Post by WalksInSpirit on Dec 14, 2005 22:27:36 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 12-12-05
ron says: next week i thought of doing Revelation 7 churches/7 centers...then followup with Readings and Astrology...what do you think?
Blu says: Tha sounds good
Blu says: That is a very deep subject
ron says: but is very helpful regarding a clearer understanding of the centers interaction with mind and body...
Blu says: I will enjoy it.
Lynn says: I would relish that.
ron says: PISCES “I LEAVE MY FATHER’S HOUSE AND TURNING BACK I SAVE”
Lynn says: ron, do you have E C book on revelations? I love it.
ron says: yes
ron says: There is incredible beauty in the transformation of the disciple in Pisces. In this sign of duality, the perfect manifestation of the macrocosm and the microcosm, of God and humanity, is demonstrated. The fusion or blending of the soul and form produces the Incarnated Christ, the perfected individual soul, and the greater and the lesser polar opposites — the human being and God — are brought to their destined expression and manifestation in this
ron says: sign.
ron says: The symbol for Pisces, a water sign, is two connected fish swimming in opposite directions and linked together by a band that keeps them connected throughout the cycles of life. Bound by this silver cord, the fish swim between Spirit and Matter, between the constellations of Aries and Aquarius. One fish is heads out to the edge of the Universe,
ron says: while the other to the depths of the seas. The directions the fish swim represent the path into evolution and the Path of Return. One fish represents the soul, the other the personality or form.
ron says: THREE KEYNOTES OF THE DUALITY OF PISCES
ron says: 1. Bondage or captivity
ron says: 2. Renunciation or detachment
ron says: 3. Sacrifice and death
ron says: There are three cycles or sets of duality in this sign, each needing to be synthesized. In the first cycle the soul is captive in substance, descending into the ocean of matter. Later on the reversed wheel, the germ of Christ-Life is impressed and the disciple becomes aware of the duality, bringing on a great Crisis of Polarization. The personality
ron says: is slowly brought into alignment by the soul. The bondage is finally brought to an end when the soul detaches from the personality and reattaches itself in consciousness to the One. This is the climaxing story of Pisces and of human evolution.
Blu says: Man, all that in one sign!
Anonymous says: that is alot
ron says: by the way, Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac...and Aries is the first, or beginning, sign of the zodiac
Lynn says: the experience is not for pisces alone but for all people could be?
Anonymous says: are all the sign that complex
Blu says: must be Lynn
Lynn says: That is exactly what I am experiencing currently. terrifying but awesome and I Scorpio desire it.
Blu says: Ron, this material really brings aspects to the different signs that I would never have imagined.
Lynn says: awesome
Lynn says: thank you, ron
Anonymous says: yes thank you
ron says: but, remember the Readings emphasize the planets more than the zodiacal signs...the signs are a symbolic path towards spiritual evolution
Blu says: Thatis why the planets in the various houses are so important to us. They each affect us.
Lynn says: I have a favorable Neptune.
ron says: Through the stages of the Mutable Cross, the cross of the incarnating Christ, the disciple finds the way to Sagittarius where the fluidity and negativity of Pisces becomes focused desire and the individual begins to exhibit one-pointed selfishness. In Virgo the disciple further refines and instinct is transmuted to intellect. In Gemini the disciple stands
ron says: at the stage where the Great Illusion can be recognized for what it is. The Divine has been revealed and a desire for an ordered life and a union with the Self is sought. Intuition awakens in Gemini and the influence of the Fixed Cross is felt, in addition to the energies of the Mutable.
Lynn says: one pointed selfishness. ohmygod
ron says: the Mutable cross starting with Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces
ron says: On the reversed wheel the disciple demonstrates the manifested purpose of humanity in Pisces. Heading towards Pisces via Gemini, Virgo and Sagittarius, a process to transmute the energies is initiated. Now soul conscious and dealing directly with the inner-emanating source, a shift has taken place to a higher plane and this process of
ron says: transmutation begins raising the lower nature into the higher manifestation, transforming lower psychical powers into higher spiritual faculties. Mental or spiritual inhibition turns into soul expression and mental sensitivity. Eventually the disciple turns from the personal life towards service to humanity and soul identification.
ron says: phew...
