Post by WalksInSpirit on May 22, 2006 20:45:04 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 05-22-06
(02:17:20) (ron) PLUTO
(02:17:35) (ron) The planet Pluto was discovered in 1930, and even now there is some mystery and disagreement among astrologers in their interpretation of its meaning.
(02:17:57) (ron) One astrology magazine says that Pluto opposes the conservative, and whatever is usual and accustomed. According to this reference, Pluto opposes individualism and all forces tending toward individuals, in favor of mass movements, with their race riots, and governmental tendencies toward socialism.
(02:18:53) (ron) or transformation
(02:19:27) (ron) McCaffery is not so pessimistic. She says, in Graphic Astrology, that in most cases "Pluto merely throws people out of routine, so that adjustments have to be made. It is too early in the study of Pluto to list all the matters under its control." She disagrees that Pluto rules dictators, for dictatorship has existed from remote centuries, and Uranus is more
(02:21:02) (ron) the writer of this article is referring to the above book that was published during the 70's...so the thoughts on Pluto were still being formulated and studied
(02:21:17) (ron) the McCaffery book
(02:25:05) (ron) McCaffery is not so pessimistic. She says, in Graphic Astrology, that in most cases "Pluto merely throws people out of routine, so that adjustments have to be made. It is too early in the study of Pluto to list all the matters under its control." She disagrees that Pluto rules dictators, for dictatorship has existed from remote centuries, and Uranus is more
(02:25:42) (ron) the writer of this article is referring to the above book that was published during the 70's...so the thoughts on Pluto were still being formulated and studied
(02:26:07) (ron) McCaffery is not so pessimistic. She says, in Graphic Astrology, that in most cases "Pluto merely throws people out of routine, so that adjustments have to be made. It is too early in the study of Pluto to list all the matters under its control." She disagrees that Pluto rules dictators, for dictatorship has existed from remote centuries, and Uranus is more
(02:26:17) (ron) dictatorial than Pluto. She suggests that Pluto has some rule over Scorpio and also has rule over Aries. Research on Pluto is continuing. McCaffery states in another of her books, Astrology: Its History and Influence in the Western World (Scribners, New York, N.Y:, 1942), "My own finding is that it rules change...a change that marks the end of an
(02:26:35) (ron) old condition and the beginning of a new. The changes brought about by Pluto, however, are not the sudden dynamic changes such as are brought about by Uranus. In fact they are often unappreciable for a long period, but they are definite ones."
(02:28:04) (ron) "change...the end of an old condition and the beginning of a new"...rules the 8th house...known as the house of death (endings),self-transformation
(02:28:40) (ron) As we have previously mentioned, the readings indicate that Saturn rules changes, and Uranus, extremes. Impulses from either are testing periods for the soul-entity and can be considered good or bad according to the way in which you view schooling or hard
(02:29:04) (ron) lessons. In this sense, if Pluto means a shifting of routines and mass movements that negate the individual, Pluto must be considered a "malefic" by orthodox astrological standards.
(02:29:17) (lynn) Ron, you said Pluto SOME rulership over Scorpio. Does Mars still share rulership?
(02:30:54) (lynn) sorry
(02:31:16) (ron) some say that Mars still does and take that into consideration since Mars is more personal to the chart owner...and is considered as co-ruler...Horary astrology, i believe uses Mars as well....but i tend to focus on Pluto and do not take Mars into consideration as the co-ruler...but that only for me
(02:31:48) (lynn) Thank you, Sir.
(02:32:02) (ron) We prefer the word regeneration with reference to Pluto, since it is a higher-octave planet, as are Uranus and Neptune. In this case, regeneration means a higher consciousness and closer to the ideal, the Christ Consciousness. There is some evidence for this in the Edgar Cayce readings. But first let us consider the names themselves.
(02:33:35) (ron) i tend to lean to the transformative issues with Pluto...that part of the personality/character that has to die...that which is out-grown
(02:34:17) (ron) or psychological death rather than physical death...not that the latter may be part of it
(02:35:35) (ron) of the transformative process...such as some outstanding psychic event i n one's life that will alter greatly one's view of the mysteries of life and death
(02:36:17) (ron) or from atheist to a believer in God
(02:36:35) (ron) Pluto is the seventh planet outward from the Earth, and prior to its discovery in 1930 the readings mentioned a planet SEPTIMUS, Latin for SEVENTH. Later readings mentioned Pluto by name, and 826-8 gave the categorical statement that PLUTO and the legendary VULCAN were one and the same.
