Post by WalksInSpirit on Sept 26, 2005 21:34:00 GMT -5
Search For God: Book One Study: 09-26-05
Lesson Three: "What Is My Ideal?"
(08:29:06) (Bill) quess we should have an afirmation to think about for a few sec.
(08:29:09) (Bill) AFFIRMATION: God, be merciful to me! Help thou my unbelief! Let me see in Him that Thou would have me see in my fellow man. Let me see in my brother that I see in Him whom I worship. (262-11).
(08:32:24) (Bill) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus. ( Phil.2.5. ) WHAT IS MY IDEAL? Introduction: What is an ideal? We are told that a mental concept or that conceived as a standard of perfection is an ideal. Mind is the builder. We are ever striving toward something to worship or something to love, be it physical, mental, or spiritual.
(08:33:12) (Bill) . From our experiences we form ideas; then through the action of imagination we sometimes confuse ideas; then through the action of imagination we sometimes confuse these ideas with ideals. An ideal is something beyond and above us toward which we build.
(08:33:41) (Bill) . To bind ourselves by calling our ideas ideals means the beginning of decay in the soul structure which we have builded. Our ideals are ever present; they are either consciously or unconsciously the bases for the motivating forces in our lives.
(08:34:19) (Bill) Ideals Grow with Development: In childhood the height which we hoped to reach was lower, by far, than the one that we placed as a goal in youth. We recall that the God we worshiped in our childhood has grown to the Spirit we now call “Abba, Father”. (See Mark 14:36)
(08:34:51) (Bill) ) So, as we build onward and upward, our ideals enlarge until they reach the height of perfection, the Source of all Good, the Creative Energy of which we are manifestations.
(08:35:37) (Bill) From the physical, mental, and spiritual viewpoints our ideals are patterns by which we endeavor to shape our lives. We must understand the meaning of “The Oneness” and merge our physical and mental ideals with the spiritual ideal of the soul. Our spiritual pattern should not be trimmed to fit us, but we should grow to fit the pattern, whose Maker and Finisher is God.
(08:36:23) (Bill) The True Ideal: The true ideal is the highest spiritual attainment to be reached on this material plane; hence, it follows that our ideal must be found in Christ, who is the Way. He that climbs up some other way is a thief and a robber to himself. All real seekers after truth recognize this, although they may have different ways of expressing it. The following quotations will illustrate this.
(08:37:02) (Bill) “To think, to speak, to act from the consciousness of my divine self that I may be like Him, that I may do the things He said I could do, and help those who have not heard His voice ~~ this is my ideal.”
(08:37:44) (Bill) “Thou glorious One, radiant beyond finite mind, I would manifest Thee more fully. Thou tender and loving Father, for Thy Son’s sake give me the testimony of the Spirit to bear witness with my spirit that I am a son of God, and likewise help me fully to realize that my brother is one with Thee. Awaken me to the newness of life, peace, love, knowledge, and understanding ~~ then I shall be reaching my true ideal.”
(08:38:12) (BlackWolf) So Christ is the divine spark in humans, rather than a particular religious teaching?
(08:38:22) (Bill) yes BW
(08:38:32) (Roz) exackle BW
(08:38:50) (Raleigh) its not in any pope or preacher ec said
(08:39:04) (Avatar) right it was the same christ with the budda as with the man named jesus
(08:39:07) (Bill) “My ideal is spiritual in essence, regardless of where it leads. Christ the Guide, Christ the Leader, and Christ the Way. His ways are my ways, and His ambitions are my ambitions. To be Christlike is my ideal. We are the sons of God and should act as such.”
(08:39:13) (Bill) yes Av
(08:39:27) (Raleigh) yetv he said choose a faith / then be thje best at it
(08:39:57) (Bill) “My ideal is to be a perfect channel through which the will of the Father may be done, whether in the physical, the mental or the spiritual plane, and to return to the Father from whence I came. My hopes and desires are in the One by whom all were created.”
(08:40:32) (Bill) In Jesus we have the way, in Him we have the example, and in Him we have all the attributes of the Ideal manifested. His teachings and life of service to His fellow man show us the way we too must tread in attaining the height He reached. When in our relationship to our fellow man we are so perfected in the Christ Consciousness that each word, thought, and deed bring blessing to those we contact , then we may be sure that our ideal is the true one.
(08:41:24) (Bill) Attaining the Ideal: The ideal cannot be man-made, but must be of the spiritual nature that has its foundation in Truth, in God. Know the first principle: ‘The gift of God to man is an individual soul, which may be one with Him, and that may know itself to be one with Him and yet individual in itself, with attributes of the Whole, but yet not the Whole. (262-11.)’
