Post by WalksInSpirit on Dec 5, 2005 15:33:13 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 12-05-05
(02:14:58) (ron) AQUARIUS: SOUL AND SPIRIT EXPRESS THEMSELVES THROUGH SUBSTANCE
(02:15:33) (ron) AQUARIUS - "WATER OF LIFE AM I, POURED FORTH FOR A THIRSTY WORLD"
(02:16:10) (ron) The constellation Aquarius is one of supreme importance to our solar system at this time, for it is the sign into which our sun is rapidly moving — and with each passing decade its influence gains momentum and potency. It is largely related to the changes now taking place in our world, particularly towards group consciousness, focus and service. And because it is an air sign, its influence is all pervasive and inter-penetrating.
(02:17:19) (ron) Our earth will fully enter the 2300-year cycle known as the Aquarian Age in the next few hundred years, and meanwhile we've begun to feel this new age approaching, heralding illumination and the establishment of order upon our home planet. Aquarian illumination comes in the form of realizing humanity’s essential unity and recognizing the
(02:17:46) (ron) group consciousness, wasn't that the concept as given by EC?
(02:18:31) (ron) processes of sharing and cooperation to assist all of humankind. Soul awareness developed in Capricorn becomes the working reality for the Water Bearer, and with these the true hallmarks of those aligned with Soul — group consciousness, selfless service and self-sacrifice.
(02:19:06) (ron) different astrologer's have different math concepts regardin the beginning and ending of the Great Ages
(02:20:24) (ron) Aquarius governs the blood system and its circulation. By means of the blood, the life force is distributed throughout the entire human body. It is symbolic of the task of the liberated Aquarian who dispenses spiritual life throughout the human kingdom.
(02:21:02) (ron) Aquarius is intricately linked to its position on the Fixed Cross, the cross of discipleship, named esoterically the Cross of Transmutation. It is related to the process of desire becoming aspiration, and selfishness transforming into selflessness. A crisis of reorientation occurs on this cross of soul unfoldment wherein the great initiation dealing with
(02:21:12) (ron) the Christ consciousness occurs, held as the third initiation to the personality yet from the perspective of soul, as the first initiation.
(02:22:16) (Blu) wow Ron, I need to have some time to let that soak in
(02:22:54) (ron) While the subsequent two initiations take place on the Cardinal Cross, in the preceding sign of Capricorn, initiation on the Fixed Cross occurs in Aquarius. This cross is where integration with its opposite — Leo, the sign of individual unfoldment, self-expression and assertiveness — happens. For the person on the Mutable Cross, as the interplay goes on between Leo and Aquarius, there comes a deepening of all qualities and the superficialities
(02:23:40) (ron) disappear until — on the reversed wheel — the intensive self-consciousness of Leo expands into the group awareness of Aquarius. The individual becomes the universal, losing their personal identity in the good of the whole, yet retaining their spiritual identity.
(02:25:28) (ron) What is initiation? It is an achievement and an attained success of the soul which has at last succeeded in dominating the personality and in manifesting its true nature and character, despite the personality and the antagonism of the individual, intent upon their own purposes. It is literally the attainment of certain desired objectives, towards which the units of the spiritual kingdom in nature have been working for eons, and expresses the end of the enforced task
(02:26:09) (ron) sacrifice and planetary service. For humans this achievement reaches its goal at the third initiation and from that time on the individual, liberated and free, serves from free choice and as a soul, conscious of intent and purpose upon the physical plane.
(02:27:46) (Meg) lol , ron, my moon is aquarius, can i tell you about my daughter who is aquarius
(02:27:49) (ron) Indeed, the truth about initiation is that "initiators initiate." This is why they are known as initiates! In the Aquarius labor of Hercules, he volunteered to clean the royal stables of Augeas upon noting the blighting pestilence caused by the stench of the stables. Hercules literally "rose to the occasion."
(02:28:11) (ron) sure, we can take a break...