(02:37:04) (ron) Septimus is mentioned more often in the readings than are Pluto and Vulcan. The actual meanings of the urges from Septimus are unclear and fragmentary, and the meanings are usually those of an "afflicted" planet.
(02:38:26) (ron) one astrologer involvede with EC readings concluded that both Septimus and Vulcan were the same planet...Pluto...and i seem to accept that current view...but cannot remember why i accepted this current thought on Pluto
(02:38:52) (ron) too many things are on my mind...
(02:39:07) (ron) not to make excuses for myself :)
(02:39:24) (ron) Astrologically we find most all, in varied spheres, reacting through the soul-consciousness of the entity; Mercury, Pluto, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune. All of these in various manners.
(02:39:54) (ron) Sudden changes are indicated in Saturn; high mental ability and capabilities in Mercury; self-centeredness in Pluto, and earthward in the application of self. [Pluto is in Gemini; author's italics.]
(02:41:32) (ron) sometimes i have wondered if this author is referring to the above sign location is the Tropical (most popular even with the ARE) or the Sidereal system (most popular with Eastern astrology)
(02:41:54) (ron) We find in Mars a high, exalted opinion of self; which is well, but abused - as it may be in Pluto, or in Mercury - may become a stumbling stone rather than a stepping-stone to advancement in this present sojourn. 3126-1
(02:43:01) (ron) Cayce mentioned that the Sidereal system, Eastern or Hindu astrology had the correct signs, or what is known as Constellational astrology
(02:43:19) (ron) One of the first life readings given by Mr. Cayce (November 16, 1923, seven years before Pluto was discovered and named) mentions Septimus.
(02:43:40) (ron) In the relation to...the planets that [have], that [are] and that will influence this body, we find the strongest of these at the moment of the birth...Venus and Neptune were the ruling forces for this body, with those of Mars in the 9th house, of Jupiter in the 12th house, of Uranus in the 7th house, see? Septimus almost at its zenith, yet not the ruling factor in
(02:44:15) (ron) this body's actions on this present plane, for with the position of Venus and Neptune this, the influence of Septimus, has become changed by the position of Pisces and the constellation of that of Castor and Apollo...
(02:44:42) (ron) thefore, Septimus is not Neptune
(02:45:04) (ron) did i read the above correctly? what do you think?
(02:45:55) (ron) i'm wrong its too vague as yet for me
(02:46:01) (lynn) you are correct
(02:46:19) (ron) One [who] should be nearer the great waters for its best development...will be well for this body to be wary of that of the influence of Septimus and the conjunction that will be within the next six months, else...accident, either through self or from the conditions of the trunk or the torso of the body... 583-1
(02:47:07) (ron) hmmm....destiny?....seems so...thoughts of a possibility of an event that one might be able to alter
(02:47:19) (ron) or avoid
(02:47:32) (ron) Venus in the sunrise chart of this entity is placed at 6 Cancer, and within the next six months, or on May 18, Venus would conjoin natal Pluto at 9 Cancer.
(02:48:08) (ron) In the influences that bring for warnings, as seen in Mars and Vulcan - beware of fire, and especially of firearms, or explosives...Beware of wrath in self, and in grudges as may be builded through wrath's influences in the relationships of the fellow man...Keep self attuned to that love force, even as in the occult influences. Beware of those...forces as make through chance...as of cabalistic or paleozoistic influences. 1735-2
(02:48:55) (ron) Vulcan and the Dog Star (Sirius) are coupled in the following reading, and these are the influences attributed to them:
(02:49:08) (diane) paleozoistic?
