Post by WalksInSpirit on Jun 12, 2006 14:34:16 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 06-12-06
(02:17:32) (ron) A DIFFERENT KIND OF CYCLE
(02:17:55) (ron) The quotation from this reading speaks for itself:
(02:18:21) (ron) ...we find in this particular entity, and oft, ones that enter an experience as a complete cycle, that is, upon the same period under the same astrological experiences as in the sojourn just before (that is, being born upon the same day of month - though time may
(02:18:30) (ron) have been altered); find periods of activity that will be very much the same as those manifested in the previous sojourn, in the unfoldment and in the urges latent and manifested.
(02:19:51) (ron) Psychology, philosophy, reasoning, dramatic art, the dramatic critic - these will be the character and the temperament that [are to be dealt with [in this entity. For, in the appearance before this, the entity entered as Jean Poquelin, known as Moliere, the great French dramatist... [Author's italics] 2814-1
(02:20:36) (ron) Moliere was born January 15, 1622. This individual was born January 15, 1942.
(02:21:25) (ron) We have a few other examples of such cycles. This person was born on October 2, 1940, and the reading stated:
(02:21:49) (ron) Nickname the entity Franz...and there will be seen why...Before this, the entity was in the Austrian or Hungarian land. There the entity was an unusual individual, in the name Liszt; being a composer as well as a musician. And as its activities through the experience were such as to make for certain characters of music, these in part will be of special
(02:21:58) (ron) interest to the entity in the present. The comparison may be easily seen...as to the faults, the failures, as well as the activities in which the entity then...rose to its place or position in the musical world.
(02:22:45) (ron) That is why, then, the nickname Franz is suggested; for the entity was Franz Liszt. 2584-1No accurate birth time was given, and there was no mention of planets. Musician Franz Liszt was born on October 22, 1811.
(02:23:14) (ron) thus, October 22nd twice
(02:23:32) (ron) Patrick Henry was born on May 29, 1736; and this man, whose birth date was May 27, 1940, was described as Patrick Henry in the life just prior. We have the accurate birth time for [2294J, as well as planets. He entered from Saturn.
(02:24:06) (ron) From the astrological aspects we find the influences indicating the energetic activity of the mind as well as of the body.
(02:24:33) (ron) Also there are the tendencies for extravagance, which should be curbed...through the early periods of its activity; for these will be a part of the inclinations, not only because of the Gemini influence but also the Saturn, Mercury, Jupiter, Mars and Venus influences. As these planets were strong influences in the earth through the developing periods
(02:24:44) (ron) of...gestation, they will in the early portion of the life manifest the greater influence. Hence we find one that will...show a general energetic activity...Not that there will not be affection, not that there will not be...preferences; but the very nature of the Gemini influence makes for the sudden changes of preferences, and the demonstrations in which there will be seen the influences of these... 2294-1
(02:26:42) (ron) anyone heard of gestation influences?...known as PreNatal Astrology...i had an interest but did not find a proper approach, or system to interpret...others had their own views and opinions
(02:26:51) (diane) during the developing periods of gestation?
(02:26:56) (ron) yes
(02:27:01) (Blu) I haven't Ron
(02:27:03) (diane) Never !
(02:27:09) (Lynn) no
(02:27:36) (ron) it is based upon the symbolic time and date of gestation
(02:28:17) (diane) Well...Wow. Just to simplify matters. lol
(02:28:38) (Lynn) I wonder how that can be accurately determined.
(02:29:01) (diane) easier now than in ancient times
(02:29:37) (ron) there is a math process based upon the Moon...i can't go into that...is somewhat complicated...and besides that i don't remember the process...it is not that hard to do...not as bad as the instruction on paper seem to indicate
(02:29:58) (Blu) if it's math it's hard for me!
