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Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 3, 2005 21:55:16 GMT -5
Search For God: Book One: 10-03-05 Lesson Four: "Faith" (08:28:13) (Bill) i post the affirmation for us to ponder on for a min. or 2
(08:28:17) (Bill) : Create in me a pure heart, O God. Open Thou my heart to the faith Thou hast implanted in all that seek Thy face. Help Thou mine unbelief in my God, in my neighbor, in myself. (262-12)
(08:28:34) (Roz) Amen
(08:28:43) (merri) Amen
(08:28:46) (Raleigh) amen
(08:28:47) (Bill) Amen
(08:28:50) (patricia) Amen
(08:28:54) (gilly) amen
(08:28:57) (ron) amen
(08:29:01) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(08:29:05) (Cris) Amen
(08:29:10) (diane) Amen
(08:30:21) (Bill) Guess we can get on with lesson 4 and see what info it has for us.
(08:30:26) (Bill) Lesson No. 4 Faith “Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.”
(08:30:41) (merri) Faith=Belief in that which is not seen
(08:31:16) (Bill) yes Merri and quench all the evil firey darts :o)
(08:31:33) (Bill) What is Faith? Faith is an attribute of the soul. It is the inner spiritual knowledge of the Creative Forces of the universe. As we become cognizant of the physical body through the senses, so we may become aware of the soul through the activity of its attributes. Faith may be denied or renounced until it ceases to exist within the consciousness of the physical mind.
(08:32:03) (Roz) Faith = the knowledge that we are guided every moment of our lives
(08:32:12) (Bill) It can be acknowledged and exercised until it will remove mountains. That which is brought into consciousness through the activity of spiritual forces, manifesting in and through the spiritual force of the individual, becomes the essence of faith itself.
(08:32:21) (Raleigh) is not faith represented by a shield as well bill?
(08:32:43) (Bill) could be Ral i'm not that familiar
(08:32:52) (Bill) yes Roz
(08:32:55) (Bill) . Hence, it has been termed by many that faith, pure faith, accepts or rejects without basis of reason, or beyond the ken and scope of that which is perceived through ~~ that which man brings to his activity through ~~ the five senses.
(08:33:28) (Raleigh) helmet of salvation / shield of faith / boots of peace / like that bill / sword of truth / // :)
(08:33:38) (Bill) Faith, as defined by Barnabas, “is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen”. (P.R. see Heb. 11.1). Faith knows that it has already received and acts accordingly, doubting nothing. It is the builder of the seemingly impossible. It is that which has brought into manifestation all that has ever existed.
(08:33:54) (merri) there you go
(08:34:11) (Bill) . God is, faith is. It is the evidence of God’s promise fulfilled. Man’s divine privilege is to accept, use, develop and enjoy the fruits of faith.. God is, faith is. It is the evidence of God’s promise fulfilled. Man’s divine privilege is to accept, use, develop and enjoy the fruits of faith.
(08:35:05) (Bill) In the material world we often mistake confidence for faith. We are prone to depend upon our physical senses, forgetting that they are deceptive. This is not faith, but confidence ~~ for confidence comes through the physical senses.
(08:35:35) (Bill) . When trials and disasters arise, that are seemingly beyond our power to control, we begin to sink, and immediately in hopelessness and distress we cry out, “Lord, help me, I perish!” It is then that the Voice speaks, “O ye of little faith!”. (Luke 12.28).
(08:36:33) (Bill) Many say, “We have faith”, but they begin to explain that it applies to mental and not to material things. We say, “We believe, but~~” which means there is doubt, the very opposite of faith. Remember, when we entered this material plane, we became subject to material laws. It is the failure of our senses to perceive and fully understand these laws that brings many of us to the point where we have little real faith.
(08:37:53) (Bill) There is a world before us to be understood: the mysteries of the universe, the law of love, the power of thought and the matchless gift of faith. We stumble, we falter, even when we have the divine promise
(08:38:17) (Bill) “If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, ‘Remove hence to yonder place’; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.” (Matt. 17.20). With such a promise, should we not cry out, “Lord, I believe; help Thou mine unbelief”? (Mark 9.24).
