Post by WalksInSpirit on May 17, 2006 15:42:57 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 05-15-06
ron says: NEPTUNE
ron says: Neptune is the sixth planet outward from the Earth, counting Earth as number one. We find that the textbooks and readings agree in assigning mysticism and love of the sea to Neptune. Neptune is supposed to be the higher octave of Venus and is also associated with the arts. One magazine says that Neptune symbolizes compassion, the cinema, dreams, esthetic interests, liquor, gases, vapors, odors.
diane says: wide assortment of coverage there
ron says: McCaffery states that Neptune, like Venus, rules music; that it gives second sight and the gift of prophecy; it is diffuse, elusive, emotional, and mystical. "Neptune makes mystics, whereas Uranus makes occultists...Neptune's vibrations can give the composer in one
ron says: moment the whole of an opera. It will depend upon the rest of the chart whether this will be written in musical score, for Neptune of itself does not contribute any love of active hard work. The Neptunian inclines to be the dreamer."
ron says: We cite a few extracts from the readings which illustrate these points:
ron says: ...the soul and spirit took its flight...from that far away force as exercised in Neptune. Hence we have an entity that...will be peculiar to other people, rarely ever being understood; yet one with the spiritual insight of the developing in [the] earth plane, and one whom others would be, could be, benefited by, by being in contact with this entity. 2553-8
ron says: For the extremes of Uranus as well as Neptune are a portion of the entity's experience...
Lynn says: ought oh, I got Neptune rising
ron says: From Neptune we find that being close to waters, on waters, or about waters, is very well...and this also gives those abilities as the mystic - the interest in the unusual, as in the abilities of seeing, feeling, experiencing that which to most would be the unseen forces about the entity. These are well to be cultivated, not abused, not encouraged by giving
ron says: thought to what the reaction should be, but keep the spiritual import, the spiritual necessity - which has been a portion of the entity's experience through one of its sojourns, as one who accepted the veil. 2308-1
ron says: Neptune AND Uranus make for an interest in reading matter that is of unusual nature. Things that pertain to mysteries, or conditions in individuals' or groups' lives that are unusual, the uncanny and such...
ron says: And, for the better development of the entity, as it develops or progresses through the experiences of this sojourn, the dwelling near large bodies of water, or upon large bodies of water, will be the natural elements for the development; giving rise to the abilities both in the occult and in the mystic influences. 406-1
ron says: The following excerpt indicates that the soul entered from Neptune, with Uranus, Jupiter, and Mars influencing through the tendencies:
ron says: Hence the conditions as are exhibited in the present earth's plane in...love of the sea (see the body has gone to sea).
ron says: In the influence, then, we find one of many exceptional abilities.
ron says: One that is considered eccentric and peculiar, having many changeable moods.
ron says: One loving mystery, and every condition as regards...a mystery of the sea, and of the sleuth or detective nature.
ron says: One that should have been guided close in the study of those things pertaining to the mystery and the occult.
ron says: One who will find the...greatest abilities in the present earth's plane in the study of the occult forces. 2213-1
ron says: In Neptune we find the inclinations for things that have to do with water and over water and to be on waters...These then give an urge again, as through Saturn, for change of scene and change of environment - and the desire for travel...those things that are exciting...that pertain to the heroic and hero worship. This urge must ever be tempered, then, with directing the entity to the character of ideals... 1426-1
ron says: In the following, the entity entered from Neptune, which in the natal chart is located at 10 Virgo. According to orthodox astrology, a watery planet in an earth sign is more or less at home, although Neptune is positioned in a sign opposite the one it is supposed to rule, Pisces. All this is interesting in view of the reading.
ron says: the readings say that that the last planet that one entered the earth plane is determined by the highest planet in the chart...or closest to the MIDHEAVEN
ron says: that is, entered in, means the planet that one took flight before entering the earth plane
diane says: Pisces is my MIDHEAVEN
diane says: no
Myst says: I got Saturn.
diane says: MIDHEAVEN + Gemini
ron says: and that planet will have a major influence in the life...now guess what mine might be....I am into dreams, astrology, and meditation for many years...I’ll give you guys only one guess as to what planet that might be
Myst says: Neptune
ron says: and love the sea
ron says: :)
ron says: righto
diane says: Neptune
Myst says: Saturn might also be my love of the dark ones
ron says: now is there anyone else that might need some help here?
ron says: Diane...do you have Neptune as the highest planet in your chart?
diane says: how can i tell?
ron says: my Neptune is in the 9th house...what does the 9th house pertain to?...anyone know?
ron says: look to the top of the chart
ron says: Diane
Myst says: higher studies
Myst says: higher education
Myst says: journeys
Myst says: philosophy
ron says: right Lynn...religion and philosophy and that i take a mystical approach...
diane says: Neptune is in Libra, I think
Myst says: Neptune is my rising planet in sextile with Uranus
Myst says: no not sextile
Myst says: but good aspect
diane says: I have nothing in my ninth house
ron says: diane, you have Uranus at the top of your chart...what do you remember about this planet?
diane says: occult?
