Post by WalksInSpirit on Jul 3, 2006 15:17:45 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 07-03-06
(02:27:36) (ron) now, this is material that i'm sharing with you...i am not into the subject deeply at all
(02:27:38) (Blu) Ok Ron
(02:27:56) (ron) AVATAR'S [from Theosophical literature]
(02:28:17) (ron) The doctrine of avatars can be found running like a golden thread through our spiritual consciousness, relating all great faiths to one central source. The whole system of spiritual revelation is based upon a conscious linking and transmission of energy from one aspect of
(02:28:26) (ron) divine manifestation to another — from "God in the Secret Place Most High" to the humblest human being struggling on earth.
(02:29:06) (ron) The appropriate mechanism is always found through which divinity can reach and communicate with humanity. The doctrine of avatars describes this process of communication and the divine Beings who bring it.
(02:29:39) (ron) Through the ages great points of tension have occurred, when chaos and difficulty abound, yet there is contained within a sense of expectancy that an answer will be found. Demand ... Readiness ... Expectation .... When our invocation is consistently strong enough, when those
(02:29:49) (ron) conscious Beings who know are clear enough, we will know an avatar has come. There is no exception to this Universal Law. Towards these Great Beings every mind can be directed, and in doing so, will be affected.
(02:30:28) (ron) AVATAR is the Sanskrit word meaning "coming down from far away." These divine Beings have completely transcended selfhood and separativeness. No longer the dramatic center of their lives as most of us are, they have reached a stage of spiritual decentralization, allowing them to serve as spiritual events in the life of our planet.
(02:30:36) (Blu) I think this is very true
(02:30:56) (Lynn) I am familiar with this
(02:31:08) (ron) Avatars have a self-imitated task, a pre-ordained destiny and a peculiar capacity to transmit energy or divine power. They bring about great changes or major restorations, inaugurating a new idea or restoring "ancient landmarks." To restore they can generate crisis in order to bring an end to an old way that no longer serves, creating space for the new evolving life to emerge. To
(02:31:18) (ron) inaugurate they can strike a note, giving impetus to a new way of being. They can start a whole cycle or future development toward which our focus must be directed so that it may be realized. These Great Beings will lead humanity nearer to the Divine.
(02:31:35) (ron) should be, "self-initiated"
(02:31:57) (Blu) got it
(02:32:03) (Lynn) I thought so
(02:33:01) (ron) Ever down the ages at each human crisis, always in the hours of necessity, at the founding of a new race or in humanity's awakening to a new and wider vision, the Heart of God, impelled by the Law of Compassion, sends forth a Teacher, a World Savior, an Illuminator, an Avatar. They give the message which will heal, indicating the next step to be taken by humanity. They
(02:33:10) (ron) illuminate a dark world problem, providing humanity an expression of an unrealized aspect of divinity. The doctrine of avatars is demonstrated through the fact of the continuity of revelation and upon the progressive manifestation of the divine Messengers, divine Appearances, and inspired Prophets.
(02:34:06) (ron) An Avatar is a Being Who has developed His own nature, human and divine, and then transcended it. An Avatar is capable of reflecting some cosmic Principle, divine quality, or energy which produces a desired effect upon humanity. This needed stimulation evokes a reaction, leading to the rending of a veil and the permeation of light. This energy may be
(02:34:17) (ron) generated within the human family and focused in a responsive Messenger. It may be generated within the planet itself and produce a planetary Avatar. It may be the expression of the life impulse and energy of the solar system, or of sources outside the solar system and therefore
(02:34:59) (ron) cosmic. But it is always focused through a manifesting Entity, called forth by a demand or massed appeal, and evokes response and consequent changes in the life activity, the culture and the civilization.
(02:35:29) (ron) Humanity’s response to the divine Messenger establishes the recognition of something transcendent, indicating a vision to be desired and worked towards. This vision is at first only a possibility, later becoming an achievement. Each revelation brings us nearer to the world of
(02:35:40) (ron) causes. These revelations enrich the spiritual content of the human consciousness and enhance the spiritual life of the race, stimulating humanity to move a step forward into the world of reality and out of the world of illusion.
(02:36:14) (ron) OVERVIEW
(02:36:26) (ron) The Doctrine of the Coming One is linked to the teaching of every great religion. In all of them, the idea of a subjective, spiritual Order, concerned with the developing welfare of humanity, is to be found.
(02:36:52) (ron) The great and satisfying reply to all human questioning and human need is found in the doctrine of avatars, and in the continuity of divine Revelations. This is the persistent belief —
(02:37:13) (ron) ineradicable and unalterable — that at major moments of world need God reveals Himself through Appearances, through a Coming One. This doctrine is found in all the basic world religions, in every time and age; it appears in the doctrine of the avatars of the Hindu faith, in the teaching of the return of Maitreya Buddha or the Kalki Avatar, in the belief in the western world
(02:37:22) (ron) in the return of the Christ and His advent or second coming, and in the prophesied issuing forth of the divine Adventurer of the Muslim world. All this is tied up with the undying belief of humanity in the loving Heart of God, Who ever meets our need. As history reveals, the appearance of humanity’s necessity is always met with a divine Revelation.
(02:38:15) (ron) THE BUDDHA AND THE CHRIST - THE TWO MOST EASILY RECOGNIZED AVATARS
(02:38:17) (Lynn) Kalki Avatar, is that the correct word? Kalki
(02:38:28) (ron) i think it is
(02:38:44) (ron) At the present time, two powerful examples of avatars are the Buddha and the Christ. Their messages are familiar and the fruits of Their lives and words have conditioned the thinking and the civilizations of the world. They are divine-human Avatars, something humanity can easily
(02:38:54) (ron) identify with, "flesh of our flesh and spirit of our spirit." They are known, loved and followed by countless millions.
