Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 6, 2006 15:36:52 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 02-06-06
(02:16:03) (ron) THE CHURCH IN THYATIRA
(02:16:18) (ron) GLAND-thymus VIRTUE-Charity VISION-Pale horse FAULT-Fornication LORD’S
(02:16:42) (ron) PRAYER-Evil PLANET-Venus ELEMENT-Air BEASTLY SYMBOL-Eagle COLOR-Green
(02:17:27) (Roz) there is a chart put out by the ARe th is real clear
(02:17:39) (ron) Each of the forces or influences play a great part in the activities of each of us. Some of the specific ones not having a direct reference to the verses relative to the church as mentioned in the following comments.
(02:17:58) (ron) The activity of the planetary influence of Venus here shows somewhat a heavy load for this church to carry. Perhaps it is because we are more conscious of the dichotomies of love/hate or self/others and fight for our heart's desires. Certainly the thymus gland is not IN the heart but all will agree it is at the heart of the self - us.
(02:18:45) (ron) Venus, the force of love, is marvelous to contend with - it seems perfectly ambivalent according to our responses, showing on the one hand a tender loving care and on the other a death-dealing jealousy and hatred, morbid self-love or complete selflessness, even to self-sacrifice. There is little wonder that the color of the horse (Rev. 6) is a pale one for we color our responses however we wish.
(02:19:28) (ron) It is here that the impulse for fornication is given to the mind, for it involves our selfish indulgences; and in like manner it is the seat of impulses for evil as in the Lord's Prayer when we would be delivered from evil. These impulses are stirred by memories and desires of self-gratifications as we air or give vent to our habits as stimulated by self's wants. By allowing such
(02:20:04) (ron) habit patterns of memories to be enacted through the body we show just what images (ideals) are the rulers of us - or, just what thought forms are INCARNATE in us. We have given our images (based on memories) the right to express through us. They have a life - ours - which we gave them, or, perhaps I should say, THEY ARE LIVING OUR LIFE, rather than we. Therefore the
* Retrieving #Fireside modes...
(02:20:51) (ron) air we breathe (in the complex activities of earth, water, fire and air) gives them our own life; and they, our own created images, are the real spirits INCARNATE in us. We placidly stand aside and watch our thought forms live our life. We quit living a free life when we become the slave of our memories - in fact, when we become the worshiper of our idols. Thus it is that many of us actually
(02:21:27) (ron) live our lives vicariously through our idols (ideas) which we have accepted as criteria for most of our responses one to another.
(02:21:55) (ron) Yet this center is the seat of the ego - also of the self - but the conscious self is just the ego. When we speak of ME we point to our heart area; we also say "in my heart I am . . . etc."
(02:22:28) (ron) The spectrum color at this endocrine level is green (and not the pale horse color), and this, of course, relates to growth or change. The green here really is the CHRIST PRINCIPLE - the activity is for self or others, and ultimately requires the sacrifice of self - the ego - for the greater ruling influence of love - "for others." But here we are speaking of the FORCES working through our awareness at the thymus center.
(02:23:31) (ron) That this center (the thymus) is the seat of the self, from which we can ONLY BE SAVED, will be unveiled as we move along, but we will also find later that this same self is a busy girl.
(02:23:59) (ron) 18: And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet like fine brass;
(02:24:21) (ron) The angel here may well be compared with the ancient goddess of love - Venus; and the ancient stories about her seem very much a living part of us even today. But also refer to the general comments under 2:17 above. Of Venus Edgar Cayce says:
(02:24:58) (ron) Venus...is what may be said to be rather ALL-inclusive! For it is that ye would call love - which, to be sure, may be licentious and selfish; [but] which also may be so large, so inclusive as to take on the less of self and more of the ideal, more of that which is GIVING. 5755-1
(02:25:34) (ron) Venus...is what may be said to be rather ALL-inclusive! For it is that ye would call love - which, to be sure, may be licentious and selfish; [but] which also may be so large, so inclusive as to take on the less of self and more of the ideal, more of that which is GIVING. 5755-1
(02:26:16) (ron) While the city of Thyatira is said to have been a city of not much importance (it having only a small garrison and in fact only an outpost of the city of Pergamos) the message is the longest to any of the angels. Surely the church deserved it.