(02:49:17) (ron) In astrological associations, these would appear adverse in their first appearance, coming much under the influence of the Dog Star and Vulcan. These make for that influence as has been of sudden changes in the social affairs, the relationships as respecting those of kinship, and those changes as respecting physical or business relations; yet these
(02:50:06) (ron) i have no idea...how what i think has to do with a very early part of earth's history...i have no idea
(02:50:28) (ron) adversities may be used...as stepping-stones for [the] soul's development, as well as of a mental and material change in the experience of the entity. As has been oft aptly quoted, it doesn't matter so much as to rebuffs as to the manner and the use same is put to in the experience of an individual...for in adversities most conditions grow, provided same is
(02:50:30) (lynn) diane, time of development of reptiles
(02:50:49) (diane) ty lynn
(02:50:58) (ron) adversities may be used...as stepping-stones for [the] soul's development, as well as of a mental and material change in the experience of the entity. As has been oft aptly quoted, it doesn't matter so much as to rebuffs as to the manner and the use same is put to in the experience of an individual...for in adversities most conditions grow, provided same is
(02:51:22) (ron) not of a nature to break the will, or to make for those conditions in which an entity reaches that position wherein it pities or belittles its own responsibilities, or its own individuality in the experiences through which it may pass. 1727-1
(02:51:42) (kazu) leading astrology expert is Nostradamus , not cayce
(02:52:13) (ron) but Nostradamus is useless
(02:52:26) (ron) Cayce is not useless
(02:53:04) (ron) Septimus (Vulcan or Pluto) is not mentioned under the birth planets in the next reading, but a great deal of advice is given about the transiting planets. Under such advice comes the following:
(02:53:25) (ron) ...those that have to do with the afflictions of the body come under...the constellation of the Twins, or of Gemini, and that of the Great Bear. They will have to do with those of the digestion as afflicted by Septimus in those that come at two cycles especially in this
(02:53:36) (kazu) ron if you read the book of prof. Vlaicu Ionesc, the greatest Nostradamian in the world, you will know Nostradamus is very useful
(02:53:47) (ron) entity. In that of February 1924, and in March 29 of same calendar year...beware of conditions, and be careful of the diet during those periods. [Pluto is at 3 in this natal chart.] 487-1
(02:54:02) (ron) it would be a waste of my time
(02:54:20) (ron) i've been thru that Nostradumas vagary
(02:54:41) (ron) The most significant statement about Pluto's influence so far encountered in the readings is the following:
(02:54:57) (ron) (Q) Just what are the effects of Pluto, in conjunction with one's ascendant?
(02:55:14) (ron) (A) This as we find is entirely amiss from what we might call a physical expression - but, as we find indicated, these [influences] are a development that is occurring in the universe, or environs about the earth - Pluto. Not as some have indicated that it is
(02:55:23) (ron) gradually being dissipated. It is gradually growing, and thus is one of those influences that are to be as a demonstrative activity in the future affairs or developments of man towards the spiritual-minded influences, or those influences outside of himself.
(02:56:02) (ron) These [individuals] in the present, as might be said, are merely [those becoming AWARE of same. Rather within the next hundred to two hundred years there may be a great deal of influence [of Pluto] upon the ascendancy of man; for it's closest of those to the activities of the earth, to be sure, and is a developing influence, and not one already established. 1100-27
(02:56:23) (ron) Rather within the next hundred to two hundred years there may be a great deal of influence [of Pluto]
(02:56:38) (ron) What the expression "closest of those to the activities of the earth" means, we can only guess. Coming to closer influence? Most directly influencing the mind? Most potentially spiritual influence of all the planetary "schools" for learning outside the earth plane?
(02:57:04) (ron) The evidence that this is so, and that Septimus is Pluto and therefore spiritual consciousness, may be inferred in the following reading, in which the development of the Jesus soul as the perfect pattern is discussed.
(02:57:24) (ron) In the developing, then, that the man may be one with the Father, necessary that the soul pass, with its companion the will, through all the various stages of development, until the will is lost in Him and he becomes one with the Father.
(02:57:52) (ron) In the illustration of this, we find in the man as called Jesus. In this: This man, as man, makes the will the will of the Father, then becoming one with the Father and the model for man...When the soul reached that development in which it reached earth's plane, it
(02:58:01) (ron) became in the flesh the model, as it had reached through the developments in those spheres, or planets, known in the earth's plane, obtaining then One in All.
(02:58:03) ::: kazu is now known as Behold_me_I_am_the_road
(02:58:52) (ron) As in Mercury pertaining of Mind.
(02:59:03) (ron) In Mars of Madness.
(02:59:12) (ron) In Earth as of Flesh.
(02:59:23) (ron) In Venus as Love.
(02:59:33) (ron) In Jupiter as Strength.
(02:59:43) (ron) In Saturn as the beginning of earthy woes, that to which all insufficient matter is cast for
(02:59:50) (ron) and woes is me...
(02:59:59) (diane) LOL
(03:00:00) (lynn) lol
(03:00:03) (ron) In Saturn as the beginning of earthy woes, that to which all insufficient matter is cast for
(03:00:10) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) k
(03:00:14) (ron) the beginning.
(03:00:29) (ron) this is for you diane
(03:00:33) (ron) In that of Uranus as of the Psychic.
(03:00:44) (ron) In that of Neptune as of Mystic.
(03:00:46) (diane) hmmm
(03:00:55) (ron) In Septimus [Pluto?] as of Consciousness.
