery of oneself.
(10:09:19) (lilith) never really have wanted/looked for/would look good in/ a queenly crown!
(10:09:31) (lilith) oh, well, Bill - THAT makes sense! ty
(10:09:36) (Anne) lol
(10:09:40) (Gordito) the Overcoming of ones self leads to the Croiwn.
(10:09:51) (Qrious) I thought it was about bearing your cross to overcome to attain the crown Bill.
(10:10:49) (Gordito) The Very Heavens =cknowledge a Son of God Coming Into Their own or His Own.
(10:11:14) (Gordito) But don't do it for that reason.
(10:11:25) (Blu) The Crown of Consciousness
(10:11:45) (Anne) what happens at the end, with your headdress, is you have to help all of those climbing behind you
(10:11:52) (lilith) I thank you - have never had that explained (til now) so I could understand it
(10:11:55) (Gordito) It is abount being repentant and humble before Him.
(10:11:58) (Rosie) right, anne!
(10:12:09) (friend_to_mankind) I peter 5:2-4 Feed the flock of God which is among you ,taking the oversight thereof ,not by constraint but willingly ;not for filthy lucre,but of a ready mind ;neither as being lords over God's heritage ,but being examples to the flock .And when the chief Shepherd shall appear ,ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
(10:12:10) (Gordito) Later when you Become One....have Fun.
(10:12:19) (Gordito) Let Him have the reins.
(10:12:21) (Qrious) the problem with that premise Anne.. is to believe you are one step above .. to help one up..
(10:12:26) (Gordito) He Like having Fun.
(10:13:03) (Anne) mabe mabe not just climbing
(10:13:26) (Gordito) But seek Him out above all else deal with your karma, hopefully through Grace, that's the cross.
(10:13:26) (Qrious) well.. that does answer the crown and the time of recieving it.. thanks again ftm.
(10:13:46) (lilith) Well Q - with all the work, would like to think I'd made it & would be kind enuf to haul someone else up! oh oh - or is that too proud?
(10:14:13) (Rosie) facts is facts...once you have ascended you are bound to help those who haven't
(10:14:23) (Qrious) see how you are lilith.
(10:14:34) (Gordito) Karma has to be met by all. best to meet it in HIm by way of Grace. Cayce
(10:14:37) (lilith) laffin!!! Q
(10:14:47) (Gordito) \Yes Rosie.
(10:14:59) (Rosie) that's what Jesus and many others are trying to do
(10:15:15) (Gordito) Love Is What Love Does
(10:15:17) (lilith) we;;. Rosie - depends what kind of a day I'm having! you may have to stay behind me til the next day!
(10:15:52) (Rosie) whatever it takes ;o)
(10:16:03) (Anne) lol but you an be sure she will be back
(10:16:11) (Qrious) But you guys.. Bills classroom .. opening statement is fixed.. and not mutable.. to be ignored as being misunderstood.. it says.. we get crown when race is finished.. what so hard to understand?
(10:16:14) (Rosie) LOL
(10:16:36) (lilith) well, this IS very interesting - gotta admit that - never had it explained like this before, makes more sense now
(10:16:43) (Gordito) The Crown Comes when God Is Pleased With you.
(10:16:45) (Bill) anyone who feels they have to accend to be of use is missing the boat
(10:16:51) (Anne) not hard to understand
(10:16:55) (Qrious) you go to the top of the class lilith.. lol
(10:16:57) (Gordito) God Ever Gives the Increase.
(10:17:16) (lilith) never did think so, Bill -
(10:17:18) (Gordito) Of Greater Use.
(10:17:25) (Qrious) thats not what the class statement began with G.. you are add libbing.. aren't you.
(10:17:34) (Bill) the crown in the case of this lesson is one we all should be wearing
(10:17:40) (Rosie) I think the crown comes when you've achieved mastery, whether or not anyone, including God, is "pleased" or not...like Bill said, the laws are in place
(10:17:55) (Anne) he does not know you very well love
(10:18:05) (Bill) at that point yes Rosie
(10:18:34) (Rosie) The greater point is to live in joy and love and forgiveness and all that...we will achieve mastery much faster that way
