Post by WalksInSpirit on Jan 23, 2006 23:02:02 GMT -5
Search For God: Book One Study: 01-23-06
"The Cross and the Crown"
(09:31:35) (Bill) : Our Father, our God, as we approach that, that may give us a better insight of what He bore in the cross, what His glory may be in the crown, may thy blessings ~~ as promised through Him ~~ be with us as we study together in His name (262-34) Amen
(09:31:57) (Lory) Amen
(09:31:58) (patricia) Amen
(09:32:03) (diane) Amen
(09:32:21) (Israel) Amen
(09:32:27) (Solya) Kalo
(09:32:30) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:32:56) (Bill) He overcame the world through experiences. In each experience He born a cross, reaching the final cross with all power and all knowledge. He accepted the cross, hence doing away with that so called karma that must be met by all. The immutable law of cause and effect is evidenced today in the material, the mental, and the spiritual world;
(09:33:02) (Leon) Keep it flowing Bill
(09:33:35) (Bill) but in overcoming the world, the law, He became the law. The law, then, becomes as the schoolmaster, or the school of training. We who have named the Name are no longer under the law as law, but under mercy as in Him ~~ for in Him, and with the desires, there may be made the coordination of all things.
(09:34:03) (Bill) In bearing the cross, the flesh is crucified that His Spirit may be made manifest in the world. Each obstacle overcome adds strength for overcoming the next. We learn to overcome all that hinders us from becoming one with Him. This is made possible in service.
(09:34:40) (Bill) It is a glorious thing to know that we are helping Him through our service to others, to make known His purpose to bring mankind back to the Father. We never lose so long as we give. God gave His only begotten Son and received back a glorified Son who had shown a world the way back to the Father.
(09:35:59) (Bill) . It was the Son, in whom the Father was well pleased, who gave His all, even His life for His brethren. It is necessary that we bear the cross for our own development; but it is most glorious to have the opportunity to bear the cross for the sake of Him who made the way of escape possible for us.
(09:36:23) (Bill) Why was it necessary that He, the Maker of heaven and earth, should bear a cross?
(09:36:38) (Bill) The God Force became ensnared in matter and, in the first Adam, fell. It was necessary therefore, that the God Force, the Creator, individualize Himself as an example and by overcoming the world become the Law, in order that man might know the way out. So, in the last Adam all are made alive.
(09:36:52) (Solya) I know, but I´m not telling.
(09:37:14) (Bill) He, the Maker of heaven and earth, came to earth to bear the cross that He might add His experiences and activities to ours. His purpose was is to lead the sons of men back to the realization that they are, indeed, sons of God and are at one with the Father.
(09:37:58) (Solya) If people ONLY that Bill. That scripture around it says that even as in Adam ALL died so in Jesus ALL will be made alaive.
(09:38:01) (Bill) In His bearing the cross, “It is finished,” (John 19.30) so far as the overcoming of the flesh and worldly things are concerned. He paved the way for His followers of every age. It was necessary that He, the Son of God, the Co-worker with the Creator, come to earth to demonstrate that the flesh could be overcome ~~
(09:38:11) (Qrious) makes you wonder,, him being God an all.. woulda' knew he'd get ensnared.
(09:38:14) (Israel) Is it the flesh that is crucifies or self?
(09:39:01) (Bill) ~~ thus giving glory to the Father who had made man for His glory. He bore the cross of materiality that He might change it to the glorified cross of spirituality. He left burning in the hearts of His followers the declaration, “And I, if I be lifted up … will draw all men unto me,” (John 12.32)
(09:39:44) (Solya) The crucifixin is of the negative, rebellious, me only, construct that we have made. The cross becomes joyful when we view it from Spirit.
(09:39:48) (Bill) ) and again, “He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” (John 14.12)
(09:40:25) (Bill) He went all the way. He was tempted in all ways, like unto us. He was numbered with the transgressors. “He was bruised for our transgressions, by His stripes we are healed,”*Isa. 53:5. and in all He was more than a conqueror. “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
(09:41:03) (Bill) . Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not that his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
(09:41:28) (Bill) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.”(John 15.13-16) What was the object of the cross? For what was the supreme sacrifice? That we though His strength might come to the knowledge and understanding of the way, might be able to overcome all things, and become kings and priests unto God.
(09:42:07) (Qrious) so we are pals and not servants huh. hmm.