(02:30:18) (Lynn) ok
(02:30:31) (diane) the moon...that would make sense..stages of pregnancy
(02:32:08) (ron) yes...but remember is i said "symbolic" which means it is a mathematical result...not exactly as to the actual time and date...but is pretty close...the actual conception time may be difficult cause it can, i believe, take up to 4 hours
(02:32:44) (ron) i'll continue now
(02:33:36) (ron) Beside each planet in the chart, we have indicated the order of mention, putting Saturn first, of course, as in the reading. The reading continued that the entity would have the ability to argue out everything; hence there should always be given the reason why, in its training. As an orator the entity may be found to excel, as in its former experience; but
(02:34:07) (ron) this...will necessitate...training in those directions. For, as the awareness arises...we will find the entity inclined to shut self away at times, and at others to be overactive in giving expressions...For, in the developing years, there will be the tendency to seek liberty for its own self at any cost; and there should be given the whys, the causes, and the expression
(02:34:11) (diane) entity sounds like my g-daughter..lol
(02:34:19) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Diane
(02:34:42) (ron) of the abilities that are reached through the Mercurian high mental experience, as well as the benevolent influences through the Uranian sojourn - so as to bring more and more the abilities to express for the universality of the activities...Hence the entity should be trained in international law... 2294-1
(02:35:06) (diane) really, i'm afraid to watch her. she disappears in a crowd the minute you let go of her
(02:35:14) (ron) hence, there is that Saturn's need to express those continued "loyalty
(02:35:37) (ron) faithful to its cause to the very end
(02:36:11) (Blu) That's what they make rope for Diane! ;-D
(02:36:37) (ron) Notice from this chart that the number one planet, Saturn, is not the one closest to the zenith, or midheaven; nor to the ascendant. All the influential planets are on the left-hand side of the chart, or the rising side, or coming to ascendancy. The 12th house (just above
(02:36:39) (diane) she'd just sit and scream till rope came off. lol
(02:36:47) (Roz) good plan
(02:36:49) (ron) the ascendant) is generally ignored as, an important rising house by astrologers; yet in this chart, Mercury, the second most important planet, is just above the ascendant, in the 12th house.
(02:38:57) (Lynn) that´s interesting, ron
(02:39:10) (Roz) as a example of
(02:39:11) (ron) so, is there a method in determining the planet one last took flight from before entering the earth plane? ...seems to be the Rising position and less of of the Zenith position...and yet zenith and rising can mean the same thing...since the rising sign indicates what is rising (sign and planet(s) at the time of one's birth
(02:39:59) (Lynn) I don´t understand, ron.
(02:40:14) (Lynn) How can zenith and rising mean the same thing. Help me understand?
(02:40:35) (ron) rising at one's birth, i mean the sign and planets that are on the eastern horizon at the time and date of birth...that is what Rising sign and planets means...just to clarify
(02:40:50) (Lynn) ok
(02:41:49) (Roz) thanks ron
(02:42:36) (ron) what the writer is suggesting that the terms zenith and rising could be interchangeble here in the readings...a generalization...like the readings at times will generalize the terms spirit and soul...while technically there are two different meanings
(02:42:54) (Lynn) ty
(02:43:18) (Lynn) I get it.
(02:43:30) (ron) the ascendant) is generally ignored as, an important rising house by astrologers; yet in this chart, Mercury, the second most important planet, is just above the ascendant, in the 12th house.
(02:44:18) (ron) one moment i must back up
(02:44:30) (ron) Notice from this chart that the number one planet, Saturn, is not the one closest to the zenith, or midheaven; nor to the ascendant. All the influential planets are on the left-hand side of the chart, or the rising side, or coming to ascendancy. The 12th house (just above
(02:44:39) (ron) the ascendant) is generally ignored as, an important rising house by astrologers; yet in this chart, Mercury, the second most important planet, is just above the ascendant, in the 12th house.
(02:46:36) (ron) the Cadent houses are considered to be much of what is going on behind-the-scenes...a preparation process that would someday manifest thru the Angular houses
(02:47:15) (ron) they attribute that process to be a mental process, development
(02:47:35) (ron) This person, [2294], is not described as a Sun-in-Gemini type of person; however, Gemini influences him, presumably because Mercury (ruler of Gemini) is in Gemini and very close to the ascendant. Also presumably, the life just before this was ruled by Mercury primarily, and the reading says this was a "Mercurian high mental experience."