(08:39:01) (Bill) Need of Faith: Faith is victory, for where there is faith rightly placed, there is no failure, but true success. “Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life”; (Rev. 2.10) that is, be full of faith and have as a reward life’s crowning glories. We know that all our development, physical, mental, and spiritual, depends upon our faith in God, in our fellow man, and in ourselves.
(08:39:39) (Bill) Just in proportion to the amount of faith we place in God and in ourselves, just so great is our development. Why not take God at His word, letting our faith become a living faith by acting in the manner that shows to the world that we know ourselves to be sons of God. There is no other way to real victory.
(08:40:15) (Bill) Let us have more faith in our fellow man. We may not agree with him, but who knows whether he is not more in line with the divine plan than if he were following our lead? It is well to remember that our Ideal is manifested through our fellow man as well as through ourselves, and it is, therefore, more necessary for us to trust him, even though appearances may be against it.
(08:40:41) (Raleigh) really / faith = develpoement / i din know that 1 bill
(08:41:01) (Bill) It is not only our privilege, but our duty to have faith in ourselves. We are workers together with God, and when we doubt ourselves, we doubt the God within us. He has promised, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee”. (Heb. 13.5)
(08:41:29) (Bill) ) Call to mind the words: “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me”. (Phil. 4:13.) In His Name we are more than conquerors. It is only by having the faith of a little child in the abiding presence of the Christ that we can hope to inherit the kingdom.
(08:42:42) (Bill) How Faith Is Developed: Faith is developed by the use of it. It cannot be taught or forced, neither can true faith be destroyed. Through the exercising of faith, we are able to give enlightenment to others.
(08:43:19) (Bill) Let the mind be in us that was in Jesus the Christ; then there will come faith that is sufficient unto every need, even that faith which removes mountains, changes the destiny of nations, yea, and even brings worlds into existence. Do we believe this? Then, how may this be accomplished? By opening our hearts in meditation to the unseen forces that surround the throne of grace, beauty and might, and at the same time by throwing about us the protection found
(08:44:05) (Bill) . Then let us add to our faith works which show forth attributes that are expressions of His Spirit in the world. Thus shall our faith develop and become to us evidence of things not seen. We must show by our actions in our daily lives that we believe, that we have faith, and that we know as we use what we have, more will be given.
(08:44:50) (Bill) In times of trial, let us think of the faith that has sustained others in troubles far greater than ours. When our conscious minds would magnify our doubts, let us awaken our faith by rising above the cries of the flesh. Are we not children of the Most High? Let us hold steadfastly to this gift that is God-given, that will lead us upward along the way of life.
(08:46:05) (Bill) okay thats the lesson for this evening i have a couple more small posts then we can rehash the material
(08:46:28) (Raleigh) that last post i found very good bill
(08:46:58) (Raleigh) as all you show were too / :) / ty bill
(08:47:11) (Bill) Something for group participation :
(08:47:21) (Bill) 1. In what way can I use my mind to strengthen my faith?
(08:47:43) (Bill) any suggestions?
(08:47:51) (merri) think positive
(08:48:01) (Raleigh) by showing bravery
(08:48:01) (Blu) meditate
(08:48:14) (Cris) Let go and let God
(08:49:34) (Raleigh) and you bill / how do you strenthen your faith?
(08:49:36) (diane) Prayer and scripure reading help build faith
(08:49:37) (Bill) 2. Ponder this statement: “it isn’t what I profess to believe but the way I live that counts.
(08:49:49) (Blu) One way I use my mind to increase my faith and steady myself when I get rocky is to think back on the times when God has answered me in an obvious way.
