Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 28, 2006 13:52:44 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 02-26-06
ron says: THE CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA
ron says: church of brotherhood, right?
ron says: not an accident of course
ron says: for the Christ center
ron says: GLAND-Pineal VIRTUE-Open door FAULT-No faults VISION-Earthquake LORD'S PRAYER-Name PLANET-Mercury COLOR- Purple (pertaining to mind) (pertaining to space)
ron says: perfection...of course there wouldn't be any faults
ron says: an open door...brotherhood always has an open door...this door is open to all, right?
ron says: purple, the color of royalty, the color of kings
ron says: and mercury, the great messenger from above...the Great One with His message
ron says: This section relates to the activities of the pineal gland which has as its primary function the handling of the planetary influences from Mercury. However, a more important and broader function might be said to stem from this gland's connection with the cells of Leydig. The
ron says: readings state the connection between the cells of Leydig and the pineal gland (called the silver cord) may be called the seat of the soul. This connection, the first growth movement of a foetus, physically is described in the readings here:
The cord that is eventually known or classified as the pineal is the first movement that takes place of a physical nature through the act of conception; determining eventually - as we shall see - not only the physical stature of the individual entity but the mental capacity also, and the spiritual attributes. 281-46
ron says: One could almost say the total self is involved at this center of the endocrine system.
ron says: As for the planetary influence, the readings say: "as in Mercury, pertaining to mind." (900-10)
ron says: In addition to the planetary force working in the pineal, the dimension of space is recognized here. This is activated by the color indigo and deals with spatial relationships. The mind must find relationships between outside stimulus through the five senses and memories stored in the mind, as well as impulses from the psyche, or soul, and the instincts. Many of the activities of
ron says: this church (or gland) are found below, as well as throughout The Rev-elation - for ALL forces through the total entity operate through mind. The immense activity here is most notable when we consider the opening of the sixth seal found in Chapters 5 through 8, as well as those presentations about the mind actions running from Rev. 6: 12-17, all of Chapters 9-11, and in general the last half of the book.
ron says: Two of the things specifically relative to this particular section (verses 7-13) are EARTHQUAKES, that is, in consciousness, and the Name as used in the Lord's Prayer.
ron says: The earthquakes are simply the shaking up of the earthly consciousness (our concepts of our self-importance - our ego). As comprehension changes, new concepts appear when old ones no longer fit our life styles and habit patterns; the result is like an earthquake. Such a state usually represents a complete change of character or controlling circumstances in our life. What we have
ron says: the shaking up of our self-importance, our ego, our earthly consciousness
ron says: self-importance...hmmm....
ron says: The earthquakes are simply the shaking up of the earthly consciousness (our concepts of our self-importance - our ego). As comprehension changes, new concepts appear when old ones no longer fit our life styles and habit patterns; the result is like an earthquake. Such a state usually represents a complete change of character or controlling circumstances in our life. What we have
ron says: felt as secure and on firm foundation is completely broken up. Of this upheaval (earthquake) feeling the readings say:
ron says: Q-19. Pineal - UPHEAVALS?
ron says: A-19. Correct, but this would have to be RELATIVELY SO. For these are at those periods when, in the colors that these arise to - which are of the purple, they become rather such that there MUST BE THE DISSEMINATING or the giving away of the egoism of self. Consider as an example in thy study of same, the servant Moses. For these become as may be found even for and from that record as ye have, the stumbling block at Meribah. 281-29
ron says: About the use of the Lord's Prayer:
ron says: Q-22. Does the outline of the Lord's Prayer as placed on our chart have any bearing on the opening of the centers?
ron says: A-22. Here is indicated the manner in which it was given as the purpose for which it was given; not as an ONLY way but as a way that would answer for those that sought to be - as others - seekers for A way, AN understanding, to the relationships to the Creative Forces. It bears in relationships to this, then, the proper place.
ron says: Q-30. How should the Lord's Prayer be used in this connection?