(08:41:29) (Raleigh) jesus gave his life /
(08:41:36) (Raleigh) budda sat down
(08:41:36) (Raleigh) :)
(08:41:47) (Raleigh) kiddin round avatar / :)
(08:42:25) (Bill) Such must be the concept, or the ideal, whether of the imaginative, the mental, the physical, or the spiritual body of man. All may attain to such an ideal, yet never become the Ideal, but one with the Ideal. With the ideal once set, there will be no fear. There will come to each of us that grace to dare to be a Daniel, to dare to stand alone. We attain our ideal by seeing the Father in others. Let our prayer be,
(08:43:06) (Bill) God, be merciful to me! Help Thou my unbelief! Let me see in Him that Thou would
(08:43:30) (Bill) have me see in my fellow man. Let me see in my brother that I see in Him whom I
(08:43:50) (Bill) worship. (262-11)
(08:44:16) (Bill) This vision we reach through Christ. It takes the penetrating light of His Spirit to discern the divine spark in fallen humanity. It takes the mind of Christ to bless and not condemn, to love and not censure. The fields are now ripe unto harvest, but the laborers are few. We must work, work, for the night of unbelief and doubt comes.
(08:44:58) (Bill) It is our heritage to catch the true concept of the divine in all and to be, in truth, co-workers with God. As there is raised in self more and more of the Christ Consciousness, we become free indeed, and with freedom comes the awakening ~~ the awakening to the realization of the Ideal.
(08:45:40) (Bill) As we see others as the Christ sees them and strive to consecrate ourselves to Him, then our daily acts, our words, and our thoughts will bring that understanding and realization of the Ideal manifested in us as well as in others. Let us look for good in every one. Speak neither evil, harsh, nor unkind words to any at any time.
(08:46:37) (Bill) Do all that we know to do, in love, and leave the results with God. Hold fast to that which we have purposed in our inner selves. Know that no emergency in a material way or manner may arise that cannot find its solution in spiritual inspiration, for His promises are sure.
(08:47:02) (Bill) . Offenses may arise, yet with each and every fear there is that from within which will quiet our troubled minds, even as He quelled the tempest on the sea. As we seek, we find; as we knock, we are heard. If we are timid, fearful, or overcautious in giving out the hope which has sustained us, then we grow more weak and fearful ourselves.
(08:47:51) (Bill) Conclusion: Have we chosen the spiritual Ideal? Are the things in our own lives measured by that Ideal? When we sincerely examine ourselves and know that our standard is what we see in the other fellow and come to realize that our God is manifesting in and through him, we know that the Ideal we are setting for ourselves is one that will lift us up and cause us to be merciful, even as our heavenly Father is merciful. Then we may be assured of the peace that
(08:48:35) (Bill) What is our Ideal? The Christ-Way. Let us not be anxious, but wait on the Lord, knowing that He is faithful who promised, “If any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” (Rev. 3.20).
(08:49:11) (Q) By the word "ideal" it is refered to as the "standard" of "quality" of motivation by which we measure our decisions and actions.
(08:49:20) (Bill) and thats the conclusion of our Ideal lesson
(08:49:38) (Raleigh) very good bill / ty
(08:50:20) (diane) i'm very moved, Bill. ty
(08:50:27) (Lory) I loved that first quoted ideal you gave, Bill. "To think, to speak, to act....."
(08:50:28) (merri) how can you separate an idea from thinking? and saying it is the beginning of decay in the soul structure? Ideas manifest from thinking and imagination
(08:50:38) (Bill) : What is an ideal? We are told that a mental concept or that conceived as a standard of perfection is an ideal. Mind is the builder. We are ever striving toward something to worship or something to love, be it physical, mental, or spiritual. From our experiences we form ideas; then through the action of imagination we sometimes confuse ideas; then through the action of imagination we sometimes confuse these ideas with ideals.
(08:50:40) (Roz) good lesson Billgets better the 10th time
(08:50:54) (Bill) . An ideal is something beyond and above us toward which we build. To bind ourselves by calling our ideas ideals means the beginning of decay in the soul structure which we have builded. Our ideals are ever present; they are either consciously or unconsciously the bases for the motivating forces in our lives.
(08:51:19) (lily) i think we neeed to begin to stop worshipping
(08:51:22) (Raleigh) he is as wine roz
(08:51:28) (merri) how can you separate an idea from thinking? and saying it is the beginning of decay in the soul structure? Ideas manifest from thinking and imagination
(08:51:34) (Roz) yup
(08:52:05) (Bill) merri you have to acknowledge it in the context of what the study is trying to get across
(08:52:33) (WalksInSpirit) Awesome study tonight, Bill! Thank you!