(02:26:55) (ron) The "Son of God" is the source of the message here while in 1: 13 the giver of the message was called the Son of man. This difference may well be appreciated when we consider that the Christ was (and is) the FIRST Son of God.
(02:27:36) (ron) The real self (or a soul) is in the process of becoming equal with, but separate from the Father. By being "saved from self" we may be a companion with God. Then we too will recognize ourselves to be Sons of God - and I believe the Christ is recognizing that here.
(02:28:12) (ron) The "eyes like unto a flame of fire" is the same description as above in 1:14 and later in 19:16. Both, I feel, refer to the zeal and justice of the Savior for his mission.
(02:28:35) (ron) He also had "feet like fine brass" which is the purified understanding. (See also 1: 15 above.)
(02:28:51) (ron) 19: I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
(02:29:23) (ron) Christ is here speaking of the works of the force of love in man, as was known and revealed by God to the entity who became Jesus (the Son of man). The first "I know thy works" relates to
(02:29:59) (ron) the works in man (and Jesus) BEFORE he became the Son of man. After he became the Son of man he then, through the love of the FIRST CAUSE, was able to do LAST works in man (the entity) and saved self from self. This was the "last works" mentioned as being greater than all other works, like charity, service, etc. Thus were the last works more than the first.
(02:30:58) (ron) Having experienced the totality of earthly involvements, Jesus would obviously know all about the activities at this level. Thus it is that after becoming the Son of man Jesus experienced the last works. In this the ego was sacrificed and the entity became one with the Creative Forces in the earth plane by reason of their expressions through him and thus enabled him to say' 'I do nothing
(02:31:45) (ron) of myself; but as my Father hath taught me . . ." (John 8:28) Incidentally, this quote from Jesus indicates that the first verse of The Revelation is correct in that God revealed to Jesus what He wanted him to do.
(02:32:07) (ron) 20: Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
(02:32:26) (Qrious) thats exacty what is written.. what was revealed to the son by the father.. interesting.
(02:32:44) (ron) This complaint reveals what Jesus learned about this center that he needed to pass on to us and accounts for the phrase "a few things against thee." These few things include the activity of the ego as we indulge the self even as Jezebel (II Kings) did. It is the ego (or Jezebel) which, in effect, teaches the planetary forces to commit fornication (remember I believe that fornication is not the
(02:33:22) (ron) same as adultery). This has the effect of directing the earth's forces into unnatural (selfish) actions which are opposed to the intent and purpose of the principles inherent in the forces themselves. It is the self-indulgences rather than the idea of "for others" in service. (We are our brother's
(02:33:51) (ron) keeper.) We, being models for self-indulgences, lead others astray by our example - thus teach and seduce the servants (the planetary forces) to commit the wrongful acts spoken of here.
(02:34:18) (ron) The eating of "things sacrificed to idols" is in the same context as that of the bread in the Lord's Prayer - the things we digest. In this instance they were and are the sacrifices, in self, of what we OUGHT TO DO in order to justify what WE WANT TO DO. We do this in order to feed our
(02:34:46) (Qrious) to busy girl after other Gods.. was what Jezebel brought to the Israelites.. with hubby Ahab in tow. ..
(02:34:47) (ron) own egos, to indulge the self even if it comes to the misuse of the natural body forces. We sacrifice the ideals and purposes which are inherent parts of our memories (our selves, our ideas) for our newly created ideas which we then allow to rule us.
(02:35:25) (ron) 21: And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
(02:35:41) (ron) Here is an interesting concept - space is used as if it were interchangeable with time. We normally would say "gave her TIME to repent" but giving SPACE seems a little odd. If we, however, consider REPENT to mean RE-THINK we may more clearly comprehend the meaning. Since(02:36:11) (ron) space is the MEASURE OF UNDERSTANDING THE PURPOSE OF AN IDEA, the implication of re-think seems to fit better than the word repent, for it involves our understanding of relationships.
(02:36:43) (ron) Hence a sense of understanding the purpose of a thought form we create and hold to should be of paramount concern to us, especially in view of verses 19 and 20. The self must be responsible for its own thoughts and creations, for we are learning to be creators "for others" whether we know it or not.
(02:37:14) (ron) In the light of the use of space to re-think the form and purpose of our indulgences - our fornications - the mercy of the gift of space is usually ignored by all. Whoever thought of space being other than just what it seems to be - the distance between things? Must we also re-think our concepts of all natural things? Regarding space as a gift, we might look again at the story of creation as given in Genesis.