(02:28:55) (Blu) My Son is an aquarian too, and I can see a lot of this in him
(02:29:25) (ron) i hope someone in the familty is a capricorn...some needed patience is needed here
(02:29:43) (Meg) my daughter is aquarius, with a cancer moon and scporio rising
(02:30:20) (ron) she's not hesitant to express her emotions
(02:30:43) (Meg) she is a delight to this world
(02:30:44) (Blu) "It is related to the process of desire becoming aspiration, and selfishness transforming into selflessness." When my son became a Marine I know he set a lot of "Self" aside...it was required.
(02:31:27) (ron) Thusly the Aquarian is consecrated to group service and to the welfare of humanity. The average well-meaning Aquarians upon the common or Mutable Cross, for instance, will be faithful employees, adherents and workers in some firm or business within whose limits all their interests are confined and to whose welfare all they have is consecrated. Whereas upon the Fixed Cross this consecration to others expands to world service.
(02:32:37) (ron) The energy which produces opportunity, illumination, and love of all humanity, as expressed and attained upon the Fixed Cross, demonstrates upon the Mutable or common Cross as difficulty, the versatile and volatile mind, unstable and dark, and as sex.
(02:33:46) (ron) This demonstration appears clearly in the words relating to the person upon the Mutable Cross as they pass through an Aquarian cycle, "And the Word said, let desire in form be ruler." For desire becomes knowledge gained, and the knowledge of that which is hidden at any stage upon the path of evolution relates the individual to Uranus. So when the person is upon the Fixed Cross, the words come forth, "Water of life am I, poured forth for a thirsty world."
(02:33:48) (Meg) yes on, ty
(02:34:10) (Meg) yes Ron
(02:34:54) (ron) No planet is exalted in Aquarius and no planet falls in this sign, because the true Aquarian has reached a point of balance. The pairs of opposites no longer hold them, but instead are used for spiritual ends. No longer hindered by the earth of Capricorn and the water of Pisces, the tests of both incarnation and initiation have been passed — the worker now stands free, distributing energy and life, as symbolized by the two wavy lines in the Aquarius symbol.
(02:36:01) (ron) Yet the sun (the physical sun, ruling planet of Aquarius's opposite, Leo) is lessened in its power in Aquarius. And in Aquarius, the initiate consummates all that has been achieved in Leo through the influence of the sun. When the third initiation has been undergone, the light of the personality has been "put out" or dimmed by the light of the greater sun, the soul.
(02:37:02) (ron) Planetary influences are unusually potent in Aquarius during this world cycle because it is, in a peculiar way, a culminating sign for the majority of people who proceed from Aries to Pisces upon the Fixed Cross. The bulk of the world initiates climax their experience in Aquarius and become liberated world servers; they turn their backs upon all
(02:37:42) (ron) further progress for themselves in this cycle and on all satisfaction of their own spiritual aspiration to become carriers of the water of life to humanity.
(02:38:27) (ron) As Uranus rules Aquarius, the influence of the seventh ray of Ceremonial Magic and Ritual is strong here. Uranus bestows innate spontaneous activity, and this produces evolutionary development — both natural and spiritual. It is the urge to better conditions. The seventh ray brings into expression on the physical plane the major pairs of opposites — spirit and matter — and relates them to each other, producing eventually one functioning whole.
(02:39:32) (ron) The other ruling planets of Aquarius are Jupiter (esoteric) and the moon (hierarchical). Jupiter influences develop the second ray of Love-Wisdom in the power to pour out love and wisdom on earth. The fourth ray of Harmony through Beauty and Art, as presented by way of the moon, indicates our field of service on planet earth and the mode of
(02:40:09) (ron) attaining the goal, that of conflict and struggle in order to reach harmony and thus to express fully all truly human characteristics.
(02:40:47) (ron) END
(02:40:56) (ron) take a break
(02:41:03) (Blu) wow Ron
(02:41:27) (Blu) was Jesus an Aquarian?
(02:41:28) (ron) diane is ahead of the rest of us....well :)
(02:41:39) (Blu) LOl, yes she is and it is obvious
(02:42:55) (ron) i don't remember blu...i have Jesus' chart and interpretations...maybe you people would like to have me put it on (at least, i think i have)...i also have EC's chart...maybe you'd like me to put that on soon as well...let me know
(02:43:18) (Blu) i would Ron
(02:43:40) (Roz) cayce says Jesus was born on Jan 6
(02:43:45) (vjh) Yeah, there was something I was wondering about with that.