ron says: A-30. As in feeling, as it were, the flow of the meanings of each portion of same throughout the body-physical. For as there is the response to the mental representations of all of these in the mental body, it may build into the physical body in the manner as He, thy Lord, thy Brother, so well expressed in, "I have bread ye know not of." 281-29
ron says: 7: And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth and no man openeth;
ron says: The angel here is the spirit of the planetary force in Mercury, which is any activity of mind. It is the mysterious alchemical god Mercurius to which many mysteries were attached. In my opinion it would take all the angels that could stand on the head of a pin to do the work assigned to this single one who sits in the seat of brotherly love in the church at Philadelphia.
ron says: It is connected with the seat of the soul in the body through the silver cord connecting the cells of Leydig with the pineal gland.
ron says: Historically (according to The Revelation of John, Barc1ay) Philadelphia was a small border town without a garrison founded by people from Pergamos. It had an "open door" policy so as to spread Greek ideas throughout the area. It has been presumed that this policy was the reason for the open door as a virtue of this church's activities. I believe the true answer is otherwise as we
ron says: will find under verse 8 below. "He that is holy" is certainly the Christ as exemplified by His love for all, in His brotherly love. The same applies to the rest of the verse.
ron says: The "key of David" refers to Isaiah 22:22, "And the Key of the House of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."
ron says: Here of course is a reference to the coming' 'father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah." (Isaiah 22:21) The real key may be hidden in the saying that David never made the same mistake twice. Also we should look at memory in this regard. He who remembers, knows, and no man can take away his memory. His memory cannot be shut off by another
cel has left #Fireside.
ron says: person. On the other hand we can shut a memory so far back into the darkness of forgetfulness that no man can get to it. In this vein memory seems to offer a valid understanding of what happens - as memory.
ron says: 8: I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man shall shut it; for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
ron says: Jesus as the Son of man had learned the workings of memory as none other. He also knew the workings of the Mercurian influences, the total MINDS of man, and their workings throughout the body, as well as the whole of the endocrine system.
ron says: "I have set before thee an open door" is the doorway to the past - the memory. No man can shut off the operation of memory; that is, no mind can shut itself to the receiving of memories. Even when one is under heavy sedation, the UNCONSCIOUS mind still knows. Yet memory has "little strength" to force us to act, but it has enough strength to hold fast and NOT deny the name
ron says: of the Christ nor the name of its Maker. This could well refer to one, such as Peter, who denies the NAME of Jesus; or it could just as well refer to one who denies remembering at all. It could also refer to the memory in Jesus himself - he held fast to the memory that he was the Son of man and the Christ regardless of what was done to him, to his name.
ron says: 9: Behold, I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know I have loved thee.
ron says: "Them of the synagogue of Satan" are ideas, urges, as well as people, which make false claims as to purposes - even to the self - which arise to the mind as memories.
ron says: "Which say they are Jews" are those remembered patterns of responses which come to mind and claim the right of expression. But hidden within the memory is a falseness which CAN be recognized by the mind. We cannot fool our minds; we can, however, through the ego, claim to be honest and fool even ourselves, but we cannot fool our memories - at least at the
ron says: UNCONSCIOUS level. There can be lies to the ego self but we do not get by with it at a deep level of memory.
ron says: "I will make them to come and worship before thy feet" calls to mind the law of meeting self; but here it also is true that what is hidden must come into openness in the final analysis. We must give credit to the memory as being unfoolable. Jesus came to love memory because by its use he came to be the Son of man.
ron says: His memory..remembered His beginnings is what i get
ron says: We must eventually acknowledge the lies to ourselves, for by these admissions we eventually will realize the good that comes to our understanding (the "worship before thy feet" means the acknowledgment of us being THEIR maker - their father). The sacrifice of our hidden motives is a growing experience, for whatsoever we sow we must reap. This way we can know that Christ
Roz says: where is this info from ron?
ron says: my soursce?..is from Everett Irion's publication on the Revelation
Roz says: oh okie thanks
ron says: loves us regardless of our self-indulgences. His love is usually wrapped in happenstances which time after time we reject and only in the long run come to acknowledge the good in them - for us. "Every knee shall bow."