(08:53:24) (BlackWolf) Perhaps thinking about ideas needs to be clearly explained, as opposed to having an ideal.
(08:53:48) (Roz) good suggestion BW
(08:54:37) (ron) or how one is going to approach that ideal
(08:54:40) (diane) if consciousness of the Christ is an ideal, then shouldn't we have an idea of what
(08:54:51) (diane) the Christ consciousness is
(08:54:54) (Bill) could it be that ideas are limited but ideals go beyond that limit?
(08:55:00) (Raleigh) also the difference of and ideal not being a goal
(08:55:28) (diane) yes, ideas have limits
(08:55:30) (ron) likke the Jesus ideal...the Christ ideal
(08:55:40) (Raleigh) its a goal that is nearely unattainable / is this correct bill?
(08:55:48) (Lory) Remember, thoughts are things and sometimes those thoughts are not ideal. Perhaps that is the message.?
(08:56:00) (Moira) I believe merri said ideals are what you hope to be I agree
(08:56:13) (Raleigh) i had jesus set then changed it to holy spirit ron /
(08:56:22) (Bill) Ral its attainable to the extent that we can be one with the Whole but not the Whole
(08:56:23) (merlin) i believe that the ideal would be tre base upon which one bases his life , ...where an idea is like thomas edisons , how can i make alight bulb....
(08:56:27) (ron) ideals are perfect within themselves...in a changing universe we must try to do the best we can achieve
(08:56:36) (Roz) not unattainable at all Raleigh
(08:56:48) (Raleigh) k
(08:57:01) (ron) a model of which to follow
(08:57:02) (merri) ideas are as numerous as there are souls
(08:57:13) (lily) true
(08:57:22) (Q) you use the mind merri.. to create the thought form or purpose (ideal) . . by exercising the educative factor.. the will.. which is free of addictions.. to attain attunement.. to fullfill a conscious reality... that is how I understand it .
(08:57:32) (Bill) yes Merri but one ideal in the end
(08:57:39) (Roz) set ideal s yu can attain you can always upgrade
(08:58:06) (Moira) I found my ideals by making a soul sign
(08:58:15) (merri) but an idea is the beginning of decay in the soul structure...that is the sentence that doesn't make sense to me
(08:58:17) (Q) Mind does not refer to intellect .. only.
(08:58:27) (Lory) Or course, Roz. As we grow our ideals grow.
(08:58:30) (diane) reaching ideal is a process
(08:58:43) (ron) but there are only few ideals...but there can b e many mental and meterial ideals...but must be approached according the the ideal set by Jesus
(08:58:52) (Raleigh) ideals are to be changed as we grow
(08:58:53) (merlin) doesn't make sense to me either merri...
(08:58:55) (ron) this is found in the Fruits of the Spirit
(08:59:09) (Bill) many ideals we set with good intentions but until we attain it we can't grow onto the a higher ideal and our main objective is growth as to be one with our Maker
(08:59:47) (lily) i do not believe my main obj is growth
(08:59:49) (ron) decay,? how high are the ideals?
(08:59:54) (Raleigh) and i have said before to quote hugh / set your ideals / be true / then hang on cause change will come
(09:00:04) (merlin) idea may be within the word but is an entirely differant form to be understood
(09:00:08) (lily) we are one with our maker now
(09:00:14) (lily) there is nothing we need do
(09:00:31) (diane) right, merlin
(09:00:32) (ron) yes, sit back and let the world come to us
(09:00:55) (BlackWolf) Perhaps that is the difficulty, lily, we have been trained always have something to do. :o)
(09:00:57) (Bill) So, as we build onward and upward, our ideals enlarge until they reach the height of perfection, the Source of all Good, the Creative Energy of which we are manifestations.
(09:00:58) (ron) no effort is needed
(09:00:59) (Raleigh) oh yes roz / i was thinking that dare to set ideals very high / attainable yes ok
(09:01:04) (Q) an Ideal.. is something that is strivable.. to reach.. and idea.. is not used to measure whether or not we are on the path of our Ideal.. when the mind is made one.. with the Ideal.. it becomes the way... an idea on the other hand is just that.. it changes..it isn't like a rock or foundation upon which you could place your faith.
(09:01:06) (ron) no will is needed
(09:01:09) (lily) yes ...
(09:01:17) (merlin) to be human is to err, there is always that which can be strived for...