(08:49:57) (Bill) yes Diane and as it stated meditation
(08:50:14) (diane) yes
(08:50:19) (BlackWolf) Nice statement, Bill. :o)
(08:50:22) (Raleigh) because ation speaks louder than words bill
(08:50:57) (Bill) Ral i try and live in such a way there is no doubt in my mind that all is well and taken care of because i try and always do my best
(08:51:01) (Blu) all in the application, because we have to work through circumstances
(08:51:49) (Raleigh) i show excellence in my life as well bill /
(08:51:51) (Cris) leading by example
(08:51:52) (merri) be an example
(08:51:58) (Bill) yes Blu
(08:51:59) (Raleigh) as in my work
(08:52:13) (Bill) for sure Cris be a living example for all
(08:52:26) (Bill) Ral as in your daily living
(08:52:33) (Raleigh) yes
(08:52:41) (Bill) 3. Faith is not without question, but trust without reservation.
(08:52:41) (diane) even the mundane and trivial is important, small ways of showing love are good opportunities
(08:52:51) (friend_to_mankind) faith is a gift
(08:53:01) (Cheryl) treat others as you would want to be treated.
(08:53:18) (diane) grace is a gift. faith and grace take nurturing
(08:53:27) (Raleigh) hmmm / i see show no doubt in this 1 bill
(08:53:49) (Bill) Faith is a bridge that spans the gulf from the seen to the unseen. It is often all we have left when everything seems against us. With this in mind, how diligently should we cultivate and seek to increase our faith when all is going well with us, in order that it may be a strong fortress when the storms of life begin to beat upon us. Lord, increase our faith!
(08:53:51) (Cris) faith is certainty of the unseen love of GOD
(08:53:56) (patricia) friend, how is it a gift. it is something that we each must develop on our own, or not, which ever the case may be.
(08:55:11) (Bill) living in such a way we know it to be fact
(08:55:26) (Bill) How Faith Is Developed: Faith is developed by the use of it. It cannot be taught or forced, neither can true faith be destroyed. Through the exercising of faith, we are able to give enlightenment to others.
(08:55:33) (patricia) hmmm, I can see that i need to work on strengthing my faith.
(08:55:37) (diane) especially when you live among a hoard of doubters
(08:56:03) (Raleigh) im not sure on this 1 bill
(08:56:11) (Blu) That is why being thankful is so necessary
(08:56:18) (Bill) Let us have more faith in our fellow man. We may not agree with him, but who knows whether he is not more in line with the divine plan than if he were following our lead? It is well to remember that our Ideal is manifested through our fellow man as well as through ourselves, and it is, therefore, more necessary for us to trust him, even though appearances may be against it.
(08:56:44) (Raleigh) yes thanks even for trials ec and script state blu
(08:57:07) (diane) you're not the only one pat. lol
(08:57:11) (merri) an attitude of gratitude
(08:57:50) (Blu) Even though Jesus asked "Abba" to take the cup from him, He followed through in faith
(08:57:54) (Moira) I think there is even a lesson in faltering faith
(08:57:54) (Raleigh) i had no faith
(08:57:59) (Q) to practice anything that is in sync with what you believe in.. is to exercise your faith to a point it becomes a part of you and no longer a thought of what you should do.. a knowing.. to discern.. Gods will or yours..
(08:58:21) (Roz) agreed Q a knowing
(08:58:23) (Blu) and it may be hard to see, but in essence those who killed crusified Him did God's will
(08:58:29) (Bill) " Faith knows that it has already recieved and acts accordingly doubting knothing."
(08:58:51) (diane) a couple of years ago i determined to suspend my disbelief
(08:59:04) (diane) just as a little excercise
(08:59:15) (patricia) what happened diane?
(08:59:16) (Q) well said Bill.
(08:59:25) (Raleigh) at all / i had no faith / i could not accept god by faith as instructed / at 15 / athiest / big / i prayed 1/2 a-- and shook my fist at god to prve he was there / he did / enter ec
(08:59:26) (diane) and all kinds of things started to fall into place
(08:59:32) (CoolRunningWaters) All works in Gods Favor, not all is of Gods EWill in His Children.
