TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL ZODIACS: 10-30-06

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TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL ZODIACS: 10-30-06

ron says: today will do a few things on precession and the great ages...there is some astronical things included...much of which i have forgotten since i never use it with my studies of interpretation..since it is constantly part of the readings i thougt i'd start with some of it...can be confusing

ron says: i have many more regarding precession and the great ages...some writers are better than others in trying to clarify the subject from an astronimical view...so i hope you will find the subject interesting

ron says: TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL ZODIACS

ron says: The astrological sign positions used by most astrologers are based on the time of the year rather than the Sun's position in respect to the background of Constellations. This means that March 21st is always 0 degrees Aries regardless whether the Sun is in the Constellation of Aries at that time. This is known as the Tropical Zodiacal system.

ron says: or, earth-based...interpretataions of personality based upon seasonal changes

ron says: which to me, is truly geocentric

ron says: The Sidereal system is based upon the actual position of the Sun in the Constellations. The Sun position in the Sidereal Zodiac different by 30 degrees from the Tropical system.

ron says: the readings speack of the sidereal, or constellational approach to astrology...but even the ARE send out charts based upon the tropical system...Mark Thurston sent me his view that the tropical system dealt with the personality, and the sidereal system deals with the individiuality

ron says: This means that if the Sun is 15 degrees Libra in the Tropical system, the actual position of the Sun in the Constellations (Sidereal system) is 15 degrees Virgo, exactly one sign behind 15 degrees Libra. There is considerable debate about which system should be used.

ron says: also, the conflict that occurs with the sidereal system is that of birth signs for instance...that is why they don't interpret the signs..only house locations of a birth chart...the Eastern system, the Vedic, uses only houses for the locations of the planets as well...i think still uses the Persian system

ron says: that is, the sideral system

ron says: i hope i'm making some sense here :)

Blu says: makes sense to me Ron

diane says: yep

ron says: For the Egyptian and the Persian records are quite varied. If the entity would study astrology, do not put the signs in the Egyptian calendar but in the Persian interpretations are more proficient than the Egyptian.

ron says: This is not belittling the efforts of the entity nor of the Egyptians in those periods, but the variations in time have been corrected by the Persians and not by the Egyptians. The Egyptian calculations are thirty degrees off. 2011-3

ron says: here is an important point from the above paragraph...

ron says: "This is not belittling the efforts of the entity nor of the Egyptians in those periods, "

ron says: another words, both systems are acceptable!!

diane says: right

ron says: though, the actual sky postions are according to the constellations

Blu says: seems like it says the Egyptians is oudated to me

ron says: not outdated, but still acceptable

ron says: since even the ARE sends out charts according to the Tropical system of astrology

Blu says: if their calculations are 30 degrees off how can it still work?

ron says: based upon the seasons, and how they affect personality through the years

ron says: this has not changed

Blu says: I may have to read this when the screen is not moving

Blu says: ok

ron says: the winter type personality for instance

ron says: as opposed to the summer type...has anyone heard of this?

true_eagle_mike says: yes ..i have

diane says: no

ron says: i must go on

ron says: For most astrologers are nearly thirty degrees off in their reckoning in the present. 3376-2

true_eagle_mike says: pos ---- -- neg forces

ron says: what about the cold facade of the Capricorn being a winter sign

ron says: what about the warmth of the sign of Cancer?

true_eagle_mike says: or leo the sun

Blu says: I have not heard of that Ron

ron says: maternal and sensitive

ron says: one would have to read about the signs from that perspective to see what i'm saying

ron says: If one argues in favor of the Tropical system based on the influence of the four seasons rather than the Constellations, there is no problem. What may be important are PLANETARY SOJOURNS, and that is what may be reflected in the Edgar Cayce reading regarding the planets and signs. The Readings mention the planets more the signs.