(02:39:26) (ron) The constant task of an Avatar is the establishing of a spiritually positive nucleus of energy by focusing or anchoring a dynamic truth, a potent thoughtform or a vortex of attractive energy in the three worlds of human living. Consider the potency of the nucleus of force They have set up.
(02:39:59) (ron) As the centuries pass, the truth and effects of Their lives and words begin steadily to condition human thinking. The established thoughtform acts increasingly as a transmitter of divine energy, expressing a divine idea, and in time producing a civilization, with its accompanying culture, religions, policies, governments and educational processes. History is the record of humanity’s cyclic reaction to an Avatar or an inspired Leader's inflowing divine energy.
(02:40:33) (ron) TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF AVATARS
(02:40:46) (ron) At humanity's present point in evolution, avatars are of two kinds as our consciousness is subjected to the control of the pairs of opposites.
(02:41:04) (ron) 1. Those avatars who are the embodiment of the Angel of the Presence, whether that presence is the human soul, the planetary Logos, some extra-planetary Entity, some Cosmic Being, or an Expression of Cosmic Good.
(02:41:30) (ron) 2. Those avatars who are embodiments of the Dweller on the Threshold, whether that Dweller is the human Dweller on the Threshold, planetary Forces of Materialism, or some aspect of cosmic evil.
(02:41:58) (ron) A correspondence to the doctrine of avatars can be seen in the disciple's individual life. When one has achieved right desire and has made a true effort towards correct orientation, then — when the conflict between good and evil is at its height — there comes a moment when the disciple demands more light, more power, more understanding, and liberation to take the next
(02:42:28) (ron) that is interesting
(02:42:41) (ron) forward step. Making this demand with firm intent, standing steady and unafraid, the response will inevitably come from the very Presence itself. Light, love and power will stream forth in recognition of this demand. The conflict is resolved. The Path ahead lies clear. The disciple can move forward with assurance.
(02:43:16) (ron) So it is for humanity. A demand rises to the very gates of Heaven; the massed intent of humanity is that evil must end and a better and truer life become possible. At the moment of greatest tension and of difficulty, the demand goes forth. Response comes. The Avatar appears and light pours in, making the way clear. New hope awakens and fresh determinations are made. Strength
(02:43:32) (ron) to establish right relationships streams through the body of humanity, creating a more spacious life, conditioned by truer values. A fusion becomes possible between the outer world of daily living and the inner world of spiritual realities. A fresh influx of love and light is possible.
(02:44:16) (ron) THE APPARANCE OF AVATARS
(02:44:25) (Blu) wow, this is great info
(02:44:33) (ron) Some 1400 lesser avatars have made constant appearances, being called forth in response to minor crises, to national dilemmas and religious necessity. They have taken the form of those who have successfully championed some truth, right cause, human right or correct human demand. Working actively upon the physical plane, they seldom received recognition for what
(02:45:07) (kazu) What Jesus had done and what Buddha had done is almost the same. what they had done is to free person from extraordinary regularion of religion
(02:45:13) (ron) they truly were; only history, at a later date, laid emphasis upon their achievement. They changed the current of humanity’s thoughts; pointed a way to a better life; and pioneered into new territories of human achievement. Luther, Columbus, Shakespeare and Leonardo da Vinci embodied ideas and made history — not the history of conquest but the history of progress.
(02:45:23) (ron) Recognized as pioneering souls, as leaders of humanity, their lives conditioned events in some field of human endeavor.
(02:45:53) (ron) i'll backup
(02:46:13) (ron) i think i skipped something
(02:46:20) (ron) Some 1400 lesser avatars have made constant appearances, being called forth in response to minor crises, to national dilemmas and religious necessity. They have taken the form of those who have successfully championed some truth, right cause, human right or correct human demand. Working actively upon the physical plane, they seldom received recognition for what
(02:46:35) (ron) they truly were; only history, at a later date, laid emphasis upon their achievement. They changed the current of humanity’s thoughts; pointed a way to a better life; and pioneered into new territories of human achievement. Luther, Columbus, Shakespeare and Leonardo da Vinci
(02:46:55) (ron) embodied ideas and made history — not the history of conquest but the history of progress. Recognized as pioneering souls, as leaders of humanity, their lives conditioned events in some field of human endeavor.
(02:47:21) (ron) THE GREAT AVATARS
(02:47:37) (ron) There are still greater Appearances, Avatars Who come forth from some hidden center and Who "release humanity from crisis." These fall mainly into five groups:
(02:48:01) (ron) 1. Racial Avatars. The genius and destiny of a race evoke these Appearances. The typical being foreshadows in quality and consciousness, and not necessarily physically, the nature of some race. Abraham Lincoln was a racial avatar. Coming from the very soul of a people, he introduced and transmitted a racial quality — a quality that is being worked out as the race unfolds. In
(02:48:12) (ron) contrast, Bismarck came forth from the realm of cosmic evil and was responsible for the focus of materialism upon the planet. Both men came within the same one hundred years, demonstrating the balance in nature and the constant interplay of the pairs of opposites. First ray avatars frequently emerge at the founding of a nation, as is the case with Bismarck and Lincoln.