(02:47:46) (ron) This could, of course, mean in the environs of Mercury also. We do know that progress or soul evolution is made by application of lessons learned in planetary sojourns to the problems of earth life.
(02:48:49) (ron) SUMMARY
(02:49:07) (ron) The text of this booklet contains only a small portion of the nearly 2,000 life readings that Edgar Cayce gave during his lifetime. The author has not attempted a complete survey of all the astrological references in the A.R.E. Library. What pertinent items still lie
(02:49:31) (ron) uncovered is a matter of deep interest to many of those concerned with astrology and the continuing work of the Association. Certainly a vast amount of material is available for further research and interpretation.
(02:49:56) (ron) this was researched before there were computers available
(02:50:17) (ron) In closing, let the following reading (given February 14, 1924) continue the theme of universal soul forces, with planetary influences playing their usual accompanying role:
(02:50:37) (ron) (Q) What are the laws governing relativity of all force?
(02:50:54) (ron) (A) In giving the manifestation of such law, which does exist, we first must consider that that is called force, and that force then in its relation, or the relativity of that force to all force.
(02:51:18) (ron) There are, as were set in the beginning, as far as the concern is of this physical earth plane, those rules or laws in the relative force of those that govern the earth, and the beings of the earth plane, and also that same law governs the planets, stars, constellations,
(02:51:50) (ron) groups, that that constitutes the sphere, the space, in which the planet moves. These are of the one force, and we see the manifestation of the relation of one force with another in the many various phases as is shown, for in fact that which to the human mind exists, in fact does not exist, for it has been in past before it is to the human mind in existence.
(02:52:37) (ron) In this, we see the law of the relations of conditions, space or time and its relation to human mind, as is capable of obtaining information upon the earth plane from a normal force or conditions. Hence, we bring the same word, relativity of force, to prove its own self, and condition, for we have as in this:
(02:53:41) (ron) The earth in its motion, held in space by that force of attraction, or detraction, or gravitation, or lack of gravitation in its force, so those things that do appear to have reality, and their reality to the human mind, have in reality passed into past conditions before they have reached the mind, for with the earth's laws, and its relations to other
(02:54:13) (ron) like what is said when we have a dream
(02:54:27) (ron) spheres, has to man become a past condition. So it is reached only in the further forces as will show, and as is given, for man to understand in this developing, or this evolution from here to sphere, or from plane to plane, in this condition.
(02:55:03) (ron) Hence, we find to the normal mind, there is no law as to relativity of force, save as the individual may apply same in the individual's needs of them. That is sufficient. Then in. a later paragraph the reading offered further insight and guidance to gaining of awareness in relationship with these universal forces.
(02:55:28) (ron) END
(02:55:48) (diane) thanks ron
(02:55:54) (Roz) Thanks Ron you do such a good job
(02:56:02) (ron) take a break?...start something new if you wish
(02:56:21) (ron) thanks roz...i appreciate your nice compliment
(02:56:27) (Lynn) thank you, ron. Very intriguing.
(02:56:38) (Roz) so good to see everyone Thanks for the prayers they have sustained me
(02:56:41) (Lynn) did I spell that correctly? lol
(02:56:45) (ron) thanks lynn
(02:57:05) (diane) yep Lynn. lol
(02:57:28) (ron) others are doing something else
(02:57:58) (diane) i'm thinking...the last part, about the relativity of force
(02:58:00) (ron) glad you stopped by lynn...did you find anything new and interesting?
(02:58:09) (Lynn) yes, interesting
(02:58:25) (Lynn) The above seems to say that there are forces and interrelations of
(02:58:27) (ron) lynn. want me to backup on anything?...its quite alright
(02:58:41) (diane) in the normal mind, there is non, save as the individual needs them
(02:58:44) (Lynn) forces but we have the free will to apply as we choose. Am I correct?
(02:59:11) (diane) that's a good interpretation, Lynn
(02:59:28) (diane) back-up ron...last 2 posts
(02:59:37) (Lynn) May I make a joking answer, ron, or is that inadviseable with Capricorn?
