Post by Blu on Mar 19, 2007 16:47:04 GMT -5
[14:31] <ron> SOUL MEMORIES
[14:31] <ron> The Soul Remembering…. the concept of Past Life experiences through Reincarnation and remembering
[14:32] <ron> First of all in reading this one should take the assumption that reincarnation is held as actually happening to the Souls that reincarnate here on earth in order to learn and grow through the life experiences attained whilst in physical form on each incarnation.
[14:33] <ron> Souls are created in a positive matrix of such love and wisdom that when a Soul starts to come to a planet like Earth and join the physical beings who have evolved from a primitive state, the violence is a shock. Humans have the raw negative emotions of anger and hate as an outgrowth of their fear and pain connected with survival going back to the Stone Age.
[14:33] <ron> Both positive and negative emotions are mixed. If a Soul knew only love and peace it would gain no insight and never truly appreciate the value of these positive feelings. The test of reincarnation for a Soul coming to earth is the conquering of fear in a human body. A Soul grows by trying to overcome all negative emotions connected to fear through perseverance in many lifetimes.
[14:34] <ron> When we return ~home~ to the Source of ~All that Is~ we remember all of previous lifetimes and lessons learned and then when we return back to earth again of course there is the fact of amnesia for those lifetimes already put in place so we cannot ~remember~ with conscious memory. We can tap into some of those memories though through use of regression therapists, meditation etc when the need/desire is there
[14:35] <ron> When the Soul returns to Earth with the shroud of forgetfulness it must adjust to a new brain without conscious memory. The new baby has no past experiences yet. The reverse is true right after physical death.
[14:35] <ron> The Soul mind works with a great storehouse of past life and spiritual life memories and one also works with the conscious and subconscious memories of the current life incarnation as one walks the path of that physical form with the aim always of integrating the Soul with the personality.
[14:37] <ron> So how can we tap into the Soul memory in order to assist ourselves on the path of integration? We can learn to understand the different types of memory and increase our conscious awareness thereby bringing the unconscious to conscious {smile} when we are learning different things and receive a little ~ah ha~ factor then take the thread of that ~thought~ and follow it further back …
[14:39] <ron> so, the writer is stressing Truth before knowledge...a nice way to avoid misapplication of a little knowledge
[14:40] <miketrueeagle> what I'm always stating
[14:40] <Blu> good point
[14:40] <ron> The superconscious identity of the Soul houses our continuous memory including goals. When the time in our lives is appropriate, we must harmonize human material needs with our Soul’s purpose for being here.
[14:41] <ron> DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEMORY
[14:41] <ron> We can categorize the different forms of memory that are available to us in our human incarnation.
[14:41] <ron> One of the theories put forward by scientists is that memory recall comes through DNA, i.e. they have the belief that all memories are carried by DNA. In this way they can derive comfort from what they consider to be a scientific position against reincarnation.
[14:42] <ron> Certainly, everyone has a perfect right to not believe in reincarnation for a number of personal reasons, religious and otherwise. But to say that all past life memory is actually genetic in origin, carried in our DNA cells from remote ancestors, is an argument that can fall flat in several ways.
[14:42] <ron> Unconscious memories of past life trauma are capable of carrying a severely damaged physical imprint of that long dead body into our new body, but this is not the result of DNA. These molecular codes are brand new and came with our current material body. Attitudes and beliefs from the Soul mind do affect the biological mind.
[14:43] <ron> There are researchers who believe our eternal intelligence involving energy imprints and memory patterns from past lives, may influence DNA. Indeed there are countless of elements involving though sequencing which we bring into our body from former lives. This also includes our experiences in the spirit world where we have no body.
[14:44] <ron> A sound argument against past life DNA memory is the volume of research that has been accumulated about past lives. The former bodies we have had in prior lives are almost never genetically related to our current family. One could have been a member of the Smith family, along with others in ones Soul group , in one life, and then might all choose to be part of the Jones family in the next life.
[14:45] <ron> The average person has led past lives as Caucasians, Orientals and Africans etc with no heredity connections. Therefore this ~so called~ genetic memory is actually Soul memory emanating from the unconscious mind.
[14:46] <ron> We can divide memory into three categories
[14:46] <ron> 1. Conscious memory
[14:46] <ron> This state of thought would apply to all memories retained by the brain in our biological body. It is manifested by a conscious ego Self (personality) that is perceptive and adaptive to our physical planet. Conscious memory is influenced by sensory experiences and all our biological, primitive instinctual drives as well as emotional experiences.