(02:49:09) (ron) 2. Teaching Avatars. These Appearances sound a new note in the realm of thought and of consciousness, revealing the next needed truth. Teaching avatars provide the words and formulate the truths, casting light on the spiritual development of humanity. Plato, the first
(02:49:19) (ron) Patanjali and Sankaracharya were such Avatars. They are expressions of hierarchical force, emerging from the second ray line of energy, in the department of the Christ.
(02:49:28) (kazu) Bosmarck is evil?
(02:50:54) (ron) from Germany...i'm not sure but i think having a connection with early Germany...before First World War, i think...
(02:51:29) (ron) 3. Ray Avatars. These great Beings, embodying the quality and the force of a particular ray, come at relatively long intervals, when a ray comes into manifestation.
(02:51:51) (ron) 4. Transmitting Avatars. These manifestations of divinity appear at those great cyclic moments of revelation when humanity needs the expression of a new truth or the expansion of an old one in order to progress. These avatars come forward in response to demand. Not as concerned with racial development, They are concerned with the subjective unfoldment of consciousness, and
(02:52:02) (ron) with the stimulation of humanity as a whole. The Buddha and the Christ are outstanding examples of these avatars. They were not only human-divine Avatars, and able to link humanity with the Hierarchy, they were something far greater and more important. They transmitted and
(02:52:46) (ron) brought something from outside the planetary life, from the very Heart of God to the heart of humanity. Having reached the point where they act as Transmitters of certain cosmic principles, They stimulated the deeply hidden and latent corresponding principle in humanity.
(02:53:14) (ron) The Buddha, because He achieved illumination, stimulated the light in the world, in humanity and in all forms. He served the soul of man. The Christ, because of His stupendous achievement along the line of understanding, transmitted to humanity for the first time in human history the Love principle of the Deity, an aspect and a potency of the nature of God Himself. Prior to the
(02:53:50) (ron) Buddha, light, aspiration, and the recognition of God Transcendent had been the flickering expression of the human attitude to God. Then the Buddha came and demonstrated in His Own life the fact of God Immanent as well as God Transcendent; the idea of God in the universe and
(02:53:58) (ron) of God in humanity evolved. The Selfhood of Deity and the Self in the heart of individual became a factor in human consciousness. It was a relatively new truth to be grasped by humanity.
(02:54:56) (ron) Until Christ came there had been very little emphasis upon God as Love in any of the world Scriptures. The Avatar of Love, living a life of love and service, He gave humanity the new commandment to love. God became known as Love supernal, love as the goal and objective of
(02:55:07) (ron) creation, love as the basic principle of relationships, and love working throughout all manifestation towards a plan motivated by love. The divine quality that Christ revealed altered all human expression and human goals.
(02:55:47) (ron) 5. Divine Embodiments. This fifth type of avatar, being greater than the other four, expresses the Will of God, the energy of Shamballa, and the impulse lying behind divine purpose. They have not experienced human life in this world cycle. They appear rarely; and when They do the effectiveness and results of Their work are very great. Only the united voices of the Hierarchy
(02:55:58) (ron) and of humanity can reach these Avatars. Their service is evoked only by realized need, and only after those who call Them forth have added to their faith strenuous action and have done their utmost, alone and unaided, to overcome evil.
(02:56:50) (ron) When this Avatar comes He will convey something for which we have yet no true name. Being neither love nor will as we understand them, the phrase the "principle of directed purpose" feebly conveys something of the significance. This principle involves three factors:
(02:57:16) (ron) 1. Understanding the plan intuitively and instinctually, and intelligently interpreting impressions so the plan can be worked out right now.
(02:57:36) (ron) 2. Focused intention, based on that understanding, emphasizes an aspect of the will yet undeveloped in humanity.
(02:58:00) (ron) 3. A capacity to direct energy, through understanding and intent towards a recognized and desired end, eventually overcoming and destroying all obstacles that stand in the way.
(02:58:19) (ron) Definitions
(02:58:36) (ron) SPIRITUAL: The world of light and beauty, of order and purpose; all manifestations of life are spiritual; the word relates to attitudes, to relationships, to the moving forward from one level of consciousness to the next; related to the power to see the vision; relates to the expansion of
(02:58:46) (ron) consciousness at whatever level; all activity which drives the human being forward towards some form of development — physical, emotional, intuitional, and so forth — is essentially spiritual in nature and is indicative of the livingness of the inner divine Entity.
(02:59:31) (ron) CONSCIOUSNESS: Comes from the two Latin words "con" - with, and "scio" - to know; literally, "that with which we know," the reaction of active intelligence to the pattern.
(03:00:07) (ron) REVELATION: The synthesis of the divine expressive purpose; related to the will-to-good which is, in its turn, a complete expression of the love nature of Deity
(03:00:35) (ron) HUMANITY: That evolution through which the Son or Soul aspect is to express itself most perfectly in this cosmic incarnation; that human Centre whose eternal mission is to bring light to all created lives. In Humanity the pairs of opposites blend and the three fires meet. Humanity is
(03:00:44) (ron) the best expression of the manasic principle, and a sheath for the life of God, as well as the individualized consciousness of the Logos. Humanity is the Prodigal and a great experiment in time and space.
