Post by WalksInSpirit on Jan 23, 2006 16:10:07 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 01-23-06
(02:19:09) (ron) ok, i finished with Ephesus last week. ...but i am going to another text from the ARE on the same subject...for the second hour, i will be doing astrology and the readings
(02:19:21) (Blu) Cool Ron
(02:19:45) (WalksInSpirit) Sounds good, Ron!
(02:19:59) (ron) i guess, i'll start now
(02:20:09) (Solya) yes, please.
(02:21:26) (ron) CHURCH = Ephesus [1]
(02:21:44) (ron) VIRTUE = Patience, FAULTS = Left First Love, SEAL = 1, VISION = White Horse,
(02:22:07) (ron) SPIRITUAL CENTERS GLANDS = Gonads (Desire), LORD'S PRAYER = Bread
(02:22:33) (ron) Chapter 2
(02:22:34) (Qrious) Is that dude on the white horse with a bow in his hand ron?
(02:22:56) (ron) 1. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
(02:23:13) (ron) Symbology: ANGEL OF EPHESUS - Mind cell or intelligence governing gonads.
(02:23:31) (ron) Symbology: HE WITH 7 STARS - Overself or superconscious.
(02:24:16) (ron) 2. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
(02:24:39) (ron) 3. And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
(02:24:56) (ron) 4. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
(02:25:06) (ron) Symbology: FIRST LOVE - Spiritual ideal - purpose.
(02:25:44) (ron) 5. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
(02:26:08) (ron) 6. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
(02:26:20) (ron) Symbology: NICOLAITANS - Cells in this center (in this case,. the gonads) that have degenerated through misuse and lascivious practices.
(02:27:01) (ron) 7. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
(02:27:23) (ron) Symbology: TREE OF LIFE - The function of supply, healing, and growth, the power of regeneration as
(02:28:34) (ron) manifested through the endocrine system perfectly synchronized.
(02:29:08) (ron) Symbology: PARADISE OF GOD - The original consciousness of man, before he came into matter, and to which he will return.
(02:29:55) (ron) now, should i backup?...i'm just about thru with this closing on the church of Ephesus
(02:30:31) (Blu) up to merri
(02:30:45) (merri) keep going ron
(02:31:01) (ron) ok
(02:31:29) (ron) this is commentary is coming from the ARE's The Revelation...
(02:31:56) (ron) In verse 1, Chapter 2, the OVERSELF is speaking, pointing out to John the need for a cleansing and purifying of the forces of the gonads.
(02:32:24) (ron) 2. The OVERSELF is aware of the efforts of the intelligence found here to regulate and guard itself against destructive activities and pursuits, but says that the original purpose of this center has been lost. The mind cell is urged to bring about a return to the original purpose quickly, or
(02:32:52) (ron) lose its intelligence entirely. (This would mean degeneration to the point of animalist1c function of this center, instinctual but without intelligence.)
(02:33:14) (merri) aahhhh
(02:33:32) (merri) but what does the OVERSELF represent?
(02:33:52) (merri) is it the superconscious?
(02:33:57) (ron) yes
(02:34:01) (ron) 7. In this verse the OVERSELF gives a clue to the great riddle of the TREE OF LIFE referred to in the Book of Genesis, a riddle of the ages in the western world.
(02:34:07) (Solya) the high self, perhaps?
(02:34:40) (ron) John is told that anyone who can regain control of this center could bring about within his body and mind, as well as in his worldly circumstances, complete restoration of the law of healing and supply.
(02:34:40) (merri) ok
(02:35:08) (Blu) that is amazing
(02:35:21) (ron) now, i can continue with the next church
(02:35:45) (Solya) OMG, these are directions I have been receiving and applying and I am getting results in healing Lady Michel´s body.
(02:36:14) (Solya) You are delighting me with confirmation.
(02:36:22) (ron) THE CHURCH IN SMYRNA
(02:36:42) (ron) VIRTUE-Suffering VISION-Black horse FAULT-Insincerity LORD’S PRAYER-Temptation
(02:37:06) (ron) PLANET-Neptune BEASTLY SYMBOL-Man ELEMENT-Water EARTHLY INFLUENCE-
(02:37:45) (ron) isn't this center considered to be the Seat of the Soul?...is that true?
(02:38:02) (ron) Sustenance MENTAL PROCESS-Time COLOR-Orange
(02:38:43) (ron) This church has many facets to its body of activity just as did the church of Ephesus. With suffering as a virtue, we suffer the results of having given our life to the images we build (at the gonad-level) and send forth to others via a black horse to weigh their worth in the scales of time.
(02:39:58) (ron) Their value is whether they are weighted for self or "for others." It is this MEASUREMENT of our concepts, of their worth, and of us, which proves the ancient saying that man is the measure of all things.