[14:47] <ron> It can be faulty because there are defense mechanisms related to what it receives and evaluates through impressions from the five senses.
[14:48] <ron> 2. Immortal Memory
[14:48] <ron> Memories in this category appear to come through the subconscious mind. Subconscious thought is greatly influenced by body functions not subject to conscious control, such as heart rate and glandular functions.
[14:49] <ron> However, it can also be the selective storeroom of conscious memory. Immortal memory carries the memories of our origins in this life and other physical lives. It is a repository of much of our psyche because the subconscious mind forms the bridge between the conscious and superconscious mind.
[14:50] <ron> 3. Divine Memory
[14:50] <ron> There are the memories that emanate from our superconscious mind which houses the Soul. If conscious intuition and imagination are expressed through the subconscious mind, they are drawn from this Higher source. Our eternal Soul mind has evolved from superior conceptual thought energy beyond ourselves.
[14:51] <ron> Inspiration may seem to spring from immortal memory, but there is a higher intelligence outside our body mind which forms a part of divine memory. The source of these divine thoughts is illusive. Sometimes we conceive of it as personal memory, when actually divine memory represents communication from beings in our immortal existence.
[14:52] <ron> Increasing ones awareness is one of the ways in which we can tap into the sources of the Soul mind, learning to trust ones intuition, the thought prompts that arrive….and the more we practice doing this the more proficient we will become {smile}
[14:53] <ron> There is a statement from the Upanishads about our senses being carried in memory after death. The old Philosophical text is correct in the assumption that the senses, emotions and human ego are a path to infinite experience, which provides a physical consciousness to the immortal self.
[14:53] <JohnB> how do you not to pick others stuff like emotional and physical stuff then you are empath?
[14:54] <ron> MEANINGS: INTERPRETATIONS OF THE SOUL AND PERSONALITY
[14:54] <Blu> I think when that happens to me JB it feels "alien"
[14:54] <diane> I think we do pick up stuff from others all the time, JB
[14:54] <Blu> and it feels "unwanted"
[14:54] <ron> even by tone of the voice
[14:55] <ron> choice of words
[14:55] <diane> yep..and facial expressions
[14:55] <miketrueeagle> an meditation.. improves that
[14:55] <Blu> I get stuff all the time in meditation, it even sounds like another voice or voices
[14:55] <JohnB> okey
[14:55] <ron> they will reveal what is lying behind one's appearance
[14:56] <ron> and, of course, there is more, such as one's, vague, psychic impressions, hardly recognized as so
[14:56] <ron> as such*
[14:56] <diane> To thine own self be true.
[14:56] <ron> moving on
[14:56] <ron> MEANINGS: INTERPRETATIONS OF THE SOUL AND PERSONALITY
[14:57] <miketrueeagle> ty di
[14:57] <ron> As there are a number of fundamental metaphysical laws and structures to be examined before one can integrate the principles of Esoteric astrology into the natal chart, it might be pertinent to reflect on the meanings/interpretations of the Personality and the Soul
[14:57] <ron> In addition, several of the major steps and stages in the evolution of personal consciousness have to be recognized in order to apply these factors correctly. This requires three vital factors.
[14:58] <ron> 1. An understanding of exoteric astrology - Personality centered… considered from the perspective of the personality or the lower self.
[14:58] <ron> 1. An understanding of exoteric astrology - Personality centered… considered from the perspective of the personality or the lower self.
[14:59] <ron> 'lower self' for some reason reminds me of past comments that wore me out...:)
[14:59] <Blu> LOL
[15:00] <ron> 2. The same scope of understanding , but studied from the level of the Soul {or Higher Self}, this is esoteric astrology.
[15:00] <ron> 3. The intuitive ability to recognize the level on which these energies are expressing themselves, and the nature of their relationship between the both aspects.. This is the Path.
[15:01] <ron> The comprehension and integration of these first two factors require a strong mind, plus an ability and an eagerness to learn. The third factor is more complex, in that it necessitates a quality of personal development on the Soul level itself which is another example of how astrology serves the student as in striving for such a degree of Soul awareness, personal fulfillment and individual growth are achieved.
[15:01] <ron> There is an ancient esoteric tradition which has accompanied such Soul centered aspirations through the Ages..it is called Inner Teaching coming from what are called the Mystery Schools., which teach the Ancient Science otherwise known as the ~Ancient Wisdom Teachings~.