Lynn says: awesome
ron says: As the polar opposite of Pisces, Virgo is one of the most significant of the signs of the zodiac for it holds the germ and ultimately represents the goal of the human evolutionary process. That goal is to reveal the veiled spiritual reality of matter. Virgo’s keynote is "The Christ in you, the hope of Glory." This is the seed that lies dormant in Pisces
Blu says: oh wow
ron says: The fluid, sensitive Pisces temperament that is mediumistic and psychically polarized is stabilized in Virgo. The two signs balance each other as Virgo provides the impetus for mental introspection and critical analysis. Soul and form are united in Virgo. They have blended and are of great importance to one another. Virgo represents synthesis and
Lynn says: my north node is Virgo my south node Pisces
Blu says: LOL @ Lynn
ron says: well blu...your sun is in Virgo...:)
ron says: the relation of spirit and matter after they have been brought together. The purpose for form life begins to be realized in Virgo. The seed that was hiding the spiritual reality is alive and reveals the beauty of spirit in matter. Their functions are basically interchangeable.
Lynn says: Virgo rises I have been informed by the hierarchy that I must respect physical universe. I have learned to use physical universe to help others. Physical must be spiritual for me.
ron says: Virgo — Virgin Mother - Pisces — Fish Goddess
ron says: Pisces is one of three signs of salvation in the zodiac along with Leo, which symbolizes the individual standing on its own and Sagittarius where the disciple loses sight of the self and silently serves. The disciple becomes the World Savior in Pisces. This sign has long been associated with The Christ and Christian symbology of the Fish. It is the World Savior that sounds the note bringing the next needed message for humanity. The Christ brought the keynote of
Anonymous says: what is the heirarchy?
Lynn says: A group of high level souls who have accepted responsibility as executives of the lower worlds, including this one.
ron says: remember the early Christian symbol? the fish...it was a secret symbol...also was indicative of the beginning of the Piscean Age which began at the time of Christ
Blu says: Ron, The Christ brought the keynote of???
ron says: brotherhood at the beginning of the Piscean Age, when He proclaimed, "A new commandment I give you that you love one another." The consummation of Pisces is identification with Divine Consciousness, which ultimately is the work to be carried out in this world cycle.
ron says: just given blu
Blu says: ok
ron says: Pisces is one of three signs of salvation in the zodiac along with Leo, which symbolizes the individual standing on its own and Sagittarius where the disciple loses sight of the self and silently serves. The disciple becomes the World Savior in Pisces. This sign has long been associated with The Christ and Christian symbology of the Fish. It is the World Savior that sounds the note bringing the next needed message for humanity. The Christ brought the keynote of
ron says: brotherhood at the beginning of the Piscean Age, when He proclaimed, "A new commandment I give you that you love one another." The consummation of Pisces is identification with Divine Consciousness, which ultimately is the work to be carried out in this world cycle.
Blu says: TY
ron says: Two major Rays collaborate with Pisces: the first Ray of Will or Power, focused through Pluto, and the second Ray of Love-Wisdom via Jupiter. The interplay of these dual potencies produces the duality in Pisces. The esoteric ruler of Pisces is Pluto, while the exoteric ruler is Jupiter.
ron says: Jupiter brings the two fishes together and binds them until eventually this union relate soul and form. Jupiter develops the qualities of mind and love, will and wisdom, head and heart, and brings these qualities into synthetic expression. Eventually there has to be a complete fusion of love and mind before a world savior can manifest.
Lynn says: ruler of Pisces is Pluto. Pluto also rules Scorpio
ron says: Neptune, lynn,,,some still consider that Jupiter as co-ruler
Lynn says: oh you said focused through Pluto, that is different. thank you
ron says: the esoteric ruler comes from the Alice Bailey material...Esoteric Astrology
vjh says: Gee Ron, you do have patience.
ron says: pluto= self-transformation
ron says: Jupiter brings the two fishes together and binds them until eventually this union relate soul and form. Jupiter develops the qualities of mind and love, will and wisdom, head and heart, and brings these qualities into synthetic expression. Eventually there has to be a complete fusion of love and mind before a world savior can manifest.
Blu says: So that took place in Jesus and there fore he became the Christ?
ron says: and finished the cycle thru Pisces
vjh says: Of course Cayce was a Pisces.
Blu says: Interesting
Lynn says: But Jesus was a Capricorn I believe
Lynn says: Still, what did Jesus have rising
vjh says: You know though, I've known a few people who were born on Feb 27, which is Pisces and it seems like these people are kind of money minded and mean.
ron says: Scorpio/8th house represents death, or the leaving behind what is no longer needed..usually emotional side of life...since He demonstrated His mastery over Fire, Earth, Water and Earth...the 4 symbols of the lower self or lower centers
ron says: Pluto destroys all that separates the pairs of opposites, yet never destroys the consciousness aspect. Pluto’s work includes cutting the thread which binds the two opposing lives together, allowing a mastery and dissipation of the Great Illusion. In its destroyer aspect, Pluto unfolds the significance, activity and beauty of death.