(02:59:39) (ron) so. if what we become aware of in our conscious minds has already past - right?...if so what do we have to deal with when we make choices?
(03:00:07) (Lynn) Well, I have to deal with me, my goals, my purposes,
(03:00:10) (diane) the present time
(03:00:15) (ron) you mean the SUMMARY?
(03:00:43) (diane) last part of Summary
(03:00:49) (Lynn) It sounds a little like an angel on one shoulder a devil on the other shoulder.
(03:01:03) (Lynn) Your choice which influence to follow.
(03:01:13) (Lynn) Or make a different choice entirely.
(03:01:13) (ron) i put that together wrong...what do we have to use regarding the upcoming choices?...does that make any sense?
(03:01:16) (diane) basically, yes
(03:01:33) (ron) i am referring to the WILL
(03:01:42) (diane) There ya go!
(03:01:43) (Lynn) ok
(03:01:54) (Lynn) what is the difference between will and choice except for spelling.
(03:02:14) (ron) we have the choice on how we are going to react to something we have already created
(03:02:29) (diane) maybe that will is exerted before choice can be made?
(03:02:33) (Lynn) I agree.
(03:02:48) (ron) so does that indicate the our response to experience is wholly a subjective event?
(03:03:09) (Lynn) This is as in past programming. Childhod etc. But it is our choice as to whether we follow psychological influences alrady incorporated.
(03:03:27) (Lynn) ought oh , the spelling!
(03:03:51) (ron) we are living in a world of limitations...that is the meaning of the 3rd dimensional life
(03:04:05) (diane) lol Lynn..spelling's fine
(03:04:20) (diane) ok ron
(03:04:47) (diane) that's the physical world...it's limited. or we're limited by it
(03:05:05) (Lynn) The physical world is composed of group agreement.
(03:05:14) (Lynn) That´s why its hard? We are individuals.
(03:05:14) (ron) by our own psychological and physical limitations by our own making
(03:05:41) (Lynn) and decision is what we use to make those psychological decisions.
(03:05:45) (Lynn) least ways I do
(03:05:53) (ron) as well as the spiritual ideals, or standars we have already set for ourselves...right?
(03:06:17) (Lynn) correct. which can be changed
(03:06:20) (diane) yes
(03:06:29) (diane) yes again
(03:06:32) (ron) and if we fall below those standards we get dreams reprimanding us
(03:07:07) (Lynn) My dreams are nice to me. They do not reprimand. People reprimand.. pout
(03:07:15) (diane) dream? I just go on an old fashioned guilt trip
(03:07:21) (ron) right lynn...by our Will
(03:07:30) (ron) lol diane
(03:07:54) (diane) waking dream...wearing my cloak of guilt
(03:07:59) (ron) yes diane...same thing soul criticzes us thru conscience lol
(03:08:22) (Lynn) Toss it down at the cross, diane. The blood will steam that thing into vanishment. lol
(03:08:26) (diane) devil vs angel thing, again
(03:08:28) (ron) but i am sure the both of you know all of this :)(03:08:38) (diane) I'm working on it Lynn
(03:08:42) (Lynn) Sometimes, we need a reminder, ron.
(03:08:58) (Lynn) Don´t work on it. Toss the dang thing at the bottom of the cross. LOL
(03:09:06) (Lynn) visualize it and walk away
(03:09:12) (ron) i have to brush in typing out my thoughts and ideas :)
(03:09:25) (diane) let me go get that crucifix languishing in the trunk
(03:09:29) (Lynn) ron, this was an excellent class.
(03:09:52) (ron) thanks lynn...glad you stopped by
(03:10:03) (diane) yes...and fascinating to see how astrology used in the readings
(03:10:21) (Lynn) ron, If I said how I feel about you, you would defend yourself by saying I flatter.
(03:10:23) (ron) do you still want me to start the SUMMARY again?
(03:10:29) (diane) and mind boggling...EC astounds me
(03:10:31) (Lynn) So I will happily respect Capricorn.
(03:10:43) (diane) no thanks...think we hashed it out ron
(03:10:47) (WalksInSpirit) I second that. Excellant class, as usual, Ron!