(08:59:33) (Raleigh) as
(08:59:43) (Bill) one of the3 most challenging teachings of Jesus is found in the 14th chapter of John
(08:59:43) (diane) it was like i stopped paddling upstream
(09:00:04) (Raleigh) so yes pat
(09:00:05) (diane) and i started to go with the flow
(09:00:19) (Raleigh) same as you / my faith is 100 percent
(09:00:24) (Raleigh) pat
(09:00:31) (Raleigh) now
(09:00:45) (Bill) "What ever you ask in my name, i will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it."
(09:01:14) (diane) that's challanging
(09:01:56) (patricia) Bill, faith can't make another person change the things that they are doing. how do we deal with something like that?
(09:02:24) (Q) But there is a catch Bill.. you have to live a righteous type life.. first.. is how I understand it... or at least strive to attain one that best fits your situation... My opinion only.
(09:02:40) (diane) maybe we see the person as one who'll strengthen our faith pat
(09:02:46) (Notify) gilly (icldap1) logged out. (Gilly)
(09:02:47) (Bill) Pat i don't believe its our job to change others that would infringe on their free will, our job is to set an example
(09:02:49) (merri) leave it to God and let go, pat
(09:02:56) (Q) Its just that.. God seems to answer the one that is in accord with his will.
(09:03:26) (Bill) Q we must live what we believe to be true
(09:03:33) (Moira) I think it depends whose on your team lol
(09:03:38) (Bill) Many say, “We have faith”, but they begin to explain that it applies to mental and not to material things. We say, “We believe, but~~” which means there is doubt, the very opposite of faith. Remember, when we entered this material plane, we became subject to material laws. It is the failure of our senses to perceive and fully understand these laws that brings many of us to the point where we have little real faith.
(09:03:47) (CoolRunningWaters) Those who serve God do that which the Will of God Moves them to do.
(09:04:59) (Bill) In the material world we often mistake confidence for faith. We are prone to depend upon our physical senses, forgetting that they are deceptive. This is not faith, but confidence ~~ for confidence comes through the physical senses.
(09:05:03) (Raleigh) \yes blu / no judas no cross / i see that as well
(09:05:10) (Q) Thats understandable Bill.. but if you knowingly commit false living standards then you would fall short of the mark.. and should ask for forgiveness ,, then repent, then pray for what is required..
(09:05:32) (Moira) you just hit the nail on the head Bill I was there today
(09:05:47) (Bill) When trials and disasters arise, that are seemingly beyond our power to control, we begin to sink, and immediately in hopelessness and distress we cry out, “Lord, help me, I perish!” It is then that the Voice speaks, “O ye of little faith!”. (Luke 12.28). |
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Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 3, 2005 21:58:14 GMT -5
(09:06:01) (Q) believe its recieved,, doubting nothing of course, and act accordingly.. how,, within the limits of the fruits of the spirit.
(09:06:07) (Raleigh) wish i would have saw gilly to state that all relions of the world lead to jesus / ec said that
(09:06:40) (diane) the best religion is the one that leads you closest to God
(09:06:50) (Raleigh) to the son
(09:06:52) (diane) take your pick
(09:06:56) (Raleigh) 262-14
(09:07:00) (patricia) Bill, some trials and disasters ARE beyond our power to control.
(09:07:08) (Raleigh) nope
(09:07:11) (Raleigh) the son
(09:07:31) (Bill) yes Pat but know they are for the betterment of all mankind
(09:07:32) (diane) Father, Son and Holy Spirit
(09:08:16) (Raleigh) his word / jesus will be presented to every soul to choose / then the end will come / or as merri says the beginning
(09:08:19) (Moira) I was trying to compare faith to some other quality and confidence came up you say confidence is based in the senes but SFG says that provings come through the senses. Can you explain this further
(09:08:22) (Cris) The disasters are but not our reaction to them
(09:08:26) (Bill) have faith the Father knows whats best and has set up Universal Laws to give us the needed stepping stones
(09:08:37) (Raleigh) period
(09:08:42) (Cris) We can have faith that God is opening new doors
(09:09:02) (Cris) Just not the way we expected
(09:10:00) (Moira) and how to you know faith when the people who tell you to have have and trust in God lie to you
(09:10:18) (Cheryl) Pat, these trials are for your development & strengthen your spirit. Do not give in to the doubters but pray for strength to get thru it just for today. He gives us our daily needs.