(02:41:04) (Roz) patience is the virtue of Ephesus
(02:41:11) (ron) The "mystic" of Neptune (water) allows us to pass our life on to images which in turn rule us. The measure of time is the measure of our understanding of the worth, the value, of our ideas that we have formed into whatever patterns we desire. We comprehend this evaluation process through the sense of the color orange. This color arises because of the interplay between the spirit (energy
(02:41:54) (ron) = red) and the concept (idea = yellow) which is stored in memory and activated through the adrenal complex. We use our memories as platforms, or patterns for response; and, since we have created them, our expression of them is the ESSENCE OF OUR BEING. We be our memories which in total make up our temperaments by which we are known.
(02:43:05) (Roz) and the fact that these two have cells that are interstical
(02:43:28) (ron) The cells of Leydig are located in the gonads and in the adrenals, hence the weighing (time) between the two points of creation, and thus their expression calls for their uncertain or unknown value to be carried on a black horse. (Rev. 6:5)
(02:44:32) (ron) The lyden is almost necessarily a seat of temptation as we give life value to what form we create - whether to self's advantage or "for others."
(02:45:12) (ron) The choice is ever set before us so that we eventually must come to realize the meaning of "good and evil, life and death; choose thou." (262-119)
(02:45:36) (ron) It should be easy to understand why man is the' 'beast" associated with the lyden cells as so placed in the chart in Chapter 5, Part I. In similar fashion it should be clear why "sustenance" is
(02:45:47) (Qrious) so.. like water .. it takes the form of whatever vessel you place it in?
(02:45:57) (Roz) black horse=balance cebrospinal &sympathetic nervous systems
(02:46:34) (ron) also associated with the lyden activity. The life - from the sea (Neptune) as well as the life we give to our images - SUSTAINS both us and our creations.
(02:47:26) (ron) 8: And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
(02:47:49) (ron) This shows the source of the message about the activities that go on at the lyden center, the church in Smyrna. The life in the entity which became the Son of man was as dead (to the impulses from the memories of first-causes) but since Jesus' regeneration, he is now alive. Remember, the regeneration comes about by removal of the impressions we implanted in the memory cells of the body.
(02:48:28) (ron) 9: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
(02:49:03) (ron) The "works" here is similar to that in verse 2 above. The phrase is repeated in each of the messages to the churches. In each instance it is relative to the operation of the corresponding planetary force even though the results are different as evidenced within the messages. All the "works," of course, are within the context of the activities of the endocrine system.
(02:49:05) (Solya) Perhaps this is a tie in with the Saturn sojourn, the removal of the impressions we implanted in the memory cells of the body.
(02:49:51) (ron) The' 'tribulations" resulting from reactions to or from choices made certainly can be most trying, as we have noted in our discussion regarding the operation of the total endocrine system. The temptations, choices and life we give up for our created images can sorely try us as we find ourselves UNBALANCED in the scales of the man on the black horse.
(02:50:51) (Solya) and who is this man on the black horse, please?
(02:51:06) (ron) Some may have wondered about the "poverty" of this Neptunian life force. But the force itself is not involved as the focus of poverty. The point is that we must give up a portion of our life to the images WE created. The poverty is also THE LITTLE BIT OF LIFE WE GIVE THEM.
(02:51:16) (Qrious) I learned that the works... refered to the teaching of Jesus,Peter,Acts, etc.. to repent.
(02:51:25) (ron) the intelligence governing a particuklar center
(02:52:37) (ron) In effect we dole out a portion of our life according to our choices of how much we think the images are worth - their value. The force itself will not override our choices; hence there is the poverty of what the life force is allowed to do either for us or for our images. Our choices are POOR ones. Neptune, as an intelligent force (an angel), is in effect robbed of the life he gave to
(02:53:18) (ron) us - for us. It, the angel as a creative force, is poor in total activity for the influences are set aside, by us, as we give a portion of our life to our thought forms which then live in us.
(02:53:58) (Solya) And if the energies invested in these diverse thought forms was brought into harmony what would be the effect?
(02:53:59) (ron) Then Neptune as an entity can only watch and vicariously experience OUR life in its split-up fashion. There is no ONENESS to our life. Many facets of character vie for their various shares of our total life. Somebody has to feel gypped, orphaned and poverty-stricken. Yet Neptune is RICH
(02:54:35) (ron) simply because his is the SEAT OF LIFE, and this is worth all else. This seat has been indicated to be the seat of the soul in the body through its direct connection to the pineal gland via the silver cord, hence the angel and its activities are indeed rich and perhaps so as no other center.