(02:43:53) (ron) i wil look thru my collection and see what i can find
(02:44:15) (ron) roz, i think i have a chart drawn for jan 6th
(02:44:30) (Roz) okie
(02:44:49) (vjh) Like EC's chart has him with a Leo ascendent and a Taurus moon. And with all the trouble everyone else is having, especially people affected by this grand cross, EC came out looking good last week after that special program on him.
(02:46:15) (Blu) why is the grand cross trouble?
(02:46:40) (ron) fixed sign grand cross is known as the cross of transformation...of change ...ending of a great cycle...things that are to be left behind...death
(02:46:47) (vjh) In the stars right now there is a grand cross. Two sets of squares and Mars is retrograde.
(02:46:47) (Blu) or better yet what is a grand cross
(02:46:58) (Blu) ok
(02:47:00) (Blu) ty
(02:47:05) (vjh) Two sets of squares.
(02:47:17) (Blu) yes, I haave been feeling that retrograde myself
(02:47:17) (vjh) squaring each other.
(02:47:32) (Blu) but I thought we were through it
(02:47:40) (ron) the 3 crosses are Cardinal Cross=Aries, Cancer,Libra and Capricorn....
(02:48:02) (ron) Fixed Cross=Taurus, Leo,Scorpio and Aquarius
(02:48:23) (ron) Mutable Cross=Gemini,Virgo,Sagittarius and Pisces
(02:48:54) (vjh) It seems like Mars has been going retrograde in Taurus a long time.
(02:49:11) (ron) these are also know as Grand Crosses'
(02:50:08) (ron) Mars is about to station and go direct soon...i can look that up but would have to initialize the astro program
(02:50:10) (Blu) This is why we have people to do this astrology, because this seems very complicated to me!
(02:50:44) (Blu) All I know is my daily horror scope told me it was no longer retro
(02:50:59) (Blu) which would be good for me
(02:51:49) (ron) if mars is outgoing, physical energy...how would one interprete this energy if it is regragrad?...this outgoing energy is internalized to where?...the mind?
(02:52:14) (Blu) sorry..wrong planet
(02:52:16) (vjh) I just thought it would mean energy wasted.
(02:52:20) (Blu) Your key planet, Mercury, is on the last day of its retrograde cycle and has backed up as far as it will go.
(02:52:42) (Meg) Blu, know matter what our signs, we have a choice
(02:52:54) (Blu) I know Meg
(02:53:13) (ron) that was at the time of your birth...mercury can go forward and backward in life quite a bit...the mind doesn't seem to know whether it is coming or going :)
(02:53:20) (Meg) :)
(02:53:31) (Blu) LOL, there you go Ron, that sounds right
(02:53:35) (ron) lol
(02:53:40) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(02:53:56) (Blu) Seems like I have been doing both at once all week
(02:55:45) (ron) so there is a tendency to look things over, redo, re-evaluate our decisions, as well as change our minds...but, lets not overdo it...the world can get very upset with our comings and our goings :)
(02:56:24) (ron) i'm referring to a transit or natal retrograde mercury
(02:56:46) (ron) what would happen with a retrograde venus?
(02:57:04) (Blu) This week alone my schedule has changed daily, worked long hours and short hours. Lost my job, got my job back again...it has been in and out over and under up and down!
(02:57:40) (vjh) Ron, do you know if Blu has any planets in the fixed signs?
(02:57:56) (ron) with a retrograde venus?...well, i wonder if the person keep going back to the same old lover...
(02:58:09) (vjh) Do you know Blu? and what is your ascendent?
(02:58:27) (Blu) um
(02:58:34) (Blu) hang on I will have to get my chart out
(02:58:48) (ron) or, that love keeps coming back...vjh, what do you say?
(02:59:29) (vjh) It seems like my Venus is retrograde. I don't know how I can forget a thing like that but I have. And I've met up with some bum loves.