(03:10:50) (Lynn) I got it
(03:10:59) (ron) ok...something new next week
(02:17:55) (ron) The quotation from this reading speaks for itself:
(02:18:21) (ron) ...we find in this particular entity, and oft, ones that enter an experience as a complete cycle, that is, upon the same period under the same astrological experiences as in the sojourn just before (that is, being born upon the same day of month - though time may
(02:18:30) (ron) have been altered); find periods of activity that will be very much the same as those manifested in the previous sojourn, in the unfoldment and in the urges latent and manifested.
(02:19:51) (ron) Psychology, philosophy, reasoning, dramatic art, the dramatic critic - these will be the character and the temperament that [are to be dealt with [in this entity. For, in the appearance before this, the entity entered as Jean Poquelin, known as Moliere, the great French dramatist... [Author's italics] 2814-1
(02:20:36) (ron) Moliere was born January 15, 1622. This individual was born January 15, 1942.
(02:21:25) (ron) We have a few other examples of such cycles. This person was born on October 2, 1940, and the reading stated:
(02:21:49) (ron) Nickname the entity Franz...and there will be seen why...Before this, the entity was in the Austrian or Hungarian land. There the entity was an unusual individual, in the name Liszt; being a composer as well as a musician. And as its activities through the experience were such as to make for certain characters of music, these in part will be of special
(02:21:58) (ron) interest to the entity in the present. The comparison may be easily seen...as to the faults, the failures, as well as the activities in which the entity then...rose to its place or position in the musical world.
(02:22:45) (ron) That is why, then, the nickname Franz is suggested; for the entity was Franz Liszt. 2584-1No accurate birth time was given, and there was no mention of planets. Musician Franz Liszt was born on October 22, 1811.
(02:23:14) (ron) thus, October 22nd twice
(02:23:32) (ron) Patrick Henry was born on May 29, 1736; and this man, whose birth date was May 27, 1940, was described as Patrick Henry in the life just prior. We have the accurate birth time for [2294J, as well as planets. He entered from Saturn.
(02:24:06) (ron) From the astrological aspects we find the influences indicating the energetic activity of the mind as well as of the body.
(02:24:33) (ron) Also there are the tendencies for extravagance, which should be curbed...through the early periods of its activity; for these will be a part of the inclinations, not only because of the Gemini influence but also the Saturn, Mercury, Jupiter, Mars and Venus influences. As these planets were strong influences in the earth through the developing periods
(02:24:44) (ron) of...gestation, they will in the early portion of the life manifest the greater influence. Hence we find one that will...show a general energetic activity...Not that there will not be affection, not that there will not be...preferences; but the very nature of the Gemini influence makes for the sudden changes of preferences, and the demonstrations in which there will be seen the influences of these... 2294-1
(02:26:42) (ron) anyone heard of gestation influences?...known as PreNatal Astrology...i had an interest but did not find a proper approach, or system to interpret...others had their own views and opinions
(02:26:51) (diane) during the developing periods of gestation?
(02:26:56) (ron) yes
(02:27:01) (Blu) I haven't Ron
(02:27:03) (diane) Never !
(02:27:09) (Lynn) no
(02:27:36) (ron) it is based upon the symbolic time and date of gestation
(02:28:17) (diane) Well...Wow. Just to simplify matters. lol
(02:28:38) (Lynn) I wonder how that can be accurately determined.
(02:29:01) (diane) easier now than in ancient times
(02:29:37) (ron) there is a math process based upon the Moon...i can't go into that...is somewhat complicated...and besides that i don't remember the process...it is not that hard to do...not as bad as the instruction on paper seem to indicate
(02:29:58) (Blu) if it's math it's hard for me!