(02:55:06) (Solya) I think it is not necessary for any of our thought forms to be gypped providing we use mana to send to high self and allow high self to flood all of itself with immeasurable energies.
(02:55:22) (Qrious) interesting sayings ron.
(02:56:01) (ron) "The blasphemy of them which say they are Jews" is quite simply the efforts on our part to knowingly give life to a lie, claiming we are seeking the truth or blaming another when we are guilty. This is blasphemy, for we know it to be what it is but disclaim our own knowledge even to ourselves. These images rightfully belong to and are the synagogue of Satan. The choices for self
(02:56:31) (ron) we clothe in the finest of garments of self-deceit, but all must be weighed by the justice in the scales of time. The devilish penchant for deceit lies lurking in the darkest comers of memory.
(02:57:43) (ron) 10: Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
(02:58:23) (ron) First we are asked not to fear the sufferings we meet in life - or rather that which the life force meets in the various situations and memories we form and give life to as the life force does its job. It may be (and is) used by us for self-indulgences, not just for creating the forms and images we make. We must suffer us to do to us what we choose - we must use our free will and make
(02:58:30) (Solya) To own and rephrase, the darkest suffering is a blessing.
(02:59:01) (ron) choices. We should remember the direction given to Satan regarding Job: "Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand." (Job 1: 12)
(02:59:19) (Solya) Thus, upon recognition, souls cast themselves into Saturn.
(02:59:46) (Solya) and count it joy.
(03:00:23) (ron) Second, we are told that "the devil shall cast some of you into prison." This prison is not an ordinary jailhouse type of confinement, nor is it like our natural conditions when we are subject to the earth's forces or to the three dimensions of consciousness; it is, though, an imposition placed naturally upon us, and is the result of our self-indulgences one way or another. It could, in some in-stances, be called karma, and perhaps rightly so in all cases.
(03:01:20) (ron) A perfect illustration of this casting into prison and the subsequent tribulation for ten days is found in reading 281-38 in the question about the mixing of the races. The result is a period of ten generations which “is required for the cycle of activity in the glandular force of reproduction to reassert itself."
(03:01:51) (ron) Now we should consider Satan for a moment: Satan was originally an archangel in heaven (Rev. 12:7) and has power to hurt and INFLUENCE man to do evil (as in 281-37, A-4: "The desire to do evil is only in him"). Hence it may be seen that Satan may influence man to such a degree that he himself will be caught in the fulfilling of the law so as to literally be in jail for longer periods of
(03:02:21) (ron) time and suffer tribulations never expected, all from some indulgent act; or perhaps yet purely from love for another as we treat all men equally, there still is the returning to first principles (281-38).
(03:03:05) (ron) Such a condition is a life situation regarding the original purposes of the Neptunian force in us. By reason of the temptations we meet (and this also means self-temptation which the Lord's Prayer alludes to), we sometimes fall into the clutches of the involutionary forces in the body and perhaps place undue strain on the endocrine system (for example, the imprisonment of emotional
(03:03:36) (ron) memories at the cellular level). The readings had this to say, "The glandular forces then are ever akin to the sources from which, through which, the soul dwells within the body." (281-38)
(03:04:20) (ron) In the memory situation the life force in the body's memory cells is disturbed and adulterated from its original purpose, and the result is carried on until met properly. In the race illustration the life force of the races is adulterated, and cast into prison - into a mixture of the evolving life forces themselves (which are separate activities - AS FORCES) so that the natural cleansing forces must do their work in us where the adulteration took place.
(03:05:17) (ron) "Be thou faithful unto death" means just that, but not the death of our life, rather the DEATH OF OUR MEMORIES which can only occur as we become, or grow toward becoming, the Son of man. Hence the death spoken of is a death to our own being away from our own First Cause.
(03:06:00) (ron) "I will give thee a crown of life" is the result of our overcoming the life temptation forces (in some words, the Satanic), which are sometimes so deeply laid in the instinctive mind that we do not know they are there. But by our memories which cause our responses we can discover them and thus have an opportunity to disown them - to repent, or rethink our responses. The' 'crown of life"
(03:06:39) (ron) is, of course, seen in all its glory in Chapter 22 (so please be patient, we are only at the beginning of this Revelation study). We should by now, from what we have considered so far, begin to gain a better concept of how we break the commandment against adultery - and also .perhaps gain a better understanding of just why Jesus placed such emphasis on it.
(03:08:04) (ron) 11: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
(03:09:00) (ron) "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death" is a promise regarding our becoming a Son of man. This idea of a second death will be met again in Rev. 21:8 which I feel is a more appropriate place to discuss the idea further. Except that we all are as dead to our real selves, we must be resurrected from this death (by knowing and doing what we OUGHT to do as Jesus
(03:09:34) (ron) said); and THEN we must go through a FINAL TEMPTATION during which we are subject to FALLING AGAIN, which would be a second death. (281-37)
(03:09:52) (ron) END
(03:09:57) (ron) take a break
(03:10:11) (ron) i found this week to be a very difficult study
(03:10:17) (Solya) thank you, ron.