(09:42:10) (Bill) Again, it was His way to show to mankind what divine love could do, and how it was possible to live a perfect, blameless life with all the disintegrating influences that surround us day by day. In every period of development through the ages, He has walked and talked with men.
(09:42:50) (Bill) . Those who understand know that whenever there was a need for man’s awakening, the Son of Man entered the earth plane. The cross became the emblem of Him who offered Himself of Himself. For that cause, for that purpose came He into the world that He Himself, in overcoming the world, might gain the crown.
(09:43:33) (Bill) Why did He come into the world as a man that He might bear a cross?
(09:43:53) (Bill) It was through His thought and will that man took physical form. Only through the physical could the spiritual essence be aroused, awakened from its slumber, and set upon the path of spiritual progress.
(09:44:11) (Bill) The question is answered: First, because of His own need to conquer the world in material manifestation, and second, because of the need of mankind for a guide, a teacher, and a savior. The first is expressed in the following: “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered”; (Heb. 5.8) and the second is, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” (John 14.6)
(09:44:58) (Bill) He chose to take upon Himself the responsibility of overcoming the physical or making Himself the law through the fulfillment of all requirements. By adding His experiences and activities to ours He links man with God, bringing man in a close attunement with God and causing him to become conscious of the Oneness of all. He came to show and teach us fellowship with God through our service to others.
(09:45:59) (Bill) As man, He knew the physical trails ~~ doubts and fears, weaknesses and turmoil ~~ of spiritual beings encased in material shells. He showed His ability as a man to demonstrate the possibility of man, as man, to bring spiritual harmony into physical vibration.
(09:46:34) (Bill) He ever stressed the oneness of all force, demonstrating the direct relationship between man and the Creator. He came in the flesh to show that we in the flesh could become as He, God in Spirit; and taught that we may be one, even as He and the Father are one.
(09:46:55) (Bill) . Then this one, the Adam that first entered the world, must become the Savior of the world. It was committed into His care. “Be thou fruitful, and multiply, and subdue the earth.” (Gen. 1.28.)
(09:47:20) (Bill) Hence, the first Adam, the last Adam, was given power over the earth, and, as in each soul, the first to be conquered was self. Then all things, conditions, and elements are subject unto Him.
(09:47:45) (Bill) . So He became that One who was able to take the world, the earth, back to the source from whence it came. All power is given into His keeping in the earth which He has overcome. Self, death, and hell became subservient unto Him through the conquering of self. “In the beginning was the Word and Word was with God, and the Word was God, the same was in the beginning with God.” (John l.l,2.)
(09:48:07) (Qrious) so he was teaching us to subdue even ourselves. hmm.
(09:48:21) (Bill) .) The Word came and dwelt among men, the offspring of self in a material world. The Word overcame the world; hence the world became then as the servant of that One who overcame it.
(09:49:02) (Bill) thats this evenings lesson in a nut shell we can go over any part you wish to discuss
(09:49:50) (Solya) Bill, tonight you have chimed the bells that mean the most in my sanctuary. I am in tears.
(09:50:47) (Leon) Bill, I am in question??????????
(09:51:03) (Bill) okay Leon lets here
(09:51:09) (Qrious) So.. the God Force got ensnared.. but the reason was to show us how to be spiritual in the physical form to make the earth a servant to us also cause we are pals.. in a nutshell.
(09:51:38) (ernie) ya then we got gready and hear we sit
(09:51:49) (Leon) First Amelias came here 18 million yrs Couldi't be the maker of heaven and earth
(09:52:08) (ernie) amebas>?
(09:52:18) (merri) Amilius
(09:52:25) (Leon) Yes alias Jesus
(09:52:31) (Qrious) in the begining was the word.. and nothing that was made was made without the word.. hmm.. sounds like the same person.
(09:52:38) (Solya) Tonight, I have learned how to overcome unvanquished temptations. To ask for help, not of God alone, but of others. Not only do I have the joy of giving out of my abunance but the joy of receiving from those who love me. Thank you.
(09:52:41) (One) As Cayce gave when He said to subdue the earth He Meant self
(09:52:44) (ernie) when i read genises i think of it as milanioums\
(09:52:47) (Bill) Leon was the first in spirit or flesh which you are refurring too?
(09:52:54) (patricia) Amelius was not a physical being was he?