(02:30:18) (Lynn) ok
(02:30:31) (diane) the moon...that would make sense..stages of pregnancy
(02:32:08) (ron) yes...but remember is i said "symbolic" which means it is a mathematical result...not exactly as to the actual time and date...but is pretty close...the actual conception time may be difficult cause it can, i believe, take up to 4 hours
(02:32:44) (ron) i'll continue now
(02:33:36) (ron) Beside each planet in the chart, we have indicated the order of mention, putting Saturn first, of course, as in the reading. The reading continued that the entity would have the ability to argue out everything; hence there should always be given the reason why, in its training. As an orator the entity may be found to excel, as in its former experience; but
(02:34:07) (ron) this...will necessitate...training in those directions. For, as the awareness arises...we will find the entity inclined to shut self away at times, and at others to be overactive in giving expressions...For, in the developing years, there will be the tendency to seek liberty for its own self at any cost; and there should be given the whys, the causes, and the expression
(02:34:11) (diane) entity sounds like my g-daughter..lol
(02:34:19) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Diane
(02:34:42) (ron) of the abilities that are reached through the Mercurian high mental experience, as well as the benevolent influences through the Uranian sojourn - so as to bring more and more the abilities to express for the universality of the activities...Hence the entity should be trained in international law... 2294-1
(02:35:06) (diane) really, i'm afraid to watch her. she disappears in a crowd the minute you let go of her
(02:35:14) (ron) hence, there is that Saturn's need to express those continued "loyalty
(02:35:37) (ron) faithful to its cause to the very end
(02:36:11) (Blu) That's what they make rope for Diane! ;-D
(02:36:37) (ron) Notice from this chart that the number one planet, Saturn, is not the one closest to the zenith, or midheaven; nor to the ascendant. All the influential planets are on the left-hand side of the chart, or the rising side, or coming to ascendancy. The 12th house (just above
(02:36:39) (diane) she'd just sit and scream till rope came off. lol
(02:36:47) (Roz) good plan
(02:36:49) (ron) the ascendant) is generally ignored as, an important rising house by astrologers; yet in this chart, Mercury, the second most important planet, is just above the ascendant, in the 12th house.
(02:38:57) (Lynn) that´s interesting, ron
(02:39:10) (Roz) as a example of
(02:39:11) (ron) so, is there a method in determining the planet one last took flight from before entering the earth plane? ...seems to be the Rising position and less of of the Zenith position...and yet zenith and rising can mean the same thing...since the rising sign indicates what is rising (sign and planet(s) at the time of one's birth
(02:39:59) (Lynn) I don´t understand, ron.
(02:40:14) (Lynn) How can zenith and rising mean the same thing. Help me understand?
(02:40:35) (ron) rising at one's birth, i mean the sign and planets that are on the eastern horizon at the time and date of birth...that is what Rising sign and planets means...just to clarify
(02:40:50) (Lynn) ok
(02:41:49) (Roz) thanks ron
(02:42:36) (ron) what the writer is suggesting that the terms zenith and rising could be interchangeble here in the readings...a generalization...like the readings at times will generalize the terms spirit and soul...while technically there are two different meanings
(02:42:54) (Lynn) ty
(02:43:18) (Lynn) I get it.
(02:43:30) (ron) the ascendant) is generally ignored as, an important rising house by astrologers; yet in this chart, Mercury, the second most important planet, is just above the ascendant, in the 12th house.
(02:44:18) (ron) one moment i must back up
(02:44:30) (ron) Notice from this chart that the number one planet, Saturn, is not the one closest to the zenith, or midheaven; nor to the ascendant. All the influential planets are on the left-hand side of the chart, or the rising side, or coming to ascendancy. The 12th house (just above
(02:44:39) (ron) the ascendant) is generally ignored as, an important rising house by astrologers; yet in this chart, Mercury, the second most important planet, is just above the ascendant, in the 12th house.
(02:46:36) (ron) the Cadent houses are considered to be much of what is going on behind-the-scenes...a preparation process that would someday manifest thru the Angular houses
(02:47:15) (ron) they attribute that process to be a mental process, development
(02:47:35) (ron) This person, [2294], is not described as a Sun-in-Gemini type of person; however, Gemini influences him, presumably because Mercury (ruler of Gemini) is in Gemini and very close to the ascendant. Also presumably, the life just before this was ruled by Mercury primarily, and the reading says this was a "Mercurian high mental experience."
(02:47:46) (ron) This could, of course, mean in the environs of Mercury also. We do know that progress or soul evolution is made by application of lessons learned in planetary sojourns to the problems of earth life.