Lynn says: Would Scorpio be autumn type?

true_eagle_mike says: an wat forces the moon has on some people

ron says: read the first sentence again

Lynn says: ok

ron says: mike, the Moon of Cancer show and emotioanl attachment...that maternal kindnes

Blu says: so basically look at the planets

true_eagle_mike says: ty

ron says: show the warmth of the mother

ron says: If one argues in favor of the Tropical system based on the influence of the four seasons rather than the Constellations, there is no problem. What may be important are PLANETARY SOJOURNS, and that is what may be reflected in the Edgar Cayce reading regarding the planets and signs. The Readings mention the planets more the signs.

true_eagle_mike says: cayve beleved in astroagy.. dats good enough 4 me

ron says: thank God for that...i'd hate have to let go of another misconception on my part lol

ron says: About 2000 years ago, both system were in alignment. But because of Precession, the Tropical and Sidereal systems are off as indicated. Remember that the Tropical system is based upon earth's seasonal changes, starting with Aries as the first sign at the beginning of Spring.

ron says: Spring, or Aries...don't they like to start things...full of passion?

ron says: The Sidereal system is based upon the Constellations that lie along 3 or 4 degrees of either side of the Celestial Equator. The Sidereal system did not use the signs as part of their system but have been studying on that possibility. They have been trying to incorporate the Tropical system of signs for many years now. END

ron says: ok...next

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ron says: ASTROLOGICAL AGES

ron says: We are intimately interconnected with the universe and its planetary cycles. Planetary cycles correspond to cycles of human consciousness and reveal themselves in myth, religion, philosophy, social and political structures, and the creative arts.

ron says: An important concept is astrological age, which is the approximately 2,160 years to takes the vernal equinox to move from one constellation to the next. An astrological change signifies enormous changes for the world.

ron says: . A few examples will illustrate this. Judaism was born at the dawn of the astrological Age of Aries, and the birth of Christ marked the dawn of the Age of Pisces. No one knows exactly when the next astrological age, the Age of Aquarius, will start. However, we do know that the 2,000 plus-year cycle, which began with the birth of Christ, is now drawing to a close.

ron says: From studying the planetary cycles, we can see that the Age of Aquarius will be concerned with social idealism and the concept of becoming one people. Aquarius is the sign of humanitarianism and it is know for an ability to both invent and communicate.

Blu says: This is so interesting from this perspective

ron says: As such, the Age of Aquarius will be a time when we will more deeply tap into our human potential and it has the potential to be the age of universal harmony. Edgar Cayce is the forerunner of the Aquarian Age. The one to prepare the Way regarding group concept and (w)holist healing, as well as preparing a opportunity for the Second Coming.

Blu says: amazing to be able to be here now and participate in this

true_eagle_mike says: well put ron

true_eagle_mike says: e c was our wake up call .. 4 those that would see it

ron says: An astrological age is determined by what constellation the (spring) equinox rises in. An astrological age is roughly 2160 years. The dates below are approximate and not exact.

ron says: 12,000 BCE Leo : Mesolithic period: First Burial Sites and cremation, sun worship Leo is a fire sign.

ron says: 8000 BCE - Cancer: Flood legends Cancer is water sign, Moon worship, goddess and fertility rites.

ron says: 6000 BCE Gemini: Change in Pole Star from Thuban to Polaris. Writing in Babylon and dual god forms. Gemini air sign associated with communication and twins.

ron says: 4000 BCE Taurus: End of Stone Age: Egyptians smelt copper Bull worship-winged bull Taurus is fixed earth sign.

ron says: 2000 BCE Aries: Mars, war like cultures age of heroes and Alexander the Great, Gladiators of Rome. Beginning of the Iron age.

ron says: 0 CE Pisces: Fish and martyrdom. Fish symbol in many regions of time. Birth of Jesus.

diane says: sure is

ron says: Pisces is a water sign

ron says: 2000 CE Aquarius: the Water Bearer. This is the present age. Will be either age of humanitarian or anarchist - genius or fanatic?

ron says: non of this is accidental...all these symbols falling in at the right time, the right season, the right age

ron says: all is planned from above...thousands and thousands of years beforehand

ron says: Many of us are familiar with the various influences brought by each of the passing zodiac signs - but little is known about the governing climate of influence beamed by the various pole stars throughout history. The pole star is also know as the North Star because it is the one directly above Earth's North Pole.

ron says: As the Earth traverses the heavens during the great cycle of 25,826 years, it passes through the cosmic year's equivalent of the four seasons, each of which produces spiritual changes in the state of evolving humanity.