(09:53:12) (merri) yes he was pat
(09:53:34) (Leon) he wa s not
(09:53:36) (ernie) in lots of years
(09:53:47) (patricia) oh, okay, thought hr was of spirit. thank you merri
(09:53:50) (One) The idea as Cayce gave is to come to the Knowledge of Knowing Yourself To BE Yourself Yet One.
(09:53:53) (ernie) dosent matter
(09:53:57) (merri) yes he was according to Cayce and the Atlantis story
(09:54:02) (Bill) the 1st Adam was in flesh
(09:54:12) (Qrious) seems to me.. that flesh began with the start of Adam.. of the dust of the earth.. and Amelius would be spiritual.
(09:54:17) (ernie) who was first its who is now witch is all of us
(09:54:29) (patricia) that is what i thought Q
(09:54:57) (Blu) Adam was the first man, Amilius was not a man, but he was physical
(09:54:57) (Lory) Adam was the very first physical being.
(09:55:07) (ernie) flesh and spirit had to come together at some time / hu? how
(09:55:12) (Leon) I can see where the earth had to be prepared to inhabit ---ex. plants and animals that could take a while to produce
(09:55:21) (One) There were different influxes of souls.
(09:55:24) (Bethany) Blu what does that mean?
(09:55:34) (Blu) Ameilius was an adrogenous being
(09:55:34) (ernie) boyut it was born with fresh flesh themn realised spirituality
(09:55:38) (ernie) as it grew
(09:55:50) (Bill) Leon plants and animals were long before mankind
(09:55:51) (Bethany) Aaah
(09:55:55) (One) The Knowledge you need you alreadt posses....apply it.
(09:55:55) (Blu) Adam was the first human, but there were physical beings here
(09:55:56) (Qrious) well.. physical in the sence of the transfigured body.. a glorified body.. that can partake of food..like Jesus did. and the wounds were felt by Thomas.. and the angels ate food also called mana.. so.. maybe that kind of flesh.
(09:55:56) (patricia) okay Blu, i see.
(09:56:07) (Bethany) made by whom?
(09:56:15) (Blu) They just came
(09:56:24) (Blu) influx of spirit forms
(09:56:25) (Bethany) as some angels were, you mean?
(09:56:27) (Bill) then mankind as we know it must have also taken millions of yrs. to evolve into man as we know him
(09:56:33) (Cris) Before there was the male/female genders Lory?
(09:57:00) (Blu) Before Atlantis was Mu
(09:57:02) (Qrious) and the same kind of flesh.. when the sons of God went in unto the daughters of man.. and had Nephiliums.. so there was impregnations done.. so some form of solid being had to be so.
(09:57:02) (Qrious) and the same kind of flesh.. when the sons of God went in unto the daughters of man.. and had Nephiliums.. so there was impregnations done.. so some form of solid being had to be so.
(09:57:10) (ernie) thats where a wenrt arry
(09:57:13) (Blu) right Q
(09:57:23) (Bill) Leon i'm sure animals have evoled much over the eons of time as well science dictates that
(09:57:28) (Lory) I believe so, Cris. The story in the Bible of Adam and Eve are the first physical beings like us today.
(09:57:31) (Blu) and they were Centuars, mermaids, etc
(09:57:37) (Bethany) manna can be found on the ground in North Carolina - it is a white, spongey like substance, is that the same "manna" the people were fed with?? It IS edible
(09:57:46) (ernie) you r all missing the point
(09:58:18) (ernie) i thought this was a higher enlightment room lets get past the how
(09:58:20) (Bill) Lory they would be more along the lines of cavemen
(09:58:20) (Qrious) but my confusion is thus.. the daughters of man gave birth to the Men of Renown.. and not the angelic beings.. so to me.. the angels were male.. cause like Adam.. Eve was of him.. therein lies my confusion.
(09:58:37) (Cris) Shirley McLaine had an article on the seperation process in something I read one time
(09:58:39) (ernie) and get to the point go
(09:58:42) (Blu) Why Ernie, how is intersting!
(09:58:44) (Bethany) Well, some of us, ernie, are interested in the "how" - probably not as enlightened as others
(09:58:46) (Qrious) Really Beth.. now thats new to me.
(09:59:04) (Leon) I firmly disagree-- Jesus along with ouy minds together created a "new"" for us to dwell in
(09:59:11) (Cris) Back when the male/female beings were coming to be
(09:59:15) (Bill) Q they would not be of any gender
(09:59:25) (Bethany) what's new to you, Q?