(02:59:30) (ron) she has 4 planets in fixed signs
(02:59:46) (vjh) then the grand cross is probably affecting her.
(02:59:59) (Blu) me?
(03:00:27) (vjh) Yes, if you have 4 planets in fixed signs there's no way you can not be affected by this grand cross.
(03:00:49) (Blu) ok, so if I just hide till spring will it be ok?
(03:01:00) (Blu) LOL
(03:01:05) (Blu) just kidding
(03:01:22) (vjh) well, till Mars gets further along in Taurus. When the Mars gets out of aspect that will be one step forward.
(03:01:26) (Blu) I should ahve a chart done for this year though
(03:01:45) (Blu) It's getting crazy out there
(03:02:00) (ron) if one is to personalize a transitting Grand Cross, i would take into consideration the houses that the Fixed signs are found in a natal chart
(03:02:05) (Blu) in all my years as a Detective I have never been hurt, but lately it's getting rough
(03:02:09) (vjh) Then there's still going to be Saturn and Jupiter and Neptune. Probably Saturn will be opposing Neptune for a while but those aren't such personal planets.
(03:02:59) (vjh) When Jupiter moves along so it's not squaring Saturn, things will get better too.
(03:03:38) (ron) to personalize the aspects between any 2 or more transitting planets, you will have to take into consideration the houses...otherwise it is a global thing for humanity
(03:05:12) (ron) transitting squares suggest adjustments, needed changes required...this is global
(03:07:26) (ron) open chat folks...
(03:17:49) (WalksInSpirit) Great chat today, Ron, as usual! Thank you!
(03:18:17) (ron) thanks for stopping by...i appreciate the company and support..is very encouraging
(03:18:28) (ron) all you guys
(03:18:38) (vjh) Yes, it was good Ron.
(03:18:45) (Blu) Thanks Ron, I may not grasp it all but at least I see more than I did!
(03:19:16) (ron) hey blu, i'm learning also :)
(03:19:24) (Lynn) I wish I had been here for the entire presentation, Ron. Zee tells me you are especially interesting. Thank you.
(03:19:46) (ron) ok lynn, i appreciate your compliment
(02:15:33) (ron) AQUARIUS - "WATER OF LIFE AM I, POURED FORTH FOR A THIRSTY WORLD"
(02:16:10) (ron) The constellation Aquarius is one of supreme importance to our solar system at this time, for it is the sign into which our sun is rapidly moving — and with each passing decade its influence gains momentum and potency. It is largely related to the changes now taking place in our world, particularly towards group consciousness, focus and service. And because it is an air sign, its influence is all pervasive and inter-penetrating.
(02:17:19) (ron) Our earth will fully enter the 2300-year cycle known as the Aquarian Age in the next few hundred years, and meanwhile we've begun to feel this new age approaching, heralding illumination and the establishment of order upon our home planet. Aquarian illumination comes in the form of realizing humanity’s essential unity and recognizing the
(02:17:46) (ron) group consciousness, wasn't that the concept as given by EC?
(02:18:31) (ron) processes of sharing and cooperation to assist all of humankind. Soul awareness developed in Capricorn becomes the working reality for the Water Bearer, and with these the true hallmarks of those aligned with Soul — group consciousness, selfless service and self-sacrifice.
(02:19:06) (ron) different astrologer's have different math concepts regardin the beginning and ending of the Great Ages
(02:20:24) (ron) Aquarius governs the blood system and its circulation. By means of the blood, the life force is distributed throughout the entire human body. It is symbolic of the task of the liberated Aquarian who dispenses spiritual life throughout the human kingdom.
(02:21:02) (ron) Aquarius is intricately linked to its position on the Fixed Cross, the cross of discipleship, named esoterically the Cross of Transmutation. It is related to the process of desire becoming aspiration, and selfishness transforming into selflessness. A crisis of reorientation occurs on this cross of soul unfoldment wherein the great initiation dealing with
(02:21:12) (ron) the Christ consciousness occurs, held as the third initiation to the personality yet from the perspective of soul, as the first initiation.