(03:01:04) (ron) In Arcturus as of the developing. 900-10
(03:01:43) (ron) END for this section...i'll start on the 2nd house from another author and see what our charts have to say
(03:01:50) (ron) take a brief break
(03:01:50) (lynn) Ron, thank you for an excellent class. I must go now. Bye.
(03:06:56) (ron) now, i may not always agree with this authors interpretations but it is from a beginner booklet...i thought of inserting my views here and there but just didn't have the time to do so
(03:07:15) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) llglglglgllglgllglg
(03:07:17) (ron) THE SECOND HOUSE
(03:08:00) (ron) kazu why are you angry with me?...just because i disagreed with you
(03:08:34) (ron) i have my own opinions about astrology...i'm not angry with you because you have a different opinion
(03:09:27) (ron) The SECOND HOUSE is a succeedent house and one of the Houses of SUBSTANCE. It is commonly called the House of Finances, or The Money House. II This Second House is Fixed in nature. Its keyword is III have. II It relates to the Earth Sign Taurus in the natural zodiac. Its
(03:09:46) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) ron I am not angry with you. Just typing . it is lplaying
(03:10:30) (ron) ok kazu...i'm sorry i just misunderstood you...sorry
(03:10:35) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) I have been consulting with dictionary for the words you have typed on the board
(03:10:59) (ron) The SECOND HOUSE is a succeedent house and one of the Houses of SUBSTANCE. It is commonly called the House of Finances, or The Money House. This Second House is Fixed in nature. Its keyword is “I have.” It relates to the Earth Sign Taurus in the natural zodiac. Its natural planetary ruler is Venus. Venus is both receptive and acquisitive, which is needed in handling the
(03:11:13) (ron) affairs of this house. It is a plodding, collecting and resourceful house - all Taurus characteristics. It is a house full of moral content and growth.
(03:11:39) (ron) When the planet that rules this house is retrograde in motion, you go back again and again to collect what is yours.
(03:11:40) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) ron what does the house mean ? does it mean class?
(03:13:17) (ron) a house is one of 12 divisions of the astrological wheel...usully pertaing to one's outer environment....
(03:13:46) (ron) When the planet that rules this house is retrograde in motion, you go back again and again to collect what is yours.
(03:14:02) (ron) Whether you're a spendthrift or a miser - you Second House will reveal all! Money from investments (not speculation or gambling which is a 5th house matter, and not inheritance which is an 8th house matter) is shown here. The Sign on the cusp of the Second House shows your attitude, both pro and con, and how you handle your re':' sources:
(03:14:46) (diane) interesting
(03:15:01) (ron) now we will see what the writer says about the sign on the 2nd house cusp
(03:15:15) (ron) ARIES
(03:15:27) (ron) anyone have Aries on the 2nd house?
(03:15:45) (ron) Money comes, and money goes, quickly. Emotions are a factor in how you handle it. Strong desire to make money and new and novel ideas will emerge. You need money for you equate material possession with emotional security. Lacking persistence in working towards the goal of a fixed income.
(03:15:57) (diane) i don't
(03:16:13) (ron) TAURUS
(03:16:29) (diane) excuse me ron...where do you find cusp?
(03:16:47) (ron) is the natural ruler of the 2nd house...so the writer should say nice things
(03:17:15) (ron) look at the horzontal line and look to the left of your chart
(03:17:28) (diane) k
(03:17:37) (ron) that is the 1st house (known as the Ascendant or the Rising sign)
(03:17:48) (diane) right
(03:17:58) (ron) you'll see the number 2 towards the middle of the wheel...ok...got it?
(03:18:08) (diane) yes
(03:18:17) (ron) that will be the next line down from the horozontal line
(03:18:26) (ron) perpendicular i think it is called
(03:18:42) (diane) i see the #'s of the houses...but where are cusps?
(03:18:45) (ron) you'll see the number 1 for the horizontal line
(03:19:18) (ron) the signs at at the end of those lines...at the rim of the wheel and is written as a symbol
(03:19:28) (diane) ty
(03:19:32) (diane) thought so
(03:19:51) (diane) please go on
(03:20:04) (ron) TAURUS
(03:20:14) (ron) for the 2nd house cusp
(03:20:28) (ron) Money, and what it will buy, is your motivator. Possessions once acquired are given up reluctantly. Seeks all of the “better things of life” but desire can overtake common sense and the energies can get scattered. More impulsive in speech and manner. Harmony between mind and body must be achieved before success can be gained.
(03:20:31) (diane) nope...
