Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 31, 2005 15:35:46 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 10-31-05
(02:32:09) (ron) VIRGO - Virgo, the Virgin “CHRIST IN YOU THE HOOP OF GLORY”
(02:32:37) (ron) In Virgo, the energy of self-awareness generated in Leo now becomes more internally directed. The quest is then about brooding on dimly sensed spiritual realities, staying with these over a period of time, and giving them a place to grow. As the Christ stated, "Love one another as you love yourself." So first one must love themselves, then love others ... self-love is essential and precedes loving others.
(02:33:18) (ron) In Virgo, the energy of self-awareness generated in Leo now becomes more internally directed. The quest is then about brooding on dimly sensed spiritual realities, staying with these over a period of time, and giving them a place to grow. As the Christ stated, "Love one another as you love yourself." So first one must love themselves, then love others ... self-love is essential and precedes loving others.
(02:33:45) (ky-mike) YES
(02:33:46) (ron) In Leo, the personality has become fully integrated and is made ready to begin the process of coming under the influence of that greater guide, the Soul. In Virgo, the purpose for which the form has been created begins to be realized and now desires to shift from personality satisfaction toward the more internal yearning to know and understand spiritual reality.
(02:33:54) (bruno) so what do they say about us aquarians????
(02:34:30) (ron) Assigned to serve and guide the race of humanity, Virgo is the spotless queen of heaven and the mother goddess of nature who has never been touched by man, and yet is pregnant with myriad creatures that are to be born from her divine body.
(02:34:55) (diane) aha...you too , bruno? lol
(02:34:59) (ron) The ancient myths tell us Virgo, the Harvest Mother, was the first goddess assigned to serve the earth through the guiding of our peoples. Given to serve humanity she brought to them her sacred gift of love, the birth of the Christ consciousness in the human heart. As Virgo sadly surveyed the rampant desires and fears of those around her, she realized the gift she brought, the energy of love, had no receptacle as yet to grow in human form.
(02:35:36) (bruno) now I know why I march to my own beat.... lol
(02:35:45) (ron) Knowing the cyclic nature of all things, she reluctantly withdrew her life-giving instruction when her appointed time cyclically ended. (Her influence upon earth some 12,000 years ago, when Virgo was on the vernal equinox point, March 20, was seen through humanity’s dramatic shift from living as hunters and gatherers to becoming cultivators
(02:36:15) (ron) of crops.) She understood humanity was not yet ready for her divine gift—the consciousness of love. Knowing this, she tearfully turned her back on the human race and withdrew from the earth to take her place in the heavens.
(02:36:47) (ron) Virgo is about allowing the soul to grow and emerge, finally giving birth to the Christ consciousness, or full soul awareness, in its polar opposite Pisces. Virgo symbolizes depths, darkness, quiet and warmth, symbolic of the womb and hence, associated with the "cave experience." Slow, gentle, and powerful crises and development occur here in
(02:37:14) (ron) the dark, ultimately leading to light. (The three earth signs all deal with light in some way. The light of knowledge found in Taurus gives way to the light of wisdom gained in Virgo, culminating in the light of initiation in Capricorn.)
(02:38:20) (ron) The Virgin, the giving and loving mother, represents matter and the form, and in this sign the hidden divinity of each is nurtured and shielded until the gestation period is complete. There is an action component of Virgo, in that to truly prepare and nurture oneself to embody spiritual awareness, both inner and outer action is required. All of one’s
(02:39:07) (ron) efforts must be bent towards achieving this goal. The exacting, analytical mind of the Virgo native is perfect for this, with its compulsion to achieve perfection, and extreme attention to detail. As such, Virgo is the focal point for the expression of Active Intelligence, the highest function of mind working through matter.
(02:39:46) (bruno) is this another way of saying Perfectionist???
(02:40:12) (ron) Again we see the mother of the world aspect of Virgo demonstrated in its glyph—three vertical lines running through it, representing the three feminine aspects ... Eve, Isis and Mary. Eve is childless and represents the mind aspect of humanity; Isis, the emotional nature, and Mary, physical plane experience ... only Mary actually holds an infant in
(02:40:40) (ron) her arms in the religious art of the ages. She is the Virgin Mother, providing what is needed for the expression of the growing soul within. Esoterically, Virgo is the Cosmic Mother because she represents cosmically the negative pole to positive spirit.