[15:02] <ron> To reveal our own Personal Truth, we must prepare our personality to receive (acknowledge) the Presence of the Soul. Only then may we say "What I seek to present through my life I Identify, Experience and Take Responsibility for as the Truth for me". {as also shown in my opening paragraph in these pages}
[15:03] <ron> Without this Presence as the central point and synthesizing essence of our life, our existence is totally Personality centered and consisting of a state of conjectures and opinion.
[15:04] <ron> This is accompanied by a series of partially fulfilled or frustrated desires, as well as alternating states of elation or depression depending on our physical appearance or the state of our material possessions. It is only through attunement and alignment with the Soul that a consistent approach to a life of endless inconsistencies is made possible.
[15:04] <ron> THE PERSONALITY: The Personality consists of:
[15:05] <ron> 1. The Physical body,
[15:05] <ron> 2. The emotional body (also known as the astral or desire body), and
[15:05] <ron> 3. The lower mental body (the rational mind),
[15:05] <ron> In a fully developed personality, three vehicles are synthesized into a harmoniously working unit. This means that there is an alignment of the mind and the feelings so that our outer actions are expressed in a balanced manner.
[15:06] <ron> {The position of the planets in the natal horoscope will, of course indicate the ease or difficulty in bringing about this integration of the personality. The transcending force, the use of the will to ~weave~ the pattern of the horoscope into a cohesive whole - is a primary factor leading to the free use of that will and the co-creation of our character and destiny}.
[15:06] <ron> that was expressed very good!
[15:07] <ron> It is the goal of every spiritually active and aspiring person to create such an integration of lower self, for it is then only with the correct alignment of forces that consistent Soul contact can occur.
[15:08] <ron> The individualization of the lesser ego is a major step in personal evolution. More and more are making the actual link between the lower and the Higher selves as the awakening to the Rainbow Bridge and the soul’s Presence become every-increasing realities.
[15:08] <diane> wish they gave methods to achieve all this alignment
[15:08] <ron> Until a fairly advanced state of personal evolution is reach, in which there is a fusion between the lower and the Higher selves, everything about the personality is either inherited (biological karma), or created and assumed temporarily (factors of response to social conditioning.
[15:08] <Blu> it's called application!
[15:09] <diane> I need a picture. lol
[15:09] <miketrueeagle> THE TRUTH. IS PART OF OUR CORE...JESUSUSED IT MINNY TIMES..I AM THE TRUTH-THE LIGHT-THE WAY...THE TRUTH SHALL SET U FREE ^I^
[15:09] <Blu> I have watched you do this in your own life Diane!
[15:10] <ron> The exception to this is the eternal and immortal Life Principle, which animates all existence. The ~forms~ of the personality - whether these are the actual forms of the physical body, the thought-forms of the mind, or the forms for the expression of personal desire - are mortal and temporary in nature.
[15:10] <diane> hmmmm.
[15:11] <ron> The Life force remains ever formless, yet it is constantly creating these ~temporary containers~ for Itself through the work and Function of the soul-personality relationship.
[15:11] <ron> When we speak of the personality, or lower self, we refer to an entity composed of three vehicles of consciousness; the physical body, the emotional or astral body, and the lower mental body {the rational, logical mind}. ~Vehicle~ implies the structure of matter which conveys the more subtle life energy or consciousness. Thus, we could compare a vehicle to a thought, and consciousness to the energy which that thought contains.
[15:12] <diane> thoughts are things
[15:13] <ron> The important thing to remember is that these vehicles and their planes of consciousness, are actual centers of force. These centers, are affected by, and correspond to the planets, signs and Rays which constitute other centers of force. The inter-connections between these energies are the core of esoteric astrology.
[15:14] <ron> Traditional astrology teaches that all the planets have effects on the personality and its three vehicles. We know that the actual shape and temperament of the physical body is characterized by the Sign of the Ascendant and the planets found within or in aspect to the first house. Yet the Earth and Moon, regardless of their placement in the natal chart, exert the most essential qualities on the nature of the physical body.
[15:15] <ron> The Earth is easily found in the natal chart. It is always exactly opposite the position of the Sun.. the physical matter of the Earth is our physical body. This is the primary reason we are affected by the forces exerted by the Sun, Moon and other celestial bodies on our planet.