(03:20:59) (ron) you guy's know that i have Copernicus helping do these astrological studies and interpretations...and he is good :)
(03:21:17) (diane) LOL...tell him Armando says Hi
(02:17:35) (ron) The planet Pluto was discovered in 1930, and even now there is some mystery and disagreement among astrologers in their interpretation of its meaning.
(02:17:57) (ron) One astrology magazine says that Pluto opposes the conservative, and whatever is usual and accustomed. According to this reference, Pluto opposes individualism and all forces tending toward individuals, in favor of mass movements, with their race riots, and governmental tendencies toward socialism.
(02:18:53) (ron) or transformation
(02:19:27) (ron) McCaffery is not so pessimistic. She says, in Graphic Astrology, that in most cases "Pluto merely throws people out of routine, so that adjustments have to be made. It is too early in the study of Pluto to list all the matters under its control." She disagrees that Pluto rules dictators, for dictatorship has existed from remote centuries, and Uranus is more
(02:21:02) (ron) the writer of this article is referring to the above book that was published during the 70's...so the thoughts on Pluto were still being formulated and studied
(02:21:17) (ron) the McCaffery book
(02:25:05) (ron) McCaffery is not so pessimistic. She says, in Graphic Astrology, that in most cases "Pluto merely throws people out of routine, so that adjustments have to be made. It is too early in the study of Pluto to list all the matters under its control." She disagrees that Pluto rules dictators, for dictatorship has existed from remote centuries, and Uranus is more
(02:25:42) (ron) the writer of this article is referring to the above book that was published during the 70's...so the thoughts on Pluto were still being formulated and studied
(02:26:07) (ron) McCaffery is not so pessimistic. She says, in Graphic Astrology, that in most cases "Pluto merely throws people out of routine, so that adjustments have to be made. It is too early in the study of Pluto to list all the matters under its control." She disagrees that Pluto rules dictators, for dictatorship has existed from remote centuries, and Uranus is more
(02:26:17) (ron) dictatorial than Pluto. She suggests that Pluto has some rule over Scorpio and also has rule over Aries. Research on Pluto is continuing. McCaffery states in another of her books, Astrology: Its History and Influence in the Western World (Scribners, New York, N.Y:, 1942), "My own finding is that it rules change...a change that marks the end of an
(02:26:35) (ron) old condition and the beginning of a new. The changes brought about by Pluto, however, are not the sudden dynamic changes such as are brought about by Uranus. In fact they are often unappreciable for a long period, but they are definite ones."
(02:28:04) (ron) "change...the end of an old condition and the beginning of a new"...rules the 8th house...known as the house of death (endings),self-transformation
(02:28:40) (ron) As we have previously mentioned, the readings indicate that Saturn rules changes, and Uranus, extremes. Impulses from either are testing periods for the soul-entity and can be considered good or bad according to the way in which you view schooling or hard
(02:29:04) (ron) lessons. In this sense, if Pluto means a shifting of routines and mass movements that negate the individual, Pluto must be considered a "malefic" by orthodox astrological standards.
(02:29:17) (lynn) Ron, you said Pluto SOME rulership over Scorpio. Does Mars still share rulership?
(02:30:54) (lynn) sorry
(02:31:16) (ron) some say that Mars still does and take that into consideration since Mars is more personal to the chart owner...and is considered as co-ruler...Horary astrology, i believe uses Mars as well....but i tend to focus on Pluto and do not take Mars into consideration as the co-ruler...but that only for me
(02:31:48) (lynn) Thank you, Sir.
(02:32:02) (ron) We prefer the word regeneration with reference to Pluto, since it is a higher-octave planet, as are Uranus and Neptune. In this case, regeneration means a higher consciousness and closer to the ideal, the Christ Consciousness. There is some evidence for this in the Edgar Cayce readings. But first let us consider the names themselves.
(02:33:35) (ron) i tend to lean to the transformative issues with Pluto...that part of the personality/character that has to die...that which is out-grown
(02:34:17) (ron) or psychological death rather than physical death...not that the latter may be part of it
(02:35:35) (ron) of the transformative process...such as some outstanding psychic event i n one's life that will alter greatly one's view of the mysteries of life and death
(02:36:17) (ron) or from atheist to a believer in God
(02:36:35) (ron) Pluto is the seventh planet outward from the Earth, and prior to its discovery in 1930 the readings mentioned a planet SEPTIMUS, Latin for SEVENTH. Later readings mentioned Pluto by name, and 826-8 gave the categorical statement that PLUTO and the legendary VULCAN were one and the same.
(02:37:04) (ron) Septimus is mentioned more often in the readings than are Pluto and Vulcan. The actual meanings of the urges from Septimus are unclear and fragmentary, and the meanings are usually those of an "afflicted" planet.
