Esoteric Astrology: 4-16-07 Apr 16, 2007 19:26:44 GMT -5
Post by Blu on Apr 16, 2007 19:26:44 GMT -5
[14:32] <ron> by any chance, does anyone know the names of the 3 fire signs? ...does anyone know the element their sun sign is in?...there are four of them, fire, earth, air and water
[14:33] <Blu> mine is earth, I don't know the fire signs
[14:33] <miketrueeagle> that may b it ron
[14:33] <ron> mike, what sign is your sun in mike?
[14:33] <miketrueeagle> im a leo . 23rd
[14:33] <ron> leo?...it is a fire sign
[14:34] <ron> blu's virgo is earth, right
[14:34] <ron> aquarius is air
[14:34] <ron> and capricorn is earth
[14:34] <Blu> two earths make mud
[14:35] <ron> ok....maybe we might be able to recognize ourselves and others with this material...i don't remember how this study is presented...if there is anything on a practical level...
[14:35] <ron> ok, so there...:)
[14:36] <ron> if i got someone mad....good!
[14:36] <ron> :)
[14:36] <ron> so there...
[14:36] <Blu> oookay..
[14:36] <ron> :)
[14:36] <miketrueeagle> ... o yea !
[14:36] <ron> THE RAYS THROUGH THE TRIAD OF FIRE: Aries , Leo, Sagittarius
[14:36] <miketrueeagle> feeeling spunkey ..TODAY
[14:37] <ron> THE RAYS THROUGH THE TRIAD OF FIRE: Aries , Leo, Sagittarius
[14:37] <ron> RAYS FOCUSING THROUGH ARIES
[14:37] <ron> First Ray of Will Purpose: Vulcan of impregnating power is the sacred planet
[14:38] <ron> Seventh Ray of Ceremonial Order: Uranus of occult power is the sacred planet.
[14:38] <ron> so, apparently there are 2 sacred planets...one for the 7th ray and the other for the 1st ray
[14:39] <ron> traditional astrology applies Mars as ruling the Aries; the Sun for Leo, and Jupiter for Sagittarius
[14:39] <ron> my comment
[14:40] <diane> Uranus = Aquarius
[14:40] <ron> The First and Seventh rays find easy reception through the cardinal-fire sign characteristics - active, energetic, aggressive and initially spiritual. Both rays deliver the ideal motivation urging the individual forward and through spiritual initiation.
[14:41] <diane> oops ... aquarious air ... not fire sign
[14:42] <ron> apparently esoteric astrology is slightly different from the traditional system...apparently dealing on a soul level...but, yet Cayce used the traditional system with his esoteric interpretations with each Life Reading
[14:42] <ron> movin on...
[14:43] <ron> By initiation we mean the end result of a series of crises leading to a climactic situation forcing the raising of consciousness, somewhat like a bolt of cosmic fire.
[14:44] <ron> Aries, is known as a Cardinal quality...so it is called a, Cardinal-Fire sign
[14:45] <ron> for those that might be interested, every 3rd sign is a Cardinal sign, starting with the sign of Aries
[14:45] <ron> so therefore, Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn are the Cardinal signs
[14:45] <ron> each having a different element of expression
[14:45] <ron> having
[14:46] <ron> these signs some say, are crises oriented
[14:46] <ron> moving on...
[14:46] <ron> Initiation is a cosmic impregnating process forcing the individual, animal, plant or mineral to experience the pain of having to reach within and become greater alone, to become self reliant and effect causation.
[14:47] <ron> The First ray is not so sexual, but the Seventh ray is, and it becomes in the individual sense the creative agent of the first initiation when sexual desires are balanced.
[14:48] <ron> Aries is the sign of initiating and generating the fires of life through its rulership over the head.
[14:49] <ron> We all know spiritual evolution requires the latent powers at the base of the spine (kundalini) to be uncoiled and sent up the spine through the generating system of the head. Aries give the courage and initiative needed to find the ~I AM~ within, or the ~I AND MY FATHER~ unity.