ron says: (An astrological age is comprised of 2,152 years. An age is the duration of each zodiac sign and represents a month of the cosmic year. The cosmic year is comprised of the twelve zodiacal ages - a total of 25,826 years).

ron says: i guess, the writer is dividing up the 2000 year great age into 12 divisions

ron says: As the tilt of Earth's axis allows its North magnetic pole to align with a particular pole star constellation of the heavens, cosmic energies are drawn from that region into the Earth and into human consciousness.

ron says: These energies affect the bio electrical field of our physical bodies through the acupuncture meridians - and the Earth by means of its planetary grid. This grid is an invisible network of energy paths within the Earth that act as the meridians of the planet. Wherever these lines intersect geographically, they form power centers.

ron says: Scientific studies reveal that the bio electrical field of the body profoundly influences the entire nervous system and that the field itself responds to changes in the Earth's magnetic field.

ron says: Prophetic sources have designated 1931 as the beginning of the Age of Light. The astrological Age of Pisces (which we have just left behind) represents the dark before the dawn, and we are at the turning point of the evolutionary circle as we entered into the Age Aquarius and into the light.

ron says: i guess this is where i got my Age of Light with earlier chats...expressing a view of my own that was influenced by another writer and the Light bodies and comprehension of the Kings Chamber regarding death etc

Blu says: awesome

ron says: It should be understood that the global purification we are now embarked upon is the externalization of our collective shadow. The return of the light disturbs the darkness and exposes that which we have hidden or denied.

Blu says: oh yeah

diane says: true

ron says: The symbolic and mythical characters depicted by the constellations around the wheel of the zodiac are codes, metaphors for the evolutionary states of progression since the beginning our present cycle of civilization.

true_eagle_mike says: dubble o yea

ron says: When the Earth passes closest to the Milky Way, through the ages Sagittarius and Scorpio during the cosmic summer, civilization periodically attains its highest peak: the era of the recurrent GOLDEN AGE.

diane says: much is being exposed these days!

ron says: Tradition tells us that the GOLDEN AGE was populated by people who had realized the Self - just as it will be next time around. When the last Golden Age faded, Earth began to align with a new pole star - Cygnus, the Swan. A declining cycle of human affairs had begun. As the cosmic season of the fall drew closer, Vega (the Arabic word for "fall") became the next pole star.

ron says: During this time, myth speaks of the decline of Lemuria and the sinking of Atlantis (around 12,000 years ago). Vega is also associated with the decline of the female principle in the world. Vega ruled over the Age of Virgo (the virgin). When the stars of that constellation are joined up by lines to identify its outline, a female figure is seen falling backwards.

ron says: Historically, it was Hercules who was destined to become the next pole star.

ron says: Polaris, our present polar star, represents the point of polarity between cosmic winter/summer, night/day - Pisces/Aquarius. It governs the re-polarization of Earth's consciousness, and also the hemispherical poles; the balance of our planet's geographic poles. As Aquarius pours forth the waters of life from the fullness of his vessel, the earth will be purified by his gift.

Blu says: I need to really think about that

true_eagle_mike says: yea ron .. i know .. u told us .. no woe ..4 merlin

true_eagle_mike says: a new day .. is dawning ^i^

ron says: how about, "enlightenment"?...knowledge/wisdom being poured from above by a heavenly being...how about what is being poured down is humanities ability to look into the Akasha by those that are worthy

Blu says: wow

ron says: its not only the symbolic water (brotherhood) but as indicated by Aquarius, but the ethers of Akasha as well

ron says: that is my view of the New Age as given by its forerunner and messenger Edgar Cayce

true_eagle_mike says: is it an accident.. we all r here.. no..... .an cayce is the reason why !

ron says: Polaris, our present polar star, represents the point of polarity between cosmic winter/summer, night/day - Pisces/Aquarius. It governs the re-polarization of Earth's consciousness, and also the hemispherical poles; the balance of our planet's geographic poles. As Aquarius pours forth the waters of life from the fullness of his vessel, the earth will be purified by his gift.

diane says: good view, ron. makes sense

ron says: But when the waters settle and become calm, we shall see reflected in their stillness a new reality - an expanded state of harmony and wisdom awaits as the New Order of the Ages stabilizes.

ron says: Under the influence of Polaris, there is a polarization to be resolved as the light challenges the darkness. There is work to be done, mysteries to be revealed, and challenges to be met.

ron says: It is known that great civilizations fell after the high point of achievement during the last equinoctial cycle's Age of Light. There were many feats of engineering excellence and marvels of a magnitude far surpassing the modern abilities of our own.