(03:11:04) (Solya) And the fall of princes is catastrophic!
(03:11:16) (ron) just today i started to break down Ephesus into a simpler understanding for myself...but, i'm wondering about that
(03:12:18) (merri) it is alot to take in and understand, making the different connections
(03:12:50) (ron) have you wondered why religious groups weear caps?...is it to keep a certain kind of energy from escaping out from the head...symbolically at leasst?...or keep a particular energy from entering thru the head?
(03:12:50) (Solya) I stagger, so this is it. So be it.
(03:13:13) (Solya) There is a chakra directly above the head, ron.
(03:13:20) (Leon) Thank you ron-- the journey is worth it
(03:13:20) (Qrious) well.. In Ephesus.. the first love is in reference to Jer.2;1,2...that might help ya ron.
(03:13:26) (Solya) Through this chakra God power can be drawn into the body.
(03:13:33) (ron) yes, solya, i'm aware of this
(03:14:00) (Solya) Perhaps the authorites want to close off the power from high self through chakra to body self.
(03:14:04) (Solya) Thus hats.
(03:14:22) (merri) that is interesting ron
(03:14:27) (Solya) What do you thihnk ron?
(03:15:03) (ron) this certain kind of energy enter as a pure white light thru the lowest center, and is then symbolically given the color red meaning Desire...and so on upwards...and now i come back to those religious head gear, or caps
(03:15:21) (Solya) jthat´s the upward. From body to God.
(03:15:32) (Solya) There is another flow if gained. From God to body
(03:15:45) (Solya) That his spirit may dwell within us.
(03:16:07) (Solya) It should cycle , low to high self for mana gift, high self to body for renewa.l and regeneration.
(03:16:24) (ron) head gear in practical life is known as a protective measure
(03:16:40) (Solya) As you will.
(03:17:14) (ron) how about taking that into dream symbols
(03:17:23) (ron) now astrology and the readings
(03:18:00) (ron) THE GREAT PLAN OF SOUL EVOLUTION
(03:18:12) (Qrious) good comparison.. head gear and protective measure..
(03:18:24) (ron) The word cosmogony is used to describe theories of the physical origin or generation of the universe, and many respectable scientists indulge in such conjecture. Their theories vary, but guesses concerning the unknown are considered academically acceptable when scientists are guessing.
(03:19:14) (ron) Cosmology, on the other hand, means the philosophy of the nature and first principles of the universe. Physical scientists generally decline to comment on these unknowns, leaving such speculation to philosophers and calling it metaphysics. But why was the universe made? What is the meaning behind the creation of so many suns and solar systems, stars,
(03:19:42) (Qrious) signs and seasons?
(03:19:52) (ron) galaxies, nebulae? What is the purpose of our own solar system? Are there others with the same purpose? What is the relationship of our own solar system to others? And most important to us: What is our relationship to these various systems? Or why, essentially, do we exist?
(03:20:15) (ron) for some reason, this text seems so much easier to understasnd (at least, for the moment).....:)
(03:21:02) (ron) These are questions that preoccupy the philosopher and theologian alike, and the answers are suggested in the life readings given by Edgar Cayce. In these records humanity's relationship to its solar system is shown as a plan for soul evolution that is vast and inspiring in scope. According to this information, humans are very personally related to
(03:21:31) (ron) their limited universe, our solar system. We are caught up in its purpose, and it is involved in our purpose for being here. There is interaction between individuals on Earth and the planets, Sun, and Moon. We influence them, they influence us. This influence is somewhat different from what is taught by traditional astrology.
(03:22:59) (ron) so, that seems to imply to me, that each existing solar system has its own "purpose"
(03:23:18) (Qrious) sounds like we are interconnected.
(03:23:33) (Solya) I believe you are correct.
(03:23:49) (merri) own purpose but still connected
(03:24:25) (ron) and that to, Q...as well as an intergalactic connection...all of which we are being influenced and are influencing
(03:25:23) (merri) that makes sense to me
(03:25:23) (Qrious) like a bunch of sprockets.. in mega and mini form.
(03:25:32) (ron) As has been indicated by some, ye are part and parcel of a universal consciousness or God - and thus all that is within the universal consciousness, or the universal awareness; as the stars, the planets, the sun, the moon. Do ye rule them or they rule thee? They were made for thy own use, as an individual-yea, that is the part [they play], the thought thy Maker, thy Father-God thinks of thee.