ron says: "loves us regardless of our indugences"...seems to contridict somebodys preachings during some of the evening chats
ron says: 10: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
ron says: "The word of my patience" is the RESPONSIBILITY of keeping the memory pure and accepting the obligations which came to Jesus because of such memory. "My patience" is the measure of the (total) acceptance of responsibility which Jesus took in his final "hour of temptation."
ron says: There seems to be a shift of focus here from Jesus' memory to that of people in general. Yet this is really not so, for both are alluding to temptation and patience. Remember that the Lord's Prayer refers to "temptation" and "the Name" both. This seems to set up a kind of bargain between the first two sections: "because thou hast kept...I will keep," yet this is not the case here. Memory has
ron says: kept pure the word, the creative purpose, and responses; and Jesus is as if talking to another god or force, which he is (memory). The proper use of memory keeps the hour of temptation from hurting the participant. Remember the temptation in the wilderness when Jesus said to Satan, "Get thee behind me." We all must meet a final hour of temptation (eventually) just as Jesus did.
ron says: (I believe Jesus' final hour of temptation was neither in the wilderness nor in the Garden of Gethsemane, as we shall see later.)
ron says: We must not overlook the observation that" all the world" must meet such an hour. This relates to all people, and some such possibility is pointed to in Edgar Cayce's answer about the' 'second death." (281-37, A-7 and Rev. 20:14) If his answer is correct, and I believe it is, there must be reincarnation as well as evolution, as we learn just what we OUGHT to do - and do it.
ron says: 11: Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
ron says: "I come quickly" is saying that the spirit answers quickly to the spirit in which we "hold fast" to an ideal built on the ideas surrounding our memories. Either the Christ Spirit or the Holy Spirit
ron says: "Hold fast" refers to both the person and the memory - for memory is an activity of the mind.
ron says: "That no man take thy crown" is, again, a reference to FAITHFUL MEMORY. The crown is both the ability to remember and the holding fast in the face of meeting self and accepting responsibility for what happens to us - patience.
ron says: The crown, of course, is a symbol of power - but also of responsibility. The power to command performance and respect demands acceptance of responsibility both imposed and inherent.
ron says: 12: Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
ron says: The most potent of memories are spoken of here. The verse is not speaking of people as people; it is speaking of memories as if they were people. It must be remembered that memories are FIXED ideas in consciousness with which we identify as BEING US. We are responsible for them; and all in all they really ARE us.
ron says: In this context "him that overcometh" is ANY MEMORY which is strong and proper enough to become a pillar of strength among our automatic responses and hence one with the white stone in 2: 17.
ron says: These memories become such bulwarks of strength to other ideas when tested through various expressions as to be worthy, as "a pillar in the temple" of God. The BODY is the temple of God where we meet all we have created along our way toward becoming one with Him.
ron says: The memory patterns impressed upon memory cells - so as to remain true to their inherent response capabilities and in accord with the creative forces in the body - unfold as PILLARS OF STRENGTH among the body responses to whatever happens outside us, as it did in Jesus. This is what makes the stone white in Rev. 2:17, the pure memory response to the first cause. If the unfoldment is back to first cause then no memory is expressed, but the responses in the body are
ron says: from the pure spirit in the life forces themselves. Hence they, as memories, "go no more out." These cells then, as intelligences (for they have a mind of their own), should bear' 'the name of my God," and "the name of the city of my God," which is new Jerusalem. As we shall see later this is the name of a NEW UNDERSTANDING - even for the body cells themselves - a new experience for them as they express their new purposes.
ron says: "Which cometh down out of heaven from my God" is the new understanding (new directions) going to and through the cells them-selves as experience, the pure spirit of the purpose of "for others." They are impressed with the life force and its first cause. The phrase "coming from heaven" means not just from the conscious mind but from the universal life force. These cells and memories then bear the "new name" of the Son of man - for they ARE him.
ron says: 13: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
ron says: As explained under verse 12 above, when the cells of memory HEAR the Spirit - the first cause - then they can turn their attention to other stimuli from INSIDE and hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.