[14:50] <ron> Through the sign of spring, the bursting forth of life into being is achieved as the impregnating processes of all nature comes under its primary domain.
[14:50] <ron> With the First ray expressed through Aries the concentrate power is used for preplanning and readying to take on a role of leadership. Under the dominance of the Seventh ray, power is skillfully expressed, and the individual is a pioneering link for new age instigation. Relationships must be resolved.
[14:52] <ron> where do there get the word 'leadership' for Aries?...it come from being the first sign of the zodiac...and the initiative of Mars/the ruler, that goes to achieve this objective
[14:52] <ron> moving on...
[14:52] <ron> there=they*
[14:53] <ron> well, you understand when by passing my usual typing methods ...
[14:53] <ron> Aries under the First ray generates spirituality into his organized purpose. He is an authority and law giver. Aries under the Seventh ray is the ceremonial priest, or the competitive team member. Aggressive action is toward perfection.
[14:54] <ron> 'perfection'?...whatever ever the soul's ideal is as to what might mean as being perfect?...what do you think?
[14:54] <ron> moving on...
[14:54] <Blu> That would be right to me
[14:54] <ron> RAYS FOCUSING THROUGH LEO
[14:56] <ron> now, the soul's ideal will constantly change until it realizes that there is something greater, an higher ideal then, say perhaps some earthly perfection
[14:56] <ron> RAYS FOCUSING THROUGH LEO
[14:56] <ron> First ray of Will-Purpose: Vulcan of instigating power is the sacred planet.
[14:57] <ron> Fifth ray of Concrete Knowledge/Science: Venus of revelation is the sacred planet
[14:57] <ron> i think i should hold off on some things, my typing is off, and appears to me too far off...
[14:58] <ron> Initiation, or the evolving processes toward that end, comes under the First ray of power.
[14:58] <JohnB> ideal hmm where did i heard what be4
[14:58] <ron> Discipleship, the self committed path towards masterhood, is fostered by both the Fifth ray and fixed signs. Through Sun ruled Leo the mighty First and methodical Fifth rays find the characteristics of the ardent and persistent sheath suitable for focusing their universal expression.
[14:59] <ron> Leo is an Fixed-Fire sign
[14:59] <ron> Fixed sign show determination, a future orientation, and can be stubborn regarding some things
[14:59] <ron> moving on...
[15:00] <ron> Leo is a sign desirous of recognition, and a power loving sign; the first ray is associated with creative will, the ~will~ energy for executive power. Under the Fifth ray Leo is ambitious and creatively outpouring in its expression.
[15:01] <ron> the 'recognition' or need to be the center of attention comes from its position in our solar system...
[15:01] <ron> i had to insert another comment...
[15:01] <ron> General education and science belong to the Fifth ray which is entirely fruitful (often to the point of violence and destruction out of passion due to its bountiful nature which can overflow to excessiveness).
[15:02] <ron> the above thought is based upon an extreme
[15:02] <ron> There is a limitless source of understanding under the analytical Fifth. Creativity is woven with common sense. With the impulse being to disseminate knowledge, motivation comes easily through this signs traits.
[15:02] <ron> Fixed, fiery Leo is a confident sign, generous and capable of superior type service, perfect for the resolute first and scientific Fifth. It is interesting that the First and Fifth rays are least sexual, while Leo is the sign of the heart and such affairs, or is it more the sign of ~will~ and the resistance for that side of nature?
[15:03] <ron> and i do think that mike does express 'love' to others
[15:03] <miketrueeagle> o heavenly father.. i pray 4 peace...in this world... your will b done.. let us b a tool of your love..AMEN ^i^
[15:03] <miketrueeagle> ty ron
[15:04] <JohnB> =) Amen
[15:04] <ron> and he does have 'leadership' qualities...just haven't taken such possiblities here seriously
[15:04] <miketrueeagle> right-on ron
[15:04] <ron> amen
[15:05] <ron> Leo under the First ray is willing to create the way, a regal ruler. Leo under the Fifth ray is the educator, the brilliant and methodical scientist.