(02:37:29) (Qrious) the renewing of the mind.. is how its talked about.
(02:38:00) (Qrious) by Paul as was revealed to him by Jesus..
(02:38:10) (ron) Again, in view of our long held (fixed) ideas, those we accept and those we create - our response patterns for self - it is easy to understand the phrase "she re-thought not." We too do not re-think our habit patterns. Much re-thinking might well be done about this verse, for we usually do not re-think what the results might be from using the body forces for our desires. They, the forces,
(02:38:51) (ron) appear to be ours to do with as we choose, but do we consider the results upon us as distinguished from our bodies?
(02:39:11) (ron) It seems that the indulgent self, Jezebel, wants what it wants and chooses to re-think not. We like to indulge the earth forces just as we did in the beginning, in Eden. But the self has the ability to do for self or others through relationships (space) if only we so choose. We do have free will.
(02:39:49) (ron) 22: Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
(02:40:12) (ron) The old saying "you made your bed, now lie in it" is a correct concept here. The indulgent self, Jezebel, is promised the results of her not using the space provided in verse 21. If we adulterate
(02:40:27) (ron) the life forces we must reap the resultant distortions in the body -for the body reflects perfectly what we do to it. We MUST live with what we do to ourselves.
(02:41:06) (ron) The body forces, as well as ideas and purposes, must be brought to trials and tribulations. Our creations must be tested in the fires of justice for purification. They must be weighed in the balances and found not wanting, literally found to be WITHOUT WANTS (ours). The burdens we place on the earth's forces by reason of our desires are almost beyond comprehension, for these forces are intelligences - senses - just as we are. Consider what Edgar Cayce said of this:
(02:41:08) (Qrious) if you lust after her, you have commited adultery already.
(02:41:48) (ron) Q-6. In this the period of the great tribulation spoken of in Revelation, or just the beginning, and if so just can we help ourselves and others to walk more closely with God?
(02:41:59) (Lynn) Oh, God! Now I have to be an ascetic! ok, could I have sugar ONCE a week? lol
(02:42:25) (ron) A-6. The great tribulation and periods of tribulation, as given, are the experiences of every soul, every entity. They arise from influences created by man through activity in the sphere of any sojourn. Man may become, with the people of the universe, ruler of any of the various spheres
(02:42:54) (Qrious) no Lynn... lol
(02:43:10) (ron) "arise from influences created by man," the BED (the justification) comes into play; and whatever is indulged in must grow to fruition before we can fully realize the result - we must DIGEST it.
(02:43:13) (Lynn) well, I´ll try it. Dang. I will.
(02:43:48) (ron) Here again we are called upon to re-think (repent) just what we are SLEEPING WITH, that is, what we are or have indulged in. The thing is that we are "cast into a bed" BY US - for the law was set before the beginning when God said, "Let US make man in OUR IMAGE," and that image is "FOR OTHERS." Being" CAST INTO A BED" indicates sudden and unexpected karma, like the saying, "You made your bed, now lie in it."
(02:44:00) (Qrious) so we must reap what is sown in our hearts.?
(02:44:27) (ron) 23: And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and the hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
(02:44:45) (Lynn) I´ll be ascetic in everything. For one week. Dang!
(02:44:54) (ron) The promise here is that the Christ Spirit (for others), which is in us at all times (symbolized by the color green in the life force), will cleanse our memories of the thought forms we need to get rid of (when we allow it to happen) - and thus to save us from self's own created consciousness. This in effect is what "kill her children with death" means, for the self's images have no life of their own.
(02:45:07) (Qrious) the image is for others.. thats different.
(02:45:39) (ron) Since the endocrine system is one system, acting as one, all the churches know what goes on throughout the body.
(02:45:56) (ron) The Christ Spirit searches all response areas in memory and thus knows the' 'reins and hearts" of the self. The reins are not just the restraints we put on ourselves - our thought forms - but
(02:46:13) (ron) those built into ourselves by reason of the admixture of forces we use to form whatever ideas we use for response stimulus. The reins may well be primarily our desires which guard what we want.
(02:46:51) (ron) We use building blocks to block the changes we need to make in consciousness (we create our own hard heads). The reins, of course, also relate to the ideas in the vibrations we set in motion, and here again we find that the intelligence (the Christ Consciousness) in light (green) knows all ideas in us.