ron says: I consider it to be important to know that, in effect, a cell must be robbed of its memory assignments (from us) by our STANDING STILL (as in meditation) before happenings; otherwise we respond in habit patterns - the usual way. What is involved is an effort of letting be whatever is before us by the RELEASING of our hold on our memories, stopping their effects on our responses, and allowing the Spirit to cause NEW BODY RESPONSES.
ron says: Remember, hearing is by vibration arousing a reaction of memory patterns within the body cells. When the cells only hear those vibrations of creative, unadulterated forces moving through the body, they are hearing what the Spirit saith to all the cells in the body -and these comprise the churches.
ron says: In answering questions about the placement of the endocrine system glands in the chart in reference to the Lord's Prayer, a reading said this:
ron says: Q-22. Does the outline of the Lord's Prayer as placed on our chart have any bearing on the opening of the centers?
ron says: A-22. Here is indicated the manner in which it was given as to the purpose for which it was given; not as an only way but as a way that would answer for those that sought to be - as others - seekers for a way, an understanding, to the relationships to the Creative Forces. It bears in relationships to this, then, the proper place.
ron says: Q-24. Pineal - Name?
ron says: A-24. Relatively, yes. 281-29
ron says: A follow-up question brought the following lengthy, but most informative, philosophical discussion regarding our relationship to the creative forces in us. These statements about the planets should add quite a bit to our understanding of the CHURCHES' activities we are studying here, as well as giving us a glimmer of "in between lives" learning.
ron says: The statement in the last paragraph about us HAVING AN INFLUENCE UPON THE EXPERIENCES THROUGH WHICH WE ARE PASSING is so potent in meaning as to place a greater responsibility on us than most of us ever imagined; yet it is directly in line with a recent statement by scientist Gary Zukav that we may be responsible for the entire cosmos, not just for us.
ron says: Q-4. Please explain what was meant in reading of Oct. 28, regarding the "relative" connection of Name in the Lord's Prayer with the pineal gland.
ron says: A-4. This might occupy a whole period of several hours, if the full conclusion were to be given; but each must reach this. There is a Name to each soul. For He hath called His own by name! What name? All the names that may have been as a material experience through an earthly sojourn, or all the names that may have been through the experience of an entity in that environ
ron says: or those relative associations of Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, Saturn, Sun, Moon, or what! Or a Name that is above every name!
ron says: Then as has been indicated this becomes relative, as is signified in the indication as given to the number, which is of John's own. But as has been given, every influence - you see - is relative! Hence the name is relative to that which is accomplished by the soul in its sojourn throughout its whole experience; whether in those environs about this individual sphere or another - this
ron says: individual sphere meaning thine own sun, thine own planets with all of their attributes (does an earth mind comprehend such?) and it carried through with what is its relative force to that which has been or is the activity of the entity-soul (not a body now at all!) toward Constructive Force or God, or God's infinitive force to that integral activity of the soul in its sojourn. Hence it becomes
ron says: relative. And for the finite mind to say Jane, John, Joe, James or Jude would mean only as the vibrations of those bring the relative force or influence to which, through which an entity's sojourns have brought the concrete experience in anyone given or definite period of activity!
ron says: Was one named John by chance? Was one named Joe or Llewellyn by chance? No; they are relative! While it may be truly in the material plane relative because you have a rich aunt by that name, or relative because an uncle might be named that - but these carry then the vibrations of same; and in the end the name is the sum total of what the soul-entity in all of its vibratory forces has borne toward the Creative Force itself.
ron says: Hence each soul has a definite influence upon the experiences through which it may be passing. This ye have illustrated in thine own secret organizations, in thy papal activities in the religious associations, and in each vibration. For when ye have set a vibration by the activity of thy soul's force, ye are then either in parallel, in direct accord, or in opposition to constructive force -
ron says: whatever may be the position or activity of the soul in infinity. For ye 'are gods! But you are becoming devils or real gods! 281-30
ron says: END...time for a break
crystal says: thank you
ron says: i found a few things that i was able to comprehend...but i'm not able at this time to have a conversation...must think on them for awhile
ron says: of which i intend to do sometime today...