(02:48:49) (ron) SUMMARY
(02:49:07) (ron) The text of this booklet contains only a small portion of the nearly 2,000 life readings that Edgar Cayce gave during his lifetime. The author has not attempted a complete survey of all the astrological references in the A.R.E. Library. What pertinent items still lie
(02:49:31) (ron) uncovered is a matter of deep interest to many of those concerned with astrology and the continuing work of the Association. Certainly a vast amount of material is available for further research and interpretation.
(02:49:56) (ron) this was researched before there were computers available
(02:50:17) (ron) In closing, let the following reading (given February 14, 1924) continue the theme of universal soul forces, with planetary influences playing their usual accompanying role:
(02:50:37) (ron) (Q) What are the laws governing relativity of all force?
(02:50:54) (ron) (A) In giving the manifestation of such law, which does exist, we first must consider that that is called force, and that force then in its relation, or the relativity of that force to all force.
(02:51:18) (ron) There are, as were set in the beginning, as far as the concern is of this physical earth plane, those rules or laws in the relative force of those that govern the earth, and the beings of the earth plane, and also that same law governs the planets, stars, constellations,
(02:51:50) (ron) groups, that that constitutes the sphere, the space, in which the planet moves. These are of the one force, and we see the manifestation of the relation of one force with another in the many various phases as is shown, for in fact that which to the human mind exists, in fact does not exist, for it has been in past before it is to the human mind in existence.
(02:52:37) (ron) In this, we see the law of the relations of conditions, space or time and its relation to human mind, as is capable of obtaining information upon the earth plane from a normal force or conditions. Hence, we bring the same word, relativity of force, to prove its own self, and condition, for we have as in this:
(02:53:41) (ron) The earth in its motion, held in space by that force of attraction, or detraction, or gravitation, or lack of gravitation in its force, so those things that do appear to have reality, and their reality to the human mind, have in reality passed into past conditions before they have reached the mind, for with the earth's laws, and its relations to other
(02:54:13) (ron) like what is said when we have a dream
(02:54:27) (ron) spheres, has to man become a past condition. So it is reached only in the further forces as will show, and as is given, for man to understand in this developing, or this evolution from here to sphere, or from plane to plane, in this condition.
(02:55:03) (ron) Hence, we find to the normal mind, there is no law as to relativity of force, save as the individual may apply same in the individual's needs of them. That is sufficient. Then in. a later paragraph the reading offered further insight and guidance to gaining of awareness in relationship with these universal forces.
(02:55:28) (ron) END
(02:55:48) (diane) thanks ron
(02:55:54) (Roz) Thanks Ron you do such a good job
(02:56:02) (ron) take a break?...start something new if you wish
(02:56:21) (ron) thanks roz...i appreciate your nice compliment
(02:56:27) (Lynn) thank you, ron. Very intriguing.
(02:56:38) (Roz) so good to see everyone Thanks for the prayers they have sustained me
(02:56:41) (Lynn) did I spell that correctly? lol
(02:56:45) (ron) thanks lynn
(02:57:05) (diane) yep Lynn. lol
(02:57:28) (ron) others are doing something else
(02:57:58) (diane) i'm thinking...the last part, about the relativity of force
(02:58:00) (ron) glad you stopped by lynn...did you find anything new and interesting?
(02:58:09) (Lynn) yes, interesting
(02:58:25) (Lynn) The above seems to say that there are forces and interrelations of
(02:58:27) (ron) lynn. want me to backup on anything?...its quite alright
(02:58:41) (diane) in the normal mind, there is non, save as the individual needs them
(02:58:44) (Lynn) forces but we have the free will to apply as we choose. Am I correct?
(02:59:11) (diane) that's a good interpretation, Lynn
(02:59:28) (diane) back-up ron...last 2 posts
(02:59:37) (Lynn) May I make a joking answer, ron, or is that inadviseable with Capricorn?
(02:59:39) (ron) so. if what we become aware of in our conscious minds has already past - right?...if so what do we have to deal with when we make choices?