Myst says: I got Saturn and Uranus and part of fortune in ninth
diane says: more intellectual pursuits?
ron says: that is good Lynn...so you must use Neptune qualities in a positive manner...the tendency (by aspect) shows that you will...but can be used negatively such as drugs, laziness drinking etc
ron says: expect some trouble to enter into your life
Myst says: already is, used to it crisis equals opportunity as well as danger
ron says: Diane, yes...occult insight
ron says: etc
diane says: does it say anything about Uranus and a big mouth? lol
ron says: Uranus shows psychic insight if you wish to develop it Diane....you have a lot of originality and creativity
ron says: lol Diane...i refuse to answer that question for it may incriminate :)
diane says: All I need to do is use it occasionally, but it can disturb certain folks
ron says: Diane, you have a very independent nature and are not hesitant to express that verbally
Lynn says: Diane, sometimes disturbing is good. Move out of comfort zone so can grow.
ron says: very creative with words...yes Diane
diane says: Tends to get away from me if i don't control it...the verbal stuff
ron says: i think so Diane...you have to be aware of the sensitivity of others....choose words carefully if you disagree
ron says: and not to fly off the handle lol
diane says: lol Ron, I do my best. I dislike confrontation
ron says: you are very good with communications
ron says: any more thoughts at this time?...should i go on?
ron says: open chat for a bit...have fun
ron says: i happen to like this study of Uranus and Neptune....two of my favorite planets
Lynn says: mine also!
ron says: Here we find unusual conditions, especially owing to the long periods of interims between material sojourns. And thus...one that oft appears to be lost in confusions of itself; being highly sensitive to those influences from without.
ron says: confusion and sensitivity are some of the Neptunian characteristics as well
ron says: Thus. . . an entity whose psychic abilities - if they are developed - may surpass much of that which has been the experience of many...
diane says: ok
ron says: Hence the needs for the study, the directing, the instructing of the entity in the sources of spiritual (not spiritualistic, but spiritual) influences...
ron says: In the astrological aspects we find Neptune, Uranus, Venus and Saturn as the greater influence... Hence we will find the inclination for seeking the unusual places, strange conditions - taking up with and associating with strange surroundings, having strange playmates - the desire for [the] unusual in pets...
ron says: From the Neptune influences - keep away from large bodies of water! These are opposite from much of that accredited as an influence from the astrological aspects of Neptune; though those things that come from and over large bodies of water...will be of a great interest to the entity; and the knowledge of same should be a part of the entity's experience. 2005-1
ron says: what is meant here "keep away from large bodies of water"...is making reference to the astrological aspects...these aspects seem to indicate where one can experience difficulties...some aspects show favorable and unfavorable experiences
diane says: sounds complex to me
Lynn says: I have two aspects with Neptune one trine and one sextile
Lynn says: sextile moon, trine Uranus
ron says: but Neptune itself does show a love for the sea...water is also symbolic of the emotional, unconscious levels of our being...the soul level
Lynn says: I have an excellent and eccentric relationship with my subconscious and
ron says: sometimes when we release from the unconscious may be disturbing…that is why drugs etc when abused, can bring one problems in life
diane says: I have Neptune trine and sextile also
Lynn says: with what planets?
diane says: hmmm let me look
ron says: very good to have such helpful astrological aspects...they indicate past, previous memories, from earthly experiences have been used properly...
diane says: Pluto is one...the other is node (?)
Lynn says: I like what you say release from unconscious , disturbing interests me because I grow
Lynn says: north or south node? Probably north
diane says: just node...what is a node How do i tell if it's north or south?
ron says: but from my observations, we have the tendency to give in to some of these weak Neptunian tendencies...not necessarily to the extreme...but yet there are other aspects among the other planets that might get one into trouble
Lynn says: you talk about me, Ron, you talk about extreme lol
ron says: north node Diane is when the oval part is on top
diane says: North it is, then
Lynn says: What sign is your north node in , Diane
diane says: it's in Gemini
diane says: 10th house
ron says: there aren’t any perfect horoscopes...if there was a perfect chart you wouldn't be here.... as a matter of fact that is why you are here….you are struggling toward perfection
Lynn says: That means you’ve already done well in past lives regarding Sagittarius but you need to develop Gemini
diane says: Arrrgh! My ex is Gemini
Lynn says: Me I have north node in Virgo did well with Pisces already need earth lessons
ron says: i guess he was a help with your development of Gemini Diane :)
Lynn says: In times of trouble we turn to south node
Lynn says: Me, I’ll head for Pisces
diane says: ty for the info Lynn. Cool !
ron says: I’ll move on
ron says: From the Neptune influences - keep away from large bodies of water! These are opposite from much of that accredited as an influence from the astrological aspects of Neptune; though those things that come from and over large bodies of water...will be of a great interest to the entity; and the knowledge of same should be a part of the entity's experience. 2005-1
ron says: In the case of [4228] (see chart, p. 101), we find an interesting tie-in of Neptune with Arcturus, the greater Sun of our solar system. Please note that Mars and Septimus are afflicted; both are located in Cancer (if Septimus is Pluto, as we have reason to think). The language given here as to how the soul took its flight to Earth is unusual.
ron says: We find the soul and spirit entity took its flight, or its force being present and bringing this present entity's completeness, from...Venus's forces, with those of Jupiter, Mercury, Neptune being the ones in the assistance to the conditions bringing the forces to this present plane's development, with afflictions of those in Mars and in that of Septimus.
ron says: now, did you all get that?...now that is something else
ron says: Arcturus being in the greater force for this development upon this plane, [the soul] receiving then the greater force by the influence of Arcturus, with...the dwelling forces of Neptune. The Moon's forces being those that have brought, and will bring, many of the influences from the forces of Venus...