(02:40:40) (ron) her arms in the religious art of the ages. She is the Virgin Mother, providing what is needed for the expression of the growing soul within. Esoterically, Virgo is the Cosmic Mother because she represents cosmically the negative pole to positive spirit.
(02:41:19) (ron) The Labour of Hercules deals with two women in the task of Virgo—taking the girdle of the Amazon queen, Hippolyte, and rescuing Hesione from a monstrous sea serpent. The first job he bungles badly, and kills the queen despite her efforts at peace and to assist him. The girdle had been given to her by Venus, queen of love, and
(02:41:21) (diane) wonder if Mary was a virgo?
(02:42:04) (ron) represents unity achieved through struggle and conflict, and also is a symbol of motherhood and of the sacred Child. Hercules murdered the queen unnecessarily and then redeemed himself with the heroic rescue of a stranger, putting his life on the line to do so.
(02:43:01) (ron) Some writings interpret the queen’s intention to be lacking a sense of love or unity in her interaction with Hercules, merely following orders from a superior and possibly provoking Hercules's anger. Also the Amazons worshipped the moon (the form) and Mars, god of war, and perhaps experienced this crisis as an evolutionary prod to embody the concepts of love and peace the girdle symbolizes.
(02:44:29) (ron) In fact, tolerance of others and their ways can be a real challenge for those born in Virgo. Ruled by Mercury for average humanity, Virgo’s attentiveness to details often veils the big picture—and the heart of things—allowing over-analysis to tear down the goodwill and unity represented by the girdle. Venus rules Virgo for advanced humanity, reinforcing the connection to the girdle’s qualities of love and peace.
(02:45:47) (ron) The brightest star in Virgo, Spica, means the ear of corn, again tying in the concept of nurturance associated with this sign. We receive sustenance from this constellation. As we progress around the Great Wheel of the zodiac, Virgo’s frequency stimulates us to "feed our Soul" through the qualities of introspection and eventually, service to others, the natural outpouring of one coming under the influence of their own Soul.
(02:46:54) (ron) The power of the sign of the Virgin is the fertility of nature, and she is shown holding in her hand a spike of grain with five kernels (in occult teaching, five is the number that represents humanity). Interestingly enough the Great Attractor, the point in the heavens and toward which all galaxies appear to be moving, is located in the belly of the Virgin. Even science verifies the powerful, magnetic influence this place has upon all matter.
(02:48:05) (ron) We achieve unity with the Virgin when we allow the Christ consciousness, that of love, to be born in the cave of our hearts (the cave represents the depth of matter itself). As love manifests itself more fully within ourselves, we
(02:48:16) (ron) naturally follow its light into fuller service and a wiser understanding of the plan on earth. And when this occurs, we are on our way to becoming divine sons and daughters of God, working through matter on the physical plane.
(02:49:10) (ron) In the mystic world, the Virgin is the human soul that, when cleansed of all early dross, then becomes purged and can receive the divine seed from the spirit of God. Virgo is the pregnant, expectant aspect of maternity; she is expecting
(02:49:27) (ron) the divine child in whom both principles of spirit and matter are blended into perfect unity. This child is born in every human life simply by the opening of the heart, and the subsequent desire to lovingly serve those around us.
(02:51:00) (ron) now, we take up the star Spica...that important star as mentioned earlier
(02:51:50) (JohnB) near pluto ? Ron
(02:53:07) (ky-mike) k
(02:53:24) (ron) jonhb, i think that the star Spica is in the sign of Virgo...symbol of an ear of corn
(02:53:36) (ron) rather in the constellation of virgo
(02:55:14) (ron) actually the star Spica is associated with the constellation of Virgo...it is actually in the constellation of Libra
(02:55:35) (ron) SPICA [23 Libra 50
(02:56:34) (ron) Spica is a brilliant flushed white helium-type star, the 16th brightest star in our night sky. Astronomers regard Spica as the standard example of a first magnitude star, due to its measured visual magnitude of exactly one. Wow, Spica is quite a dynamic star! Its luminosity is 2300 times more than our sun. It is 275 light years away from our solar system.
(02:56:36) (JohnB) alfa or delta area? Ron
(02:56:46) (JohnB) ty ron
(02:57:08) (ron) in the latter degrees of Libra, johnb...that is all know at the moment :)
(02:57:18) (ron) Spica is a brilliant flushed white helium-type star, the 16th brightest star in our night sky. Astronomers regard Spica as the standard example of a first magnitude star, due to its measured visual magnitude of exactly one. Wow, Spica is quite a dynamic star! Its luminosity is 2300 times more than our sun. It is 275 light years away from our solar system.