Blu says: challenge is putting it lightly!

ron says: In another 6,000 years we shall have reached the zenith of this particular spiral of existence.

ron says: Could things be speeded up by a major pole shift? Perhaps. That might be the only acceptable reason for humanity to experience so much destruction and suffering. There are many, many theories at present. END

Blu says: omg, 6,000 year!!!!

ron says: take a break...open chat...and if you want, i will dig up something else to share with you

Blu says: Stay in the moment Blu!

true_eagle_mike says: k good stuff Ron

ron says: and i really appreciate all of your company

ron says: well, if the earth is still around and inhabited

Blu says: thank you for showing these things Ron, I wish I could find a way to line this all up with the great migration material...I think I will try it

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(03:40:29) (ron) Likewise significant in the pre-Qumrum traditions of the Essenes is the existence of certain Zoroastrian elements, a fact which I have previously maintained and which Arnold Toynbee has also pointed out in a recent writing. They bear a similar correlation to later teachings like those of the Kabala and Freemasonry. Their most unique element, which has apparently been developed independently, is their science of Angelology.

(03:41:10) (ron) The quotations appearing on the page preceding each chapter are from two of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the "Manual of Disciplines" and the "Thanksgiving Psalms," or "Book of Hymns," which I have translated from photo static copies of the original texts found in the caves of Qumrum. Edmond Bordeaux Szekely - San Diego, California, 1957

(03:41:37) (ron) And Enoch walked with God; and he was not; for God took him. Genesis 5:24

(03:42:08) (diane) meaning he didn't die

(03:42:10) (ron) "The Law was planted in the Garden of the Brotherhood to enlighten the heart of man and to make straight before him all the ways of true righteousness, a humble spirit, an even temper, a freely compassionate nature, and eternal goodness and understanding and insight, and mighty wisdom which believes in all God's works and a confident trust in His many blessings and a spirit of knowledge in all things of the Great Order,

(03:42:18) (ron) right diane

(03:42:51) (ron) loyal feelings toward all the Children of truth, a radiant purity which loathes everything impure, a discretion regarding all the hidden things of truth and secrets of inner knowledge." From "The Manual of Discipline" of the Dead Sea Scrolls

(03:43:24) (ron) Chapter 1: THE ESSENES AND THEIR TEACHING

(03:43:40) (ron) From the remote ages of antiquity a remarkable teaching has existed which is universal in its application and ageless in its wisdom. Fragments of it are found in Sumerian hieroglyphs and on tiles and stones dating back some eight or ten thousand years.

(03:43:42) (true_eagle_mike) an we know that the dead sea scrolls.. back up the bible

(03:44:04) (ron) Some of the symbols, such as for the sun, moon, air, water and other natural forces, are from an even earlier age preceding the cataclysm that ended the Pleistocene period. How many thousands of years previous to that the teaching existed is unknown.

(03:44:29) (ron) To study and practice this teaching is to reawaken within the heart of every man an intuitive knowledge that can solve his individual problems and the problems of the world.

(03:44:51) (ron) Traces of the teaching have appeared in almost every country and religion. Its fundamental principles were taught in ancient Persia, Egypt, India, Tibet, China, Palestine, Greece and many other countries.

(03:45:11) (ron) But it has been transmitted in its most pure form by the Essenes, that mysterious brotherhood which lived during the last two or three centuries B. C. and the first century of the Christian era at the Dead Sea in Palestine and at Lake Mareotis in Egypt. In Palestine and Syria the members of the brotherhood were known as Essenes and in Egypt as Therapeutae, or healers.