crystal says: sorta of Ron, but don't mind me......lol
Eileen says: Ron, question, have you been able to figure out our planets from the Cayce material?
diane says: ditto crystal...sort of
ron says: i have a greater understanding of the planets in regards the readings...but since I’m not in constant conversation with anyone i have a tendency to lose track of things....i also have a lot of other things on my mind as well....those troublesome things of daily life
Eileen says: is that in answer to me Ron?
ron says: yes Eileen
ron says: what i have been giving here has been a great help for me...clarified much for my understanding
ron says: As these, we find those inclinations:
ron says: With the strength of Jupiter forces, with that of Venus and Neptune...one given to letters, and of high exalted positions of self and all concerned therewith. Given to make show, or display, of that element that gives the greater expression of self. Hence, will must be directed, else with the influence of Venus's forces [it] would give detrimental elements in the life.
ron says: Jupiter forces with Venus and Neptune...is referring to the astrological aspects
ron says: referring to the negative relationship of Venus to Neptune (the subject of this discussion)
diane says: that sounds like a tough nut, ron...
Lynn says: OMG
ron says: One whose forces from...Mercury will turn in the middle portion of life to those elements pertaining to the chemical forces, with that of Arcturus's forces giving strength to the elements [that are] directed in the entity. 4228-1
Lynn says: What is Venus in?
ron says: Neptune, in the body's glandular system, is represented by the cells of Leydig or lyden.
Eileen says: another question Ron, how do we find our Arcturus?
ron says: the seat of the soul
ron says: which is belongs to the water element in astrology....leydig = water
Eileen says: forgive me Ron, a bit hyper today
ron says: interesting i think...especially its symbolic location
ron says: one step above the gonadic center
Lynn says: What part of the body, Ron?
Lynn says: ok
ron says: and one step down from the adrenals
Eileen says: never connected Neptune with the leydig
Lynn says: gonadic Neptune magick?
Eileen says: is making sense
ron says: like, before incarnation, the soul emerges from the collective unconscious (Pisces=water) to experience its individuality (Aries=fire=1st house)
Lynn says: interesting, spiritual astrology
diane says: It's all so harmonic
diane says: *Harmonic...lol
ron says: Neptune to lyden center
Lynn says: Then I emerged from Leo to use in Virgo?
ron says: the collective souls of what we call "Oneness"
Lynn says: ok
ron says: physical birth of Aries...or separation
Lynn says: Waaaaahh!
ron says: Aries = the beginning...a new start
ron says: the first sign of the zodiac
Eileen says: Neptune rules, in seventh house of Libra with Moon
diane says: My firstborn is an Aries. How ironic
Lynn says: This Scorpio was married to an Aries. bad bad bad for both of us
Eileen says: now what is that?
ron says: what type of partner and what the partner reflects your own personality
Lynn says: He reflected what I need to develop. Practical common sense
Lynn says: He just goofed up when he married me. lol
Eileen says: long time marriage to a Taurus, ruled by Venus
Eileen says: Venus in 12th
ron says: is that what happened Eileen, with your 7th house Neptune?
Eileen says: now I am confused!
ron says: well, Eileen, i have a 12th house Venus to...but you already know that
Eileen says: what Ron?
Lynn says: Hey, guys, I got Venus I Scorpio!!
Lynn says: lol
ron says: or am i speaking to Lynn regarding a 7th house Neptune?
Eileen says: uh oh, get out the fire hoses!
Lynn says: no, my Neptune is first house
ron says: lol Eileen
Lynn says: rising
Eileen says: no me, but what are you referring to as happening?
diane says: Venus in Capricorn for me
Eileen says: smart move di
Eileen says: marrying a Taurus?
ron says: would you say Diane, that you have a practical outlook on love and are a bit earthy yourself :)
Eileen says: just look at them hips Ron
ron says: enjoying the earthly pleasures of life
diane says: I'll never tell....ok...yeah
Eileen says: just playing di
ron says: lol Diane
diane says: funny Eileen. Touché
ron says: lol Eileen
diane says: too-shay
Eileen says: well, think she married that Scorpio, ya know
diane says: Indeed i did...2nd time around anyway
Eileen says: got Venus in Pisces so a shoe alcoholic, kinda little feet
Eileen says: love to dance though
ron says: END of Neptune for today...this was very interesting...i can repeat if you guys wish
Lynn says: Your classes are so enjoyable, Ron. That is my reality.
ron says: Venus in water Eileen...you must show a great emotional response with all your loving things :)
crystal says: thank you so much Ron, well done
diane says: so interesting...ty Ron
Eileen says: still trying to figure out what having Neptune connected with the leydig gland entails
Eileen says: too easily involved Ron, especially with the wrong kinds
ron says: here Eileen
ron says: the lyden center
Eileen says: presently picking us stuff I do not want to deal with, like other folks messes!
ron says: is given the color orange. it is the place of temptation, the seat of life. this is where we give life to what we create for selfish reasons (self-indulgent), or on a more positive level, or how we improve the life of others....this is where we give life to our concepts, our ideas and how we go about sustaining them....that is giving them life....this place, or seat of the soul
Eileen says: hmmm, Ron, just found out about it
ron says: should i start over with Neptune?
ron says: there’s not that much to it
Eileen says: we're all psychic Ron, so we get ya
ron says: yes Eileen i know how it is :)
Eileen says: yes, but am getting more Christian, and learning about the things we ain't suppose to mess with
diane says: psycho too, Eileen. lol
ron says: lol
Lynn says: Eileen, you have my deepest empathy.