(02:22:16) (Blu) wow Ron, I need to have some time to let that soak in
(02:22:54) (ron) While the subsequent two initiations take place on the Cardinal Cross, in the preceding sign of Capricorn, initiation on the Fixed Cross occurs in Aquarius. This cross is where integration with its opposite — Leo, the sign of individual unfoldment, self-expression and assertiveness — happens. For the person on the Mutable Cross, as the interplay goes on between Leo and Aquarius, there comes a deepening of all qualities and the superficialities
(02:23:40) (ron) disappear until — on the reversed wheel — the intensive self-consciousness of Leo expands into the group awareness of Aquarius. The individual becomes the universal, losing their personal identity in the good of the whole, yet retaining their spiritual identity.
(02:25:28) (ron) What is initiation? It is an achievement and an attained success of the soul which has at last succeeded in dominating the personality and in manifesting its true nature and character, despite the personality and the antagonism of the individual, intent upon their own purposes. It is literally the attainment of certain desired objectives, towards which the units of the spiritual kingdom in nature have been working for eons, and expresses the end of the enforced task
(02:26:09) (ron) sacrifice and planetary service. For humans this achievement reaches its goal at the third initiation and from that time on the individual, liberated and free, serves from free choice and as a soul, conscious of intent and purpose upon the physical plane.
(02:27:46) (Meg) lol , ron, my moon is aquarius, can i tell you about my daughter who is aquarius
(02:27:49) (ron) Indeed, the truth about initiation is that "initiators initiate." This is why they are known as initiates! In the Aquarius labor of Hercules, he volunteered to clean the royal stables of Augeas upon noting the blighting pestilence caused by the stench of the stables. Hercules literally "rose to the occasion."
(02:28:11) (ron) sure, we can take a break...
(02:28:55) (Blu) My Son is an aquarian too, and I can see a lot of this in him
(02:29:25) (ron) i hope someone in the familty is a capricorn...some needed patience is needed here
(02:29:43) (Meg) my daughter is aquarius, with a cancer moon and scporio rising
(02:30:20) (ron) she's not hesitant to express her emotions
(02:30:43) (Meg) she is a delight to this world
(02:30:44) (Blu) "It is related to the process of desire becoming aspiration, and selfishness transforming into selflessness." When my son became a Marine I know he set a lot of "Self" aside...it was required.
(02:31:27) (ron) Thusly the Aquarian is consecrated to group service and to the welfare of humanity. The average well-meaning Aquarians upon the common or Mutable Cross, for instance, will be faithful employees, adherents and workers in some firm or business within whose limits all their interests are confined and to whose welfare all they have is consecrated. Whereas upon the Fixed Cross this consecration to others expands to world service.
(02:32:37) (ron) The energy which produces opportunity, illumination, and love of all humanity, as expressed and attained upon the Fixed Cross, demonstrates upon the Mutable or common Cross as difficulty, the versatile and volatile mind, unstable and dark, and as sex.
(02:33:46) (ron) This demonstration appears clearly in the words relating to the person upon the Mutable Cross as they pass through an Aquarian cycle, "And the Word said, let desire in form be ruler." For desire becomes knowledge gained, and the knowledge of that which is hidden at any stage upon the path of evolution relates the individual to Uranus. So when the person is upon the Fixed Cross, the words come forth, "Water of life am I, poured forth for a thirsty world."
(02:33:48) (Meg) yes on, ty
(02:34:10) (Meg) yes Ron
(02:34:54) (ron) No planet is exalted in Aquarius and no planet falls in this sign, because the true Aquarian has reached a point of balance. The pairs of opposites no longer hold them, but instead are used for spiritual ends. No longer hindered by the earth of Capricorn and the water of Pisces, the tests of both incarnation and initiation have been passed — the worker now stands free, distributing energy and life, as symbolized by the two wavy lines in the Aquarius symbol.
(02:36:01) (ron) Yet the sun (the physical sun, ruling planet of Aquarius's opposite, Leo) is lessened in its power in Aquarius. And in Aquarius, the initiate consummates all that has been achieved in Leo through the influence of the sun. When the third initiation has been undergone, the light of the personality has been "put out" or dimmed by the light of the greater sun, the soul.