(02:57:46) (ron) Remember, this means it takes 275 years for the light emitted from Spica in present time to actually be visible to us on the Earth — what we see today is a 275-year old picture of Spica.
(02:58:08) (vjh) Not 275 but 275 light years.
(02:58:33) (ron) ok...vjh
(02:58:58) (vjh) our minds can't even graps the vast distances in astronomy.
(02:59:05) (ron) Spica lies in the left hand of Virgo about two degrees south of the ecliptic, the apparent path of the Sun in the heavens as viewed from the earth. Every year on October 16 the Sun conjuncts the star Spica.
(02:59:35) (ron) Spica is easily found by continuing the gradually curving line formed by the Big Dipper's handle — first to Arcturus, then "spiking" via a straight line directly to Spica another 30 degrees distant. It appears to be an equal distance from Arcturus as Arcturus is from the Dipper handle. Spica rises just as the Sun sets in early April, about an hour after Arcturus has risen.
(03:00:07) (ron) The best time to view the constellation Virgo is from February through July. October is the only month Spica is invisible. In early November, wake up well before dawn and look toward the eastern horizon and see Spica rising on the horizon. Spica, Regulus and Arcturus form a right angle triangle, with the line connecting Spica and Regulus forming the base.
(03:00:34) (ron) Spica is the brightest star in the constellation Virgo. The name Spica, from the Latin Spicum, is said to signify the ear of wheat Virgo holds in her left hand. The Arabic name Al Simak Al Zal seems to mean the Unarmed One and appears in a variety of medieval writings as the Solitary One. The Persian Chushe, the Syrian Shebbelta, and the
(03:00:41) (Whiteraven) we dont hav ethe big dipper her ein Southern hemisphere aye Ron ?
(03:01:08) (ron) i hope you are not in any trouble because of that ...:)
(03:01:26) (ron) Turkish Salkim may all be translated as the Ear of Wheat. The Sogian name Shaghar seems to honor the star as the "point" of the constellation Virgo.
(03:01:43) (ron) In Greek and Roman tradition the Virgin was generally identified with the goddess Astraea or dingbat, the personification of justice, daughter of Zeus and Themis, and the last of the deities to abandon the Earth at the end of the Golden Age. In another legend she is Persephone, daughter of the goddess of the harvest Ceres, and consequently
(03:02:09) (ron) associated with agricultural matters. In many parts of the classical world she is the wheat-bearing maiden or the daughter of the harvest.
(03:02:27) (ron) In Egypt, the goddess Isis's star Spica was honored as the Lute Bearer. A temple in Akhenaton's royal city was thought to be oriented to the setting of Spica. It may be said that this most individualistic and enigmatic of the Pharaohs, often considered the first monotheist in history, was actually paying tribute to His own divine wife, the exoterically lovely Nefertiti.
(03:02:59) (ron) In other lands, too, Virgo was associated with a great mother goddess — in Assyria she was the wife of Bel, in Babylonian lands she was Ishtar, Queen of the Stars, and in India she was identified with Kanya, the maiden and mother of Krishna. Medieval Christians saw her as the Madonna, or as Ruth of the fields; in Roman times, as the
(03:03:25) (ron) Goddess Pax with her olive branch. She has been identified with the Saxon goddess Eoestre or Eostre, whose name still survives in the observance of our Easter. She has also been honored as Diana, Minerva, Athena, and occasionally as Urania, muse of astronomy.
(03:03:57) (ron) The sign Virgo is one of the most significant in the zodiac, for its symbology concerns the whole goal of the evolutionary process — to shield, nurture and finally reveal the hidden spiritual reality. This every form veils, yet the human form is equipped and fitted to manifest spirit in a manner different from any other expression of divinity, and so make tangible an objective for which the whole creative process was intended.
(03:04:40) (ron) Virgo, the Virgin, stands for the womb of form and for the nurturing mother, guarding the Christ principle within her own material substance until in the "fullness of time" she can give birth to the Christ child.
(03:04:59) (ron) In Virgo the soul and the body are blended and of supreme importance to each other; the mother protects the germ of the Christ life; matter guards, cherishes and nurtures the hidden soul.
(03:05:20) (ron) The word Virgo itself is a descendant of a corruption of an ancient Atlantean root name applied to the mother principle in those far off times. This Virgin was the matriarch of a female-dominated society to which various myths and legends bear evidence, and have come down to us concerning Lilith, the last of the Virgin Goddesses of Atlantean times.