Eileen says: hey, isn't that what I said, typo
crystal says: it's a technique to help one who practice it properly to live happily to free from all sufferings and misery in their daily life
Lynn says: I went from wonderful occult libraries to throwing them all in the trash can. For you Jesus
Lynn says: To recollecting, to throwing away,
Lynn says: What a confusion.
crystal says: the dis explains how and why this technique works
Eileen says: was hoping I wouldn't have to recollect Lynn
Lynn says: Started giving Crystals and other things to my best friend til I got out of Christian phase.
ron says: typical Neptunian behavior :)
Eileen says: who is it from crystal?
diane says: Well, the vispassana cd's did have a few remarks about religion that were , well. unsettling
Lynn says: But , now, through Cayce I can have both.
crystal says: it's my small way to share to give back to what this technique has given me
Eileen says: keeping my crystals, Lynn
Eileen says: per Cayce
Eileen says: just got his book on them, in fact
ron says: i enjoy your thoughts crystal...anytime you wish to share is alright with me
Eileen says: unsettling how, di
crystal says: thanks Ron, that's what life is all about, true?
Lynn says: Eileen, if you have things you need to throw away, try giving them to an understanding friend to keep just in case . lol
Lynn says: in case you backslide.
Eileen says: figure if they are bad for me then they would be bad for my friend too
diane says: The fact that religion, when practiced too strictly, can set us apart from knowing ourselves
Lynn says: yep, I know that trip. You have my prayers.
crystal says: no necessary Eileen, sometimes it's could mean that we are not ready, our friends may
Eileen says: trying to get closer to God, no further away
Lynn says: Once, I threw my Bible in the dumpster and yelled at God, I don’t want you any more
diane says: The whole intent of the meditation is to get to know ourselves thoroughly
Lynn says: God laughed and hugged me. I’m a goner again. lol
Eileen says: wow. Lynn, guess you know you are truly loved
crystal says: is that what the vipassana is teaching Diane?
crystal says: to go inside of our own body to experience the true
diane says: that was my impression crystal
Eileen says: some of the Buddhist things I find a bit unsettling
diane says: this was 500 years before JC
Lynn says: Eileen, I would suggest you might do some real study on the HISTORY of the Bible.
Eileen says: why Lynn?
ron says: meditation, in time, will help you get rid of unneeded, unwanted material...even the little hindrances...and that can take quite a lot of time...must be patient and believe
diane says: I figure maybe if the Buddha knew of JC, he'd be more Christian
Lynn says: Also, for Cayce, The Bible says that the one who confesses that Christ came in the flesh is of God. Cayce confessed this. Cayce checks out positive on Bible tests.
crystal says: the vipassana practice is not about any religions or sects at all, it only teaches about the technique how to meditate to free and purify the mind
Eileen says: thanks Ron, practicing patience whew!!!
Eileen says: DIANNE!!!!!!! FOFL
Lynn says: If you study the history of the Bible, Eileen, you’ll find how much man interfered.
ron says: what do you want from a Capricorn
diane says: :-) @ Eileen
Lynn says: Eileen, Church said, either you do it my way or we will kill you in the name of the God of Love. check it out, Eileen. It might help.
Eileen says: but Lynn, Cayce says that it doesn't matter which bible you use, found out why
Lynn says: tell me more, Eileen
Eileen says: got that right Ron, oh master of patience
ron says: Saturn does have its positive characteristics...house position and/or/both sign included
Eileen says: as you read it, it talks to you, explaining the real of it
Lynn says: yes, Eileen. I think we should always ask Holy Spirit to explain before we read.
Eileen says: Saturn in the fifth, in Leo, along with Pluto
ron says: but that Profound Saturn can wait until another day
diane says: Amen to that Lynn
Eileen says: exactly what happens when I ask for understanding Lynn
ron says: would you say that Saturn is faithful?
Lynn says: Well, God talks to me but then he may give you feelings or insights.
Lynn says: The Holy Spirit is the teacher, the interpreter.
Eileen says: we’ll, as to faithfulness
Eileen says: amen, Lynn
ron says: but Venus may not be so faithful
Eileen says: right hand don’t' know what the left ones doing
diane says: unless it's in Capricorn
ron says: what would that depend on?
Lynn says: Try going into a quiet state, similar to meditation. Ask God a question. Then listen, perceive accept.
ron says: not necessarily so Diane....any house and sign
Lynn says: accept with caution in the beginning
Eileen says: all the time Lynn, then get amazed when the answers come, and they come from everywhere!
diane says: hmmmm . burst that bubble Ron. lol
Lynn says: OK, good? Then don’t be afraid to ask God to explain.