(03:00:07) (Lynn) Well, I have to deal with me, my goals, my purposes,
(03:00:10) (diane) the present time
(03:00:15) (ron) you mean the SUMMARY?
(03:00:43) (diane) last part of Summary
(03:00:49) (Lynn) It sounds a little like an angel on one shoulder a devil on the other shoulder.
(03:01:03) (Lynn) Your choice which influence to follow.
(03:01:13) (Lynn) Or make a different choice entirely.
(03:01:13) (ron) i put that together wrong...what do we have to use regarding the upcoming choices?...does that make any sense?
(03:01:16) (diane) basically, yes
(03:01:33) (ron) i am referring to the WILL
(03:01:42) (diane) There ya go!
(03:01:43) (Lynn) ok
(03:01:54) (Lynn) what is the difference between will and choice except for spelling.
(03:02:14) (ron) we have the choice on how we are going to react to something we have already created
(03:02:29) (diane) maybe that will is exerted before choice can be made?
(03:02:33) (Lynn) I agree.
(03:02:48) (ron) so does that indicate the our response to experience is wholly a subjective event?
(03:03:09) (Lynn) This is as in past programming. Childhod etc. But it is our choice as to whether we follow psychological influences alrady incorporated.
(03:03:27) (Lynn) ought oh , the spelling!
(03:03:51) (ron) we are living in a world of limitations...that is the meaning of the 3rd dimensional life
(03:04:05) (diane) lol Lynn..spelling's fine
(03:04:20) (diane) ok ron
(03:04:47) (diane) that's the physical world...it's limited. or we're limited by it
(03:05:05) (Lynn) The physical world is composed of group agreement.
(03:05:14) (Lynn) That´s why its hard? We are individuals.
(03:05:14) (ron) by our own psychological and physical limitations by our own making
(03:05:41) (Lynn) and decision is what we use to make those psychological decisions.
(03:05:45) (Lynn) least ways I do
(03:05:53) (ron) as well as the spiritual ideals, or standars we have already set for ourselves...right?
(03:06:17) (Lynn) correct. which can be changed
(03:06:20) (diane) yes
(03:06:29) (diane) yes again
(03:06:32) (ron) and if we fall below those standards we get dreams reprimanding us
(03:07:07) (Lynn) My dreams are nice to me. They do not reprimand. People reprimand.. pout
(03:07:15) (diane) dream? I just go on an old fashioned guilt trip
(03:07:21) (ron) right lynn...by our Will
(03:07:30) (ron) lol diane
(03:07:54) (diane) waking dream...wearing my cloak of guilt
(03:07:59) (ron) yes diane...same thing soul criticzes us thru conscience lol
(03:08:22) (Lynn) Toss it down at the cross, diane. The blood will steam that thing into vanishment. lol
(03:08:26) (diane) devil vs angel thing, again
(03:08:28) (ron) but i am sure the both of you know all of this :)(03:08:38) (diane) I'm working on it Lynn
(03:08:42) (Lynn) Sometimes, we need a reminder, ron.
(03:08:58) (Lynn) Don´t work on it. Toss the dang thing at the bottom of the cross. LOL
(03:09:06) (Lynn) visualize it and walk away
(03:09:12) (ron) i have to brush in typing out my thoughts and ideas :)
(03:09:25) (diane) let me go get that crucifix languishing in the trunk
(03:09:29) (Lynn) ron, this was an excellent class.
(03:09:52) (ron) thanks lynn...glad you stopped by
(03:10:03) (diane) yes...and fascinating to see how astrology used in the readings
(03:10:21) (Lynn) ron, If I said how I feel about you, you would defend yourself by saying I flatter.
(03:10:23) (ron) do you still want me to start the SUMMARY again?
(03:10:29) (diane) and mind boggling...EC astounds me
(03:10:31) (Lynn) So I will happily respect Capricorn.
(03:10:43) (diane) no thanks...think we hashed it out ron
(03:10:47) (WalksInSpirit) I second that. Excellant class, as usual, Ron!
(03:10:50) (Lynn) I got it
(03:10:59) (ron) ok...something new next week