[15:15] <ron> found in the opposite sign of its natal sign
[15:15] <ron> thus, you also have the house location as well
[15:16] <ron> that will be the earth's location what I was referring to
[15:16] <Blu> ok
[15:16] <ron> mine will be in the sign of Cancer, in the 7th-house
[15:17] <ron> my natal Sun, is in the 1st-house, sign of Capricorn
[15:18] <ron> thought I'd mention this for a possible conversation at a later time, to see what we can come up with individually...i never did this before
[15:18] <ron> From the purely physical standpoint ~We are dust and to dust we shall return~. What animates our physical organism and all the other heavenly spheres is not dust, but Light, and it is to Light that we also return.
[15:19] <ron> that was nice...we are 'light' and it is to Light that we return...must remember that
[15:19] <diane> beautiful
[15:19] <Blu> and true
[15:20] <ron> It is this relationship of dust to Light that constitutes the core of the Ancient Science and all metaphysical enquiry.
[15:20] <ron> Thus the more attached we are to the personality, the more we are materially orientated, in and of the Earth. As the soul becomes an every-increasing Presence in our lives. We begin to become more Light oriented. The struggle to harmonize the two is an essential element of the Path of the Middle Way - the Way of the Disciple.
[15:21] <diane> yeah
[15:21] <ron> When the soul’s presence enters and is experienced through the physical body, a very noticeable change in our physical energies occurs. We appear to radiate. This radiance is felt and experienced by those sensitive enough to perceive it as warmth - a loving essence quite different from the heat of natural vitality which emanates from a gregarious and exuberant personality.
[15:22] <ron> Such a soul-realized person emanates a distinct physical energy which is not intrusive into the space of others. But nevertheless penetrates and most often uplifts them. One could say that such an individual has a healing quality about him, or her, as well as a quiet strength of purpose.
[15:23] <ron> As the Soul’s presence becomes a greater reality, we become increasingly more inclusive in our attitude both to ourselves and to life.
[15:23] <ron> When one has finally become an integrated Personality, the issues of sacrifice then becomes of paramount importance. At the point of integration, one has the test of either continuing, with renewed strength, many of the old patterns of the ego structure, or sacrificing the ego to the Soul, the life of the greater good, and the impersonal life. Such a sacrifice is very difficult to make, as the integrated ego will fight for its little existence.
[14:31] <ron> The Soul Remembering…. the concept of Past Life experiences through Reincarnation and remembering
[14:32] <ron> First of all in reading this one should take the assumption that reincarnation is held as actually happening to the Souls that reincarnate here on earth in order to learn and grow through the life experiences attained whilst in physical form on each incarnation.
[14:33] <ron> Souls are created in a positive matrix of such love and wisdom that when a Soul starts to come to a planet like Earth and join the physical beings who have evolved from a primitive state, the violence is a shock. Humans have the raw negative emotions of anger and hate as an outgrowth of their fear and pain connected with survival going back to the Stone Age.
[14:33] <ron> Both positive and negative emotions are mixed. If a Soul knew only love and peace it would gain no insight and never truly appreciate the value of these positive feelings. The test of reincarnation for a Soul coming to earth is the conquering of fear in a human body. A Soul grows by trying to overcome all negative emotions connected to fear through perseverance in many lifetimes.
[14:34] <ron> When we return ~home~ to the Source of ~All that Is~ we remember all of previous lifetimes and lessons learned and then when we return back to earth again of course there is the fact of amnesia for those lifetimes already put in place so we cannot ~remember~ with conscious memory. We can tap into some of those memories though through use of regression therapists, meditation etc when the need/desire is there
[14:35] <ron> When the Soul returns to Earth with the shroud of forgetfulness it must adjust to a new brain without conscious memory. The new baby has no past experiences yet. The reverse is true right after physical death.
[14:35] <ron> The Soul mind works with a great storehouse of past life and spiritual life memories and one also works with the conscious and subconscious memories of the current life incarnation as one walks the path of that physical form with the aim always of integrating the Soul with the personality.
[14:37] <ron> So how can we tap into the Soul memory in order to assist ourselves on the path of integration? We can learn to understand the different types of memory and increase our conscious awareness thereby bringing the unconscious to conscious {smile} when we are learning different things and receive a little ~ah ha~ factor then take the thread of that ~thought~ and follow it further back …
[14:39] <ron> so, the writer is stressing Truth before knowledge...a nice way to avoid misapplication of a little knowledge
[14:40] <miketrueeagle> what I'm always stating
[14:40] <Blu> good point
[14:40] <ron> The superconscious identity of the Soul houses our continuous memory including goals. When the time in our lives is appropriate, we must harmonize human material needs with our Soul’s purpose for being here.