Eileen says: ron just doesn’t' want us to know how hot the blood runs
ron says: we can discuss at another time Diane....too many conversations going on at the same time for me
Eileen says: trying to hide behind that cautious Cap
Lynn says: And check Cayce out with Bible tests. When you find Cayce is real, reading Cayce can help.
diane says: ever watch the View, Ron? same thing
ron says: i would like to see what we get from your chart regarding Saturn Diane
ron says: but we will have to wait on that
diane says: me too!
ron says: don't forget to remind me Diane that’s all
diane says: k Ron. will do
ron says: no not at all Eileen...i can handle it
ron says: Neptune is the sixth planet outward from the Earth, counting Earth as number one. We find that the textbooks and readings agree in assigning mysticism and love of the sea to Neptune. Neptune is supposed to be the higher octave of Venus and is also associated with the arts. One magazine says that Neptune symbolizes compassion, the cinema, dreams, esthetic interests, liquor, gases, vapors, odors.
diane says: wide assortment of coverage there
ron says: McCaffery states that Neptune, like Venus, rules music; that it gives second sight and the gift of prophecy; it is diffuse, elusive, emotional, and mystical. "Neptune makes mystics, whereas Uranus makes occultists...Neptune's vibrations can give the composer in one
ron says: moment the whole of an opera. It will depend upon the rest of the chart whether this will be written in musical score, for Neptune of itself does not contribute any love of active hard work. The Neptunian inclines to be the dreamer."
ron says: We cite a few extracts from the readings which illustrate these points:
ron says: ...the soul and spirit took its flight...from that far away force as exercised in Neptune. Hence we have an entity that...will be peculiar to other people, rarely ever being understood; yet one with the spiritual insight of the developing in [the] earth plane, and one whom others would be, could be, benefited by, by being in contact with this entity. 2553-8
ron says: For the extremes of Uranus as well as Neptune are a portion of the entity's experience...
Lynn says: ought oh, I got Neptune rising
ron says: From Neptune we find that being close to waters, on waters, or about waters, is very well...and this also gives those abilities as the mystic - the interest in the unusual, as in the abilities of seeing, feeling, experiencing that which to most would be the unseen forces about the entity. These are well to be cultivated, not abused, not encouraged by giving
ron says: thought to what the reaction should be, but keep the spiritual import, the spiritual necessity - which has been a portion of the entity's experience through one of its sojourns, as one who accepted the veil. 2308-1
ron says: Neptune AND Uranus make for an interest in reading matter that is of unusual nature. Things that pertain to mysteries, or conditions in individuals' or groups' lives that are unusual, the uncanny and such...
ron says: And, for the better development of the entity, as it develops or progresses through the experiences of this sojourn, the dwelling near large bodies of water, or upon large bodies of water, will be the natural elements for the development; giving rise to the abilities both in the occult and in the mystic influences. 406-1
ron says: The following excerpt indicates that the soul entered from Neptune, with Uranus, Jupiter, and Mars influencing through the tendencies:
ron says: Hence the conditions as are exhibited in the present earth's plane in...love of the sea (see the body has gone to sea).
ron says: In the influence, then, we find one of many exceptional abilities.
ron says: One that is considered eccentric and peculiar, having many changeable moods.
ron says: One loving mystery, and every condition as regards...a mystery of the sea, and of the sleuth or detective nature.
ron says: One that should have been guided close in the study of those things pertaining to the mystery and the occult.
ron says: One who will find the...greatest abilities in the present earth's plane in the study of the occult forces. 2213-1
ron says: In Neptune we find the inclinations for things that have to do with water and over water and to be on waters...These then give an urge again, as through Saturn, for change of scene and change of environment - and the desire for travel...those things that are exciting...that pertain to the heroic and hero worship. This urge must ever be tempered, then, with directing the entity to the character of ideals... 1426-1
ron says: In the following, the entity entered from Neptune, which in the natal chart is located at 10 Virgo. According to orthodox astrology, a watery planet in an earth sign is more or less at home, although Neptune is positioned in a sign opposite the one it is supposed to rule, Pisces. All this is interesting in view of the reading.
ron says: the readings say that that the last planet that one entered the earth plane is determined by the highest planet in the chart...or closest to the MIDHEAVEN
ron says: that is, entered in, means the planet that one took flight before entering the earth plane
diane says: Pisces is my MIDHEAVEN
diane says: no
Myst says: I got Saturn.
diane says: MIDHEAVEN + Gemini
ron says: and that planet will have a major influence in the life...now guess what mine might be....I am into dreams, astrology, and meditation for many years...I’ll give you guys only one guess as to what planet that might be
Myst says: Neptune
ron says: and love the sea
ron says: :)
ron says: righto
diane says: Neptune
Myst says: Saturn might also be my love of the dark ones
ron says: now is there anyone else that might need some help here?
ron says: Diane...do you have Neptune as the highest planet in your chart?
diane says: how can i tell?
ron says: my Neptune is in the 9th house...what does the 9th house pertain to?...anyone know?
ron says: look to the top of the chart
ron says: Diane
Myst says: higher studies
Myst says: higher education
Myst says: journeys
Myst says: philosophy
ron says: right Lynn...religion and philosophy and that i take a mystical approach...
diane says: Neptune is in Libra, I think
Myst says: Neptune is my rising planet in sextile with Uranus
Myst says: no not sextile
Myst says: but good aspect
diane says: I have nothing in my ninth house
ron says: diane, you have Uranus at the top of your chart...what do you remember about this planet?
diane says: occult?