(03:45:45) (ron) The esoteric part of their teaching is given in The Tree of Life, The Communions, and the Sevenfold Peace. The exoteric or outer teaching appears in "The Essene Gospel of Peace,' "Genesis, An Essene Interpretation," "Moses, the Prophet of the Law," and "The Sermon on the Mount."

(03:46:12) (ron) The origin of the brotherhood is said to be unknown, and the derivation of the name is uncertain. Some believe it comes from Enoch, and claim him to be their founder, their Communion with the angelic world having first been given to him.

(03:46:34) (ron) Others consider the name comes from Israel, the elects of the people to whom Moses brought forth the Communions at Mount Sinai where they were revealed to him by the angelic world.

(03:46:54) (ron) But whatever their origin, it is certain the Essenes existed for a very long time as a brotherhood, perhaps under other names in other lands.

(03:47:19) (ron) The teaching appears in the Zend Avesta of Zoroaster, who translated it into a way of life that was followed for thousands of years.

(03:47:37) (ron) It contains the fundamental concepts of Brahmanism, the Vedas and the Upanishads; and the Yoga systems of India sprang from the same source. Buddha later gave forth essentially the same basic ideas and his sacred Bodhi tree is correlated with the Essene Tree of Life. In Tibet the teaching once more found expression in the Tibetan Wheel of Life.

(03:48:11) (ron) The Pythagoreans and Stoics in ancient Greece also followed the Essene principles and much of their way of life. The same teaching was an element of the Adonic culture of the Phoenicians, of the Alexandrian School of Philosophy in Egypt,

(03:48:33) (ron) , and contributed greatly to many branches of Western culture, Freemasonry, Gnosticism, the Kabala and Christianity. Jesus interpreted it in its most sublime and beautiful form in the seven Beatitudes of the Sermon on the Mount.

(03:48:59) (ron) The Essenes lived on the shores of lakes and rivers, away from cities and towns, and practiced a communal way of life, sharing equally in everything. They were mainly agriculturists and arboriculturists, having a vast knowledge of crops, soil and climatic conditions which enabled them to grow a great variety of fruits and vegetables in comparatively desert areas and with a minimum of labor.

(03:49:26) (ron) They had no servants or slaves and were said to have been the first people to condemn slavery both in theory and practice. There were no rich and no poor amongst them, both conditions being considered by them as deviations from the Law. They established their own economic system, based wholly on the Law, and showed that all man's food and material needs can be attained without struggle, through knowledge of the Law.

(03:49:59) (ron) They spent much time in study both of ancient writings and special branches of learning, such as education, healing and astronomy. They were said to be the heirs of Chaldean and Persian astronomy and Egyptian arts of healing. They were adept in prophecy for which they prepared by prolonged fasting. In the use of plants and herbs for healing man and beast they were likewise proficient.

(03:50:46) (ron) They lived a simple regular life, rising each day before sunrise to study and commune with the forces of nature, bathing in cold water as a ritual and donning white garments. After their daily labor in the fields and vineyards they partook of their meals in silence, preceding and ending it with prayer.

(03:51:11) (ron) They were entirely vegetarian in their eating and never touched flesh foods nor fermented liquids. Their evenings were devoted to study and communion with the heavenly forces.

(03:51:36) (ron) Evening was the beginning of their day and their Sabbath or holy day began on Friday evening, the first day of their week. This day was given to study, discussion, the entertaining of visitors and playing certain musical instruments, replicas of which have been found.

(03:52:00) (ron) Their way of life enabled them to live to advanced ages of 120 years or more and they were said to have marvelous strength and endurance. In all their activities they expressed creative love.

(03:52:19) (ron) They sent out healers and teachers from the brotherhoods, amongst whom were Elijah, John the Baptist, John the Beloved and the great Essene Master, Jesus. Membership in the brotherhood was attainable only after a probationary period of a year and three years of initiatory work, followed by seven more years before being given the full inner teaching.

(03:52:57) (ron) Records of the Essene way of life have come down to us from writings of their contemporaries. Pliny, the Roman naturalist, Philo the Alexandrian philosopher, Josephus the Jewish historian and soldier,

(03:53:19) (ron) Solanius and others spoke of them variously as "a race by themselves, more remarkable than any other in the world," "the oldest of the initiates, receiving their teaching from Central Asia," "teaching perpetuated through an immense space of ages," "constant and unalterable holiness."