(03:01:42) (ron) manasic principle, i believe here is the mind principle
(03:02:02) (ron) MIND: The mental faculty that attracts, repels, coordinates and produces cohesion. (see Manas)
(03:02:20) (ron) manas and manasic
(03:02:39) (ron) manas = one who thinks
(03:02:52) (Lynn) manasic is of the higher mind body, ron
(03:03:50) (Lynn) we have several bodies, physical, astral, mental, soul
(03:04:00) (ron) the mind in Theosophy is divided into two levels Higher, or Abstract mind and the Lower, or Concrete mind
(03:04:16) (Lynn) ok
(03:04:31) (ron) some will give the line of division as the Intellectual, or rational, logical aspect
(03:04:56) (ron) MONAD: The immortal essence of ourselves which uses the soul to incarnate through, just as the soul incarnates through our personality. The One. The threefold spirit on its own plane. The unified triad of atma, buddhi and manas — Spiritual Will, intuition, and Higher Mind — or the
(03:05:07) (ron) immortal part of the unit which reincarnates in the lower kingdoms and gradually progresses through them to the final goal; dynamic will or purpose remaining unrevealed until after the third
(03:05:53) (ron) initiation; Life, the sustaining force; a Lord of persevering and ceaseless devotion to the pursuit of a seen and determined objective; Human Monads in their seven types are found on the plane of spirit as it is the plane of duality. The deva Monads are also found there.
(03:06:35) (ron) MONADIC CONSCIOUSNESS: The great universal Oneness: Life, the sustaining force — the unified triad of Spiritual Will, intuition, and Higher Mind. Monadic consciousness embodies divine life — purpose and intent, and uses the soul in order to demonstrate through that soul the
(03:06:43) (ron) inherent purpose of deity. Building of the bridge between lower and higher mind is the first step towards achieving monadic consciousness, and thus the first step towards the Way of the Higher Evolution.
(03:07:35) (ron) this bridge is created thru our sincere efforts with meditation and good works
(03:08:07) (ron) ANGEL OF THE PRESENCE: The devic aspect of the "causal body" of a person. The Soul whose nature is love and light and inclusive understanding
(03:09:51) (ron) now, the definition of Causal Body...i've lost the meaning...but its obvious it is dealing with individual cause ...i hope that was a miniscule of help lol
(03:10:06) (Lynn) thank you ron
(03:10:11) (Blu) ;-D
(03:10:14) (ron) SOUL: Neither spirit nor matter but the relation between them. It is the middle or love principle and that which reincarnates in different bodies — the Mediator or Middle Principle; that entity which is brought into being when the spirit aspect and the matter aspect are related to each other; neither spirit nor matter but the relation between them; the link between God and His form;
(03:10:50) (ron) another name for the Christ principle, whether in nature or in man; the form-building aspect; the force of evolution itself. In the world of phenomenal appearance, it is the creating agent, the major building factor, the constructor of forms. Essentially it is light, both literally from the vibratory angle, and philosophically from the angle of constituting the true medium of
(03:11:29) (ron) knowledge; light symbolically, for it is like the rays of the sun, which pour out into the darkness, through the medium of the brain, thus the way of the human being becomes increasingly illumined. Spirit and matter, when brought into a close rapport, necessarily exert an effect upon each other. Matter, so-called, is energized or "lifted up" in the occult sense of the term by its
(03:11:58) (ron) contact with spirit so-called. Spirit, in its turn, is enabled to enhance its vibration through the medium of experience in matter. The bringing together of these two divine aspects results in the emergence of a third, which we call the soul, and through the medium of the soul, spirit develops
(03:12:07) (ron) a sentiency and a conscious awareness and capacity to respond which remains its permanent possession when the divorce between the two comes around eventually and cyclically.
(03:12:49) (ron) pheww....wiping forehead over here
(03:13:06) (ron) LOGOS: "God" in a relative sense. There is a Planetary Logos and a Solar Logos. Logos = word: the creative word (mantram) brings all forms into manifestation, whether it is a solar system or a human being.
(03:13:39) (ron) DWELLER ON THE THRESHOLD: The "shadow" or unredeemed aspect of the personality that is built up over lifetimes — it can assume the shape of a grotesque thoughtform; the sumtotal of forces of the lower nature as expressed in the personality prior to illumination, to inspiration and
(03:13:50) (ron) to initiation; all that the individual is, apart from the higher spiritual self. Humanity today is the Dweller while the Hierarchy of Souls is the Angel and behind the Angel stands the Presence of
(03:14:27) (ron) Divinity Itself, intuited by the Hierarchy and dimly sensed by humanity but providing in this manner the threefold synthesis which is divine manifestation in form. The Soul goes into battle with the Dweller at a critical stage of its evolution, and eventually emerges triumphant. This process may take several lives.
(03:14:47) (ron) EGO: The soul as an individualized unit of consciousness within the greater ocean of consciousness.
(03:15:15) (ron) HIERARCHY: A place of fusion of all souls upon the higher levels of the mental plane; a meeting place of energies; a state of consciousness with the life aspect, Shamballa, at the center and the circle of humanity constituting the emanating factor, the radiatory influence or the aura, whereby the other kingdoms in nature are evoked into responsive activity. Group of spiritual
(03:15:27) (ron) beings on the inner planes of the solar system who are the intelligent forces of nature and who control the evolutionary processes. Divided into 12 Hierarchies. The Occult Hierarchy or Masters of Wisdom, disciples and initiates are a reflection.
(03:16:07) (ron) CHRIST: The World Teacher of humanity and angels alike, head of the Spiritual Hierarchy. The Master of Masters. Embodies of the 2nd or Love aspect of Deity. Known as Maitreya in the East. Set to "reappear" to fulfill His mission started 2000 years ago.