Myst says: I got Saturn and Uranus and part of fortune in ninth
diane says: more intellectual pursuits?
ron says: that is good Lynn...so you must use Neptune qualities in a positive manner...the tendency (by aspect) shows that you will...but can be used negatively such as drugs, laziness drinking etc
ron says: expect some trouble to enter into your life
Myst says: already is, used to it crisis equals opportunity as well as danger
ron says: Diane, yes...occult insight
ron says: etc
diane says: does it say anything about Uranus and a big mouth? lol
ron says: Uranus shows psychic insight if you wish to develop it Diane....you have a lot of originality and creativity
ron says: lol Diane...i refuse to answer that question for it may incriminate :)
diane says: All I need to do is use it occasionally, but it can disturb certain folks
ron says: Diane, you have a very independent nature and are not hesitant to express that verbally
Lynn says: Diane, sometimes disturbing is good. Move out of comfort zone so can grow.
ron says: very creative with words...yes Diane
diane says: Tends to get away from me if i don't control it...the verbal stuff
ron says: i think so Diane...you have to be aware of the sensitivity of others....choose words carefully if you disagree
ron says: and not to fly off the handle lol
diane says: lol Ron, I do my best. I dislike confrontation
ron says: you are very good with communications
ron says: any more thoughts at this time?...should i go on?
ron says: open chat for a bit...have fun
ron says: i happen to like this study of Uranus and Neptune....two of my favorite planets
Lynn says: mine also!
ron says: Here we find unusual conditions, especially owing to the long periods of interims between material sojourns. And thus...one that oft appears to be lost in confusions of itself; being highly sensitive to those influences from without.
ron says: confusion and sensitivity are some of the Neptunian characteristics as well
ron says: Thus. . . an entity whose psychic abilities - if they are developed - may surpass much of that which has been the experience of many...
diane says: ok
ron says: Hence the needs for the study, the directing, the instructing of the entity in the sources of spiritual (not spiritualistic, but spiritual) influences...
ron says: In the astrological aspects we find Neptune, Uranus, Venus and Saturn as the greater influence... Hence we will find the inclination for seeking the unusual places, strange conditions - taking up with and associating with strange surroundings, having strange playmates - the desire for [the] unusual in pets...
ron says: From the Neptune influences - keep away from large bodies of water! These are opposite from much of that accredited as an influence from the astrological aspects of Neptune; though those things that come from and over large bodies of water...will be of a great interest to the entity; and the knowledge of same should be a part of the entity's experience. 2005-1
ron says: what is meant here "keep away from large bodies of water"...is making reference to the astrological aspects...these aspects seem to indicate where one can experience difficulties...some aspects show favorable and unfavorable experiences
diane says: sounds complex to me
Lynn says: I have two aspects with Neptune one trine and one sextile
Lynn says: sextile moon, trine Uranus
ron says: but Neptune itself does show a love for the sea...water is also symbolic of the emotional, unconscious levels of our being...the soul level
Lynn says: I have an excellent and eccentric relationship with my subconscious and
ron says: sometimes when we release from the unconscious may be disturbing…that is why drugs etc when abused, can bring one problems in life
diane says: I have Neptune trine and sextile also
Lynn says: with what planets?
diane says: hmmm let me look
ron says: very good to have such helpful astrological aspects...they indicate past, previous memories, from earthly experiences have been used properly...
diane says: Pluto is one...the other is node (?)
Lynn says: I like what you say release from unconscious , disturbing interests me because I grow
Lynn says: north or south node? Probably north
diane says: just node...what is a node How do i tell if it's north or south?
ron says: but from my observations, we have the tendency to give in to some of these weak Neptunian tendencies...not necessarily to the extreme...but yet there are other aspects among the other planets that might get one into trouble
Lynn says: you talk about me, Ron, you talk about extreme lol
ron says: north node Diane is when the oval part is on top
diane says: North it is, then
Lynn says: What sign is your north node in , Diane
diane says: it's in Gemini
diane says: 10th house
ron says: there aren’t any perfect horoscopes...if there was a perfect chart you wouldn't be here.... as a matter of fact that is why you are here….you are struggling toward perfection
Lynn says: That means you’ve already done well in past lives regarding Sagittarius but you need to develop Gemini
diane says: Arrrgh! My ex is Gemini
Lynn says: Me I have north node in Virgo did well with Pisces already need earth lessons
ron says: i guess he was a help with your development of Gemini Diane :)
Lynn says: In times of trouble we turn to south node
Lynn says: Me, I’ll head for Pisces
diane says: ty for the info Lynn. Cool !
ron says: I’ll move on
ron says: From the Neptune influences - keep away from large bodies of water! These are opposite from much of that accredited as an influence from the astrological aspects of Neptune; though those things that come from and over large bodies of water...will be of a great interest to the entity; and the knowledge of same should be a part of the entity's experience. 2005-1
ron says: In the case of [4228] (see chart, p. 101), we find an interesting tie-in of Neptune with Arcturus, the greater Sun of our solar system. Please note that Mars and Septimus are afflicted; both are located in Cancer (if Septimus is Pluto, as we have reason to think). The language given here as to how the soul took its flight to Earth is unusual.
ron says: We find the soul and spirit entity took its flight, or its force being present and bringing this present entity's completeness, from...Venus's forces, with those of Jupiter, Mercury, Neptune being the ones in the assistance to the conditions bringing the forces to this present plane's development, with afflictions of those in Mars and in that of Septimus.
ron says: now, did you all get that?...now that is something else
ron says: Arcturus being in the greater force for this development upon this plane, [the soul] receiving then the greater force by the influence of Arcturus, with...the dwelling forces of Neptune. The Moon's forces being those that have brought, and will bring, many of the influences from the forces of Venus...