(03:26:07) (ron) For ye are as a corpuscle in the body of God; thus a co-creator with Him, in what ye think, in what ye do. 2794-3
(02:19:21) (Blu) Cool Ron
(02:19:45) (WalksInSpirit) Sounds good, Ron!
(02:19:59) (ron) i guess, i'll start now
(02:20:09) (Solya) yes, please.
(02:21:26) (ron) CHURCH = Ephesus [1]
(02:21:44) (ron) VIRTUE = Patience, FAULTS = Left First Love, SEAL = 1, VISION = White Horse,
(02:22:07) (ron) SPIRITUAL CENTERS GLANDS = Gonads (Desire), LORD'S PRAYER = Bread
(02:22:33) (ron) Chapter 2
(02:22:34) (Qrious) Is that dude on the white horse with a bow in his hand ron?
(02:22:56) (ron) 1. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
(02:23:13) (ron) Symbology: ANGEL OF EPHESUS - Mind cell or intelligence governing gonads.
(02:23:31) (ron) Symbology: HE WITH 7 STARS - Overself or superconscious.
(02:24:16) (ron) 2. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
(02:24:39) (ron) 3. And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
(02:24:56) (ron) 4. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
(02:25:06) (ron) Symbology: FIRST LOVE - Spiritual ideal - purpose.
(02:25:44) (ron) 5. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
(02:26:08) (ron) 6. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
(02:26:20) (ron) Symbology: NICOLAITANS - Cells in this center (in this case,. the gonads) that have degenerated through misuse and lascivious practices.
(02:27:01) (ron) 7. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
(02:27:23) (ron) Symbology: TREE OF LIFE - The function of supply, healing, and growth, the power of regeneration as
(02:28:34) (ron) manifested through the endocrine system perfectly synchronized.
(02:29:08) (ron) Symbology: PARADISE OF GOD - The original consciousness of man, before he came into matter, and to which he will return.
(02:29:55) (ron) now, should i backup?...i'm just about thru with this closing on the church of Ephesus
(02:30:31) (Blu) up to merri
(02:30:45) (merri) keep going ron
(02:31:01) (ron) ok
(02:31:29) (ron) this is commentary is coming from the ARE's The Revelation...
(02:31:56) (ron) In verse 1, Chapter 2, the OVERSELF is speaking, pointing out to John the need for a cleansing and purifying of the forces of the gonads.
(02:32:24) (ron) 2. The OVERSELF is aware of the efforts of the intelligence found here to regulate and guard itself against destructive activities and pursuits, but says that the original purpose of this center has been lost. The mind cell is urged to bring about a return to the original purpose quickly, or
(02:32:52) (ron) lose its intelligence entirely. (This would mean degeneration to the point of animalist1c function of this center, instinctual but without intelligence.)
(02:33:14) (merri) aahhhh
(02:33:32) (merri) but what does the OVERSELF represent?
(02:33:52) (merri) is it the superconscious?
(02:33:57) (ron) yes
(02:34:01) (ron) 7. In this verse the OVERSELF gives a clue to the great riddle of the TREE OF LIFE referred to in the Book of Genesis, a riddle of the ages in the western world.
(02:34:07) (Solya) the high self, perhaps?
(02:34:40) (ron) John is told that anyone who can regain control of this center could bring about within his body and mind, as well as in his worldly circumstances, complete restoration of the law of healing and supply.
(02:34:40) (merri) ok
(02:35:08) (Blu) that is amazing
(02:35:21) (ron) now, i can continue with the next church
(02:35:45) (Solya) OMG, these are directions I have been receiving and applying and I am getting results in healing Lady Michel´s body.
(02:36:14) (Solya) You are delighting me with confirmation.
(02:36:22) (ron) THE CHURCH IN SMYRNA
(02:36:42) (ron) VIRTUE-Suffering VISION-Black horse FAULT-Insincerity LORD’S PRAYER-Temptation
(02:37:06) (ron) PLANET-Neptune BEASTLY SYMBOL-Man ELEMENT-Water EARTHLY INFLUENCE-
(02:37:45) (ron) isn't this center considered to be the Seat of the Soul?...is that true?
(02:38:02) (ron) Sustenance MENTAL PROCESS-Time COLOR-Orange
(02:38:43) (ron) This church has many facets to its body of activity just as did the church of Ephesus. With suffering as a virtue, we suffer the results of having given our life to the images we build (at the gonad-level) and send forth to others via a black horse to weigh their worth in the scales of time.
(02:39:58) (ron) Their value is whether they are weighted for self or "for others." It is this MEASUREMENT of our concepts, of their worth, and of us, which proves the ancient saying that man is the measure of all things.