(03:17:49) (ron) the above definition on Christ...i don't know for sure what is being talked about
(03:18:01) (ron) as a principle yes
(02:27:38) (Blu) Ok Ron
(02:27:56) (ron) AVATAR'S [from Theosophical literature]
(02:28:17) (ron) The doctrine of avatars can be found running like a golden thread through our spiritual consciousness, relating all great faiths to one central source. The whole system of spiritual revelation is based upon a conscious linking and transmission of energy from one aspect of
(02:28:26) (ron) divine manifestation to another — from "God in the Secret Place Most High" to the humblest human being struggling on earth.
(02:29:06) (ron) The appropriate mechanism is always found through which divinity can reach and communicate with humanity. The doctrine of avatars describes this process of communication and the divine Beings who bring it.
(02:29:39) (ron) Through the ages great points of tension have occurred, when chaos and difficulty abound, yet there is contained within a sense of expectancy that an answer will be found. Demand ... Readiness ... Expectation .... When our invocation is consistently strong enough, when those
(02:29:49) (ron) conscious Beings who know are clear enough, we will know an avatar has come. There is no exception to this Universal Law. Towards these Great Beings every mind can be directed, and in doing so, will be affected.
(02:30:28) (ron) AVATAR is the Sanskrit word meaning "coming down from far away." These divine Beings have completely transcended selfhood and separativeness. No longer the dramatic center of their lives as most of us are, they have reached a stage of spiritual decentralization, allowing them to serve as spiritual events in the life of our planet.
(02:30:36) (Blu) I think this is very true
(02:30:56) (Lynn) I am familiar with this
(02:31:08) (ron) Avatars have a self-imitated task, a pre-ordained destiny and a peculiar capacity to transmit energy or divine power. They bring about great changes or major restorations, inaugurating a new idea or restoring "ancient landmarks." To restore they can generate crisis in order to bring an end to an old way that no longer serves, creating space for the new evolving life to emerge. To
(02:31:18) (ron) inaugurate they can strike a note, giving impetus to a new way of being. They can start a whole cycle or future development toward which our focus must be directed so that it may be realized. These Great Beings will lead humanity nearer to the Divine.
(02:31:35) (ron) should be, "self-initiated"
(02:31:57) (Blu) got it
(02:32:03) (Lynn) I thought so
(02:33:01) (ron) Ever down the ages at each human crisis, always in the hours of necessity, at the founding of a new race or in humanity's awakening to a new and wider vision, the Heart of God, impelled by the Law of Compassion, sends forth a Teacher, a World Savior, an Illuminator, an Avatar. They give the message which will heal, indicating the next step to be taken by humanity. They
(02:33:10) (ron) illuminate a dark world problem, providing humanity an expression of an unrealized aspect of divinity. The doctrine of avatars is demonstrated through the fact of the continuity of revelation and upon the progressive manifestation of the divine Messengers, divine Appearances, and inspired Prophets.
(02:34:06) (ron) An Avatar is a Being Who has developed His own nature, human and divine, and then transcended it. An Avatar is capable of reflecting some cosmic Principle, divine quality, or energy which produces a desired effect upon humanity. This needed stimulation evokes a reaction, leading to the rending of a veil and the permeation of light. This energy may be
(02:34:17) (ron) generated within the human family and focused in a responsive Messenger. It may be generated within the planet itself and produce a planetary Avatar. It may be the expression of the life impulse and energy of the solar system, or of sources outside the solar system and therefore
(02:34:59) (ron) cosmic. But it is always focused through a manifesting Entity, called forth by a demand or massed appeal, and evokes response and consequent changes in the life activity, the culture and the civilization.
(02:35:29) (ron) Humanity’s response to the divine Messenger establishes the recognition of something transcendent, indicating a vision to be desired and worked towards. This vision is at first only a possibility, later becoming an achievement. Each revelation brings us nearer to the world of
(02:35:40) (ron) causes. These revelations enrich the spiritual content of the human consciousness and enhance the spiritual life of the race, stimulating humanity to move a step forward into the world of reality and out of the world of illusion.
(02:36:14) (ron) OVERVIEW
(02:36:26) (ron) The Doctrine of the Coming One is linked to the teaching of every great religion. In all of them, the idea of a subjective, spiritual Order, concerned with the developing welfare of humanity, is to be found.
(02:36:52) (ron) The great and satisfying reply to all human questioning and human need is found in the doctrine of avatars, and in the continuity of divine Revelations. This is the persistent belief —
(02:37:13) (ron) ineradicable and unalterable — that at major moments of world need God reveals Himself through Appearances, through a Coming One. This doctrine is found in all the basic world religions, in every time and age; it appears in the doctrine of the avatars of the Hindu faith, in the teaching of the return of Maitreya Buddha or the Kalki Avatar, in the belief in the western world
(02:37:22) (ron) in the return of the Christ and His advent or second coming, and in the prophesied issuing forth of the divine Adventurer of the Muslim world. All this is tied up with the undying belief of humanity in the loving Heart of God, Who ever meets our need. As history reveals, the appearance of humanity’s necessity is always met with a divine Revelation.
(02:38:15) (ron) THE BUDDHA AND THE CHRIST - THE TWO MOST EASILY RECOGNIZED AVATARS
(02:38:17) (Lynn) Kalki Avatar, is that the correct word? Kalki
(02:38:28) (ron) i think it is
(02:38:44) (ron) At the present time, two powerful examples of avatars are the Buddha and the Christ. Their messages are familiar and the fruits of Their lives and words have conditioned the thinking and the civilizations of the world. They are divine-human Avatars, something humanity can easily
(02:38:54) (ron) identify with, "flesh of our flesh and spirit of our spirit." They are known, loved and followed by countless millions.