(09:11:01) (patricia) Thank you Cheryl, one day at a time.
(09:11:04) (merri) Moira the knowing has to come from within not without
(09:11:17) (Moira) k merri
(09:11:43) (Bill) Moira the spirit is within :o)\
(09:11:54) (Moira) a do it yourself kit eh?
(09:12:01) (Raleigh) i thought you said your strenth of faith was big princess/
(09:12:07) (Q) put you trust in God.. never in man.,, man cannot save your soul.
(09:12:11) (merri) lol you got it, Moira
(09:12:13) (Cris) hard times in our lives are like the fires that temper metals and make them stronger
(09:12:48) (Moira) and Bill has the instruction set
(09:12:54) (patricia) Ral, my strength and faith is quite big, but it is not big enough i guess.
(09:13:20) (Blu) Yes it is patricia, I have faith in you right now, even if you do not!
(09:13:22) (Bill) You only fail if you quit trying. The trying is oft counted for righteousness. Remember as He has given, "I do not condemn thee." Go be patient, be kind, and the Lord be with thee!
(09:13:31) (Bill) reading 3292-1
(09:13:41) (Raleigh) hmm / well by the works sake then / imagine lazuras called from death / like that pat
(09:14:05) (Blu) Have to keep a balance Patricia, are you taking care of your needs too?
(09:14:33) (Blu) I mean, go out and have some fun Woman!
(09:14:41) (patricia) probably not Blu, just making it from one day to the next right now.
(09:14:56) (patricia) lol, Blu
(09:14:58) (Raleigh) play is good / as a child right?
(09:15:10) (Blu) You know what I do when I have to go to the dentist and make it through that root canal?
(09:15:29) (patricia) what?
(09:15:32) (Blu) I sit there and tell my self this won't last, over and over and it doesn't!
(09:15:56) (Blu) This too shall pass
(09:16:02) (Blu) just remeber that
(09:16:29) (patricia) this too shall pass, Blu. wish i had a nickel everytime i have reminded myself of that. :o)
(09:16:31) (diane) excellent point , Blu
09:16:38) (Bill) its by living and applying our ideals in our daily lives we also build faith as we see the results
(09:16:42) (Bill) May the desire of my heart be such that I become more and more aware of the spirit of the Father, through the Christ, manifesting in me.
(09:16:51) (Blu) remeber that hymn, How Great thou art? Sing it
(09:16:56) (Bill) Let the light of the love of the Christ be my guide.
(09:17:09) (Bill) Help me to blot out all fear and doubt from my consciousness, and fill my life with love and peace.
(09:17:22) (Bill) Not my will, but Yours, Lord, be done in and through me.
(09:17:34) (Bill) HAPPINESS Let me find happiness in my love for You, Lord, and in the love I bear toward others.
(09:17:41) (Bill) Help me to know that the spirit of truth and justice is at work in the earth.
(09:17:56) (Bill) LOVE Through the love You have shown us through Your Son, the Christ, make us more aware of "God is Love."
(09:18:08) (Bill) LOVE Let the light be within me so that I, as a child of God, may realize Your love for us.
(09:18:21) (diane) the really difficult thing to do is give praise to God when things are a disaster
(09:18:44) (Raleigh) that is the best time to prove your faith di
(09:19:02) (friend_to_mankind) stand aside and watch self pass by
(09:19:03) (diane) yes ral
(09:19:03) (Bill) yes Diane that it why it is so critical we build while things are going well for us :o)
(09:19:06) (Cheryl) Amen
(09:19:10) (Moira) how about this di....these disasters could lead to the 100 years of peace
(09:19:12) (diane) and it ain't easy
(09:19:24) (Bill) Bring peace first in self, that we may love the Christ spirit and have peace in our hearts day by day.