(03:53:43) (ron) Some of the outer teaching is preserved in Aramaic text in the Vatican in Rome. Some in Slavic text was found in the possession of the Habsburgs in Austria and said to have been brought out of Asia in the thirteenth century by Nestorian priests fleeing the hordes of Genghis Khan.

(03:54:08) (ron) Echoes of the teaching exist today in many forms, in rituals of the Masons, in the seven-branched candlestick, in the greeting "Peace be with you," used from the time of Moses.

(03:54:29) (ron) From its antiquity, its persistence through the ages, it is evident the teaching could not have been the concept of any individual or any people, but is the interpretation, by a succession of great Teachers, of the Law of the universe, the basic Law, eternal and unchanging as the stars in their courses, the same now as two or ten thousand years ago, and as applicable today as then.

(03:55:04) (ron) The teaching explains the Law, shows how man's deviations from it are the cause of all his troubles, and gives the method by which he can find his way out of his dilemma.

(03:55:33) (ron) Thou hast made known unto me Thy deep, mysterious things. All things exist by Thee and there is none beside Thee. By Thy Law Thou hast directed my heart that I set my steps straight forward upon right paths and walk where Thy presence is.

(03:55:57) (ron) From the Book of Hymns VII of the Dead Sea Scrolls: The Law was planted to reward the children of Light with healing and abundant peace, with long life, with fruitful seed of everlasting blessings, with eternal joy in immortality of eternal Light. "The Manual Of Discipline" of the Dead Sea Scrolls

(03:57:25) (ron) chapter 2 is a long one. so i'll just do some of it for today...and if you want more of this text, i will continue on another day...anyday in the afternoon

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(03:57:52) (ron) Chapter 2: THE ONE LAW

(03:58:08) (ron) The teachings which Moses brought forth at Mount Sinai were practiced fifteen hundred years later by the Essene Brotherhoods in Palestine and Egypt.

(03:58:24) (ron) To understand his teachings is to understand the values the Essene practices have for man today.

(03:58:39) (ron) Moses was the giver of the Law, the One Law. He established the monotheism that was to become not only the fundamental tenet of the Essene Brotherhoods but of all western civilization. The most authoritative information we have about his teaching comes from their Brotherhoods.

(03:59:09) (ron) Their tradition divides his life into three periods symbolic of the experiences in every man's life. In the first period of forty years, during which he lived as a prince of Egypt, he followed the path of tradition, acquiring all the education and knowledge available. He studied the rituals of Isis,

(03:59:33) (ron) Amon-Ra and Osiris, the Precepts of Pta Hotep, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and traditions that came from the East to Egypt, the cultural center of the world at that time. But in all his studying he found no inner dynamism or unifying principle explaining the universe and the problems of life.

(04:00:08) (ron) In the second period of his life he spent forty years in the desert following the path of nature, studying the book of nature, as have many other great geniuses and prophets, including Jesus. In the huge vastnesses of the desert, with their solitude and silence, great inner truths have been brought forth.

(04:00:37) (ron) In this period of his life Moses discovered the One Law, the totality of all laws. He found that this one Law governed all manifestations of life, and it governed the whole universe. To him it was the greatest of all miracles to find that everything operates under one law. Then he came upon the idea of the totality of laws. And this totality he called the Law, spelled with a capital "L."

(04:01:09) (ron) He first observed that man lives in a dynamic, constantly changing universe; plants and animals grow and disappear; moons wax and wane. There is no static point in nature or man. He saw that the Law manifests in perpetual change, and that behind the change is a plan of Cosmic Order on a vast scale.

(04:01:38) (ron) He came to understand that the Law is the greatest and only power in the universe and that all other laws and all things are a part of the one Law. The Law is subject to no other law or laws. It is eternal, indestructible, incapable of defeat. A plant, a tree, a human body or a solar system each has its own laws, mathematical, biological and astronomical. But the one supreme power, the Law, is behind all of them.