(09:59:29) (ernie) yes how is that the problem where lost in and forget you a servant of the creator
(09:59:32) (Qrious) I just question it Bill.. thats all.
(09:59:54) (Leon) a new earth
(10:00:02) (Solya) Q, it is good to question, to think , to ponder as Mary pondered in her heart.
(10:00:02) (Blu) Nothing wrong with a question
(10:00:05) (ernie) dont take offence
(10:00:20) (Bethany) ernie - MY God doesn't/didn't mind questions
(10:00:31) (Bill) Q its hard for man to eqate in spiritual beings rather than physical
(10:00:38) (Qrious) but we are still talking about the fleshly part of spirituality aren't we?
(10:00:51) (ernie) ]or take it just try to listen what im saing get to the point of what we are to do
(10:01:03) (Solya) I think if Adam and Eve had questoned God about the forbidden fruit, and ernestly asked to understand, they would not have eaten it. We need to question.
(10:01:08) (patricia) Yes, I am interested in every detail. sorry, i am the curious type
(10:01:30) (Cris) You have to question and use your intution or you are susceptible to being led by cultish groups
(10:01:49) (Solya) God said, come let us reason together.
(10:01:51) (Bill) ernie i don't believe we've ever been servant of the Creator we only slipped away from our place as one with the Creator son and daughters
(10:01:54) (ernie) everyone talks of the to do and the everyday problems but you all dont do nothing about tit
(10:01:55) (Cris) Some churches can be very cultish
(10:02:17) (Solya) many of us do much about it , ernie
(10:02:18) (Leon) I see the dificulty of expressing the we transformed in a sense this planet for us to inhabit but someone was the leader Amelias or commonly know today as Jesus
(10:02:35) (patricia) how do you know this ernie. i am doing what i know how to do. as i grow, i will learn to do more.
(10:02:36) (Qrious) well.. they were just given a command.. as children Solya.. to obey is what was in question.. that is what Eve obviously thought when the serpent entertained the thought that God was lying to them about dying.
(10:02:44) (One) Did Jesus serve the Creator?
(10:02:50) (One) He did not come alone.
(10:02:53) (ernie) im talking to myself
(10:03:25) (One) Many suls came with the Master to help Him.
(10:03:26) (Solya) But children eagerly ask questions.
(10:03:38) (Lory) Prior to Adam and Eve, I do not believe there was any propogation. Atlantis habitat was all a spiritual essence.
(10:03:43) (Solya) They could have questioned God. God is never offended when we want to know and understand.
(10:04:30) (Leon) Atlantis I believe was of spiritual essence
(10:04:36) (Qrious) what more could they want Solya.. they had everything.. and God was with them also.. was it that even with all this Eden.. it isn't enough?
(10:04:51) (One) Little or nothing is by chance.
(10:05:03) (Leon) Solya YOU have the best comments
(10:05:06) (One) Button pushers have their place too.
(10:05:26) (Qrious) lol One.
(10:05:35) (Solya) It wasn´t what they wanted. It was the refusal to understand their temptations and ask for help from God who would have helped them understand that to eat of the fruut if evil is to die and what spiritual death is. It was laziness on their part, I believe
(10:06:47) (Qrious) laziness.. naw.. they were told.. and did not obey.. simple as that. A why would be to question God as an equal.. wouldn't it?
(10:07:12) (Bill) Solya the garden of eden is symbolism its not a matter of who ate fruit or why its giving us the how 1st man chose to express their free will
(10:07:14) (friend_to_mankind) Only one way to walk
(10:07:18) (Qrious) cause the questioning would be akin to being able to negotiate terms with God.
(10:07:47) (Lory) And that free will to man was given by God in the very beginning, Bill.
(10:07:50) (Leon) Remember Adam and Eve brought (5) brought our races into physical form-- I would like to die after reaching old age. I'm glad to know that my mind is still MEEEEEEE
(10:08:10) (Solya) I also speak in symbolism, Bill. Not only the tree or the fruit or the symbol, but Oh God, grant me the understanding to resist the garbage.
(10:08:13) (One) It strengthens you and builds individuality in the application towards the ideal mantained.
(10:08:16) (Qrious) and wouldn't it be like saying to Jesus.. Why.. would you want to sacrafice yourself for me.. I don't know you and should I even care.