(03:05:56) (ron) This symbolism is also found in the traditional accounts of the ancient Amazons, whose Queen Hercules defeated in the Virgo task, wresting from her what he sought. This is an allegory, teaching the emergence of the spiritual person from the control of matter.
(03:06:23) (ron) Three of these goddesses are Eve, Isis and Mary. They embody the symbology of the entire form nature, and when these are integrated and functioning as a unit, is called the personality. The personality is the developed and qualified third expression of God, the Holy Spirit, the active intelligent and nurturing principle of the universe.
(03:06:51) (ron) Eve symbolizes the mental nature, the mind of humanity attracted by the lure of knowledge gained through the experience of incarnation. Eve took the apple of knowledge from the serpent of matter, starting the long human undertaking of experiment, experience and expression initiated — from the mental angle — in our Aryan times.
(03:07:46) (ron) Isis stands for this same expression down onto the emotional or astral plane. Eve has no child in her arms; the germ of the Christ life is too small to make its presence felt; the involutionary process too close. In Isis the midway point is reached; the quickening of that which is desired (the desire of all nations, as it is called in the Bible) has taken place. Isis consequently stands in the ancient zodiacs for fertility, for motherhood, and as guardian of the
(03:08:23) (ron) Mary carries the process down to the plane or place of incarnation, the physical plane, and there gives birth to the Christ child. In these three Virgins and these three Mothers of the Christ, you have the history of the formation and function of the three aspects of the personality through which the Christ must find expression. The sign of Virgo
(03:08:49) (ron) itself stands for a synthesis of these three feminine aspects — Eve, Isis and Mary. She is the Virgin Mother, providing for the mental, emotional, and physical expression of the hidden but ever present divinity. (*)
(03:09:09) (ron) Virgo is the sixth sign of the zodiac, and the six-pointed star is the ancient symbol, portraying as it does the process of involution as well as of evolution, carried to the point of balance and expressed for us in the relationship of Virgo to Libra. Astronomically Virgo is presently regarded as occupying the area in the heavens where Libra is found. This
(03:09:37) (ron) is all part of the great illusion which cosmology endeavors to grasp — there is a constant moving and shifting in space known as the precession of the equinoxes, which is both a fact and an illusion.
(03:10:04) (ron) Virgo symbolizes depths, darkness, quiet and warmth; it is the valley of deep experience wherein secrets are discovered and eventually brought to light. It is the place of slow, gentle and yet powerful crisis and periodic developments taking place in the dark and yet leading to light. It is the blinded stage found in Masonic rituals, and
(03:10:32) (ron) ever precedes the gift of light. Virgo stands for the womb of time wherein God's plan is slowly matured and ? with pain and discomfort through struggle and conflict ? brought into manifestation at the end of the appointed time.
(03:11:01) (ron) Today we are entering into the eighth "month" of the gestation period, age-wise; this is almost literally the case where humanity is concerned for counting from Virgo to Aquarius, the age we are now entering, we find that there are just eight signs: Virgo, Leo, Cancer, Gemini, Taurus, Aries, Pisces and Aquarius.
(03:11:25) (ron) END...open chat
(03:11:46) (crystal) thanks ron
(03:11:48) (Whiteraven) WOW WOW WOW Ron awesome thank you sooo much
(03:11:58) (ron) thanks WR
(03:12:28) (WalksInSpirit) Wow! Thanks, Ron! I love this esoteric view of the signs! Great info!!!
(03:12:35) (ky-mike) ty ron
(03:13:00) (ron) thanks WIS...appreciate you stopping by
(03:13:24) (vjh) I like to know about fixed stars. I don't know much about them.
(03:13:30) (JohnB) when are you writing your book? ron
(03:14:10) (vjh) What is Chiron, a bunch of stars?
(03:14:30) (ron) no book johnb....vjh, regarding fixed stars...i'll being doing all them later...just a few now if it doesn't take too much time
(03:14:32) (diane) ty ron. very enlightening
(03:14:37) (Whiteraven) gee Ron Iwish I could sit with you in a workshop learning environement to learn this
(03:14:58) (ron) thanks diane...always glad to see you
(03:15:20) (diane) yes raven, we need guidance..homework and such
(03:15:30) (ron) what are you interested in WR? "environment"
(03:15:46) (ky-mike) advance the soul ... i call it
(03:16:33) (JohnB) chiron is the sign of the wounded healer and warrior vjh
(03:17:35) (Whiteraven) Ron I mean i wish we could gather together and discuss these things ...astrology has never grabbed me before but the way you speak of it ...it has such depth of meaning ...so much insight ...love it
(03:17:57) (vjh) I know but there's not a whole lot known about Chiron.