[15:05] <miketrueeagle> sounds like me !
[15:05] <ron> next...Sagittarius is a Mutable-Fire sign
[15:06] <ron> Mutable signs tend to be flexible when dealing with life...tend to look into the past before dealing with a difficulty...past experience is their guide...
[15:07] <ron> have much for inspiration...fire
[15:07] <ron> moving on...
[15:07] <ron> RAYS FOCUSING THROUGH SAGITTARIUS
[15:07] <ron> Fourth Ray of Harmony through Conflict: Mercury of expression is the sacred planet.
[15:08] <ron> Fifth ray of Concrete Knowledge/Science: Venus of strategy is the sacred planet .
[15:08] <ron> Sixth ray of Devotion/Idealism: Neptune of sensitivity is the sacred planet .
[15:09] <ron> apparently, Sagittarius has 3 sacred planets...why not, this is the sign that is involved with Religion, philosophy and higher learning/education
[15:09] <ron> moving on...
[15:09] <ron> The characteristics of mutable fire which stimulates spiritual adaptation is host to no less than three universal ~will~ energies. When we look for the sympathetic or attracting reasons behind the lines of least resistance, we are looking for similarities between the ray and sign.
[15:10] <ron> With the Fourth ray and Sagittarius it is goal setting and foresight. Evolution (as a vital link in humanity and its collective discipleship) and balance are tightly meshed. This is the artist’s ray stimulating preparation in advance and the ability to dramatize truth.
[15:10] <ron> Bonding Sagittarius and the Fifth ray of Concrete Knowledge is the aspiration to know and all which that implies. Both the sign and Ray provide the impulse to demonstrate ability.
[15:12] <ron> i have two planets in a very close conjunction with each other [which does emphasize the sign they are in] in the sign of Sagittarius
[15:12] <ron> in my 12th house
[15:12] <ron> which is another thing, perhaps for conversation at a later time
[15:12] <ron> Achievement through the sciences is entirely fruitful and serving the mental nourishment and stimulation of the brow chakra so necessary for discipleship; discipleship is the stage of active purpose are spiritually awakening.
[15:13] <ron> Drawing the Sixth ray to the sign is its urge for reasons of evolution, loyalty and zealousness. However, another reason for the attraction is that the sign has excessive tendencies toward objective goals, even to fanaticism.
[15:14] <JohnB> what a bout a blend with sag+pisces and Virgo spiced up with scorpio?
[15:14] <diane> lol
[15:14] <ron> 'excessiveness' comes from this signs ruler ship...its ruler is Jupiter...and Jupiter can be excessive...this idea can come from it being the largest planet in our solar system...i think that is correct/i forget
[15:17] <ron> sagittarius..past learning, religious/philosophical views, combined with the service/healing interests of Virgo, with a connection with the mysteries of life and death, or regeneration of Scorpio..this should give some indications of your personal leanings, jb
[15:17] <ron> sorry for all the typos
[15:18] <JohnB> lol its a spiritual friendship that blend=) ron
[15:18] <ron> the Scorpio psychic development will be applies, or eventually applied with experience
[15:19] <ron> even i can't decipher some of my above comment :)
[15:19] <ron> Christianity comes under the Sixth ray. Sagittarius is a reverent and religious sign. All rays stimulate understanding towards group consciousness; it is natural the sign of comprehension would act as agent for these three outward bound energies.
[15:19] <JohnB> i know i am sorry
[15:20] <ron> The Fourth ray, though a resting ray, is motivated outwardly.
[15:20] <ron> Sagittarius under the Fourth ray is following the principles of truth and beauty. He is cultural and gifted.
[15:21] <ron> Sagittarius under the Fifth ray is an academic achiever moved by logic and common sense.
[15:21] <ron> Sagittarius under the Sixth ray has a religious sentiment, battles the forces of desire and contributes to the welfare of humanity in a singular way. END