(02:39:26) (ron) The constant task of an Avatar is the establishing of a spiritually positive nucleus of energy by focusing or anchoring a dynamic truth, a potent thoughtform or a vortex of attractive energy in the three worlds of human living. Consider the potency of the nucleus of force They have set up.
(02:39:59) (ron) As the centuries pass, the truth and effects of Their lives and words begin steadily to condition human thinking. The established thoughtform acts increasingly as a transmitter of divine energy, expressing a divine idea, and in time producing a civilization, with its accompanying culture, religions, policies, governments and educational processes. History is the record of humanity’s cyclic reaction to an Avatar or an inspired Leader's inflowing divine energy.
(02:40:33) (ron) TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF AVATARS
(02:40:46) (ron) At humanity's present point in evolution, avatars are of two kinds as our consciousness is subjected to the control of the pairs of opposites.
(02:41:04) (ron) 1. Those avatars who are the embodiment of the Angel of the Presence, whether that presence is the human soul, the planetary Logos, some extra-planetary Entity, some Cosmic Being, or an Expression of Cosmic Good.
(02:41:30) (ron) 2. Those avatars who are embodiments of the Dweller on the Threshold, whether that Dweller is the human Dweller on the Threshold, planetary Forces of Materialism, or some aspect of cosmic evil.
(02:41:58) (ron) A correspondence to the doctrine of avatars can be seen in the disciple's individual life. When one has achieved right desire and has made a true effort towards correct orientation, then — when the conflict between good and evil is at its height — there comes a moment when the disciple demands more light, more power, more understanding, and liberation to take the next
(02:42:28) (ron) that is interesting
(02:42:41) (ron) forward step. Making this demand with firm intent, standing steady and unafraid, the response will inevitably come from the very Presence itself. Light, love and power will stream forth in recognition of this demand. The conflict is resolved. The Path ahead lies clear. The disciple can move forward with assurance.
(02:43:16) (ron) So it is for humanity. A demand rises to the very gates of Heaven; the massed intent of humanity is that evil must end and a better and truer life become possible. At the moment of greatest tension and of difficulty, the demand goes forth. Response comes. The Avatar appears and light pours in, making the way clear. New hope awakens and fresh determinations are made. Strength
(02:43:32) (ron) to establish right relationships streams through the body of humanity, creating a more spacious life, conditioned by truer values. A fusion becomes possible between the outer world of daily living and the inner world of spiritual realities. A fresh influx of love and light is possible.
(02:44:16) (ron) THE APPARANCE OF AVATARS
(02:44:25) (Blu) wow, this is great info
(02:44:33) (ron) Some 1400 lesser avatars have made constant appearances, being called forth in response to minor crises, to national dilemmas and religious necessity. They have taken the form of those who have successfully championed some truth, right cause, human right or correct human demand. Working actively upon the physical plane, they seldom received recognition for what
(02:45:07) (kazu) What Jesus had done and what Buddha had done is almost the same. what they had done is to free person from extraordinary regularion of religion
(02:45:13) (ron) they truly were; only history, at a later date, laid emphasis upon their achievement. They changed the current of humanity’s thoughts; pointed a way to a better life; and pioneered into new territories of human achievement. Luther, Columbus, Shakespeare and Leonardo da Vinci embodied ideas and made history — not the history of conquest but the history of progress.
(02:45:23) (ron) Recognized as pioneering souls, as leaders of humanity, their lives conditioned events in some field of human endeavor.
(02:45:53) (ron) i'll backup
(02:46:13) (ron) i think i skipped something
(02:46:20) (ron) Some 1400 lesser avatars have made constant appearances, being called forth in response to minor crises, to national dilemmas and religious necessity. They have taken the form of those who have successfully championed some truth, right cause, human right or correct human demand. Working actively upon the physical plane, they seldom received recognition for what
(02:46:35) (ron) they truly were; only history, at a later date, laid emphasis upon their achievement. They changed the current of humanity’s thoughts; pointed a way to a better life; and pioneered into new territories of human achievement. Luther, Columbus, Shakespeare and Leonardo da Vinci
(02:46:55) (ron) embodied ideas and made history — not the history of conquest but the history of progress. Recognized as pioneering souls, as leaders of humanity, their lives conditioned events in some field of human endeavor.
(02:47:21) (ron) THE GREAT AVATARS
(02:47:37) (ron) There are still greater Appearances, Avatars Who come forth from some hidden center and Who "release humanity from crisis." These fall mainly into five groups:
(02:48:01) (ron) 1. Racial Avatars. The genius and destiny of a race evoke these Appearances. The typical being foreshadows in quality and consciousness, and not necessarily physically, the nature of some race. Abraham Lincoln was a racial avatar. Coming from the very soul of a people, he introduced and transmitted a racial quality — a quality that is being worked out as the race unfolds. In
(02:48:12) (ron) contrast, Bismarck came forth from the realm of cosmic evil and was responsible for the focus of materialism upon the planet. Both men came within the same one hundred years, demonstrating the balance in nature and the constant interplay of the pairs of opposites. First ray avatars frequently emerge at the founding of a nation, as is the case with Bismarck and Lincoln.