(10:08:18) (Bill) as souls Lory and we started expressing it soon after as time goes
(10:09:01) (One) God brings people, places, events together for a Reason.
(09:31:57) (Lory) Amen
(09:31:58) (patricia) Amen
(09:32:03) (diane) Amen
(09:32:21) (Israel) Amen
(09:32:27) (Solya) Kalo
(09:32:30) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:32:56) (Bill) He overcame the world through experiences. In each experience He born a cross, reaching the final cross with all power and all knowledge. He accepted the cross, hence doing away with that so called karma that must be met by all. The immutable law of cause and effect is evidenced today in the material, the mental, and the spiritual world;
(09:33:02) (Leon) Keep it flowing Bill
(09:33:35) (Bill) but in overcoming the world, the law, He became the law. The law, then, becomes as the schoolmaster, or the school of training. We who have named the Name are no longer under the law as law, but under mercy as in Him ~~ for in Him, and with the desires, there may be made the coordination of all things.
(09:34:03) (Bill) In bearing the cross, the flesh is crucified that His Spirit may be made manifest in the world. Each obstacle overcome adds strength for overcoming the next. We learn to overcome all that hinders us from becoming one with Him. This is made possible in service.
(09:34:40) (Bill) It is a glorious thing to know that we are helping Him through our service to others, to make known His purpose to bring mankind back to the Father. We never lose so long as we give. God gave His only begotten Son and received back a glorified Son who had shown a world the way back to the Father.
(09:35:59) (Bill) . It was the Son, in whom the Father was well pleased, who gave His all, even His life for His brethren. It is necessary that we bear the cross for our own development; but it is most glorious to have the opportunity to bear the cross for the sake of Him who made the way of escape possible for us.
(09:36:23) (Bill) Why was it necessary that He, the Maker of heaven and earth, should bear a cross?
(09:36:38) (Bill) The God Force became ensnared in matter and, in the first Adam, fell. It was necessary therefore, that the God Force, the Creator, individualize Himself as an example and by overcoming the world become the Law, in order that man might know the way out. So, in the last Adam all are made alive.
(09:36:52) (Solya) I know, but I´m not telling.
(09:37:14) (Bill) He, the Maker of heaven and earth, came to earth to bear the cross that He might add His experiences and activities to ours. His purpose was is to lead the sons of men back to the realization that they are, indeed, sons of God and are at one with the Father.
(09:37:58) (Solya) If people ONLY that Bill. That scripture around it says that even as in Adam ALL died so in Jesus ALL will be made alaive.
(09:38:01) (Bill) In His bearing the cross, “It is finished,” (John 19.30) so far as the overcoming of the flesh and worldly things are concerned. He paved the way for His followers of every age. It was necessary that He, the Son of God, the Co-worker with the Creator, come to earth to demonstrate that the flesh could be overcome ~~
(09:38:11) (Qrious) makes you wonder,, him being God an all.. woulda' knew he'd get ensnared.
(09:38:14) (Israel) Is it the flesh that is crucifies or self?
(09:39:01) (Bill) ~~ thus giving glory to the Father who had made man for His glory. He bore the cross of materiality that He might change it to the glorified cross of spirituality. He left burning in the hearts of His followers the declaration, “And I, if I be lifted up … will draw all men unto me,” (John 12.32)
(09:39:44) (Solya) The crucifixin is of the negative, rebellious, me only, construct that we have made. The cross becomes joyful when we view it from Spirit.
(09:39:48) (Bill) ) and again, “He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” (John 14.12)
(09:40:25) (Bill) He went all the way. He was tempted in all ways, like unto us. He was numbered with the transgressors. “He was bruised for our transgressions, by His stripes we are healed,”*Isa. 53:5. and in all He was more than a conqueror. “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
(09:41:03) (Bill) . Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not that his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
(09:41:28) (Bill) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.”(John 15.13-16) What was the object of the cross? For what was the supreme sacrifice? That we though His strength might come to the knowledge and understanding of the way, might be able to overcome all things, and become kings and priests unto God.
(09:42:07) (Qrious) so we are pals and not servants huh. hmm.
(09:42:10) (Bill) Again, it was His way to show to mankind what divine love could do, and how it was possible to live a perfect, blameless life with all the disintegrating influences that surround us day by day. In every period of development through the ages, He has walked and talked with men.