crystal says: sorta of Ron, but don't mind me......lol
Eileen says: Ron, question, have you been able to figure out our planets from the Cayce material?
diane says: ditto crystal...sort of
ron says: i have a greater understanding of the planets in regards the readings...but since I’m not in constant conversation with anyone i have a tendency to lose track of things....i also have a lot of other things on my mind as well....those troublesome things of daily life
Eileen says: is that in answer to me Ron?
ron says: yes Eileen
ron says: what i have been giving here has been a great help for me...clarified much for my understanding
ron says: As these, we find those inclinations:
ron says: With the strength of Jupiter forces, with that of Venus and Neptune...one given to letters, and of high exalted positions of self and all concerned therewith. Given to make show, or display, of that element that gives the greater expression of self. Hence, will must be directed, else with the influence of Venus's forces [it] would give detrimental elements in the life.
ron says: Jupiter forces with Venus and Neptune...is referring to the astrological aspects
ron says: referring to the negative relationship of Venus to Neptune (the subject of this discussion)
diane says: that sounds like a tough nut, ron...
Lynn says: OMG
ron says: One whose forces from...Mercury will turn in the middle portion of life to those elements pertaining to the chemical forces, with that of Arcturus's forces giving strength to the elements [that are] directed in the entity. 4228-1
Lynn says: What is Venus in?
ron says: Neptune, in the body's glandular system, is represented by the cells of Leydig or lyden.
Eileen says: another question Ron, how do we find our Arcturus?
ron says: the seat of the soul
ron says: which is belongs to the water element in astrology....leydig = water
Eileen says: forgive me Ron, a bit hyper today
ron says: interesting i think...especially its symbolic location
ron says: one step above the gonadic center
Lynn says: What part of the body, Ron?
Lynn says: ok
ron says: and one step down from the adrenals
Eileen says: never connected Neptune with the leydig
Lynn says: gonadic Neptune magick?
Eileen says: is making sense
ron says: like, before incarnation, the soul emerges from the collective unconscious (Pisces=water) to experience its individuality (Aries=fire=1st house)
Lynn says: interesting, spiritual astrology
diane says: It's all so harmonic
diane says: *Harmonic...lol
ron says: Neptune to lyden center
Lynn says: Then I emerged from Leo to use in Virgo?
ron says: the collective souls of what we call "Oneness"
Lynn says: ok
ron says: physical birth of Aries...or separation
Lynn says: Waaaaahh!
ron says: Aries = the beginning...a new start
ron says: the first sign of the zodiac
Eileen says: Neptune rules, in seventh house of Libra with Moon
diane says: My firstborn is an Aries. How ironic
Lynn says: This Scorpio was married to an Aries. bad bad bad for both of us
Eileen says: now what is that?
ron says: what type of partner and what the partner reflects your own personality
Lynn says: He reflected what I need to develop. Practical common sense
Lynn says: He just goofed up when he married me. lol
Eileen says: long time marriage to a Taurus, ruled by Venus
Eileen says: Venus in 12th
ron says: is that what happened Eileen, with your 7th house Neptune?
Eileen says: now I am confused!
ron says: well, Eileen, i have a 12th house Venus to...but you already know that
Eileen says: what Ron?
Lynn says: Hey, guys, I got Venus I Scorpio!!
Lynn says: lol
ron says: or am i speaking to Lynn regarding a 7th house Neptune?
Eileen says: uh oh, get out the fire hoses!
Lynn says: no, my Neptune is first house
ron says: lol Eileen
Lynn says: rising
Eileen says: no me, but what are you referring to as happening?
diane says: Venus in Capricorn for me
Eileen says: smart move di
Eileen says: marrying a Taurus?
ron says: would you say Diane, that you have a practical outlook on love and are a bit earthy yourself :)
Eileen says: just look at them hips Ron
ron says: enjoying the earthly pleasures of life
diane says: I'll never tell....ok...yeah
Eileen says: just playing di
ron says: lol Diane
diane says: funny Eileen. Touché
ron says: lol Eileen
diane says: too-shay
Eileen says: well, think she married that Scorpio, ya know
diane says: Indeed i did...2nd time around anyway
Eileen says: got Venus in Pisces so a shoe alcoholic, kinda little feet
Eileen says: love to dance though
ron says: END of Neptune for today...this was very interesting...i can repeat if you guys wish
Lynn says: Your classes are so enjoyable, Ron. That is my reality.
ron says: Venus in water Eileen...you must show a great emotional response with all your loving things :)
crystal says: thank you so much Ron, well done
diane says: so interesting...ty Ron
Eileen says: still trying to figure out what having Neptune connected with the leydig gland entails
Eileen says: too easily involved Ron, especially with the wrong kinds
ron says: here Eileen
ron says: the lyden center
Eileen says: presently picking us stuff I do not want to deal with, like other folks messes!
ron says: is given the color orange. it is the place of temptation, the seat of life. this is where we give life to what we create for selfish reasons (self-indulgent), or on a more positive level, or how we improve the life of others....this is where we give life to our concepts, our ideas and how we go about sustaining them....that is giving them life....this place, or seat of the soul
Eileen says: hmmm, Ron, just found out about it
ron says: should i start over with Neptune?
ron says: there’s not that much to it
Eileen says: we're all psychic Ron, so we get ya
ron says: yes Eileen i know how it is :)
Eileen says: yes, but am getting more Christian, and learning about the things we ain't suppose to mess with
diane says: psycho too, Eileen. lol
ron says: lol
Lynn says: Eileen, you have my deepest empathy.