[14:41] <ron> DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEMORY
[14:41] <ron> We can categorize the different forms of memory that are available to us in our human incarnation.
[14:41] <ron> One of the theories put forward by scientists is that memory recall comes through DNA, i.e. they have the belief that all memories are carried by DNA. In this way they can derive comfort from what they consider to be a scientific position against reincarnation.
[14:42] <ron> Certainly, everyone has a perfect right to not believe in reincarnation for a number of personal reasons, religious and otherwise. But to say that all past life memory is actually genetic in origin, carried in our DNA cells from remote ancestors, is an argument that can fall flat in several ways.
[14:42] <ron> Unconscious memories of past life trauma are capable of carrying a severely damaged physical imprint of that long dead body into our new body, but this is not the result of DNA. These molecular codes are brand new and came with our current material body. Attitudes and beliefs from the Soul mind do affect the biological mind.
[14:43] <ron> There are researchers who believe our eternal intelligence involving energy imprints and memory patterns from past lives, may influence DNA. Indeed there are countless of elements involving though sequencing which we bring into our body from former lives. This also includes our experiences in the spirit world where we have no body.
[14:44] <ron> A sound argument against past life DNA memory is the volume of research that has been accumulated about past lives. The former bodies we have had in prior lives are almost never genetically related to our current family. One could have been a member of the Smith family, along with others in ones Soul group , in one life, and then might all choose to be part of the Jones family in the next life.
[14:45] <ron> The average person has led past lives as Caucasians, Orientals and Africans etc with no heredity connections. Therefore this ~so called~ genetic memory is actually Soul memory emanating from the unconscious mind.
[14:46] <ron> We can divide memory into three categories
[14:46] <ron> 1. Conscious memory
[14:46] <ron> This state of thought would apply to all memories retained by the brain in our biological body. It is manifested by a conscious ego Self (personality) that is perceptive and adaptive to our physical planet. Conscious memory is influenced by sensory experiences and all our biological, primitive instinctual drives as well as emotional experiences.
[14:47] <ron> It can be faulty because there are defense mechanisms related to what it receives and evaluates through impressions from the five senses.
[14:48] <ron> 2. Immortal Memory
[14:48] <ron> Memories in this category appear to come through the subconscious mind. Subconscious thought is greatly influenced by body functions not subject to conscious control, such as heart rate and glandular functions.
[14:49] <ron> However, it can also be the selective storeroom of conscious memory. Immortal memory carries the memories of our origins in this life and other physical lives. It is a repository of much of our psyche because the subconscious mind forms the bridge between the conscious and superconscious mind.
[14:50] <ron> 3. Divine Memory
[14:50] <ron> There are the memories that emanate from our superconscious mind which houses the Soul. If conscious intuition and imagination are expressed through the subconscious mind, they are drawn from this Higher source. Our eternal Soul mind has evolved from superior conceptual thought energy beyond ourselves.
[14:51] <ron> Inspiration may seem to spring from immortal memory, but there is a higher intelligence outside our body mind which forms a part of divine memory. The source of these divine thoughts is illusive. Sometimes we conceive of it as personal memory, when actually divine memory represents communication from beings in our immortal existence.
[14:52] <ron> Increasing ones awareness is one of the ways in which we can tap into the sources of the Soul mind, learning to trust ones intuition, the thought prompts that arrive….and the more we practice doing this the more proficient we will become {smile}
[14:53] <ron> There is a statement from the Upanishads about our senses being carried in memory after death. The old Philosophical text is correct in the assumption that the senses, emotions and human ego are a path to infinite experience, which provides a physical consciousness to the immortal self.
[14:53] <JohnB> how do you not to pick others stuff like emotional and physical stuff then you are empath?
[14:54] <ron> MEANINGS: INTERPRETATIONS OF THE SOUL AND PERSONALITY
[14:54] <Blu> I think when that happens to me JB it feels "alien"
[14:54] <diane> I think we do pick up stuff from others all the time, JB
[14:54] <Blu> and it feels "unwanted"
[14:54] <ron> even by tone of the voice
[14:55] <ron> choice of words
[14:55] <diane> yep..and facial expressions
[14:55] <miketrueeagle> an meditation.. improves that
[14:55] <Blu> I get stuff all the time in meditation, it even sounds like another voice or voices
[14:55] <JohnB> okey
[14:55] <ron> they will reveal what is lying behind one's appearance
[14:56] <ron> and, of course, there is more, such as one's, vague, psychic impressions, hardly recognized as so
[14:56] <ron> as such*
[14:56] <diane> To thine own self be true.