JohnB says: how do you cope with those elements ? ron
ron says: Neptune is also thought of as a ruler of Pisces in orthodox astrology. Neptune focuses the influence of Pisces in relation to humanity as a whole, not the individual being towards the final stages of the Path of Discipleship.
ron says: johnb...i have coming up revelation the 7 churches and the 7 centers...your question will be answered there...its all quite understandable...that is why i decided to present the text...very informative for all
ron says: Pisces has three constellations associated with it. El Rischa, the cord that unites the fish, is Pisces’s leading star found in a cluster of stars called the Band. The second is Andromeda, one of the three women among the constellations, seen here as the chained woman. The chained woman represents matter being harnessed. The third is
Lynn says: very informative. Thank you.
ron says: Andromeda’s father, King Cepheus. He represents the Father aspect or Spirit. The eighteenth brightest star in the sky in the constellation Pisces Austrinis, Fomalhaut, a royal star, marks the "Mouth of the Fish."
ron says: Pisces rules the feet and is symbolic of treading the Path of Return and attaining the goal, which is considered the spiritual theme of the Piscean Age. Pisces can also be seen as governing the generative process. This only becomes possible when higher creative facilities are awakened and the individual creates on the mental plane as well as the physical plane. Pisces is sometimes referred to as the sign of Obedience.
ron says: pisces feet...that was very informative
JohnB says: i was in philadephia church i was a boy ron
ron says: pisces and obedience..
JohnB says: so true ron about pisces
ron says: Keywords: Form: "And the Word said, Go forth into matter." Soul: "I leave my Father’s house and turning back, I save."
ron says: the next part goes into the fixed stars of Pisces...its a long text...i could bypass them and down a later text just on the fixed stars...ok?
Blu says: ok
Lynn says: ok
ron says: down=do
Anonymous says: i do hope it is ok if i visit again next week. This is fascinating
Lynn says: certainly, visit often.
Blu says: Everyone is welcome Anon
Anonymous says: thank you all
ron says: ok...open chat
JohnB says: thank you ron
Lynn says: This is awesome with phenomental encouragement. Just what I needed to hear. thank you
Blu says: You know Ron if it were not for you sthingy feeding me this material I would never attempt to understand astrology!
ron says: you're not alone Blu...i'm hving trouble just to keep up
Blu says: lol
Blu says: Tha sounds good
Blu says: That is a very deep subject
ron says: but is very helpful regarding a clearer understanding of the centers interaction with mind and body...
Blu says: I will enjoy it.
Lynn says: I would relish that.
ron says: PISCES “I LEAVE MY FATHER’S HOUSE AND TURNING BACK I SAVE”
Lynn says: ron, do you have E C book on revelations? I love it.
ron says: yes
ron says: There is incredible beauty in the transformation of the disciple in Pisces. In this sign of duality, the perfect manifestation of the macrocosm and the microcosm, of God and humanity, is demonstrated. The fusion or blending of the soul and form produces the Incarnated Christ, the perfected individual soul, and the greater and the lesser polar opposites — the human being and God — are brought to their destined expression and manifestation in this
ron says: sign.
ron says: The symbol for Pisces, a water sign, is two connected fish swimming in opposite directions and linked together by a band that keeps them connected throughout the cycles of life. Bound by this silver cord, the fish swim between Spirit and Matter, between the constellations of Aries and Aquarius. One fish is heads out to the edge of the Universe,
ron says: while the other to the depths of the seas. The directions the fish swim represent the path into evolution and the Path of Return. One fish represents the soul, the other the personality or form.
ron says: THREE KEYNOTES OF THE DUALITY OF PISCES
ron says: 1. Bondage or captivity
ron says: 2. Renunciation or detachment
ron says: 3. Sacrifice and death
ron says: There are three cycles or sets of duality in this sign, each needing to be synthesized. In the first cycle the soul is captive in substance, descending into the ocean of matter. Later on the reversed wheel, the germ of Christ-Life is impressed and the disciple becomes aware of the duality, bringing on a great Crisis of Polarization. The personality
ron says: is slowly brought into alignment by the soul. The bondage is finally brought to an end when the soul detaches from the personality and reattaches itself in consciousness to the One. This is the climaxing story of Pisces and of human evolution.
Blu says: Man, all that in one sign!
Anonymous says: that is alot
ron says: by the way, Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac...and Aries is the first, or beginning, sign of the zodiac
Lynn says: the experience is not for pisces alone but for all people could be?