ron says: open chat
ron says: church of brotherhood, right?
ron says: not an accident of course
ron says: for the Christ center
ron says: GLAND-Pineal VIRTUE-Open door FAULT-No faults VISION-Earthquake LORD'S PRAYER-Name PLANET-Mercury COLOR- Purple (pertaining to mind) (pertaining to space)
ron says: perfection...of course there wouldn't be any faults
ron says: an open door...brotherhood always has an open door...this door is open to all, right?
ron says: purple, the color of royalty, the color of kings
ron says: and mercury, the great messenger from above...the Great One with His message
ron says: This section relates to the activities of the pineal gland which has as its primary function the handling of the planetary influences from Mercury. However, a more important and broader function might be said to stem from this gland's connection with the cells of Leydig. The
ron says: readings state the connection between the cells of Leydig and the pineal gland (called the silver cord) may be called the seat of the soul. This connection, the first growth movement of a foetus, physically is described in the readings here:
The cord that is eventually known or classified as the pineal is the first movement that takes place of a physical nature through the act of conception; determining eventually - as we shall see - not only the physical stature of the individual entity but the mental capacity also, and the spiritual attributes. 281-46
ron says: One could almost say the total self is involved at this center of the endocrine system.
ron says: As for the planetary influence, the readings say: "as in Mercury, pertaining to mind." (900-10)
ron says: In addition to the planetary force working in the pineal, the dimension of space is recognized here. This is activated by the color indigo and deals with spatial relationships. The mind must find relationships between outside stimulus through the five senses and memories stored in the mind, as well as impulses from the psyche, or soul, and the instincts. Many of the activities of
ron says: this church (or gland) are found below, as well as throughout The Rev-elation - for ALL forces through the total entity operate through mind. The immense activity here is most notable when we consider the opening of the sixth seal found in Chapters 5 through 8, as well as those presentations about the mind actions running from Rev. 6: 12-17, all of Chapters 9-11, and in general the last half of the book.
ron says: Two of the things specifically relative to this particular section (verses 7-13) are EARTHQUAKES, that is, in consciousness, and the Name as used in the Lord's Prayer.
ron says: The earthquakes are simply the shaking up of the earthly consciousness (our concepts of our self-importance - our ego). As comprehension changes, new concepts appear when old ones no longer fit our life styles and habit patterns; the result is like an earthquake. Such a state usually represents a complete change of character or controlling circumstances in our life. What we have
ron says: the shaking up of our self-importance, our ego, our earthly consciousness
ron says: self-importance...hmmm....
ron says: The earthquakes are simply the shaking up of the earthly consciousness (our concepts of our self-importance - our ego). As comprehension changes, new concepts appear when old ones no longer fit our life styles and habit patterns; the result is like an earthquake. Such a state usually represents a complete change of character or controlling circumstances in our life. What we have
ron says: felt as secure and on firm foundation is completely broken up. Of this upheaval (earthquake) feeling the readings say:
ron says: Q-19. Pineal - UPHEAVALS?
ron says: A-19. Correct, but this would have to be RELATIVELY SO. For these are at those periods when, in the colors that these arise to - which are of the purple, they become rather such that there MUST BE THE DISSEMINATING or the giving away of the egoism of self. Consider as an example in thy study of same, the servant Moses. For these become as may be found even for and from that record as ye have, the stumbling block at Meribah. 281-29
ron says: About the use of the Lord's Prayer:
ron says: Q-22. Does the outline of the Lord's Prayer as placed on our chart have any bearing on the opening of the centers?
ron says: A-22. Here is indicated the manner in which it was given as the purpose for which it was given; not as an ONLY way but as a way that would answer for those that sought to be - as others - seekers for A way, AN understanding, to the relationships to the Creative Forces. It bears in relationships to this, then, the proper place.
ron says: Q-30. How should the Lord's Prayer be used in this connection?