(02:41:04) (Roz) patience is the virtue of Ephesus
(02:41:11) (ron) The "mystic" of Neptune (water) allows us to pass our life on to images which in turn rule us. The measure of time is the measure of our understanding of the worth, the value, of our ideas that we have formed into whatever patterns we desire. We comprehend this evaluation process through the sense of the color orange. This color arises because of the interplay between the spirit (energy
(02:41:54) (ron) = red) and the concept (idea = yellow) which is stored in memory and activated through the adrenal complex. We use our memories as platforms, or patterns for response; and, since we have created them, our expression of them is the ESSENCE OF OUR BEING. We be our memories which in total make up our temperaments by which we are known.
(02:43:05) (Roz) and the fact that these two have cells that are interstical
(02:43:28) (ron) The cells of Leydig are located in the gonads and in the adrenals, hence the weighing (time) between the two points of creation, and thus their expression calls for their uncertain or unknown value to be carried on a black horse. (Rev. 6:5)
(02:44:32) (ron) The lyden is almost necessarily a seat of temptation as we give life value to what form we create - whether to self's advantage or "for others."
(02:45:12) (ron) The choice is ever set before us so that we eventually must come to realize the meaning of "good and evil, life and death; choose thou." (262-119)
(02:45:36) (ron) It should be easy to understand why man is the' 'beast" associated with the lyden cells as so placed in the chart in Chapter 5, Part I. In similar fashion it should be clear why "sustenance" is
(02:45:47) (Qrious) so.. like water .. it takes the form of whatever vessel you place it in?
(02:45:57) (Roz) black horse=balance cebrospinal &sympathetic nervous systems
(02:46:34) (ron) also associated with the lyden activity. The life - from the sea (Neptune) as well as the life we give to our images - SUSTAINS both us and our creations.
(02:47:26) (ron) 8: And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
(02:47:49) (ron) This shows the source of the message about the activities that go on at the lyden center, the church in Smyrna. The life in the entity which became the Son of man was as dead (to the impulses from the memories of first-causes) but since Jesus' regeneration, he is now alive. Remember, the regeneration comes about by removal of the impressions we implanted in the memory cells of the body.
(02:48:28) (ron) 9: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
(02:49:03) (ron) The "works" here is similar to that in verse 2 above. The phrase is repeated in each of the messages to the churches. In each instance it is relative to the operation of the corresponding planetary force even though the results are different as evidenced within the messages. All the "works," of course, are within the context of the activities of the endocrine system.
(02:49:05) (Solya) Perhaps this is a tie in with the Saturn sojourn, the removal of the impressions we implanted in the memory cells of the body.
(02:49:51) (ron) The' 'tribulations" resulting from reactions to or from choices made certainly can be most trying, as we have noted in our discussion regarding the operation of the total endocrine system. The temptations, choices and life we give up for our created images can sorely try us as we find ourselves UNBALANCED in the scales of the man on the black horse.
(02:50:51) (Solya) and who is this man on the black horse, please?
(02:51:06) (ron) Some may have wondered about the "poverty" of this Neptunian life force. But the force itself is not involved as the focus of poverty. The point is that we must give up a portion of our life to the images WE created. The poverty is also THE LITTLE BIT OF LIFE WE GIVE THEM.
(02:51:16) (Qrious) I learned that the works... refered to the teaching of Jesus,Peter,Acts, etc.. to repent.
(02:51:25) (ron) the intelligence governing a particuklar center
(02:52:37) (ron) In effect we dole out a portion of our life according to our choices of how much we think the images are worth - their value. The force itself will not override our choices; hence there is the poverty of what the life force is allowed to do either for us or for our images. Our choices are POOR ones. Neptune, as an intelligent force (an angel), is in effect robbed of the life he gave to
(02:53:18) (ron) us - for us. It, the angel as a creative force, is poor in total activity for the influences are set aside, by us, as we give a portion of our life to our thought forms which then live in us.
(02:53:58) (Solya) And if the energies invested in these diverse thought forms was brought into harmony what would be the effect?
(02:53:59) (ron) Then Neptune as an entity can only watch and vicariously experience OUR life in its split-up fashion. There is no ONENESS to our life. Many facets of character vie for their various shares of our total life. Somebody has to feel gypped, orphaned and poverty-stricken. Yet Neptune is RICH
(02:54:35) (ron) simply because his is the SEAT OF LIFE, and this is worth all else. This seat has been indicated to be the seat of the soul in the body through its direct connection to the pineal gland via the silver cord, hence the angel and its activities are indeed rich and perhaps so as no other center.
(02:55:06) (Solya) I think it is not necessary for any of our thought forms to be gypped providing we use mana to send to high self and allow high self to flood all of itself with immeasurable energies.
(02:55:22) (Qrious) interesting sayings ron.