Anonymous says: are all the sign that complex
Blu says: must be Lynn
Lynn says: That is exactly what I am experiencing currently. terrifying but awesome and I Scorpio desire it.
Blu says: Ron, this material really brings aspects to the different signs that I would never have imagined.
Lynn says: awesome
Lynn says: thank you, ron
Anonymous says: yes thank you
ron says: but, remember the Readings emphasize the planets more than the zodiacal signs...the signs are a symbolic path towards spiritual evolution
Blu says: Thatis why the planets in the various houses are so important to us. They each affect us.
Lynn says: I have a favorable Neptune.
ron says: Through the stages of the Mutable Cross, the cross of the incarnating Christ, the disciple finds the way to Sagittarius where the fluidity and negativity of Pisces becomes focused desire and the individual begins to exhibit one-pointed selfishness. In Virgo the disciple further refines and instinct is transmuted to intellect. In Gemini the disciple stands
ron says: at the stage where the Great Illusion can be recognized for what it is. The Divine has been revealed and a desire for an ordered life and a union with the Self is sought. Intuition awakens in Gemini and the influence of the Fixed Cross is felt, in addition to the energies of the Mutable.
Lynn says: one pointed selfishness. ohmygod
ron says: the Mutable cross starting with Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces
ron says: On the reversed wheel the disciple demonstrates the manifested purpose of humanity in Pisces. Heading towards Pisces via Gemini, Virgo and Sagittarius, a process to transmute the energies is initiated. Now soul conscious and dealing directly with the inner-emanating source, a shift has taken place to a higher plane and this process of
ron says: transmutation begins raising the lower nature into the higher manifestation, transforming lower psychical powers into higher spiritual faculties. Mental or spiritual inhibition turns into soul expression and mental sensitivity. Eventually the disciple turns from the personal life towards service to humanity and soul identification.
ron says: phew...
Lynn says: awesome
ron says: As the polar opposite of Pisces, Virgo is one of the most significant of the signs of the zodiac for it holds the germ and ultimately represents the goal of the human evolutionary process. That goal is to reveal the veiled spiritual reality of matter. Virgo’s keynote is "The Christ in you, the hope of Glory." This is the seed that lies dormant in Pisces
Blu says: oh wow
ron says: The fluid, sensitive Pisces temperament that is mediumistic and psychically polarized is stabilized in Virgo. The two signs balance each other as Virgo provides the impetus for mental introspection and critical analysis. Soul and form are united in Virgo. They have blended and are of great importance to one another. Virgo represents synthesis and
Lynn says: my north node is Virgo my south node Pisces
Blu says: LOL @ Lynn
ron says: well blu...your sun is in Virgo...:)
ron says: the relation of spirit and matter after they have been brought together. The purpose for form life begins to be realized in Virgo. The seed that was hiding the spiritual reality is alive and reveals the beauty of spirit in matter. Their functions are basically interchangeable.
Lynn says: Virgo rises I have been informed by the hierarchy that I must respect physical universe. I have learned to use physical universe to help others. Physical must be spiritual for me.
ron says: Virgo — Virgin Mother - Pisces — Fish Goddess
ron says: Pisces is one of three signs of salvation in the zodiac along with Leo, which symbolizes the individual standing on its own and Sagittarius where the disciple loses sight of the self and silently serves. The disciple becomes the World Savior in Pisces. This sign has long been associated with The Christ and Christian symbology of the Fish. It is the World Savior that sounds the note bringing the next needed message for humanity. The Christ brought the keynote of
Anonymous says: what is the heirarchy?
Lynn says: A group of high level souls who have accepted responsibility as executives of the lower worlds, including this one.
ron says: remember the early Christian symbol? the fish...it was a secret symbol...also was indicative of the beginning of the Piscean Age which began at the time of Christ
Blu says: Ron, The Christ brought the keynote of???
ron says: brotherhood at the beginning of the Piscean Age, when He proclaimed, "A new commandment I give you that you love one another." The consummation of Pisces is identification with Divine Consciousness, which ultimately is the work to be carried out in this world cycle.
ron says: just given blu
Blu says: ok
ron says: Pisces is one of three signs of salvation in the zodiac along with Leo, which symbolizes the individual standing on its own and Sagittarius where the disciple loses sight of the self and silently serves. The disciple becomes the World Savior in Pisces. This sign has long been associated with The Christ and Christian symbology of the Fish. It is the World Savior that sounds the note bringing the next needed message for humanity. The Christ brought the keynote of
ron says: brotherhood at the beginning of the Piscean Age, when He proclaimed, "A new commandment I give you that you love one another." The consummation of Pisces is identification with Divine Consciousness, which ultimately is the work to be carried out in this world cycle.