(02:46:55) (Qrious) whatsoever a man thinketh in his heart.
(02:47:00) (WalksInSpirit) In the Farmer's Zodiac, the Reins are the groin area.
(02:47:50) (ron) The hearts which are searched out are, of course, the purposes behind whatever we do - the heart of the matter. "I will give according to your works" has nothing to do with that received after death. We are not saved by works. It does have to do with the "influences created by man through
(02:48:11) (Qrious) probably meant to keep the animalistic urges in check Walks.. just a guess.
(02:48:24) (ron) activity in the sphere of any sojourn." (281-16) This simply says that we will be given exactly what we build in any place or time we find ourselves, and we receive what we build - for we must all learn to create with the Creative Force as a higher mind would do.
(02:48:32) (Lynn) St. Francis help me! lol
(02:48:54) (Qrious) nothing to do with after death... thats different also.
(02:48:54) (ron) 24: But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
(02:49:24) (ron) "The rest of Thyatira" means the cells of memory which are not involved in response patterns which are for self. The memory cells referred to here have not participated in the doctrine promulgated by Jezebel, and "have not known the depths of Satan," the depths to which we indulge the self. As the memory cells speak their responses to the call for an indulgent reaction
(02:50:00) (ron) pattern of thought, upon these cells no other burden will be placed. This means that no other memory or way to react will be impressed upon these particular memory cells. "As they speak" also refers to each cell, when called upon to respond, when they are in attune with the stimulus which reaches the brain and when the life force moving through the body seeks attunement in memory to prior imprints for reactions.
(02:50:50) (Qrious) sounds like a spiritual catharsis.
(02:50:55) (ron) Thus, each memory cell raises its hand so to speak, when it is in attune with a stimulus or request for an answer - as a memory.
(02:51:28) (ron) 25: But that which ye have already hold fast till I come:
(02:51:43) (ron) Again we have the promise of no other burden. The memory cells are, in effect, asked NOT TO RESPOND to anything other than what is already impressed upon them. However, it is also possible that the idea is NOT TO RESPOND so that the response pattern already held -the vibrational response chord, built into the cell (as memory) -will be still when called upon to speak its memory. This concept is implied in "hold fast till I come."
(02:16:18) (ron) GLAND-thymus VIRTUE-Charity VISION-Pale horse FAULT-Fornication LORD’S
(02:16:42) (ron) PRAYER-Evil PLANET-Venus ELEMENT-Air BEASTLY SYMBOL-Eagle COLOR-Green
(02:17:27) (Roz) there is a chart put out by the ARe th is real clear
(02:17:39) (ron) Each of the forces or influences play a great part in the activities of each of us. Some of the specific ones not having a direct reference to the verses relative to the church as mentioned in the following comments.
(02:17:58) (ron) The activity of the planetary influence of Venus here shows somewhat a heavy load for this church to carry. Perhaps it is because we are more conscious of the dichotomies of love/hate or self/others and fight for our heart's desires. Certainly the thymus gland is not IN the heart but all will agree it is at the heart of the self - us.
(02:18:45) (ron) Venus, the force of love, is marvelous to contend with - it seems perfectly ambivalent according to our responses, showing on the one hand a tender loving care and on the other a death-dealing jealousy and hatred, morbid self-love or complete selflessness, even to self-sacrifice. There is little wonder that the color of the horse (Rev. 6) is a pale one for we color our responses however we wish.
(02:19:28) (ron) It is here that the impulse for fornication is given to the mind, for it involves our selfish indulgences; and in like manner it is the seat of impulses for evil as in the Lord's Prayer when we would be delivered from evil. These impulses are stirred by memories and desires of self-gratifications as we air or give vent to our habits as stimulated by self's wants. By allowing such
(02:20:04) (ron) habit patterns of memories to be enacted through the body we show just what images (ideals) are the rulers of us - or, just what thought forms are INCARNATE in us. We have given our images (based on memories) the right to express through us. They have a life - ours - which we gave them, or, perhaps I should say, THEY ARE LIVING OUR LIFE, rather than we. Therefore the
* Retrieving #Fireside modes...