(09:42:50) (Bill) . Those who understand know that whenever there was a need for man’s awakening, the Son of Man entered the earth plane. The cross became the emblem of Him who offered Himself of Himself. For that cause, for that purpose came He into the world that He Himself, in overcoming the world, might gain the crown.
(09:43:33) (Bill) Why did He come into the world as a man that He might bear a cross?
(09:43:53) (Bill) It was through His thought and will that man took physical form. Only through the physical could the spiritual essence be aroused, awakened from its slumber, and set upon the path of spiritual progress.
(09:44:11) (Bill) The question is answered: First, because of His own need to conquer the world in material manifestation, and second, because of the need of mankind for a guide, a teacher, and a savior. The first is expressed in the following: “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered”; (Heb. 5.8) and the second is, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” (John 14.6)
(09:44:58) (Bill) He chose to take upon Himself the responsibility of overcoming the physical or making Himself the law through the fulfillment of all requirements. By adding His experiences and activities to ours He links man with God, bringing man in a close attunement with God and causing him to become conscious of the Oneness of all. He came to show and teach us fellowship with God through our service to others.
(09:45:59) (Bill) As man, He knew the physical trails ~~ doubts and fears, weaknesses and turmoil ~~ of spiritual beings encased in material shells. He showed His ability as a man to demonstrate the possibility of man, as man, to bring spiritual harmony into physical vibration.
(09:46:34) (Bill) He ever stressed the oneness of all force, demonstrating the direct relationship between man and the Creator. He came in the flesh to show that we in the flesh could become as He, God in Spirit; and taught that we may be one, even as He and the Father are one.
(09:46:55) (Bill) . Then this one, the Adam that first entered the world, must become the Savior of the world. It was committed into His care. “Be thou fruitful, and multiply, and subdue the earth.” (Gen. 1.28.)
(09:47:20) (Bill) Hence, the first Adam, the last Adam, was given power over the earth, and, as in each soul, the first to be conquered was self. Then all things, conditions, and elements are subject unto Him.
(09:47:45) (Bill) . So He became that One who was able to take the world, the earth, back to the source from whence it came. All power is given into His keeping in the earth which He has overcome. Self, death, and hell became subservient unto Him through the conquering of self. “In the beginning was the Word and Word was with God, and the Word was God, the same was in the beginning with God.” (John l.l,2.)
(09:48:07) (Qrious) so he was teaching us to subdue even ourselves. hmm.
(09:48:21) (Bill) .) The Word came and dwelt among men, the offspring of self in a material world. The Word overcame the world; hence the world became then as the servant of that One who overcame it.
(09:49:02) (Bill) thats this evenings lesson in a nut shell we can go over any part you wish to discuss
(09:49:50) (Solya) Bill, tonight you have chimed the bells that mean the most in my sanctuary. I am in tears.
(09:50:47) (Leon) Bill, I am in question??????????
(09:51:03) (Bill) okay Leon lets here
(09:51:09) (Qrious) So.. the God Force got ensnared.. but the reason was to show us how to be spiritual in the physical form to make the earth a servant to us also cause we are pals.. in a nutshell.
(09:51:38) (ernie) ya then we got gready and hear we sit
(09:51:49) (Leon) First Amelias came here 18 million yrs Couldi't be the maker of heaven and earth
(09:52:08) (ernie) amebas>?
(09:52:18) (merri) Amilius
(09:52:25) (Leon) Yes alias Jesus
(09:52:31) (Qrious) in the begining was the word.. and nothing that was made was made without the word.. hmm.. sounds like the same person.
(09:52:38) (Solya) Tonight, I have learned how to overcome unvanquished temptations. To ask for help, not of God alone, but of others. Not only do I have the joy of giving out of my abunance but the joy of receiving from those who love me. Thank you.
(09:52:41) (One) As Cayce gave when He said to subdue the earth He Meant self
(09:52:44) (ernie) when i read genises i think of it as milanioums\
(09:52:47) (Bill) Leon was the first in spirit or flesh which you are refurring too?
(09:52:54) (patricia) Amelius was not a physical being was he?
(09:53:12) (merri) yes he was pat
(09:53:34) (Leon) he wa s not
(09:53:36) (ernie) in lots of years
(09:53:47) (patricia) oh, okay, thought hr was of spirit. thank you merri
(09:53:50) (One) The idea as Cayce gave is to come to the Knowledge of Knowing Yourself To BE Yourself Yet One.