(04:02:12) (ron) The Law governs all that takes place in the universe, and all other universes, all activity, all creation, mental or physical. It governs all that exists in physical manifestation, in energy and power, in consciousness, all knowledge, all thought, all feeling, all reality. The Law creates life and it creates thought.

(04:02:37) (ron) The sum total of life on all the planets in the universe was called by the Essenes the cosmic ocean of life. And the sum total of currents of thought in the universe was called the cosmic ocean of thought, or cosmic consciousness in more modern terminology.

(04:02:59) (ron) This cosmic ocean of life and cosmic ocean of thought form a dynamic unity of which man is an inseparable part. Every thinking body of every individual is in constant inner communion with this unity. Every human being is an individualized part of the unity. This unity is the Law, the Eternal Light, of which Moses spoke.

(04:03:34) (ron) Moses saw the Law broken everywhere. Egypt had been built without regard for it. Despite the nation's great military and political might, there was no law of equality. Misery and slavery existed everywhere; rich and poor alike suffered from oppression, epidemics and plagues. He learned that ignorance of the Law, of the laws of nature, was responsible for all evils, and that the rulers and the ruled were equally to blame.

(04:04:06) (Blu) sounds all to familiar

(04:04:16) (ron) It became evident to Moses that everything created as a result of deviation from the Law destroys itself and in time disappears. Only the Law is eternal. The third period of Moses' life, the Exodus, began when he determined to dedicate the remainder of his days to the realization and application of the Law, and to bringing mankind into harmony with it.

(04:04:44) (ron) He recognized the enormity of the task before him in attempting to make both the ignorant masses and the arrogant rulers accept the Law and live in harmony with it. Seemingly insurmountable obstacles confront all world reformers, when pure idea meets the opposing force in the inertia of the human mind and the resistance of entrenched power.

(04:05:11) (ron) It represents a revolution of the dynamic against the static, of higher values against pseudo-values, of freedom against slavery, and it is not limited to one time in history, nor to mankind as a whole, but occurs repeatedly in the life of individual man.

(04:05:34) (ron) When Moses found he could not change the Egyptian rulers or the masses of the people, he turned to the small minority, the enslaved and oppressed people of Israel, hoping to convert them and establish a new nation based wholly on the Law. He is the only figure in universal history that did establish such a nation.

(04:06:07) (ron) Moses saw the universe as a gigantic Cosmic Order in which existed inexhaustible sources of energy, knowledge and harmony at man's disposal. He had always remembered the two legends of his ancestor Jacob who had fought and conquered an angel and later had had a vision of angels ascending and descending upon a ladder connecting heaven and earth.

(04:06:34) (ron) He identified these angels as the forces of nature and the powers of man's consciousness and saw that these forces and powers were the connecting link between man and God. He identified God with the great universal Law.

(04:07:00) (ron) He came to the conclusion that if man is to reach God, he must first become master of all the forces which are manifestations of God, of the Law. He wanted to make his people "strong with the Law," which is the meaning of the word Israel.

(04:07:24) (ron) . And he wanted to create a system of life which would make it possible for them to conquer the angels as their forefather, Jacob, had done. This was the foundation of occult science as it is termed today, of the science of the angels, later recorded as angelology.

(04:07:54) (ron) Moses wanted his followers to realize that they are in constant contact, every moment of their lives and in all points of their being, with all the forces of life and the visible and invisible universe; and if they contact these powers consciously, and become continually conscious of them, they will enjoy perfect health, happiness and harmony in body and mind and every department of their lives.

(04:08:24) (ron) The method of contacting these forces was engraved on the two stone tablets he brought down from Mt. Sinai but destroyed when he found the masses of his people were not ready for the teaching, even as the masses of mankind are not ready for it today and may not be for many generations to come.

(04:08:52) (ron) But to the few who were ready he taught the method given on the tablets, the Communions with the angels, which has been preserved through the ages in the Essene Brotherhoods and can still be practiced by man today.

(04:09:13) (ron) This was a part of the esoteric teaching given by Moses and practiced in the Essene Brotherhoods five centuries preceding the Christian era.