(09:19:32) (friend_to_mankind) be an observer
(09:19:38) (WalksInSpirit) Diane, when I got out of the hospital and was taken to the rubble that used to be our home, I stood there with tears in my eyes in the middle of all of that rubble and I said "Thank you, God!"
(09:19:41) (Raleigh) yes / not easy to practice / tell me about it
(09:19:43) (patricia) Moira, i am counting on l000 years of peace.
(09:19:47) (friend_to_mankind) amen brother
(09:19:48) (WalksInSpirit) After the tornado.
(09:19:53) (diane) Wow WIS
(09:20:05) (diane) Now that's Faith...capital F
(09:20:06) (Moira) cool pat think big
(09:20:12) (Cheryl) Wow, walks
(09:20:16) (Bill) Know ye this, each of you: The law of the Lord is perfect, ye cannot get around it. Ye may for the moment submerge it, but thy conscience will smite thee.
(09:20:25) (Raleigh) walks got hit by a tornado bad for those here that dont know this
(09:21:03) (Raleigh) god walks
(09:21:08) (WalksInSpirit) Just as He did for Job, He did for me. He restored me.
(09:21:18) (Raleigh) how did you keep your faith walks
(09:21:37) (WalksInSpirit) That, and Blu was all I had left, Ral.
(09:21:39) (friend_to_mankind) the gauntlet
(09:21:55) (Raleigh) you were thrown i recall
(09:22:06) (Blu) the real question is how can you loose faith? when you know, you know
(09:22:33) (WalksInSpirit) How could I not? I mean, I lived through something that killed a family of 4 right next door.
(09:22:40) (Bill) yes Blu
(09:22:46) (Raleigh) goodness
(09:22:49) (Blu) put a horse in a tree
(09:22:53) (WalksInSpirit) And several more on down the road. Yet, I am here.
(09:22:58) (diane) When you know that you know, having faith is natural
(09:23:18) (Blu) Even if WIS had died, faith would not have been lost
(09:23:20) (Q) Faith recieves , love gives, No one will recieve without faith, No one will be able to give without love.
(09:23:35) (Raleigh) well / glad your still with us w/e blu / you helped me so very much
(09:23:36) (Bill) What is Faith? Faith is an attribute of the soul. It is the inner spiritual knowledge of the Creative Forces of the universe. As we become cognizant of the physical body through the senses, so we may become aware of the soul through the activity of its attributes. Faith may be denied or renounced until it ceases to exist within the consciousness of the physical mind. It can be acknowledged and exercised until it will remove mountains.
(09:23:38) (diane) Amen, Q
(09:23:53) (Q) Its in the Gospel of Phillip.
(09:24:23) (diane) nice bit of scripture
(09:24:28) (Bill) . That which is brought into consciousness through the activity of spiritual forces, manifesting in and through the spiritual force of the individual, becomes the essence of faith itself. Hence, it has been termed by many that faith, pure faith, accepts or rejects without basis of reason, or beyond the ken and scope of that which is perceived through ~~ that which man brings to his activity through ~~ the five senses.
(09:24:47) (friend_to_mankind) faith fulfilled is knowledge
(09:26:21) (diane) faith accepts or rejects without basis of reason....wow
(09:26:57) (Q) I kinda think of it as faith fullfilled is obedience to the law of Love.
(09:27:20) (diane) so, it does not stand to reason that the mt. will move, yet it will move . beyond reason. but it will really move
(09:27:24) (Raleigh) reson is thrown out when it comes to miricles as well i noticed /
(09:28:18) (Moira) self esteem and confidence are prerequisites of faith/
(09:28:27) (Blu) I have seen the whole world move, not just mouintains!
(09:28:33) (diane) Thank you Bill. As always, so uplifting!