(02:20:51) (ron) air we breathe (in the complex activities of earth, water, fire and air) gives them our own life; and they, our own created images, are the real spirits INCARNATE in us. We placidly stand aside and watch our thought forms live our life. We quit living a free life when we become the slave of our memories - in fact, when we become the worshiper of our idols. Thus it is that many of us actually
(02:21:27) (ron) live our lives vicariously through our idols (ideas) which we have accepted as criteria for most of our responses one to another.
(02:21:55) (ron) Yet this center is the seat of the ego - also of the self - but the conscious self is just the ego. When we speak of ME we point to our heart area; we also say "in my heart I am . . . etc."
(02:22:28) (ron) The spectrum color at this endocrine level is green (and not the pale horse color), and this, of course, relates to growth or change. The green here really is the CHRIST PRINCIPLE - the activity is for self or others, and ultimately requires the sacrifice of self - the ego - for the greater ruling influence of love - "for others." But here we are speaking of the FORCES working through our awareness at the thymus center.
(02:23:31) (ron) That this center (the thymus) is the seat of the self, from which we can ONLY BE SAVED, will be unveiled as we move along, but we will also find later that this same self is a busy girl.
(02:23:59) (ron) 18: And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet like fine brass;
(02:24:21) (ron) The angel here may well be compared with the ancient goddess of love - Venus; and the ancient stories about her seem very much a living part of us even today. But also refer to the general comments under 2:17 above. Of Venus Edgar Cayce says:
(02:24:58) (ron) Venus...is what may be said to be rather ALL-inclusive! For it is that ye would call love - which, to be sure, may be licentious and selfish; [but] which also may be so large, so inclusive as to take on the less of self and more of the ideal, more of that which is GIVING. 5755-1
(02:25:34) (ron) Venus...is what may be said to be rather ALL-inclusive! For it is that ye would call love - which, to be sure, may be licentious and selfish; [but] which also may be so large, so inclusive as to take on the less of self and more of the ideal, more of that which is GIVING. 5755-1
(02:26:16) (ron) While the city of Thyatira is said to have been a city of not much importance (it having only a small garrison and in fact only an outpost of the city of Pergamos) the message is the longest to any of the angels. Surely the church deserved it.
(02:26:55) (ron) The "Son of God" is the source of the message here while in 1: 13 the giver of the message was called the Son of man. This difference may well be appreciated when we consider that the Christ was (and is) the FIRST Son of God.
(02:27:36) (ron) The real self (or a soul) is in the process of becoming equal with, but separate from the Father. By being "saved from self" we may be a companion with God. Then we too will recognize ourselves to be Sons of God - and I believe the Christ is recognizing that here.
(02:28:12) (ron) The "eyes like unto a flame of fire" is the same description as above in 1:14 and later in 19:16. Both, I feel, refer to the zeal and justice of the Savior for his mission.
(02:28:35) (ron) He also had "feet like fine brass" which is the purified understanding. (See also 1: 15 above.)
(02:28:51) (ron) 19: I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
(02:29:23) (ron) Christ is here speaking of the works of the force of love in man, as was known and revealed by God to the entity who became Jesus (the Son of man). The first "I know thy works" relates to
(02:29:59) (ron) the works in man (and Jesus) BEFORE he became the Son of man. After he became the Son of man he then, through the love of the FIRST CAUSE, was able to do LAST works in man (the entity) and saved self from self. This was the "last works" mentioned as being greater than all other works, like charity, service, etc. Thus were the last works more than the first.
(02:30:58) (ron) Having experienced the totality of earthly involvements, Jesus would obviously know all about the activities at this level. Thus it is that after becoming the Son of man Jesus experienced the last works. In this the ego was sacrificed and the entity became one with the Creative Forces in the earth plane by reason of their expressions through him and thus enabled him to say' 'I do nothing
(02:31:45) (ron) of myself; but as my Father hath taught me . . ." (John 8:28) Incidentally, this quote from Jesus indicates that the first verse of The Revelation is correct in that God revealed to Jesus what He wanted him to do.
(02:32:07) (ron) 20: Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
(02:32:26) (Qrious) thats exacty what is written.. what was revealed to the son by the father.. interesting.