(02:37:02) (ron) Planetary influences are unusually potent in Aquarius during this world cycle because it is, in a peculiar way, a culminating sign for the majority of people who proceed from Aries to Pisces upon the Fixed Cross. The bulk of the world initiates climax their experience in Aquarius and become liberated world servers; they turn their backs upon all
(02:37:42) (ron) further progress for themselves in this cycle and on all satisfaction of their own spiritual aspiration to become carriers of the water of life to humanity.
(02:38:27) (ron) As Uranus rules Aquarius, the influence of the seventh ray of Ceremonial Magic and Ritual is strong here. Uranus bestows innate spontaneous activity, and this produces evolutionary development — both natural and spiritual. It is the urge to better conditions. The seventh ray brings into expression on the physical plane the major pairs of opposites — spirit and matter — and relates them to each other, producing eventually one functioning whole.
(02:39:32) (ron) The other ruling planets of Aquarius are Jupiter (esoteric) and the moon (hierarchical). Jupiter influences develop the second ray of Love-Wisdom in the power to pour out love and wisdom on earth. The fourth ray of Harmony through Beauty and Art, as presented by way of the moon, indicates our field of service on planet earth and the mode of
(02:40:09) (ron) attaining the goal, that of conflict and struggle in order to reach harmony and thus to express fully all truly human characteristics.
(02:40:47) (ron) END
(02:40:56) (ron) take a break
(02:41:03) (Blu) wow Ron
(02:41:27) (Blu) was Jesus an Aquarian?
(02:41:28) (ron) diane is ahead of the rest of us....well :)
(02:41:39) (Blu) LOl, yes she is and it is obvious
(02:42:55) (ron) i don't remember blu...i have Jesus' chart and interpretations...maybe you people would like to have me put it on (at least, i think i have)...i also have EC's chart...maybe you'd like me to put that on soon as well...let me know
(02:43:18) (Blu) i would Ron
(02:43:40) (Roz) cayce says Jesus was born on Jan 6
(02:43:45) (vjh) Yeah, there was something I was wondering about with that.
(02:43:53) (ron) i wil look thru my collection and see what i can find
(02:44:15) (ron) roz, i think i have a chart drawn for jan 6th
(02:44:30) (Roz) okie
(02:44:49) (vjh) Like EC's chart has him with a Leo ascendent and a Taurus moon. And with all the trouble everyone else is having, especially people affected by this grand cross, EC came out looking good last week after that special program on him.
(02:46:15) (Blu) why is the grand cross trouble?
(02:46:40) (ron) fixed sign grand cross is known as the cross of transformation...of change ...ending of a great cycle...things that are to be left behind...death
(02:46:47) (vjh) In the stars right now there is a grand cross. Two sets of squares and Mars is retrograde.
(02:46:47) (Blu) or better yet what is a grand cross
(02:46:58) (Blu) ok
(02:47:00) (Blu) ty
(02:47:05) (vjh) Two sets of squares.
(02:47:17) (Blu) yes, I haave been feeling that retrograde myself
(02:47:17) (vjh) squaring each other.
(02:47:32) (Blu) but I thought we were through it
(02:47:40) (ron) the 3 crosses are Cardinal Cross=Aries, Cancer,Libra and Capricorn....
(02:48:02) (ron) Fixed Cross=Taurus, Leo,Scorpio and Aquarius
(02:48:23) (ron) Mutable Cross=Gemini,Virgo,Sagittarius and Pisces
(02:48:54) (vjh) It seems like Mars has been going retrograde in Taurus a long time.
(02:49:11) (ron) these are also know as Grand Crosses'
(02:50:08) (ron) Mars is about to station and go direct soon...i can look that up but would have to initialize the astro program
(02:50:10) (Blu) This is why we have people to do this astrology, because this seems very complicated to me!
(02:50:44) (Blu) All I know is my daily horror scope told me it was no longer retro
(02:50:59) (Blu) which would be good for me
(02:51:49) (ron) if mars is outgoing, physical energy...how would one interprete this energy if it is regragrad?...this outgoing energy is internalized to where?...the mind?
