Post by WalksInSpirit on Jan 16, 2007 18:13:03 GMT -5
true_eagle says: yes ron ..
Blu says: cool Ron
true_eagle says: roll with it ron
ron says: i'm sure you will find my excerpts from a book on Jesus quite interesting...especially regarding other details, comments from the author(s)
ron says: should i start now?
true_eagle says: anything on jesus .. works 4 me ^i^
Walt says: you might list your sources for information?
ron says: LIVES OF THE MASTER The Rest of the Story - based upon the Psychic Readings
ron says: Of Edgar Cayce - A.R.E Press 1989/2nd printing
ron says: LIVES OF THE MASTER The Rest of the Story - based upon the Psychic Readings Of Edgar Cayce - A.R.E Press 1989/2nd printing
ron says: [Excerpts I took from the same book]
Walt says: ty
ron says: Only as a gift of Him who has given, “If ye keep my ways, I will love thee, will abide with thee, and bring to thy remembrance ALL things from the foundation of the world.” 2027-8
ron says: Something we all should remember in our pursuit of knowledge, of wisdom
ron says: of understanding
diane says: Amen to that, ron
Walt says: y
Weaverofdreams says: hmm
ron says: Then Jesus said: Behold, Father, she wanders the earth pursued by evil. Far from thy Breath she is going astray. She is trying to flee better chaos, and does not know how she is to escape.
true_eagle says: keep our eye on the prize..... JESUS CHRIST ^I^
ron says: Send me forth, O Father, therefore, and I, bearing the seal shall descend and wander all Aeons through, all mysteries reveal. I shall manifest the forms of the gods and teach the secrets of the holy way…” - Early Christian Naassene Psalm
ron says: by the way, the word "she" is our souls,
ron says: Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of Man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” HE said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Matthew 16:13-15
ron says: The Old Testament ends with this prophecy:
ron says: Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes. Malachi 4:5
ron says: And in the New Testament:
ron says: And the disciples asked him, “Then why do the scribes say that first Elijah, must come?” He replied, “Elijah does comes, and he is to restore all things; but I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of man will suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understand that he was speaking to them of John the Baptist. Matthew 17:10-13
ron says: Jesus’ identification of John with Elijah occurred on another occasion:
ron says: This is he of whom it is written, “Behold, I send my messenger before they face, who shall prepare thy way before thee.”
ron says: Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist…
ron says: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John;
ron says: And if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come.
ron says: He who has ears t hear, let him hear. Matthew 11:10-15
ron says: This is common knowledge among the people:
ron says: we are going thru the topic of reincarnation, generally
ron says: Now Herod the tetrarch heard of all that was done, and he was perplexed, because it was said by some, that John had been raised from the dead, by some, that Elijah had appeared, and by others that one of the old prophets had risen. Luke 9:7-8
ron says: A Cayce reading confirms that the Sadducees did not believe in the immortality of the soul and adds that this issue was at the heart of a question presented to Jesus and discussed in three of the gospels. In these gospels “the Sadducees, who say that there is no resurrection,” asked Jesus to whom at the resurrection a woman who had been married to multiple husbands would belong (Matthew 22:23, Mark 12:18, Luke 20:27).
ron says: Jesus’ answer appears to be referring to life on the “other side” and may have been designed to avoid taking sides in a doctrinal dispute. Cayce said that the term “resurrection” actually meant to people at hat time the incarnating - rising or resurrecting - into life again. (5749-8) It was the term the disciples used for souls rising from the grave and taking on new life. Today we call it reincarnation.
ron says: The idea that “resurrection” meant the taking on of new life after death is supported as early as Isaiah 26:19. There, in discussing the time when Israel would be restored out of its current bondage, Isaiah promises: “Thy dead shall live, my body shall rise.”
ron says: Again in Acts 23:8:
ron says: For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor angel, nor spirit; but the Pharisees acknowledge them all.