[14:56] <ron> moving on
[14:56] <ron> MEANINGS: INTERPRETATIONS OF THE SOUL AND PERSONALITY
[14:57] <miketrueeagle> ty di
[14:57] <ron> As there are a number of fundamental metaphysical laws and structures to be examined before one can integrate the principles of Esoteric astrology into the natal chart, it might be pertinent to reflect on the meanings/interpretations of the Personality and the Soul
[14:57] <ron> In addition, several of the major steps and stages in the evolution of personal consciousness have to be recognized in order to apply these factors correctly. This requires three vital factors.
[14:58] <ron> 1. An understanding of exoteric astrology - Personality centered… considered from the perspective of the personality or the lower self.
[14:58] <ron> 1. An understanding of exoteric astrology - Personality centered… considered from the perspective of the personality or the lower self.
[14:59] <ron> 'lower self' for some reason reminds me of past comments that wore me out...:)
[14:59] <Blu> LOL
[15:00] <ron> 2. The same scope of understanding , but studied from the level of the Soul {or Higher Self}, this is esoteric astrology.
[15:00] <ron> 3. The intuitive ability to recognize the level on which these energies are expressing themselves, and the nature of their relationship between the both aspects.. This is the Path.
[15:01] <ron> The comprehension and integration of these first two factors require a strong mind, plus an ability and an eagerness to learn. The third factor is more complex, in that it necessitates a quality of personal development on the Soul level itself which is another example of how astrology serves the student as in striving for such a degree of Soul awareness, personal fulfillment and individual growth are achieved.
[15:01] <ron> There is an ancient esoteric tradition which has accompanied such Soul centered aspirations through the Ages..it is called Inner Teaching coming from what are called the Mystery Schools., which teach the Ancient Science otherwise known as the ~Ancient Wisdom Teachings~.
[15:02] <ron> To reveal our own Personal Truth, we must prepare our personality to receive (acknowledge) the Presence of the Soul. Only then may we say "What I seek to present through my life I Identify, Experience and Take Responsibility for as the Truth for me". {as also shown in my opening paragraph in these pages}
[15:03] <ron> Without this Presence as the central point and synthesizing essence of our life, our existence is totally Personality centered and consisting of a state of conjectures and opinion.
[15:04] <ron> This is accompanied by a series of partially fulfilled or frustrated desires, as well as alternating states of elation or depression depending on our physical appearance or the state of our material possessions. It is only through attunement and alignment with the Soul that a consistent approach to a life of endless inconsistencies is made possible.
[15:04] <ron> THE PERSONALITY: The Personality consists of:
[15:05] <ron> 1. The Physical body,
[15:05] <ron> 2. The emotional body (also known as the astral or desire body), and
[15:05] <ron> 3. The lower mental body (the rational mind),
[15:05] <ron> In a fully developed personality, three vehicles are synthesized into a harmoniously working unit. This means that there is an alignment of the mind and the feelings so that our outer actions are expressed in a balanced manner.
[15:06] <ron> {The position of the planets in the natal horoscope will, of course indicate the ease or difficulty in bringing about this integration of the personality. The transcending force, the use of the will to ~weave~ the pattern of the horoscope into a cohesive whole - is a primary factor leading to the free use of that will and the co-creation of our character and destiny}.
[15:06] <ron> that was expressed very good!
[15:07] <ron> It is the goal of every spiritually active and aspiring person to create such an integration of lower self, for it is then only with the correct alignment of forces that consistent Soul contact can occur.
[15:08] <ron> The individualization of the lesser ego is a major step in personal evolution. More and more are making the actual link between the lower and the Higher selves as the awakening to the Rainbow Bridge and the soul’s Presence become every-increasing realities.
[15:08] <diane> wish they gave methods to achieve all this alignment
[15:08] <ron> Until a fairly advanced state of personal evolution is reach, in which there is a fusion between the lower and the Higher selves, everything about the personality is either inherited (biological karma), or created and assumed temporarily (factors of response to social conditioning.