(02:52:14) (Blu) sorry..wrong planet
(02:52:16) (vjh) I just thought it would mean energy wasted.
(02:52:20) (Blu) Your key planet, Mercury, is on the last day of its retrograde cycle and has backed up as far as it will go.
(02:52:42) (Meg) Blu, know matter what our signs, we have a choice
(02:52:54) (Blu) I know Meg
(02:53:13) (ron) that was at the time of your birth...mercury can go forward and backward in life quite a bit...the mind doesn't seem to know whether it is coming or going :)
(02:53:20) (Meg) :)
(02:53:31) (Blu) LOL, there you go Ron, that sounds right
(02:53:35) (ron) lol
(02:53:40) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(02:53:56) (Blu) Seems like I have been doing both at once all week
(02:55:45) (ron) so there is a tendency to look things over, redo, re-evaluate our decisions, as well as change our minds...but, lets not overdo it...the world can get very upset with our comings and our goings :)
(02:56:24) (ron) i'm referring to a transit or natal retrograde mercury
(02:56:46) (ron) what would happen with a retrograde venus?
(02:57:04) (Blu) This week alone my schedule has changed daily, worked long hours and short hours. Lost my job, got my job back again...it has been in and out over and under up and down!
(02:57:40) (vjh) Ron, do you know if Blu has any planets in the fixed signs?
(02:57:56) (ron) with a retrograde venus?...well, i wonder if the person keep going back to the same old lover...
(02:58:09) (vjh) Do you know Blu? and what is your ascendent?
(02:58:27) (Blu) um
(02:58:34) (Blu) hang on I will have to get my chart out
(02:58:48) (ron) or, that love keeps coming back...vjh, what do you say?
(02:59:29) (vjh) It seems like my Venus is retrograde. I don't know how I can forget a thing like that but I have. And I've met up with some bum loves.
(02:59:30) (ron) she has 4 planets in fixed signs
(02:59:46) (vjh) then the grand cross is probably affecting her.
(02:59:59) (Blu) me?
(03:00:27) (vjh) Yes, if you have 4 planets in fixed signs there's no way you can not be affected by this grand cross.
(03:00:49) (Blu) ok, so if I just hide till spring will it be ok?
(03:01:00) (Blu) LOL
(03:01:05) (Blu) just kidding
(03:01:22) (vjh) well, till Mars gets further along in Taurus. When the Mars gets out of aspect that will be one step forward.
(03:01:26) (Blu) I should ahve a chart done for this year though
(03:01:45) (Blu) It's getting crazy out there
(03:02:00) (ron) if one is to personalize a transitting Grand Cross, i would take into consideration the houses that the Fixed signs are found in a natal chart
(03:02:05) (Blu) in all my years as a Detective I have never been hurt, but lately it's getting rough
(03:02:09) (vjh) Then there's still going to be Saturn and Jupiter and Neptune. Probably Saturn will be opposing Neptune for a while but those aren't such personal planets.
(03:02:59) (vjh) When Jupiter moves along so it's not squaring Saturn, things will get better too.
(03:03:38) (ron) to personalize the aspects between any 2 or more transitting planets, you will have to take into consideration the houses...otherwise it is a global thing for humanity
(03:05:12) (ron) transitting squares suggest adjustments, needed changes required...this is global
(03:07:26) (ron) open chat folks...
(03:17:49) (WalksInSpirit) Great chat today, Ron, as usual! Thank you!
(03:18:17) (ron) thanks for stopping by...i appreciate the company and support..is very encouraging
(03:18:28) (ron) all you guys
(03:18:38) (vjh) Yes, it was good Ron.
(03:18:45) (Blu) Thanks Ron, I may not grasp it all but at least I see more than I did!
(03:19:16) (ron) hey blu, i'm learning also :)
(03:19:24) (Lynn) I wish I had been here for the entire presentation, Ron. Zee tells me you are especially interesting. Thank you.
(03:19:46) (ron) ok lynn, i appreciate your compliment