(02:38:26) (ron) one astrologer involvede with EC readings concluded that both Septimus and Vulcan were the same planet...Pluto...and i seem to accept that current view...but cannot remember why i accepted this current thought on Pluto
(02:38:52) (ron) too many things are on my mind...
(02:39:07) (ron) not to make excuses for myself :)
(02:39:24) (ron) Astrologically we find most all, in varied spheres, reacting through the soul-consciousness of the entity; Mercury, Pluto, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune. All of these in various manners.
(02:39:54) (ron) Sudden changes are indicated in Saturn; high mental ability and capabilities in Mercury; self-centeredness in Pluto, and earthward in the application of self. [Pluto is in Gemini; author's italics.]
(02:41:32) (ron) sometimes i have wondered if this author is referring to the above sign location is the Tropical (most popular even with the ARE) or the Sidereal system (most popular with Eastern astrology)
(02:41:54) (ron) We find in Mars a high, exalted opinion of self; which is well, but abused - as it may be in Pluto, or in Mercury - may become a stumbling stone rather than a stepping-stone to advancement in this present sojourn. 3126-1
(02:43:01) (ron) Cayce mentioned that the Sidereal system, Eastern or Hindu astrology had the correct signs, or what is known as Constellational astrology
(02:43:19) (ron) One of the first life readings given by Mr. Cayce (November 16, 1923, seven years before Pluto was discovered and named) mentions Septimus.
(02:43:40) (ron) In the relation to...the planets that [have], that [are] and that will influence this body, we find the strongest of these at the moment of the birth...Venus and Neptune were the ruling forces for this body, with those of Mars in the 9th house, of Jupiter in the 12th house, of Uranus in the 7th house, see? Septimus almost at its zenith, yet not the ruling factor in
(02:44:15) (ron) this body's actions on this present plane, for with the position of Venus and Neptune this, the influence of Septimus, has become changed by the position of Pisces and the constellation of that of Castor and Apollo...
(02:44:42) (ron) thefore, Septimus is not Neptune
(02:45:04) (ron) did i read the above correctly? what do you think?
(02:45:55) (ron) i'm wrong its too vague as yet for me
(02:46:01) (lynn) you are correct
(02:46:19) (ron) One [who] should be nearer the great waters for its best development...will be well for this body to be wary of that of the influence of Septimus and the conjunction that will be within the next six months, else...accident, either through self or from the conditions of the trunk or the torso of the body... 583-1
(02:47:07) (ron) hmmm....destiny?....seems so...thoughts of a possibility of an event that one might be able to alter
(02:47:19) (ron) or avoid
(02:47:32) (ron) Venus in the sunrise chart of this entity is placed at 6 Cancer, and within the next six months, or on May 18, Venus would conjoin natal Pluto at 9 Cancer.
(02:48:08) (ron) In the influences that bring for warnings, as seen in Mars and Vulcan - beware of fire, and especially of firearms, or explosives...Beware of wrath in self, and in grudges as may be builded through wrath's influences in the relationships of the fellow man...Keep self attuned to that love force, even as in the occult influences. Beware of those...forces as make through chance...as of cabalistic or paleozoistic influences. 1735-2
(02:48:55) (ron) Vulcan and the Dog Star (Sirius) are coupled in the following reading, and these are the influences attributed to them:
(02:49:08) (diane) paleozoistic?