ron says: Some more examples:
ron says: As he [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered,” It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be made manifest in him.” John 9:1-3
ron says: Here the author is talking about wisdom and the soul:
ron says: The Lord created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.
ron says: Ages ago I was set up, at the first before the beginning of the earth.
ron says: When there were no depths I was brought forth, when there were no springs abounding with water.
ron says: Before the mountains had been shaped, before the hills, I was brought forth;
ron says: Before he had made the earth with its fields, or the first of the dust of the world.
ron says: When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
ron says: When he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
ron says: Then I was beside him, like a master workman; and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always,
ron says: Rejoicing in his inhabited world and delighting in the sons of men. Proverbs 8:22-31
ron says: i know we all know what the above is all about
ron says: Prayer of Moses:
Roz says: sounds like Enoch
ron says: Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
ron says: Before the mountains were brought fourth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
ron says: Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
ron says: For a thousand years in thy sight are but yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
ron says: The span of their life will be as a sleep; in the morning they are like grass which changes.
ron says: In the morning it flourishes and grows up; in the evening it is cut down and withers.
ron says: Return, O Lord. How Long? Psalm 90:1-6,13/Lamsa translation
ron says: [page # ] is from the book i'm drawing from
ron says: not Bible or otherr translations
ron says: The pre-existence of the soul:
ron says: Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:4-5
Roz says: my fav translation too ron
ron says: Is there a thing of which it is said, “See, this is new”? It has been already, in the ages before us. There is no remembrance of later things yet to happen among those who come after. Ecclesiastes 1:10-11
ron says: Cayce readings tell us that if by faith, grace, and following Jesus’ example we, like the prodigal son, return to the Father ending this earthly cycle.
ron says: He who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God, AND HE SHALL NOT GO OUT AGAIN; and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the new Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven from my God; and I will write upon him my new name. Rev. 3:12/Lamsa translation
ron says: Here are a few suggestions that additional lives are the result of sin. Until we meet our errors and overcome them by right thought, right action and grace, we will return to earth and try again. Eastern religions call this law “karma” .
ron says: You will find this law in the Bible numerous times:
ron says: Do not be deceived; God is not mocked: for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.” Galatians 6:7
ron says: He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” Rev. 13:10/Lamsa translation
ron says: The point is this: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly; and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. II Corinthians 9:6
ron says: As you have done, it shall be done to you, your deeds shall return on your own head. Obediah 1:15
ron says: If the concept of reincarnation was so prevalent in early Christian thought, why is it not a part of mainstream Christian theology today? Although such a belief has surfaced from time to time in the long history of Christianity, it ceased to be a significant factor in that religion after the Fifth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in 553 AD.
ron says: One of the products of the Council (apparently added by Emperor Justinian) as THE FIFTEEN ANATHEMAS AGAINST ORIGEN, in which the doctrines of Origen, including belief in reincarnation, were condemned. Following is typical wording taken from that condemnation of Origenism:
ron says: If anyone assert the fabulous pre-existence of souls and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows it, let him be anathema.
ron says: i went into a lot of detail so that much of this can be referenced by anyone
ron says: but only choosing the substance of the book ...hopefully so :)
ron says: If anyone assert the fabulous pre-existence of souls and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows it, let him be anathema.
ron says: …If anyone shall say that Christ…had pity upon the divers falls which had appeared in the spirits…and that to restore them He passed through divers classes, had different bodies and different names, became all to all, an Angel among Angels, a Power among Powers…
ron says: and finally has taken flesh and blood like ours and is became man for man…if anyone says all this and does not profess that God the Word humbled Himself and became man; let him be anathema.
ron says: …If anyone shall say that the life of the Spirits shall be like to the life which was in the beginning, when as yet the spirits had not come down or fallen; so that the end…shall be the true measure of the beginning; let him be anathema. Hippolytus “The Refutation of All Heresies” V:47-58
ron says: All this eventually became dogma of the Roman Catholic Church in 553 AD.