(02:32:44) (ron) This complaint reveals what Jesus learned about this center that he needed to pass on to us and accounts for the phrase "a few things against thee." These few things include the activity of the ego as we indulge the self even as Jezebel (II Kings) did. It is the ego (or Jezebel) which, in effect, teaches the planetary forces to commit fornication (remember I believe that fornication is not the
(02:33:22) (ron) same as adultery). This has the effect of directing the earth's forces into unnatural (selfish) actions which are opposed to the intent and purpose of the principles inherent in the forces themselves. It is the self-indulgences rather than the idea of "for others" in service. (We are our brother's
(02:33:51) (ron) keeper.) We, being models for self-indulgences, lead others astray by our example - thus teach and seduce the servants (the planetary forces) to commit the wrongful acts spoken of here.
(02:34:18) (ron) The eating of "things sacrificed to idols" is in the same context as that of the bread in the Lord's Prayer - the things we digest. In this instance they were and are the sacrifices, in self, of what we OUGHT TO DO in order to justify what WE WANT TO DO. We do this in order to feed our
(02:34:46) (Qrious) to busy girl after other Gods.. was what Jezebel brought to the Israelites.. with hubby Ahab in tow. ..
(02:34:47) (ron) own egos, to indulge the self even if it comes to the misuse of the natural body forces. We sacrifice the ideals and purposes which are inherent parts of our memories (our selves, our ideas) for our newly created ideas which we then allow to rule us.
(02:35:25) (ron) 21: And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
(02:35:41) (ron) Here is an interesting concept - space is used as if it were interchangeable with time. We normally would say "gave her TIME to repent" but giving SPACE seems a little odd. If we, however, consider REPENT to mean RE-THINK we may more clearly comprehend the meaning. Since(02:36:11) (ron) space is the MEASURE OF UNDERSTANDING THE PURPOSE OF AN IDEA, the implication of re-think seems to fit better than the word repent, for it involves our understanding of relationships.
(02:36:43) (ron) Hence a sense of understanding the purpose of a thought form we create and hold to should be of paramount concern to us, especially in view of verses 19 and 20. The self must be responsible for its own thoughts and creations, for we are learning to be creators "for others" whether we know it or not.
(02:37:14) (ron) In the light of the use of space to re-think the form and purpose of our indulgences - our fornications - the mercy of the gift of space is usually ignored by all. Whoever thought of space being other than just what it seems to be - the distance between things? Must we also re-think our concepts of all natural things? Regarding space as a gift, we might look again at the story of creation as given in Genesis.
(02:37:29) (Qrious) the renewing of the mind.. is how its talked about.
(02:38:00) (Qrious) by Paul as was revealed to him by Jesus..
(02:38:10) (ron) Again, in view of our long held (fixed) ideas, those we accept and those we create - our response patterns for self - it is easy to understand the phrase "she re-thought not." We too do not re-think our habit patterns. Much re-thinking might well be done about this verse, for we usually do not re-think what the results might be from using the body forces for our desires. They, the forces,
(02:38:51) (ron) appear to be ours to do with as we choose, but do we consider the results upon us as distinguished from our bodies?
(02:39:11) (ron) It seems that the indulgent self, Jezebel, wants what it wants and chooses to re-think not. We like to indulge the earth forces just as we did in the beginning, in Eden. But the self has the ability to do for self or others through relationships (space) if only we so choose. We do have free will.
(02:39:49) (ron) 22: Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
(02:40:12) (ron) The old saying "you made your bed, now lie in it" is a correct concept here. The indulgent self, Jezebel, is promised the results of her not using the space provided in verse 21. If we adulterate
(02:40:27) (ron) the life forces we must reap the resultant distortions in the body -for the body reflects perfectly what we do to it. We MUST live with what we do to ourselves.
(02:41:06) (ron) The body forces, as well as ideas and purposes, must be brought to trials and tribulations. Our creations must be tested in the fires of justice for purification. They must be weighed in the balances and found not wanting, literally found to be WITHOUT WANTS (ours). The burdens we place on the earth's forces by reason of our desires are almost beyond comprehension, for these forces are intelligences - senses - just as we are. Consider what Edgar Cayce said of this:
(02:41:08) (Qrious) if you lust after her, you have commited adultery already.
(02:41:48) (ron) Q-6. In this the period of the great tribulation spoken of in Revelation, or just the beginning, and if so just can we help ourselves and others to walk more closely with God?