[15:08] <Blu> it's called application!
[15:09] <diane> I need a picture. lol
[15:09] <miketrueeagle> THE TRUTH. IS PART OF OUR CORE...JESUSUSED IT MINNY TIMES..I AM THE TRUTH-THE LIGHT-THE WAY...THE TRUTH SHALL SET U FREE ^I^
[15:09] <Blu> I have watched you do this in your own life Diane!
[15:10] <ron> The exception to this is the eternal and immortal Life Principle, which animates all existence. The ~forms~ of the personality - whether these are the actual forms of the physical body, the thought-forms of the mind, or the forms for the expression of personal desire - are mortal and temporary in nature.
[15:10] <diane> hmmmm.
[15:11] <ron> The Life force remains ever formless, yet it is constantly creating these ~temporary containers~ for Itself through the work and Function of the soul-personality relationship.
[15:11] <ron> When we speak of the personality, or lower self, we refer to an entity composed of three vehicles of consciousness; the physical body, the emotional or astral body, and the lower mental body {the rational, logical mind}. ~Vehicle~ implies the structure of matter which conveys the more subtle life energy or consciousness. Thus, we could compare a vehicle to a thought, and consciousness to the energy which that thought contains.
[15:12] <diane> thoughts are things
[15:13] <ron> The important thing to remember is that these vehicles and their planes of consciousness, are actual centers of force. These centers, are affected by, and correspond to the planets, signs and Rays which constitute other centers of force. The inter-connections between these energies are the core of esoteric astrology.
[15:14] <ron> Traditional astrology teaches that all the planets have effects on the personality and its three vehicles. We know that the actual shape and temperament of the physical body is characterized by the Sign of the Ascendant and the planets found within or in aspect to the first house. Yet the Earth and Moon, regardless of their placement in the natal chart, exert the most essential qualities on the nature of the physical body.
[15:15] <ron> The Earth is easily found in the natal chart. It is always exactly opposite the position of the Sun.. the physical matter of the Earth is our physical body. This is the primary reason we are affected by the forces exerted by the Sun, Moon and other celestial bodies on our planet.
[15:15] <ron> found in the opposite sign of its natal sign
[15:15] <ron> thus, you also have the house location as well
[15:16] <ron> that will be the earth's location what I was referring to
[15:16] <Blu> ok
[15:16] <ron> mine will be in the sign of Cancer, in the 7th-house
[15:17] <ron> my natal Sun, is in the 1st-house, sign of Capricorn
[15:18] <ron> thought I'd mention this for a possible conversation at a later time, to see what we can come up with individually...i never did this before
[15:18] <ron> From the purely physical standpoint ~We are dust and to dust we shall return~. What animates our physical organism and all the other heavenly spheres is not dust, but Light, and it is to Light that we also return.
[15:19] <ron> that was nice...we are 'light' and it is to Light that we return...must remember that
[15:19] <diane> beautiful
[15:19] <Blu> and true
[15:20] <ron> It is this relationship of dust to Light that constitutes the core of the Ancient Science and all metaphysical enquiry.
[15:20] <ron> Thus the more attached we are to the personality, the more we are materially orientated, in and of the Earth. As the soul becomes an every-increasing Presence in our lives. We begin to become more Light oriented. The struggle to harmonize the two is an essential element of the Path of the Middle Way - the Way of the Disciple.
[15:21] <diane> yeah
[15:21] <ron> When the soul’s presence enters and is experienced through the physical body, a very noticeable change in our physical energies occurs. We appear to radiate. This radiance is felt and experienced by those sensitive enough to perceive it as warmth - a loving essence quite different from the heat of natural vitality which emanates from a gregarious and exuberant personality.
[15:22] <ron> Such a soul-realized person emanates a distinct physical energy which is not intrusive into the space of others. But nevertheless penetrates and most often uplifts them. One could say that such an individual has a healing quality about him, or her, as well as a quiet strength of purpose.
[15:23] <ron> As the Soul’s presence becomes a greater reality, we become increasingly more inclusive in our attitude both to ourselves and to life.
[15:23] <ron> When one has finally become an integrated Personality, the issues of sacrifice then becomes of paramount importance. At the point of integration, one has the test of either continuing, with renewed strength, many of the old patterns of the ego structure, or sacrificing the ego to the Soul, the life of the greater good, and the impersonal life. Such a sacrifice is very difficult to make, as the integrated ego will fight for its little existence.