(02:49:09) (ron) 2. Teaching Avatars. These Appearances sound a new note in the realm of thought and of consciousness, revealing the next needed truth. Teaching avatars provide the words and formulate the truths, casting light on the spiritual development of humanity. Plato, the first
(02:49:19) (ron) Patanjali and Sankaracharya were such Avatars. They are expressions of hierarchical force, emerging from the second ray line of energy, in the department of the Christ.
(02:49:28) (kazu) Bosmarck is evil?
(02:50:54) (ron) from Germany...i'm not sure but i think having a connection with early Germany...before First World War, i think...
(02:51:29) (ron) 3. Ray Avatars. These great Beings, embodying the quality and the force of a particular ray, come at relatively long intervals, when a ray comes into manifestation.
(02:51:51) (ron) 4. Transmitting Avatars. These manifestations of divinity appear at those great cyclic moments of revelation when humanity needs the expression of a new truth or the expansion of an old one in order to progress. These avatars come forward in response to demand. Not as concerned with racial development, They are concerned with the subjective unfoldment of consciousness, and
(02:52:02) (ron) with the stimulation of humanity as a whole. The Buddha and the Christ are outstanding examples of these avatars. They were not only human-divine Avatars, and able to link humanity with the Hierarchy, they were something far greater and more important. They transmitted and
(02:52:46) (ron) brought something from outside the planetary life, from the very Heart of God to the heart of humanity. Having reached the point where they act as Transmitters of certain cosmic principles, They stimulated the deeply hidden and latent corresponding principle in humanity.
(02:53:14) (ron) The Buddha, because He achieved illumination, stimulated the light in the world, in humanity and in all forms. He served the soul of man. The Christ, because of His stupendous achievement along the line of understanding, transmitted to humanity for the first time in human history the Love principle of the Deity, an aspect and a potency of the nature of God Himself. Prior to the
(02:53:50) (ron) Buddha, light, aspiration, and the recognition of God Transcendent had been the flickering expression of the human attitude to God. Then the Buddha came and demonstrated in His Own life the fact of God Immanent as well as God Transcendent; the idea of God in the universe and
(02:53:58) (ron) of God in humanity evolved. The Selfhood of Deity and the Self in the heart of individual became a factor in human consciousness. It was a relatively new truth to be grasped by humanity.
(02:54:56) (ron) Until Christ came there had been very little emphasis upon God as Love in any of the world Scriptures. The Avatar of Love, living a life of love and service, He gave humanity the new commandment to love. God became known as Love supernal, love as the goal and objective of
(02:55:07) (ron) creation, love as the basic principle of relationships, and love working throughout all manifestation towards a plan motivated by love. The divine quality that Christ revealed altered all human expression and human goals.
(02:55:47) (ron) 5. Divine Embodiments. This fifth type of avatar, being greater than the other four, expresses the Will of God, the energy of Shamballa, and the impulse lying behind divine purpose. They have not experienced human life in this world cycle. They appear rarely; and when They do the effectiveness and results of Their work are very great. Only the united voices of the Hierarchy
(02:55:58) (ron) and of humanity can reach these Avatars. Their service is evoked only by realized need, and only after those who call Them forth have added to their faith strenuous action and have done their utmost, alone and unaided, to overcome evil.
(02:56:50) (ron) When this Avatar comes He will convey something for which we have yet no true name. Being neither love nor will as we understand them, the phrase the "principle of directed purpose" feebly conveys something of the significance. This principle involves three factors:
(02:57:16) (ron) 1. Understanding the plan intuitively and instinctually, and intelligently interpreting impressions so the plan can be worked out right now.
(02:57:36) (ron) 2. Focused intention, based on that understanding, emphasizes an aspect of the will yet undeveloped in humanity.
(02:58:00) (ron) 3. A capacity to direct energy, through understanding and intent towards a recognized and desired end, eventually overcoming and destroying all obstacles that stand in the way.
(02:58:19) (ron) Definitions
(02:58:36) (ron) SPIRITUAL: The world of light and beauty, of order and purpose; all manifestations of life are spiritual; the word relates to attitudes, to relationships, to the moving forward from one level of consciousness to the next; related to the power to see the vision; relates to the expansion of
(02:58:46) (ron) consciousness at whatever level; all activity which drives the human being forward towards some form of development — physical, emotional, intuitional, and so forth — is essentially spiritual in nature and is indicative of the livingness of the inner divine Entity.
(02:59:31) (ron) CONSCIOUSNESS: Comes from the two Latin words "con" - with, and "scio" - to know; literally, "that with which we know," the reaction of active intelligence to the pattern.
(03:00:07) (ron) REVELATION: The synthesis of the divine expressive purpose; related to the will-to-good which is, in its turn, a complete expression of the love nature of Deity
(03:00:35) (ron) HUMANITY: That evolution through which the Son or Soul aspect is to express itself most perfectly in this cosmic incarnation; that human Centre whose eternal mission is to bring light to all created lives. In Humanity the pairs of opposites blend and the three fires meet. Humanity is
(03:00:44) (ron) the best expression of the manasic principle, and a sheath for the life of God, as well as the individualized consciousness of the Logos. Humanity is the Prodigal and a great experiment in time and space.