ron says: A-30. As in feeling, as it were, the flow of the meanings of each portion of same throughout the body-physical. For as there is the response to the mental representations of all of these in the mental body, it may build into the physical body in the manner as He, thy Lord, thy Brother, so well expressed in, "I have bread ye know not of." 281-29
ron says: 7: And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth and no man openeth;
ron says: The angel here is the spirit of the planetary force in Mercury, which is any activity of mind. It is the mysterious alchemical god Mercurius to which many mysteries were attached. In my opinion it would take all the angels that could stand on the head of a pin to do the work assigned to this single one who sits in the seat of brotherly love in the church at Philadelphia.
ron says: It is connected with the seat of the soul in the body through the silver cord connecting the cells of Leydig with the pineal gland.
ron says: Historically (according to The Revelation of John, Barc1ay) Philadelphia was a small border town without a garrison founded by people from Pergamos. It had an "open door" policy so as to spread Greek ideas throughout the area. It has been presumed that this policy was the reason for the open door as a virtue of this church's activities. I believe the true answer is otherwise as we
ron says: will find under verse 8 below. "He that is holy" is certainly the Christ as exemplified by His love for all, in His brotherly love. The same applies to the rest of the verse.
ron says: The "key of David" refers to Isaiah 22:22, "And the Key of the House of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."
ron says: Here of course is a reference to the coming' 'father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah." (Isaiah 22:21) The real key may be hidden in the saying that David never made the same mistake twice. Also we should look at memory in this regard. He who remembers, knows, and no man can take away his memory. His memory cannot be shut off by another
cel has left #Fireside.
ron says: person. On the other hand we can shut a memory so far back into the darkness of forgetfulness that no man can get to it. In this vein memory seems to offer a valid understanding of what happens - as memory.
ron says: 8: I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man shall shut it; for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
ron says: Jesus as the Son of man had learned the workings of memory as none other. He also knew the workings of the Mercurian influences, the total MINDS of man, and their workings throughout the body, as well as the whole of the endocrine system.
ron says: "I have set before thee an open door" is the doorway to the past - the memory. No man can shut off the operation of memory; that is, no mind can shut itself to the receiving of memories. Even when one is under heavy sedation, the UNCONSCIOUS mind still knows. Yet memory has "little strength" to force us to act, but it has enough strength to hold fast and NOT deny the name
ron says: of the Christ nor the name of its Maker. This could well refer to one, such as Peter, who denies the NAME of Jesus; or it could just as well refer to one who denies remembering at all. It could also refer to the memory in Jesus himself - he held fast to the memory that he was the Son of man and the Christ regardless of what was done to him, to his name.
ron says: 9: Behold, I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know I have loved thee.
ron says: "Them of the synagogue of Satan" are ideas, urges, as well as people, which make false claims as to purposes - even to the self - which arise to the mind as memories.
ron says: "Which say they are Jews" are those remembered patterns of responses which come to mind and claim the right of expression. But hidden within the memory is a falseness which CAN be recognized by the mind. We cannot fool our minds; we can, however, through the ego, claim to be honest and fool even ourselves, but we cannot fool our memories - at least at the
ron says: UNCONSCIOUS level. There can be lies to the ego self but we do not get by with it at a deep level of memory.
ron says: "I will make them to come and worship before thy feet" calls to mind the law of meeting self; but here it also is true that what is hidden must come into openness in the final analysis. We must give credit to the memory as being unfoolable. Jesus came to love memory because by its use he came to be the Son of man.
ron says: His memory..remembered His beginnings is what i get
ron says: We must eventually acknowledge the lies to ourselves, for by these admissions we eventually will realize the good that comes to our understanding (the "worship before thy feet" means the acknowledgment of us being THEIR maker - their father). The sacrifice of our hidden motives is a growing experience, for whatsoever we sow we must reap. This way we can know that Christ
Roz says: where is this info from ron?
ron says: my soursce?..is from Everett Irion's publication on the Revelation
Roz says: oh okie thanks
ron says: loves us regardless of our self-indulgences. His love is usually wrapped in happenstances which time after time we reject and only in the long run come to acknowledge the good in them - for us. "Every knee shall bow."