(02:56:01) (ron) "The blasphemy of them which say they are Jews" is quite simply the efforts on our part to knowingly give life to a lie, claiming we are seeking the truth or blaming another when we are guilty. This is blasphemy, for we know it to be what it is but disclaim our own knowledge even to ourselves. These images rightfully belong to and are the synagogue of Satan. The choices for self
(02:56:31) (ron) we clothe in the finest of garments of self-deceit, but all must be weighed by the justice in the scales of time. The devilish penchant for deceit lies lurking in the darkest comers of memory.
(02:57:43) (ron) 10: Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
(02:58:23) (ron) First we are asked not to fear the sufferings we meet in life - or rather that which the life force meets in the various situations and memories we form and give life to as the life force does its job. It may be (and is) used by us for self-indulgences, not just for creating the forms and images we make. We must suffer us to do to us what we choose - we must use our free will and make
(02:58:30) (Solya) To own and rephrase, the darkest suffering is a blessing.
(02:59:01) (ron) choices. We should remember the direction given to Satan regarding Job: "Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand." (Job 1: 12)
(02:59:19) (Solya) Thus, upon recognition, souls cast themselves into Saturn.
(02:59:46) (Solya) and count it joy.
(03:00:23) (ron) Second, we are told that "the devil shall cast some of you into prison." This prison is not an ordinary jailhouse type of confinement, nor is it like our natural conditions when we are subject to the earth's forces or to the three dimensions of consciousness; it is, though, an imposition placed naturally upon us, and is the result of our self-indulgences one way or another. It could, in some in-stances, be called karma, and perhaps rightly so in all cases.
(03:01:20) (ron) A perfect illustration of this casting into prison and the subsequent tribulation for ten days is found in reading 281-38 in the question about the mixing of the races. The result is a period of ten generations which “is required for the cycle of activity in the glandular force of reproduction to reassert itself."
(03:01:51) (ron) Now we should consider Satan for a moment: Satan was originally an archangel in heaven (Rev. 12:7) and has power to hurt and INFLUENCE man to do evil (as in 281-37, A-4: "The desire to do evil is only in him"). Hence it may be seen that Satan may influence man to such a degree that he himself will be caught in the fulfilling of the law so as to literally be in jail for longer periods of
(03:02:21) (ron) time and suffer tribulations never expected, all from some indulgent act; or perhaps yet purely from love for another as we treat all men equally, there still is the returning to first principles (281-38).
(03:03:05) (ron) Such a condition is a life situation regarding the original purposes of the Neptunian force in us. By reason of the temptations we meet (and this also means self-temptation which the Lord's Prayer alludes to), we sometimes fall into the clutches of the involutionary forces in the body and perhaps place undue strain on the endocrine system (for example, the imprisonment of emotional
(03:03:36) (ron) memories at the cellular level). The readings had this to say, "The glandular forces then are ever akin to the sources from which, through which, the soul dwells within the body." (281-38)
(03:04:20) (ron) In the memory situation the life force in the body's memory cells is disturbed and adulterated from its original purpose, and the result is carried on until met properly. In the race illustration the life force of the races is adulterated, and cast into prison - into a mixture of the evolving life forces themselves (which are separate activities - AS FORCES) so that the natural cleansing forces must do their work in us where the adulteration took place.
(03:05:17) (ron) "Be thou faithful unto death" means just that, but not the death of our life, rather the DEATH OF OUR MEMORIES which can only occur as we become, or grow toward becoming, the Son of man. Hence the death spoken of is a death to our own being away from our own First Cause.
(03:06:00) (ron) "I will give thee a crown of life" is the result of our overcoming the life temptation forces (in some words, the Satanic), which are sometimes so deeply laid in the instinctive mind that we do not know they are there. But by our memories which cause our responses we can discover them and thus have an opportunity to disown them - to repent, or rethink our responses. The' 'crown of life"
(03:06:39) (ron) is, of course, seen in all its glory in Chapter 22 (so please be patient, we are only at the beginning of this Revelation study). We should by now, from what we have considered so far, begin to gain a better concept of how we break the commandment against adultery - and also .perhaps gain a better understanding of just why Jesus placed such emphasis on it.
(03:08:04) (ron) 11: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
(03:09:00) (ron) "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death" is a promise regarding our becoming a Son of man. This idea of a second death will be met again in Rev. 21:8 which I feel is a more appropriate place to discuss the idea further. Except that we all are as dead to our real selves, we must be resurrected from this death (by knowing and doing what we OUGHT to do as Jesus
(03:09:34) (ron) said); and THEN we must go through a FINAL TEMPTATION during which we are subject to FALLING AGAIN, which would be a second death. (281-37)
(03:09:52) (ron) END
(03:09:57) (ron) take a break
(03:10:11) (ron) i found this week to be a very difficult study
(03:10:17) (Solya) thank you, ron.