(02:49:17) (ron) In astrological associations, these would appear adverse in their first appearance, coming much under the influence of the Dog Star and Vulcan. These make for that influence as has been of sudden changes in the social affairs, the relationships as respecting those of kinship, and those changes as respecting physical or business relations; yet these
(02:50:06) (ron) i have no idea...how what i think has to do with a very early part of earth's history...i have no idea
(02:50:28) (ron) adversities may be used...as stepping-stones for [the] soul's development, as well as of a mental and material change in the experience of the entity. As has been oft aptly quoted, it doesn't matter so much as to rebuffs as to the manner and the use same is put to in the experience of an individual...for in adversities most conditions grow, provided same is
(02:50:30) (lynn) diane, time of development of reptiles
(02:50:49) (diane) ty lynn
(02:50:58) (ron) adversities may be used...as stepping-stones for [the] soul's development, as well as of a mental and material change in the experience of the entity. As has been oft aptly quoted, it doesn't matter so much as to rebuffs as to the manner and the use same is put to in the experience of an individual...for in adversities most conditions grow, provided same is
(02:51:22) (ron) not of a nature to break the will, or to make for those conditions in which an entity reaches that position wherein it pities or belittles its own responsibilities, or its own individuality in the experiences through which it may pass. 1727-1
(02:51:42) (kazu) leading astrology expert is Nostradamus , not cayce
(02:52:13) (ron) but Nostradamus is useless
(02:52:26) (ron) Cayce is not useless
(02:53:04) (ron) Septimus (Vulcan or Pluto) is not mentioned under the birth planets in the next reading, but a great deal of advice is given about the transiting planets. Under such advice comes the following:
(02:53:25) (ron) ...those that have to do with the afflictions of the body come under...the constellation of the Twins, or of Gemini, and that of the Great Bear. They will have to do with those of the digestion as afflicted by Septimus in those that come at two cycles especially in this
(02:53:36) (kazu) ron if you read the book of prof. Vlaicu Ionesc, the greatest Nostradamian in the world, you will know Nostradamus is very useful
(02:53:47) (ron) entity. In that of February 1924, and in March 29 of same calendar year...beware of conditions, and be careful of the diet during those periods. [Pluto is at 3 in this natal chart.] 487-1
(02:54:02) (ron) it would be a waste of my time
(02:54:20) (ron) i've been thru that Nostradumas vagary
(02:54:41) (ron) The most significant statement about Pluto's influence so far encountered in the readings is the following:
(02:54:57) (ron) (Q) Just what are the effects of Pluto, in conjunction with one's ascendant?
(02:55:14) (ron) (A) This as we find is entirely amiss from what we might call a physical expression - but, as we find indicated, these [influences] are a development that is occurring in the universe, or environs about the earth - Pluto. Not as some have indicated that it is
(02:55:23) (ron) gradually being dissipated. It is gradually growing, and thus is one of those influences that are to be as a demonstrative activity in the future affairs or developments of man towards the spiritual-minded influences, or those influences outside of himself.
(02:56:02) (ron) These [individuals] in the present, as might be said, are merely [those becoming AWARE of same. Rather within the next hundred to two hundred years there may be a great deal of influence [of Pluto] upon the ascendancy of man; for it's closest of those to the activities of the earth, to be sure, and is a developing influence, and not one already established. 1100-27
(02:56:23) (ron) Rather within the next hundred to two hundred years there may be a great deal of influence [of Pluto]
(02:56:38) (ron) What the expression "closest of those to the activities of the earth" means, we can only guess. Coming to closer influence? Most directly influencing the mind? Most potentially spiritual influence of all the planetary "schools" for learning outside the earth plane?
(02:57:04) (ron) The evidence that this is so, and that Septimus is Pluto and therefore spiritual consciousness, may be inferred in the following reading, in which the development of the Jesus soul as the perfect pattern is discussed.
(02:57:24) (ron) In the developing, then, that the man may be one with the Father, necessary that the soul pass, with its companion the will, through all the various stages of development, until the will is lost in Him and he becomes one with the Father.
(02:57:52) (ron) In the illustration of this, we find in the man as called Jesus. In this: This man, as man, makes the will the will of the Father, then becoming one with the Father and the model for man...When the soul reached that development in which it reached earth's plane, it
(02:58:01) (ron) became in the flesh the model, as it had reached through the developments in those spheres, or planets, known in the earth's plane, obtaining then One in All.
(02:58:03) ::: kazu is now known as Behold_me_I_am_the_road
(02:58:52) (ron) As in Mercury pertaining of Mind.
(02:59:03) (ron) In Mars of Madness.
(02:59:12) (ron) In Earth as of Flesh.
(02:59:23) (ron) In Venus as Love.
(02:59:33) (ron) In Jupiter as Strength.
(02:59:43) (ron) In Saturn as the beginning of earthy woes, that to which all insufficient matter is cast for
(02:59:50) (ron) and woes is me...
(02:59:59) (diane) LOL
(03:00:00) (lynn) lol
(03:00:03) (ron) In Saturn as the beginning of earthy woes, that to which all insufficient matter is cast for
(03:00:10) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) k
(03:00:14) (ron) the beginning.
(03:00:29) (ron) this is for you diane
(03:00:33) (ron) In that of Uranus as of the Psychic.
(03:00:44) (ron) In that of Neptune as of Mystic.
(03:00:46) (diane) hmmm
(03:00:55) (ron) In Septimus [Pluto?] as of Consciousness.
(03:01:04) (ron) In Arcturus as of the developing. 900-10
(03:01:43) (ron) END for this section...i'll start on the 2nd house from another author and see what our charts have to say
(03:01:50) (ron) take a brief break
(03:01:50) (lynn) Ron, thank you for an excellent class. I must go now. Bye.