(02:41:59) (Lynn) Oh, God! Now I have to be an ascetic! ok, could I have sugar ONCE a week? lol
(02:42:25) (ron) A-6. The great tribulation and periods of tribulation, as given, are the experiences of every soul, every entity. They arise from influences created by man through activity in the sphere of any sojourn. Man may become, with the people of the universe, ruler of any of the various spheres
(02:42:54) (Qrious) no Lynn... lol
(02:43:10) (ron) "arise from influences created by man," the BED (the justification) comes into play; and whatever is indulged in must grow to fruition before we can fully realize the result - we must DIGEST it.
(02:43:13) (Lynn) well, I´ll try it. Dang. I will.
(02:43:48) (ron) Here again we are called upon to re-think (repent) just what we are SLEEPING WITH, that is, what we are or have indulged in. The thing is that we are "cast into a bed" BY US - for the law was set before the beginning when God said, "Let US make man in OUR IMAGE," and that image is "FOR OTHERS." Being" CAST INTO A BED" indicates sudden and unexpected karma, like the saying, "You made your bed, now lie in it."
(02:44:00) (Qrious) so we must reap what is sown in our hearts.?
(02:44:27) (ron) 23: And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and the hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
(02:44:45) (Lynn) I´ll be ascetic in everything. For one week. Dang!
(02:44:54) (ron) The promise here is that the Christ Spirit (for others), which is in us at all times (symbolized by the color green in the life force), will cleanse our memories of the thought forms we need to get rid of (when we allow it to happen) - and thus to save us from self's own created consciousness. This in effect is what "kill her children with death" means, for the self's images have no life of their own.
(02:45:07) (Qrious) the image is for others.. thats different.
(02:45:39) (ron) Since the endocrine system is one system, acting as one, all the churches know what goes on throughout the body.
(02:45:56) (ron) The Christ Spirit searches all response areas in memory and thus knows the' 'reins and hearts" of the self. The reins are not just the restraints we put on ourselves - our thought forms - but
(02:46:13) (ron) those built into ourselves by reason of the admixture of forces we use to form whatever ideas we use for response stimulus. The reins may well be primarily our desires which guard what we want.
(02:46:51) (ron) We use building blocks to block the changes we need to make in consciousness (we create our own hard heads). The reins, of course, also relate to the ideas in the vibrations we set in motion, and here again we find that the intelligence (the Christ Consciousness) in light (green) knows all ideas in us.
(02:46:55) (Qrious) whatsoever a man thinketh in his heart.
(02:47:00) (WalksInSpirit) In the Farmer's Zodiac, the Reins are the groin area.
(02:47:50) (ron) The hearts which are searched out are, of course, the purposes behind whatever we do - the heart of the matter. "I will give according to your works" has nothing to do with that received after death. We are not saved by works. It does have to do with the "influences created by man through
(02:48:11) (Qrious) probably meant to keep the animalistic urges in check Walks.. just a guess.
(02:48:24) (ron) activity in the sphere of any sojourn." (281-16) This simply says that we will be given exactly what we build in any place or time we find ourselves, and we receive what we build - for we must all learn to create with the Creative Force as a higher mind would do.
(02:48:32) (Lynn) St. Francis help me! lol
(02:48:54) (Qrious) nothing to do with after death... thats different also.
(02:48:54) (ron) 24: But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
(02:49:24) (ron) "The rest of Thyatira" means the cells of memory which are not involved in response patterns which are for self. The memory cells referred to here have not participated in the doctrine promulgated by Jezebel, and "have not known the depths of Satan," the depths to which we indulge the self. As the memory cells speak their responses to the call for an indulgent reaction
(02:50:00) (ron) pattern of thought, upon these cells no other burden will be placed. This means that no other memory or way to react will be impressed upon these particular memory cells. "As they speak" also refers to each cell, when called upon to respond, when they are in attune with the stimulus which reaches the brain and when the life force moving through the body seeks attunement in memory to prior imprints for reactions.
(02:50:50) (Qrious) sounds like a spiritual catharsis.
(02:50:55) (ron) Thus, each memory cell raises its hand so to speak, when it is in attune with a stimulus or request for an answer - as a memory.
(02:51:28) (ron) 25: But that which ye have already hold fast till I come:
(02:51:43) (ron) Again we have the promise of no other burden. The memory cells are, in effect, asked NOT TO RESPOND to anything other than what is already impressed upon them. However, it is also possible that the idea is NOT TO RESPOND so that the response pattern already held -the vibrational response chord, built into the cell (as memory) -will be still when called upon to speak its memory. This concept is implied in "hold fast till I come."