(03:01:42) (ron) manasic principle, i believe here is the mind principle
(03:02:02) (ron) MIND: The mental faculty that attracts, repels, coordinates and produces cohesion. (see Manas)
(03:02:20) (ron) manas and manasic
(03:02:39) (ron) manas = one who thinks
(03:02:52) (Lynn) manasic is of the higher mind body, ron
(03:03:50) (Lynn) we have several bodies, physical, astral, mental, soul
(03:04:00) (ron) the mind in Theosophy is divided into two levels Higher, or Abstract mind and the Lower, or Concrete mind
(03:04:16) (Lynn) ok
(03:04:31) (ron) some will give the line of division as the Intellectual, or rational, logical aspect
(03:04:56) (ron) MONAD: The immortal essence of ourselves which uses the soul to incarnate through, just as the soul incarnates through our personality. The One. The threefold spirit on its own plane. The unified triad of atma, buddhi and manas — Spiritual Will, intuition, and Higher Mind — or the
(03:05:07) (ron) immortal part of the unit which reincarnates in the lower kingdoms and gradually progresses through them to the final goal; dynamic will or purpose remaining unrevealed until after the third
(03:05:53) (ron) initiation; Life, the sustaining force; a Lord of persevering and ceaseless devotion to the pursuit of a seen and determined objective; Human Monads in their seven types are found on the plane of spirit as it is the plane of duality. The deva Monads are also found there.
(03:06:35) (ron) MONADIC CONSCIOUSNESS: The great universal Oneness: Life, the sustaining force — the unified triad of Spiritual Will, intuition, and Higher Mind. Monadic consciousness embodies divine life — purpose and intent, and uses the soul in order to demonstrate through that soul the
(03:06:43) (ron) inherent purpose of deity. Building of the bridge between lower and higher mind is the first step towards achieving monadic consciousness, and thus the first step towards the Way of the Higher Evolution.
(03:07:35) (ron) this bridge is created thru our sincere efforts with meditation and good works
(03:08:07) (ron) ANGEL OF THE PRESENCE: The devic aspect of the "causal body" of a person. The Soul whose nature is love and light and inclusive understanding
(03:09:51) (ron) now, the definition of Causal Body...i've lost the meaning...but its obvious it is dealing with individual cause ...i hope that was a miniscule of help lol
(03:10:06) (Lynn) thank you ron
(03:10:11) (Blu) ;-D
(03:10:14) (ron) SOUL: Neither spirit nor matter but the relation between them. It is the middle or love principle and that which reincarnates in different bodies — the Mediator or Middle Principle; that entity which is brought into being when the spirit aspect and the matter aspect are related to each other; neither spirit nor matter but the relation between them; the link between God and His form;
(03:10:50) (ron) another name for the Christ principle, whether in nature or in man; the form-building aspect; the force of evolution itself. In the world of phenomenal appearance, it is the creating agent, the major building factor, the constructor of forms. Essentially it is light, both literally from the vibratory angle, and philosophically from the angle of constituting the true medium of
(03:11:29) (ron) knowledge; light symbolically, for it is like the rays of the sun, which pour out into the darkness, through the medium of the brain, thus the way of the human being becomes increasingly illumined. Spirit and matter, when brought into a close rapport, necessarily exert an effect upon each other. Matter, so-called, is energized or "lifted up" in the occult sense of the term by its
(03:11:58) (ron) contact with spirit so-called. Spirit, in its turn, is enabled to enhance its vibration through the medium of experience in matter. The bringing together of these two divine aspects results in the emergence of a third, which we call the soul, and through the medium of the soul, spirit develops
(03:12:07) (ron) a sentiency and a conscious awareness and capacity to respond which remains its permanent possession when the divorce between the two comes around eventually and cyclically.
(03:12:49) (ron) pheww....wiping forehead over here
(03:13:06) (ron) LOGOS: "God" in a relative sense. There is a Planetary Logos and a Solar Logos. Logos = word: the creative word (mantram) brings all forms into manifestation, whether it is a solar system or a human being.
(03:13:39) (ron) DWELLER ON THE THRESHOLD: The "shadow" or unredeemed aspect of the personality that is built up over lifetimes — it can assume the shape of a grotesque thoughtform; the sumtotal of forces of the lower nature as expressed in the personality prior to illumination, to inspiration and
(03:13:50) (ron) to initiation; all that the individual is, apart from the higher spiritual self. Humanity today is the Dweller while the Hierarchy of Souls is the Angel and behind the Angel stands the Presence of
(03:14:27) (ron) Divinity Itself, intuited by the Hierarchy and dimly sensed by humanity but providing in this manner the threefold synthesis which is divine manifestation in form. The Soul goes into battle with the Dweller at a critical stage of its evolution, and eventually emerges triumphant. This process may take several lives.
(03:14:47) (ron) EGO: The soul as an individualized unit of consciousness within the greater ocean of consciousness.
(03:15:15) (ron) HIERARCHY: A place of fusion of all souls upon the higher levels of the mental plane; a meeting place of energies; a state of consciousness with the life aspect, Shamballa, at the center and the circle of humanity constituting the emanating factor, the radiatory influence or the aura, whereby the other kingdoms in nature are evoked into responsive activity. Group of spiritual
(03:15:27) (ron) beings on the inner planes of the solar system who are the intelligent forces of nature and who control the evolutionary processes. Divided into 12 Hierarchies. The Occult Hierarchy or Masters of Wisdom, disciples and initiates are a reflection.
(03:16:07) (ron) CHRIST: The World Teacher of humanity and angels alike, head of the Spiritual Hierarchy. The Master of Masters. Embodies of the 2nd or Love aspect of Deity. Known as Maitreya in the East. Set to "reappear" to fulfill His mission started 2000 years ago.
(03:17:49) (ron) the above definition on Christ...i don't know for sure what is being talked about
(03:18:01) (ron) as a principle yes