(03:06:56) (ron) now, i may not always agree with this authors interpretations but it is from a beginner booklet...i thought of inserting my views here and there but just didn't have the time to do so
(03:07:15) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) llglglglgllglgllglg
(03:07:17) (ron) THE SECOND HOUSE
(03:08:00) (ron) kazu why are you angry with me?...just because i disagreed with you
(03:08:34) (ron) i have my own opinions about astrology...i'm not angry with you because you have a different opinion
(03:09:27) (ron) The SECOND HOUSE is a succeedent house and one of the Houses of SUBSTANCE. It is commonly called the House of Finances, or The Money House. II This Second House is Fixed in nature. Its keyword is III have. II It relates to the Earth Sign Taurus in the natural zodiac. Its
(03:09:46) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) ron I am not angry with you. Just typing . it is lplaying
(03:10:30) (ron) ok kazu...i'm sorry i just misunderstood you...sorry
(03:10:35) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) I have been consulting with dictionary for the words you have typed on the board
(03:10:59) (ron) The SECOND HOUSE is a succeedent house and one of the Houses of SUBSTANCE. It is commonly called the House of Finances, or The Money House. This Second House is Fixed in nature. Its keyword is “I have.” It relates to the Earth Sign Taurus in the natural zodiac. Its natural planetary ruler is Venus. Venus is both receptive and acquisitive, which is needed in handling the
(03:11:13) (ron) affairs of this house. It is a plodding, collecting and resourceful house - all Taurus characteristics. It is a house full of moral content and growth.
(03:11:39) (ron) When the planet that rules this house is retrograde in motion, you go back again and again to collect what is yours.
(03:11:40) (Behold_me_I_am_the_road) ron what does the house mean ? does it mean class?
(03:13:17) (ron) a house is one of 12 divisions of the astrological wheel...usully pertaing to one's outer environment....
(03:13:46) (ron) When the planet that rules this house is retrograde in motion, you go back again and again to collect what is yours.
(03:14:02) (ron) Whether you're a spendthrift or a miser - you Second House will reveal all! Money from investments (not speculation or gambling which is a 5th house matter, and not inheritance which is an 8th house matter) is shown here. The Sign on the cusp of the Second House shows your attitude, both pro and con, and how you handle your re':' sources:
(03:14:46) (diane) interesting
(03:15:01) (ron) now we will see what the writer says about the sign on the 2nd house cusp
(03:15:15) (ron) ARIES
(03:15:27) (ron) anyone have Aries on the 2nd house?
(03:15:45) (ron) Money comes, and money goes, quickly. Emotions are a factor in how you handle it. Strong desire to make money and new and novel ideas will emerge. You need money for you equate material possession with emotional security. Lacking persistence in working towards the goal of a fixed income.
(03:15:57) (diane) i don't
(03:16:13) (ron) TAURUS
(03:16:29) (diane) excuse me ron...where do you find cusp?
(03:16:47) (ron) is the natural ruler of the 2nd house...so the writer should say nice things
(03:17:15) (ron) look at the horzontal line and look to the left of your chart
(03:17:28) (diane) k
(03:17:37) (ron) that is the 1st house (known as the Ascendant or the Rising sign)
(03:17:48) (diane) right
(03:17:58) (ron) you'll see the number 2 towards the middle of the wheel...ok...got it?
(03:18:08) (diane) yes
(03:18:17) (ron) that will be the next line down from the horozontal line
(03:18:26) (ron) perpendicular i think it is called
(03:18:42) (diane) i see the #'s of the houses...but where are cusps?
(03:18:45) (ron) you'll see the number 1 for the horizontal line
(03:19:18) (ron) the signs at at the end of those lines...at the rim of the wheel and is written as a symbol
(03:19:28) (diane) ty
(03:19:32) (diane) thought so
(03:19:51) (diane) please go on
(03:20:04) (ron) TAURUS
(03:20:14) (ron) for the 2nd house cusp
(03:20:28) (ron) Money, and what it will buy, is your motivator. Possessions once acquired are given up reluctantly. Seeks all of the “better things of life” but desire can overtake common sense and the energies can get scattered. More impulsive in speech and manner. Harmony between mind and body must be achieved before success can be gained.
(03:20:31) (diane) nope...
(03:20:59) (ron) you guy's know that i have Copernicus helping do these astrological studies and interpretations...and he is good :)
(03:21:17) (diane) LOL...tell him Armando says Hi