ron says: Cayce and Gnosticism -
ron says: Cayce was once asked if reincarnation was a accepted concept of early Christian Gnosticism. In answering this question affirmatively, he also said that Gnosticism was the accepted form of Christianity until “there began to be set rules in which there were attempts to take shortcuts. And there are none in Christianity.” (5749-14)
ron says: Q. What action of the early church, or council, can be mentioned as that which ruled [out] reincarnation from Christian theology?
ron says: A. Just as indicated - the attempts of individuals to accept or take advantage of, because of this knowledge, see? 5749-14
ron says: to take advantage of
ron says: of who?...the faithful?
ron says: The Jesus Incarnations -
merri says: ohoh
ron says: The readings indicate that the Jesus soul lived as many as thirty different lives and from among them clearly identified the following:
ron says: lol
merri says: tell me Hermes is mentioned!
diane says: didn't gnosticism refute the diety of Jesus?
ron says: Does anyone have a EC quote on 30 possible incarnations?
ron says: i have 2 other sources to refer to but haven't got that far just yet
ron says: i don't have a reading #, if there is any
diane says: at least that's what the fundamentalists say about G-ism. :-)
merri says: I remember a reference in the Cayce reading as to that number of incarnations
ron says: AMILIUS - an incarnation in spirit form only.
Roz says: at least Merri LOL
ron says: merri, if you have time, i would be interested
merri says: but couldn't tell you just where to find it
ron says: ok...we'll see what happens
ron says: ADAM - the first man, described in the opening of the Bible.
ron says: ENOCH - a man who “walked with God,” as found in Genesis.
ron says: HERMES - included in this book. [considered suggestive]
ron says: MELCHIZEDEX - a priest at the time of Abraham.
merri says: is this still spirit form?
ron says: by the way, this book has its 2nd printing by the ARE Press
true_eagle says: yes .. AN JESUS &CAYCE.... could b among us now !
ron says: JOSHUA - the successor to Moses who led the Israelites into the Promised Land.
merri says: what book ron
ron says: Lives of the Master/ARE Press/by Glenn Sanderfur
ron says: ASAPH - a musician in King David’s court.
ron says: JOSHUA - a priest who helped re-establish the worship of God after the Israelites’
ron says: JOSHUA - a priest who helped re-establish the worship of God after the Israelites’ return from captivity in Babylon.
ron says: ZEND - the father of the religious leader Zoroaster.
ron says: JESUS - the Christ.
ron says: The readings suggest that Hermes of Egypt may also have been an earlier incarnation of Jesus.
ron says: Although the above lives were all that were specifically given, the readings provide these additional profound observations about the appearances of the Jesus soul in the earth:
merri says: suggest?
ron says: In all those periods that the basic principle was the Oneness of the Father, He has walked with men. 364-8
ron says: now, what would we end up with if we wrote out all the one God religions of the world?
ron says: As has been indicated, the entity [Jesus] - as an entity - influenced either directly or indirectly all those forms of philosophy or religious thought that taught God was One. 364-9
ron says: Reading 364-7, a list of subsequent lives of Adam included one as Ur. A follow-up question in reading 364-9, Cayce answered:
ron says: Ur was rather a land, a place, a city - and the thought, or intent, or the call was from Ur. Ur, then as presented or represented in the experience of Jesus, as one that impelled or guided those thoughts in that period, or experience. 364-9
Blu says: I have a report of reading 281-10 when we have a moment for it
ron says: and it has been suggested that there was 30 incarnations
ron says: the number 30 is prminent in the Bible...3 = perfection
true_eagle says: k blu
true_eagle says: o ...yea .. im a 3
ron says: the number of Jupiter/the pituitary/the Father/Jupiter rules religion, philosophy, and higher learning
ron says: Ur was rather a land, a place, a city - and the thought, or intent, or the call was from Ur. Ur, then as presented or represented in the experience of Jesus, as one that impelled or guided those thoughts in that period, or experience. 364-9