(09:53:53) (ernie) dosent matter
(09:53:57) (merri) yes he was according to Cayce and the Atlantis story
(09:54:02) (Bill) the 1st Adam was in flesh
(09:54:12) (Qrious) seems to me.. that flesh began with the start of Adam.. of the dust of the earth.. and Amelius would be spiritual.
(09:54:17) (ernie) who was first its who is now witch is all of us
(09:54:29) (patricia) that is what i thought Q
(09:54:57) (Blu) Adam was the first man, Amilius was not a man, but he was physical
(09:54:57) (Lory) Adam was the very first physical being.
(09:55:07) (ernie) flesh and spirit had to come together at some time / hu? how
(09:55:12) (Leon) I can see where the earth had to be prepared to inhabit ---ex. plants and animals that could take a while to produce
(09:55:21) (One) There were different influxes of souls.
(09:55:24) (Bethany) Blu what does that mean?
(09:55:34) (Blu) Ameilius was an adrogenous being
(09:55:34) (ernie) boyut it was born with fresh flesh themn realised spirituality
(09:55:38) (ernie) as it grew
(09:55:50) (Bill) Leon plants and animals were long before mankind
(09:55:51) (Bethany) Aaah
(09:55:55) (One) The Knowledge you need you alreadt posses....apply it.
(09:55:55) (Blu) Adam was the first human, but there were physical beings here
(09:55:56) (Qrious) well.. physical in the sence of the transfigured body.. a glorified body.. that can partake of food..like Jesus did. and the wounds were felt by Thomas.. and the angels ate food also called mana.. so.. maybe that kind of flesh.
(09:55:56) (patricia) okay Blu, i see.
(09:56:07) (Bethany) made by whom?
(09:56:15) (Blu) They just came
(09:56:24) (Blu) influx of spirit forms
(09:56:25) (Bethany) as some angels were, you mean?
(09:56:27) (Bill) then mankind as we know it must have also taken millions of yrs. to evolve into man as we know him
(09:56:33) (Cris) Before there was the male/female genders Lory?
(09:57:00) (Blu) Before Atlantis was Mu
(09:57:02) (Qrious) and the same kind of flesh.. when the sons of God went in unto the daughters of man.. and had Nephiliums.. so there was impregnations done.. so some form of solid being had to be so.
(09:57:02) (Qrious) and the same kind of flesh.. when the sons of God went in unto the daughters of man.. and had Nephiliums.. so there was impregnations done.. so some form of solid being had to be so.
(09:57:10) (ernie) thats where a wenrt arry
(09:57:13) (Blu) right Q
(09:57:23) (Bill) Leon i'm sure animals have evoled much over the eons of time as well science dictates that
(09:57:28) (Lory) I believe so, Cris. The story in the Bible of Adam and Eve are the first physical beings like us today.
(09:57:31) (Blu) and they were Centuars, mermaids, etc
(09:57:37) (Bethany) manna can be found on the ground in North Carolina - it is a white, spongey like substance, is that the same "manna" the people were fed with?? It IS edible
(09:57:46) (ernie) you r all missing the point
(09:58:18) (ernie) i thought this was a higher enlightment room lets get past the how
(09:58:20) (Bill) Lory they would be more along the lines of cavemen
(09:58:20) (Qrious) but my confusion is thus.. the daughters of man gave birth to the Men of Renown.. and not the angelic beings.. so to me.. the angels were male.. cause like Adam.. Eve was of him.. therein lies my confusion.
(09:58:37) (Cris) Shirley McLaine had an article on the seperation process in something I read one time
(09:58:39) (ernie) and get to the point go
(09:58:42) (Blu) Why Ernie, how is intersting!
(09:58:44) (Bethany) Well, some of us, ernie, are interested in the "how" - probably not as enlightened as others
(09:58:46) (Qrious) Really Beth.. now thats new to me.
(09:59:04) (Leon) I firmly disagree-- Jesus along with ouy minds together created a "new"" for us to dwell in
(09:59:11) (Cris) Back when the male/female beings were coming to be
(09:59:15) (Bill) Q they would not be of any gender
(09:59:25) (Bethany) what's new to you, Q?
(09:59:29) (ernie) yes how is that the problem where lost in and forget you a servant of the creator
(09:59:32) (Qrious) I just question it Bill.. thats all.