ron says: "loves us regardless of our indugences"...seems to contridict somebodys preachings during some of the evening chats
ron says: 10: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
ron says: "The word of my patience" is the RESPONSIBILITY of keeping the memory pure and accepting the obligations which came to Jesus because of such memory. "My patience" is the measure of the (total) acceptance of responsibility which Jesus took in his final "hour of temptation."
ron says: There seems to be a shift of focus here from Jesus' memory to that of people in general. Yet this is really not so, for both are alluding to temptation and patience. Remember that the Lord's Prayer refers to "temptation" and "the Name" both. This seems to set up a kind of bargain between the first two sections: "because thou hast kept...I will keep," yet this is not the case here. Memory has
ron says: kept pure the word, the creative purpose, and responses; and Jesus is as if talking to another god or force, which he is (memory). The proper use of memory keeps the hour of temptation from hurting the participant. Remember the temptation in the wilderness when Jesus said to Satan, "Get thee behind me." We all must meet a final hour of temptation (eventually) just as Jesus did.
ron says: (I believe Jesus' final hour of temptation was neither in the wilderness nor in the Garden of Gethsemane, as we shall see later.)
ron says: We must not overlook the observation that" all the world" must meet such an hour. This relates to all people, and some such possibility is pointed to in Edgar Cayce's answer about the' 'second death." (281-37, A-7 and Rev. 20:14) If his answer is correct, and I believe it is, there must be reincarnation as well as evolution, as we learn just what we OUGHT to do - and do it.
ron says: 11: Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
ron says: "I come quickly" is saying that the spirit answers quickly to the spirit in which we "hold fast" to an ideal built on the ideas surrounding our memories. Either the Christ Spirit or the Holy Spirit
ron says: "Hold fast" refers to both the person and the memory - for memory is an activity of the mind.
ron says: "That no man take thy crown" is, again, a reference to FAITHFUL MEMORY. The crown is both the ability to remember and the holding fast in the face of meeting self and accepting responsibility for what happens to us - patience.
ron says: The crown, of course, is a symbol of power - but also of responsibility. The power to command performance and respect demands acceptance of responsibility both imposed and inherent.
ron says: 12: Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
ron says: The most potent of memories are spoken of here. The verse is not speaking of people as people; it is speaking of memories as if they were people. It must be remembered that memories are FIXED ideas in consciousness with which we identify as BEING US. We are responsible for them; and all in all they really ARE us.
ron says: In this context "him that overcometh" is ANY MEMORY which is strong and proper enough to become a pillar of strength among our automatic responses and hence one with the white stone in 2: 17.
ron says: These memories become such bulwarks of strength to other ideas when tested through various expressions as to be worthy, as "a pillar in the temple" of God. The BODY is the temple of God where we meet all we have created along our way toward becoming one with Him.
ron says: The memory patterns impressed upon memory cells - so as to remain true to their inherent response capabilities and in accord with the creative forces in the body - unfold as PILLARS OF STRENGTH among the body responses to whatever happens outside us, as it did in Jesus. This is what makes the stone white in Rev. 2:17, the pure memory response to the first cause. If the unfoldment is back to first cause then no memory is expressed, but the responses in the body are
ron says: from the pure spirit in the life forces themselves. Hence they, as memories, "go no more out." These cells then, as intelligences (for they have a mind of their own), should bear' 'the name of my God," and "the name of the city of my God," which is new Jerusalem. As we shall see later this is the name of a NEW UNDERSTANDING - even for the body cells themselves - a new experience for them as they express their new purposes.
ron says: "Which cometh down out of heaven from my God" is the new understanding (new directions) going to and through the cells them-selves as experience, the pure spirit of the purpose of "for others." They are impressed with the life force and its first cause. The phrase "coming from heaven" means not just from the conscious mind but from the universal life force. These cells and memories then bear the "new name" of the Son of man - for they ARE him.
ron says: 13: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
ron says: As explained under verse 12 above, when the cells of memory HEAR the Spirit - the first cause - then they can turn their attention to other stimuli from INSIDE and hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.