Eileen says: hey, isn't that what I said, typo
crystal says: it's a technique to help one who practice it properly to live happily to free from all sufferings and misery in their daily life
Lynn says: I went from wonderful occult libraries to throwing them all in the trash can. For you Jesus
Lynn says: To recollecting, to throwing away,
Lynn says: What a confusion.
crystal says: the dis explains how and why this technique works
Eileen says: was hoping I wouldn't have to recollect Lynn
Lynn says: Started giving Crystals and other things to my best friend til I got out of Christian phase.
ron says: typical Neptunian behavior :)
Eileen says: who is it from crystal?
diane says: Well, the vispassana cd's did have a few remarks about religion that were , well. unsettling
Lynn says: But , now, through Cayce I can have both.
crystal says: it's my small way to share to give back to what this technique has given me
Eileen says: keeping my crystals, Lynn
Eileen says: per Cayce
Eileen says: just got his book on them, in fact
ron says: i enjoy your thoughts crystal...anytime you wish to share is alright with me
Eileen says: unsettling how, di
crystal says: thanks Ron, that's what life is all about, true?
Lynn says: Eileen, if you have things you need to throw away, try giving them to an understanding friend to keep just in case . lol
Lynn says: in case you backslide.
Eileen says: figure if they are bad for me then they would be bad for my friend too
diane says: The fact that religion, when practiced too strictly, can set us apart from knowing ourselves
Lynn says: yep, I know that trip. You have my prayers.
crystal says: no necessary Eileen, sometimes it's could mean that we are not ready, our friends may
Eileen says: trying to get closer to God, no further away
Lynn says: Once, I threw my Bible in the dumpster and yelled at God, I don’t want you any more
diane says: The whole intent of the meditation is to get to know ourselves thoroughly
Lynn says: God laughed and hugged me. I’m a goner again. lol
Eileen says: wow. Lynn, guess you know you are truly loved
crystal says: is that what the vipassana is teaching Diane?
crystal says: to go inside of our own body to experience the true
diane says: that was my impression crystal
Eileen says: some of the Buddhist things I find a bit unsettling
diane says: this was 500 years before JC
Lynn says: Eileen, I would suggest you might do some real study on the HISTORY of the Bible.
Eileen says: why Lynn?
ron says: meditation, in time, will help you get rid of unneeded, unwanted material...even the little hindrances...and that can take quite a lot of time...must be patient and believe
diane says: I figure maybe if the Buddha knew of JC, he'd be more Christian
Lynn says: Also, for Cayce, The Bible says that the one who confesses that Christ came in the flesh is of God. Cayce confessed this. Cayce checks out positive on Bible tests.
crystal says: the vipassana practice is not about any religions or sects at all, it only teaches about the technique how to meditate to free and purify the mind
Eileen says: thanks Ron, practicing patience whew!!!
Eileen says: DIANNE!!!!!!! FOFL
Lynn says: If you study the history of the Bible, Eileen, you’ll find how much man interfered.
ron says: what do you want from a Capricorn
diane says: :-) @ Eileen
Lynn says: Eileen, Church said, either you do it my way or we will kill you in the name of the God of Love. check it out, Eileen. It might help.
Eileen says: but Lynn, Cayce says that it doesn't matter which bible you use, found out why
Lynn says: tell me more, Eileen
Eileen says: got that right Ron, oh master of patience
ron says: Saturn does have its positive characteristics...house position and/or/both sign included
Eileen says: as you read it, it talks to you, explaining the real of it
Lynn says: yes, Eileen. I think we should always ask Holy Spirit to explain before we read.
Eileen says: Saturn in the fifth, in Leo, along with Pluto
ron says: but that Profound Saturn can wait until another day
diane says: Amen to that Lynn
Eileen says: exactly what happens when I ask for understanding Lynn
ron says: would you say that Saturn is faithful?
Lynn says: Well, God talks to me but then he may give you feelings or insights.
Lynn says: The Holy Spirit is the teacher, the interpreter.
Eileen says: we’ll, as to faithfulness
Eileen says: amen, Lynn
ron says: but Venus may not be so faithful
Eileen says: right hand don’t' know what the left ones doing
diane says: unless it's in Capricorn
ron says: what would that depend on?
Lynn says: Try going into a quiet state, similar to meditation. Ask God a question. Then listen, perceive accept.
ron says: not necessarily so Diane....any house and sign
Lynn says: accept with caution in the beginning
Eileen says: all the time Lynn, then get amazed when the answers come, and they come from everywhere!
diane says: hmmmm . burst that bubble Ron. lol
Lynn says: OK, good? Then don’t be afraid to ask God to explain.
Eileen says: ron just doesn’t' want us to know how hot the blood runs
ron says: we can discuss at another time Diane....too many conversations going on at the same time for me
Eileen says: trying to hide behind that cautious Cap
Lynn says: And check Cayce out with Bible tests. When you find Cayce is real, reading Cayce can help.
diane says: ever watch the View, Ron? same thing
ron says: i would like to see what we get from your chart regarding Saturn Diane
ron says: but we will have to wait on that
diane says: me too!
ron says: don't forget to remind me Diane that’s all
diane says: k Ron. will do
ron says: no not at all Eileen...i can handle it