(09:28:53) (Q) by faith I shall make dynamite and make a bulldozer... yah.. thats the ticket... with patience.. the mountain will move. lol
(09:29:16) (BlackWolf) Erosion takes a long time, Q. :o)
(09:29:22) (friend_to_mankind) yes
(09:29:31) (Q) backhoe then?
(09:29:52) (Blu) prayer works too ;-)
(09:29:56) (Von) too slow Q
(09:30:12) (Roz) God gives the impetus Q
(09:30:15) (merri) does faith have to be a factor to practice the Law of Love?
(09:31:01) (Blu) can you love with out faith?
(09:31:07) (Raleigh-brb) we are hands for god yes q
(09:31:11) (merri) why not
(09:31:12) (Q) I would think that ,, being open to the blessings.. that would occur around you due to your prayers and faithfullness.. is the manner in which you will recognize the answer that God has given you to do something about a situation.
(09:31:39) (Blu) because love can not be seen either
(09:32:06) (Q) Expect that your faithful prayers will be answered.. but dang it.. keep an eye open for it when it happens... and a ear open to its opportunity.
(09:33:11) (Bill) okay i even have a merri faith quote , [Dreams are] a natural experience! It's not unnatural! Don't seek for unnatural or supernatural! It is the natural - it is nature - its is God's activity! His associations with man, His desire to make for man a way for understanding! 5754-3
(09:33:18) (merri) exactly, Blu
(09:33:54) (Raleigh) yes blu / seek not / yet you will experience these
(09:33:56) (Blu) that is my faith at work ;-)
(09:34:01) (CoolRunningWaters) As was written in the First Letter of John, "If you cannot love those whom you can see, you can scarcely love the One you cannot see."
(09:34:09) (WalksInSpirit) Hbr 11:1 NOW faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
(09:34:39) (merri) yes WIS quoted that one earlier
(09:34:46) (Bill) this is refuring to Faith is the bridge that spans the gulf form the seen to the unseen
(09:34:58) (Q) don't ya think that perhaps your faith determines the quality of love that emanates from within you?
(09:35:12) (CoolRunningWaters) Sure
(09:35:12) (WalksInSpirit) I love that scripture, Merri! :-)
(09:35:23) (merri) me too
(09:35:23) (Bill) what do you think Q ?
(09:35:25) (Bear) the unseen is the same as the seen except it travels quicker
(09:35:26) (friend_to_mankind) faith fulfilled is knowledge
(09:35:38) (Q) I know that our faith.. is proportionate.. to the one we Give God.. so .. isn't that mearsureable.
(09:36:08) (merri) why does Love have to measured Q?
(09:36:14) (Moira) ah that was a prayer answered
(09:36:24) (Bear) like water ron aand it's electric
(09:36:31) (merri) it should be given freely and uncondionally
(09:36:36) (Q) and only when our consciounce bears witness against us do we pray for More faith.. isn't that how it works Bill?
(09:36:39) (CoolRunningWaters) The more we open ourselves up to His Will the more Divine our love becomes, the more we have to give....as did the Master.
(09:37:26) (CoolRunningWaters) In Him is our love Pefected.
(09:37:39) (Raleigh) ty cw
(09:38:08) (Bear) a boost for your faith ..you'll never fail
(09:38:09) (CoolRunningWaters) Right back at chya bro"
(09:38:19) (Q) Faith has to be practiced.. exercised.. to be alive.. active in our lives.. not holed up in a ashram as to build upon ourselves the sin of India.. of selfishness.
(09:38:38) (Bill) gee Q you have to ask me all the tuff ones i never think about it that intelectually
(09:39:24) (Raleigh) who is that kazu / mother natures son
(09:39:35) (Q) If it is to be experience through our fellow man.. then you must go out into the world and meet people.. to make a difference... to plant a seed .. or water ,, or fertilize.. whatever you talents might be.
(09:39:36) (Raleigh) ?