(09:01:27) (lily) to BW
(09:01:47) (lily) that is another misconception .. that we make mistakes
(09:01:48) (Bill) well put Q
(09:01:50) (merlin) to dream the impossible dream ...........
(09:01:53) (diane) good explanation Q
(09:02:01) (ron) park your car next to the highway and honk your horn
(09:02:02) (merri) that is too broad a statement Q
(09:02:32) (diane) ideas are temporal. temporal is subject to decay, maybe?
(09:02:34) (merri) if an idea is within the Christ Consciousness concept what then?
(09:02:38) (Moira) looking for a roadside angel ron lol
(09:02:39) (Q) dang girl.. I was makin' it as simple as I could.. I'll try harder merri.
(09:03:07) (BlackWolf) Interesting idea, perhaps reality changes in time, whereas the ideal shines through the conscious perceptions?
(09:03:12) (Raleigh) errors can be changed into steppingstones lil
(09:03:21) (ron) how are you going to approach that ideal?...by calling your brother names and be insulting?
(09:03:57) (Roz) idea and ideal are not connected, idea is a spark of inspiration
(09:04:30) (diane) idea is a lightbulb moment'
(09:04:35) (merri) in the soul structure?
(09:04:43) (Bill) it is through your ideal that you your ideas will be manifesting God's love in your actions?
(09:04:53) (Moira) like that thought on ideas Roz
(09:04:53) (Raleigh) well
(09:04:58) (Roz) if you do not act on an idea it decays
(09:05:02) (Raleigh) till we choose
(09:05:13) (merlin) good one ral
(09:05:23) (ron) change like the motion of the universe
(09:05:38) (Bill) From the physical, mental, and spiritual viewpoints our ideals are patterns by which we endeavor to shape our lives.
(09:05:54) (ron) it is Universal Motion
(09:05:55) (Bill) . We must understand the meaning of “The Oneness” and merge our physical and mental ideals with the spiritual ideal of the soul. Our spiritual pattern should not be trimmed to fit us, but we should grow to fit the pattern, whose Maker and Finisher is God.
(09:06:37) (diane) idealistically, an idealist, connotates perfection
(09:06:46) (Raleigh) also i see that you had a very long ideal example bill / its better if it is condensed to a word / for me anyway / ec said this too i recall
(09:06:56) (Moira) like fish growing to the size of the tank it is in :)
(09:07:06) (ron) oneness as having the same purpose and Spirity of God
(09:07:15) (ron) Spirit*
(09:07:35) (Bill) The True Ideal: The true ideal is the highest spiritual attainment to be reached on this material plane; hence, it follows that our ideal must be found in Christ, who is the Way
(09:08:08) (ron) the highest ideal for us on this material plane
(09:08:25) (Raleigh) lol moria / yup
(09:08:27) (Q) I think merri.. that an idea is something that hasn't been substantiated as proof in your consciousness...and in that lies its possible misconception causing doubt..I don't believe that an Ideal leaves room for doubt... maybe that is the difference. Hows that ?
(09:08:27) (diane) merri's question is about an idea leading to decay of the soul structure. how does that happen
(09:09:19) (ron) approaching an ideal withou concern for one's fellowman
(09:09:27) (Bill) : The ideal cannot be man-made, but must be of the spiritual nature that has its foundation in Truth, in God. Know the first principle: ‘The gift of God to man is an individual soul, which may be one with Him, and that may know itself to be one with Him and yet individual in itself, with attributes of the Whole, but yet not the Whole. (262-11.)’
(09:09:27) (merlin) beautiful Q
(09:09:34) (diane) hmmm, maybe, ron
(09:09:45) (Q) because to me it would be as thus.. if you pray.. doubting nothing.. then all will be answered..
(09:10:09) (diane) right, Q
(09:10:18) (Raleigh) even the physical and mental be spiritual / ?
(09:10:25) (BlackWolf) The idea could nevertheless be to serve others as in a volunteer medic, yet not having any spiritual intent.
(09:10:27) (Raleigh) 3 ideals
(09:10:33) (Lory) Even if the answer is not what you wanted it to be. Q. :-)
(09:10:49) (diane) aha! BW
(09:10:50) (ron) isn't the mind alwys, for a time, in opposition to the needs of the Spirit?...in the Silence one finds God...and all the help that is needed is set before you
(09:10:59) (Moira) how about is he idea is the possibility and the ideal is its infinitness
(09:11:05) (Q) the mental is both physical and spiritual Ral.