ron says: I consider it to be important to know that, in effect, a cell must be robbed of its memory assignments (from us) by our STANDING STILL (as in meditation) before happenings; otherwise we respond in habit patterns - the usual way. What is involved is an effort of letting be whatever is before us by the RELEASING of our hold on our memories, stopping their effects on our responses, and allowing the Spirit to cause NEW BODY RESPONSES.
ron says: Remember, hearing is by vibration arousing a reaction of memory patterns within the body cells. When the cells only hear those vibrations of creative, unadulterated forces moving through the body, they are hearing what the Spirit saith to all the cells in the body -and these comprise the churches.
ron says: In answering questions about the placement of the endocrine system glands in the chart in reference to the Lord's Prayer, a reading said this:
ron says: Q-22. Does the outline of the Lord's Prayer as placed on our chart have any bearing on the opening of the centers?
ron says: A-22. Here is indicated the manner in which it was given as to the purpose for which it was given; not as an only way but as a way that would answer for those that sought to be - as others - seekers for a way, an understanding, to the relationships to the Creative Forces. It bears in relationships to this, then, the proper place.
ron says: Q-24. Pineal - Name?
ron says: A-24. Relatively, yes. 281-29
ron says: A follow-up question brought the following lengthy, but most informative, philosophical discussion regarding our relationship to the creative forces in us. These statements about the planets should add quite a bit to our understanding of the CHURCHES' activities we are studying here, as well as giving us a glimmer of "in between lives" learning.
ron says: The statement in the last paragraph about us HAVING AN INFLUENCE UPON THE EXPERIENCES THROUGH WHICH WE ARE PASSING is so potent in meaning as to place a greater responsibility on us than most of us ever imagined; yet it is directly in line with a recent statement by scientist Gary Zukav that we may be responsible for the entire cosmos, not just for us.
ron says: Q-4. Please explain what was meant in reading of Oct. 28, regarding the "relative" connection of Name in the Lord's Prayer with the pineal gland.
ron says: A-4. This might occupy a whole period of several hours, if the full conclusion were to be given; but each must reach this. There is a Name to each soul. For He hath called His own by name! What name? All the names that may have been as a material experience through an earthly sojourn, or all the names that may have been through the experience of an entity in that environ
ron says: or those relative associations of Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, Saturn, Sun, Moon, or what! Or a Name that is above every name!
ron says: Then as has been indicated this becomes relative, as is signified in the indication as given to the number, which is of John's own. But as has been given, every influence - you see - is relative! Hence the name is relative to that which is accomplished by the soul in its sojourn throughout its whole experience; whether in those environs about this individual sphere or another - this
ron says: individual sphere meaning thine own sun, thine own planets with all of their attributes (does an earth mind comprehend such?) and it carried through with what is its relative force to that which has been or is the activity of the entity-soul (not a body now at all!) toward Constructive Force or God, or God's infinitive force to that integral activity of the soul in its sojourn. Hence it becomes
ron says: relative. And for the finite mind to say Jane, John, Joe, James or Jude would mean only as the vibrations of those bring the relative force or influence to which, through which an entity's sojourns have brought the concrete experience in anyone given or definite period of activity!
ron says: Was one named John by chance? Was one named Joe or Llewellyn by chance? No; they are relative! While it may be truly in the material plane relative because you have a rich aunt by that name, or relative because an uncle might be named that - but these carry then the vibrations of same; and in the end the name is the sum total of what the soul-entity in all of its vibratory forces has borne toward the Creative Force itself.
ron says: Hence each soul has a definite influence upon the experiences through which it may be passing. This ye have illustrated in thine own secret organizations, in thy papal activities in the religious associations, and in each vibration. For when ye have set a vibration by the activity of thy soul's force, ye are then either in parallel, in direct accord, or in opposition to constructive force -
ron says: whatever may be the position or activity of the soul in infinity. For ye 'are gods! But you are becoming devils or real gods! 281-30
ron says: END...time for a break
crystal says: thank you
ron says: i found a few things that i was able to comprehend...but i'm not able at this time to have a conversation...must think on them for awhile
ron says: of which i intend to do sometime today...
ron says: open chat