(04:09:32) (ron) In later Essene traditions the abstract idea of the Law was conveyed by the symbol of a tree, called the Tree of Life. Moses had received a great revelation when he saw the burning bush in the desert. This represented two aspects of universal life: warmth and light. The warmth of the fire symbolized the fire of life, vitality in the material world.

(04:10:05) (ron) The light, symbolizing man's consciousness, represented the light of wisdom as opposed to the darkness of ignorance in the immaterial universe. Together they represent the whole universe and the idea that man in the center draws life and vitality from all the forces of the cosmos.

(04:10:33) (ron) The Essenes symbolized this teaching in their Tree of Life which pictured to them in a concrete form that man was a unity of energy, thoughts and emotions and a unit of life force constantly communing with the totality of energies in the universe.

(04:10:57) (ron) Moses wished to see man living in harmony with the laws which govern all these energies inside and outside man, and to become conscious of them and utilize them in every moment of life.

(04:11:24) (ron) In his study of the totality of the Law, Moses attained an intuitive knowledge of the origin of the world and the beginning of all things. It was from this beginning of all things he derived the laws for daily life. He learned that all things are parts of the whole, put together according to law; and the seven elements or basic forces of life appeared in seven great cycles of creation, one element in each cycle.

(04:11:57) (ron) He grouped the days of the week into a corresponding cycle of seven, considering each day to correspond to a different one of the elements. This was symbolized in Essene traditions by the seven-branched candlestick, the candles of which were lit every seventh day, the Sabbath, to remind man of the seven cycles and the seven basic forces of the visible world and the seven basic powers of the invisible world of man's consciousness.

(04:12:34) (ron) The three periods of Moses' life, in which he discovered the Law and its manifestations, represent the three periods into which nearly every man's life can be divided. The first, Egypt, has been called the period of bondage, of the darkness of ignorance, when the free flow of vital energy is obstructed by ignorance and false values. Mankind's Egypt, his slavery, consists in the totality of his deviations from the Law.

(04:13:06) (ron) The second period in Moses' life corresponds to the desert in an individual's life when his false values fall away and he sees nothing but emptiness ahead of him. It is in this period man most urgently needs inner guidance that he may find his way back to the Light, the Law.

(04:13:33) (ron) The third period, the Exodus, is possible for every man. There is always the Light showing the way to the exodus. Man's Egypt of bondage is never eternal. The Exodus under Moses lasted forty years, but it was only a beginning on the path of intuition, the path of learning to live in harmony with the laws of life, of nature and the cosmos. An exodus for humanity can only be accomplished through the cumulative efforts of many people over many generations.

(04:14:30) (ron) But it can be accomplished and it will be accomplished. There is always a Canaan, which is not a mythical utopia, but a living reality. The exodus is the path that leads toward Canaan, the path that Moses trod, the path to which the Essene practices light the way.

(04:14:54) (ron) "I thank Thee, Heavenly Father, because Thou hast put me at a source of running streams, at a living spring in a land Of drought, watering an eternal garden of wonders, the Tree of Life, mystery of mysteries, growing everlasting branches for eternal planting to sink their roots into the stream of life from an eternal source.

(04:15:25) (ron) "And Thou, Heavenly Father, protect their fruits with the angels of the day and of the night and with flames Of eternal Light burning every way." From the "Thanksgiving Psalms" of the Dead Sea Scrolls

(04:15:37) (ron) open chat...that was the end of chapter 2

(04:15:49) (ron) i think that writer is very insightful

(04:15:58) (ron) and a very good writer

(04:15:59) (Blu) very Ron

(04:16:33) (Lynn) ron, that is beauty beckoning enlightenment. Thank you.

(04:16:33) (Blu) we are so blessed

(04:17:12) (Blu) it is amazing what god can do if we moveout of the way and let Him

(04:17:19) (ron) just when you want me to continue with this text again on any afternoon

(04:18:45) (ron) ok open chat...where's the wine?...not whine, the wine

(04:18:51) (Blu) Ron if we are not around and you finish this send it to WIS

(04:18:51) (diane) lol

(04:18:58) (Lynn) lol ron

(04:19:02) (true_eagle_mike) come fill the cup

(04:22:18) (ron) i like the way the writer divided up the life of Moses, or of one's life