(03:11:04) (Solya) And the fall of princes is catastrophic!
(03:11:16) (ron) just today i started to break down Ephesus into a simpler understanding for myself...but, i'm wondering about that
(03:12:18) (merri) it is alot to take in and understand, making the different connections
(03:12:50) (ron) have you wondered why religious groups weear caps?...is it to keep a certain kind of energy from escaping out from the head...symbolically at leasst?...or keep a particular energy from entering thru the head?
(03:12:50) (Solya) I stagger, so this is it. So be it.
(03:13:13) (Solya) There is a chakra directly above the head, ron.
(03:13:20) (Leon) Thank you ron-- the journey is worth it
(03:13:20) (Qrious) well.. In Ephesus.. the first love is in reference to Jer.2;1,2...that might help ya ron.
(03:13:26) (Solya) Through this chakra God power can be drawn into the body.
(03:13:33) (ron) yes, solya, i'm aware of this
(03:14:00) (Solya) Perhaps the authorites want to close off the power from high self through chakra to body self.
(03:14:04) (Solya) Thus hats.
(03:14:22) (merri) that is interesting ron
(03:14:27) (Solya) What do you thihnk ron?
(03:15:03) (ron) this certain kind of energy enter as a pure white light thru the lowest center, and is then symbolically given the color red meaning Desire...and so on upwards...and now i come back to those religious head gear, or caps
(03:15:21) (Solya) jthat´s the upward. From body to God.
(03:15:32) (Solya) There is another flow if gained. From God to body
(03:15:45) (Solya) That his spirit may dwell within us.
(03:16:07) (Solya) It should cycle , low to high self for mana gift, high self to body for renewa.l and regeneration.
(03:16:24) (ron) head gear in practical life is known as a protective measure
(03:16:40) (Solya) As you will.
(03:17:14) (ron) how about taking that into dream symbols
(03:17:23) (ron) now astrology and the readings
(03:18:00) (ron) THE GREAT PLAN OF SOUL EVOLUTION
(03:18:12) (Qrious) good comparison.. head gear and protective measure..
(03:18:24) (ron) The word cosmogony is used to describe theories of the physical origin or generation of the universe, and many respectable scientists indulge in such conjecture. Their theories vary, but guesses concerning the unknown are considered academically acceptable when scientists are guessing.
(03:19:14) (ron) Cosmology, on the other hand, means the philosophy of the nature and first principles of the universe. Physical scientists generally decline to comment on these unknowns, leaving such speculation to philosophers and calling it metaphysics. But why was the universe made? What is the meaning behind the creation of so many suns and solar systems, stars,
(03:19:42) (Qrious) signs and seasons?
(03:19:52) (ron) galaxies, nebulae? What is the purpose of our own solar system? Are there others with the same purpose? What is the relationship of our own solar system to others? And most important to us: What is our relationship to these various systems? Or why, essentially, do we exist?
(03:20:15) (ron) for some reason, this text seems so much easier to understasnd (at least, for the moment).....:)
(03:21:02) (ron) These are questions that preoccupy the philosopher and theologian alike, and the answers are suggested in the life readings given by Edgar Cayce. In these records humanity's relationship to its solar system is shown as a plan for soul evolution that is vast and inspiring in scope. According to this information, humans are very personally related to
(03:21:31) (ron) their limited universe, our solar system. We are caught up in its purpose, and it is involved in our purpose for being here. There is interaction between individuals on Earth and the planets, Sun, and Moon. We influence them, they influence us. This influence is somewhat different from what is taught by traditional astrology.
(03:22:59) (ron) so, that seems to imply to me, that each existing solar system has its own "purpose"
(03:23:18) (Qrious) sounds like we are interconnected.
(03:23:33) (Solya) I believe you are correct.
(03:23:49) (merri) own purpose but still connected
(03:24:25) (ron) and that to, Q...as well as an intergalactic connection...all of which we are being influenced and are influencing
(03:25:23) (merri) that makes sense to me
(03:25:23) (Qrious) like a bunch of sprockets.. in mega and mini form.
(03:25:32) (ron) As has been indicated by some, ye are part and parcel of a universal consciousness or God - and thus all that is within the universal consciousness, or the universal awareness; as the stars, the planets, the sun, the moon. Do ye rule them or they rule thee? They were made for thy own use, as an individual-yea, that is the part [they play], the thought thy Maker, thy Father-God thinks of thee.
(03:26:07) (ron) For ye are as a corpuscle in the body of God; thus a co-creator with Him, in what ye think, in what ye do. 2794-3