(09:39:49) (Bill) ). Faith knows that it has already received and acts accordingly, doubting nothing. It is the builder of the seemingly impossible. It is that which has brought into manifestation all that has ever existed. God is, faith is. It is the evidence of God’s promise fulfilled. Man’s divine privilege is to accept, use, develop and enjoy the fruits of faith.
(09:39:51) (merri) you just told us the answer to that one Bill
(09:39:57) (Moira) when we were children and started to learn about God the question given in the instruction is Whi is God? the answer is God is Love, Children then relate God to something or someone they Love right?
(09:40:45) (friend_to_mankind) father give us all the faith we need to please you
(09:40:57) (CoolRunningWaters) 'As self is lost in doing His Biddings does faith grow; for growth is made through the exercising of, the loosing of self In Him. Cayce 262-17
(09:41:11) (friend_to_mankind) without God you have no faith
(09:41:46) (Bill) some claim to have faith in themselves alone f_t_m
(09:42:02) (Raleigh) yes q / pray for stronger faith
(09:42:05) (merri) that is Divine faith FTM
(09:42:21) (merri) one can have faith other than Divine
(09:42:22) (CoolRunningWaters) "Show me thy faith by thy works" 264-50
(09:42:43) (Moira) so then it becomes the teacher the parent the ministers responsibility to do the modeling right?
(09:42:44) (friend_to_mankind) there is no other that satisfies
(09:42:52) (Raleigh) wonder why
(09:42:58) (Bill) it is the faith we have in the Divine that fills the voide
(09:43:44) (Bill) it is the faith that is unlimited
(09:43:48) (Moira) methinks we ought to be working on better modeling of Faith Hope and Love
(09:43:50) (CoolRunningWaters) Q-Please define spiritual faith? A-The application of that that is awakened by the Spirit within. 262-18
(09:44:27) (friend_to_mankind) Desire manifest into reality
(09:46:24) (Bill) this is quite the quote: Faith “Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.”
(09:47:01) (CoolRunningWaters) Faith is a attribute of the soul and spiritual body. 281-10
(09:47:14) (Light_Warrrior) Like to share something -- when it comes to faith I win when I say "my God is greater than my doubts" forget the doubts they're little gnats that don't matter.
(09:47:42) (Raleigh) for me id carry no armor / to heavy / gimme my sword of truth and ill be 1st in
(09:47:50) (CoolRunningWaters) That is good LW
(09:48:44) (friend_to_mankind) too many I's and not enough what can we do for each other
(09:48:51) (Bill) It is not only our privilege, but our duty to have faith in ourselves. We are workers together with God, and when we doubt ourselves, we doubt the God within us. He has promised, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee”. (Heb. 13.5)
(09:49:30) (Light_Warrrior) Manifestation is easy - Jesus said, when you stand praying believe, that's present tense, that you have what you want and you'll have it. Use all five senses in image -in imagine is imaging image in use all five sense with emotion and thank God you already have it. POWER given by God to get what we want
(09:50:10) (friend_to_mankind) life is not about self
(09:50:54) (Light_Warrrior) That's why, when we are together we don't manifest just everything we please - reality is agreement we agree together and label those agreements physical universe
(09:51:11) (Q) we get what we need.. never what we want.. but that is what I believe.. to each his own.
(09:51:18) (CoolRunningWaters) What one believes alone is not sufficient; but what one does about what one believes either makes for advancement, growth or retardment. 262-55
(09:51:31) (Raleigh) ty cw
(09:51:39) (CoolRunningWaters) Jesus said when you pray pray in My Name, My Vibration.
(09:51:53) (CoolRunningWaters) Pray as One Is the Way.
(09:52:07) (CoolRunningWaters) Pray in Spirit.
09:52:23) (Light_Warrrior) YES and we complicate what we want to but don't believe - our subconscious complicates it with doubt but MY GOD IS BIGGER THAN MY DOUBTS still
(09:52:24) (Bill) its been my pleasure to have the company of each of you this evening and thank you all fro the great partisapation , Love and light folks sleep well
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