(09:59:54) (Leon) a new earth
(10:00:02) (Solya) Q, it is good to question, to think , to ponder as Mary pondered in her heart.
(10:00:02) (Blu) Nothing wrong with a question
(10:00:05) (ernie) dont take offence
(10:00:20) (Bethany) ernie - MY God doesn't/didn't mind questions
(10:00:31) (Bill) Q its hard for man to eqate in spiritual beings rather than physical
(10:00:38) (Qrious) but we are still talking about the fleshly part of spirituality aren't we?
(10:00:51) (ernie) ]or take it just try to listen what im saing get to the point of what we are to do
(10:01:03) (Solya) I think if Adam and Eve had questoned God about the forbidden fruit, and ernestly asked to understand, they would not have eaten it. We need to question.
(10:01:08) (patricia) Yes, I am interested in every detail. sorry, i am the curious type
(10:01:30) (Cris) You have to question and use your intution or you are susceptible to being led by cultish groups
(10:01:49) (Solya) God said, come let us reason together.
(10:01:51) (Bill) ernie i don't believe we've ever been servant of the Creator we only slipped away from our place as one with the Creator son and daughters
(10:01:54) (ernie) everyone talks of the to do and the everyday problems but you all dont do nothing about tit
(10:01:55) (Cris) Some churches can be very cultish
(10:02:17) (Solya) many of us do much about it , ernie
(10:02:18) (Leon) I see the dificulty of expressing the we transformed in a sense this planet for us to inhabit but someone was the leader Amelias or commonly know today as Jesus
(10:02:35) (patricia) how do you know this ernie. i am doing what i know how to do. as i grow, i will learn to do more.
(10:02:36) (Qrious) well.. they were just given a command.. as children Solya.. to obey is what was in question.. that is what Eve obviously thought when the serpent entertained the thought that God was lying to them about dying.
(10:02:44) (One) Did Jesus serve the Creator?
(10:02:50) (One) He did not come alone.
(10:02:53) (ernie) im talking to myself
(10:03:25) (One) Many suls came with the Master to help Him.
(10:03:26) (Solya) But children eagerly ask questions.
(10:03:38) (Lory) Prior to Adam and Eve, I do not believe there was any propogation. Atlantis habitat was all a spiritual essence.
(10:03:43) (Solya) They could have questioned God. God is never offended when we want to know and understand.
(10:04:30) (Leon) Atlantis I believe was of spiritual essence
(10:04:36) (Qrious) what more could they want Solya.. they had everything.. and God was with them also.. was it that even with all this Eden.. it isn't enough?
(10:04:51) (One) Little or nothing is by chance.
(10:05:03) (Leon) Solya YOU have the best comments
(10:05:06) (One) Button pushers have their place too.
(10:05:26) (Qrious) lol One.
(10:05:35) (Solya) It wasn´t what they wanted. It was the refusal to understand their temptations and ask for help from God who would have helped them understand that to eat of the fruut if evil is to die and what spiritual death is. It was laziness on their part, I believe
(10:06:47) (Qrious) laziness.. naw.. they were told.. and did not obey.. simple as that. A why would be to question God as an equal.. wouldn't it?
(10:07:12) (Bill) Solya the garden of eden is symbolism its not a matter of who ate fruit or why its giving us the how 1st man chose to express their free will
(10:07:14) (friend_to_mankind) Only one way to walk
(10:07:18) (Qrious) cause the questioning would be akin to being able to negotiate terms with God.
(10:07:47) (Lory) And that free will to man was given by God in the very beginning, Bill.
(10:07:50) (Leon) Remember Adam and Eve brought (5) brought our races into physical form-- I would like to die after reaching old age. I'm glad to know that my mind is still MEEEEEEE
(10:08:10) (Solya) I also speak in symbolism, Bill. Not only the tree or the fruit or the symbol, but Oh God, grant me the understanding to resist the garbage.
(10:08:13) (One) It strengthens you and builds individuality in the application towards the ideal mantained.
(10:08:16) (Qrious) and wouldn't it be like saying to Jesus.. Why.. would you want to sacrafice yourself for me.. I don't know you and should I even care.
(10:08:18) (Bill) as souls Lory and we started expressing it soon after as time goes
(10:09:01) (One) God brings people, places, events together for a Reason.