(09:11:13) (ron) if you believe...that may take awhile
(09:11:35) (merlin) purpose of this life would be to spiritualize the material and mental aspects
(09:11:45) (Raleigh) k
(09:11:49) (merri) nice thought BW
(09:11:52) (Moira) sticky pads lol
(09:11:56) (ron) its the Oneness of purse that is being spoken of...i know that you all know this
(09:11:59) (Q) but in the Cayce reading.. doubt.. was the biggest factor in failure to achieve the ideal.. wasn't it?
(09:12:06) (ron) purpose*
(09:12:08) (Raleigh) yes see material as spiritual / this is demention 4
(09:12:10) (Raleigh) yup
(09:12:15) (merri) I'm sure that idea doesn't lead one's soul to decay
(09:12:16) (lily) really Q
(09:12:27) (lily) doubt?
(09:12:30) (ron) faith is being builded upon
(09:12:35) (lily) what did he say about doubt
(09:13:00) (ron) all the things that Blu has been saying in her last chat
(09:13:16) (Raleigh) doubt and fear appear then sin lyes at the door
(09:13:16) (lily) that is an issue I struggle with at times in certain areas of my life
(09:13:19) (Bill) We attain our ideal by seeing the Fther in others: God, be merciful to me! Help Thou my unbelief! Let me see in Him that Thou would
(09:13:35) (Bill) have me see in my fellow man. Let me see in my brother that I see in Him whom I
(09:13:37) (lily) Bill /// do u know what Q is speaking of
(09:13:41) (Q) I missed Blu's chat... and I haven't read it yet.. but I will.
(09:13:44) (Bill) worship. (262-11)
(09:14:54) (Raleigh) the prayer is - lord i believe / help mine unbelief
(09:15:06) (Moira) Bill could you relate these ideas or tell how they apply perhaps in real life
(09:15:07) (ron) help is the key
(09:15:13) (diane) believe God that your prayers have been answered
(09:15:40) (merri) that is a good thought to remember, Ral
(09:15:50) (Bill) . Know that no emergency in a material way or manner may arise that cannot find its solution in spiritual inspiration, for His promises are sure. Offenses may arise, yet with each and every fear there is that from within which will quiet our troubled minds, even as He quelled the tempest on the sea. As we seek, we find; as we knock, we are heard. If we are timid, fearful, or overcautious in giving out the hope which has sustained us, then we grow more weak
(09:16:01) (Raleigh) its in scripture
(09:16:04) (diane) you know where that prayer came from? Lord I believe, help thou my unbeliefF
(09:16:28) (lily) can anyone elaborate on Cayce's view on doubt
(09:16:33) (diane) sounds like from a psalm
(09:16:44) (Blu) no Diane it is new testament
(09:16:45) (ron) how about "long-suffering"
(09:16:51) (Moira) thought you might be astrologically challenged ron lol
(09:16:53) (Raleigh) blitzcrig huh ron
(09:17:37) (BlackWolf) Doubt may be a lack of concentration in focusing on the spirit. How this comes about....there are as many theories as there are peoeple.
(09:18:43) (Bill) It is our heritage to catch the true concept of the divine in all and to be, in truth, co-workers with God. As there is raised in self more and more of the Christ Consciousness, we become free indeed, and with freedom comes the awakening ~~ the awakening to the realization of the Ideal.
(09:18:55) (Q) oh.. here it is.. And only those forces that are in the nature of fear and doubt, hate and jealousy and such, bring those influences that are destructive or disappointing in the experience.. found it.
(09:19:07) (ron) not to attack others to further your own self-interestes
(09:19:07) (Raleigh) love your enemies ron
(09:19:13) (Raleigh) forgive
(09:19:14) (Raleigh) all
(09:19:17) (Raleigh) but 1
(09:19:22) (ron) yes...i know of this
(09:19:26) (ron) ral
(09:19:28) (Raleigh) spit in satans face
(09:19:48) (ron) a negative force in another person?
(09:21:34) (Lory) A good lesson, Bill, thanks. Goodnight everyone. Sweet dreams. LOVE to all.
(09:25:05) (Bill) well we've thoruoghly hashed the ideas around so we can open the chat to what ever you wish to chat about
(09:25:32) (Bill) “My ideal is spiritual in essence, regardless of where it leads. Christ the Guide, Christ the Leader, and Christ the Way. His ways are my ways, and His ambitions are my ambitions. To be Christlike is my ideal. We are the sons of God and should act as such.”
(09:26:30) (Anne) right on Bill
(09:27:25) (Raleigh) yes bill
(09:27:54) (lily) and daughters ....
(09:28:21) (Bill) yes Lily and daughters ;o)