Blu says: TY
ron says: Two major Rays collaborate with Pisces: the first Ray of Will or Power, focused through Pluto, and the second Ray of Love-Wisdom via Jupiter. The interplay of these dual potencies produces the duality in Pisces. The esoteric ruler of Pisces is Pluto, while the exoteric ruler is Jupiter.
ron says: Jupiter brings the two fishes together and binds them until eventually this union relate soul and form. Jupiter develops the qualities of mind and love, will and wisdom, head and heart, and brings these qualities into synthetic expression. Eventually there has to be a complete fusion of love and mind before a world savior can manifest.
Lynn says: ruler of Pisces is Pluto. Pluto also rules Scorpio
ron says: Neptune, lynn,,,some still consider that Jupiter as co-ruler
Lynn says: oh you said focused through Pluto, that is different. thank you
ron says: the esoteric ruler comes from the Alice Bailey material...Esoteric Astrology
vjh says: Gee Ron, you do have patience.
ron says: pluto= self-transformation
ron says: Jupiter brings the two fishes together and binds them until eventually this union relate soul and form. Jupiter develops the qualities of mind and love, will and wisdom, head and heart, and brings these qualities into synthetic expression. Eventually there has to be a complete fusion of love and mind before a world savior can manifest.
Blu says: So that took place in Jesus and there fore he became the Christ?
ron says: and finished the cycle thru Pisces
vjh says: Of course Cayce was a Pisces.
Blu says: Interesting
Lynn says: But Jesus was a Capricorn I believe
Lynn says: Still, what did Jesus have rising
vjh says: You know though, I've known a few people who were born on Feb 27, which is Pisces and it seems like these people are kind of money minded and mean.
ron says: Scorpio/8th house represents death, or the leaving behind what is no longer needed..usually emotional side of life...since He demonstrated His mastery over Fire, Earth, Water and Earth...the 4 symbols of the lower self or lower centers
ron says: Pluto destroys all that separates the pairs of opposites, yet never destroys the consciousness aspect. Pluto’s work includes cutting the thread which binds the two opposing lives together, allowing a mastery and dissipation of the Great Illusion. In its destroyer aspect, Pluto unfolds the significance, activity and beauty of death.
JohnB says: how do you cope with those elements ? ron
ron says: Neptune is also thought of as a ruler of Pisces in orthodox astrology. Neptune focuses the influence of Pisces in relation to humanity as a whole, not the individual being towards the final stages of the Path of Discipleship.
ron says: johnb...i have coming up revelation the 7 churches and the 7 centers...your question will be answered there...its all quite understandable...that is why i decided to present the text...very informative for all
ron says: Pisces has three constellations associated with it. El Rischa, the cord that unites the fish, is Pisces’s leading star found in a cluster of stars called the Band. The second is Andromeda, one of the three women among the constellations, seen here as the chained woman. The chained woman represents matter being harnessed. The third is
Lynn says: very informative. Thank you.
ron says: Andromeda’s father, King Cepheus. He represents the Father aspect or Spirit. The eighteenth brightest star in the sky in the constellation Pisces Austrinis, Fomalhaut, a royal star, marks the "Mouth of the Fish."
ron says: Pisces rules the feet and is symbolic of treading the Path of Return and attaining the goal, which is considered the spiritual theme of the Piscean Age. Pisces can also be seen as governing the generative process. This only becomes possible when higher creative facilities are awakened and the individual creates on the mental plane as well as the physical plane. Pisces is sometimes referred to as the sign of Obedience.
ron says: pisces feet...that was very informative
JohnB says: i was in philadephia church i was a boy ron
ron says: pisces and obedience..
JohnB says: so true ron about pisces
ron says: Keywords: Form: "And the Word said, Go forth into matter." Soul: "I leave my Father’s house and turning back, I save."
ron says: the next part goes into the fixed stars of Pisces...its a long text...i could bypass them and down a later text just on the fixed stars...ok?
Blu says: ok
Lynn says: ok
ron says: down=do
Anonymous says: i do hope it is ok if i visit again next week. This is fascinating
Lynn says: certainly, visit often.
Blu says: Everyone is welcome Anon
Anonymous says: thank you all
ron says: ok...open chat
JohnB says: thank you ron
Lynn says: This is awesome with phenomental encouragement. Just what I needed to hear. thank you
Blu says: You know Ron if it were not for you sthingy feeding me this material I would never attempt to understand astrology!
ron says: you're not alone Blu...i'm hving trouble just to keep up
Blu says: lol