(03:19:20) (ron) WR, to study astrology from a serious level?...vjh and i have spoke of such a possibility...maybe at some open chat
(03:19:41) (Whiteraven) oh okay Ron
(03:20:06) (vjh) My friend says Chiron upsets the apple cart but then everything goes back into divine order.
(03:20:16) (ron) i have something on Chiron...didn't i put it on aa earlier chat vjh?...i don't remember
(03:21:09) (vjh) I don't remember seeing it.
(03:21:09) (diane) sorry, but what's Chiron? A constellation?
(03:21:15) (ron) i think that is what is happening to me now...at least it seems so....ihope so
(03:22:35) (vjh) Chiron is the end of Capricorn squaring Jupiter right now I think.
(03:22:50) (diane) A star?
(03:24:36) (ron) with Jupiter, vjh, a healing that comes from the past may take place
(03:24:48) (JohnB) Centaurus (The Centaur Chiron)
(03:25:17) (JohnB) to the other side of the street. However, there
(03:25:18) (diane) Chiron is a constellation, then?
(03:25:37) (JohnB) One day, Chiron went to Hercules and asked to see his poisoned arrows for some
(03:25:57) (JohnB) arrow on Chiron's foot. The wound, although not fatal, was
(03:26:19) (ron) Chiron is an astroid. diane
(03:26:28) (JohnB) and gave him immortal
(03:26:43) (diane) ty ron
(03:26:51) (JohnB) SUPERSTAR: When people predict the future of space travel, they often include a
(03:27:06) (ron) i have a text on Chiron if you want me to put in on?
(03:27:09) (JohnB) No problem, right?
(03:27:27) (JohnB) www.spaceday.org/conmgmt/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=162&op=page&SubMenu=
(03:27:47) (JohnB) this taken from that site ron
(03:28:54) (ron) WR, i didn't write the text on any of these constellations...i am taking them from commentary from a book by Alice A. Bailey called Esoteric Astrology
(02:32:37) (ron) In Virgo, the energy of self-awareness generated in Leo now becomes more internally directed. The quest is then about brooding on dimly sensed spiritual realities, staying with these over a period of time, and giving them a place to grow. As the Christ stated, "Love one another as you love yourself." So first one must love themselves, then love others ... self-love is essential and precedes loving others.
(02:33:18) (ron) In Virgo, the energy of self-awareness generated in Leo now becomes more internally directed. The quest is then about brooding on dimly sensed spiritual realities, staying with these over a period of time, and giving them a place to grow. As the Christ stated, "Love one another as you love yourself." So first one must love themselves, then love others ... self-love is essential and precedes loving others.
(02:33:45) (ky-mike) YES
(02:33:46) (ron) In Leo, the personality has become fully integrated and is made ready to begin the process of coming under the influence of that greater guide, the Soul. In Virgo, the purpose for which the form has been created begins to be realized and now desires to shift from personality satisfaction toward the more internal yearning to know and understand spiritual reality.
(02:33:54) (bruno) so what do they say about us aquarians????
(02:34:30) (ron) Assigned to serve and guide the race of humanity, Virgo is the spotless queen of heaven and the mother goddess of nature who has never been touched by man, and yet is pregnant with myriad creatures that are to be born from her divine body.
(02:34:55) (diane) aha...you too , bruno? lol
(02:34:59) (ron) The ancient myths tell us Virgo, the Harvest Mother, was the first goddess assigned to serve the earth through the guiding of our peoples. Given to serve humanity she brought to them her sacred gift of love, the birth of the Christ consciousness in the human heart. As Virgo sadly surveyed the rampant desires and fears of those around her, she realized the gift she brought, the energy of love, had no receptacle as yet to grow in human form.
(02:35:36) (bruno) now I know why I march to my own beat.... lol
(02:35:45) (ron) Knowing the cyclic nature of all things, she reluctantly withdrew her life-giving instruction when her appointed time cyclically ended. (Her influence upon earth some 12,000 years ago, when Virgo was on the vernal equinox point, March 20, was seen through humanity’s dramatic shift from living as hunters and gatherers to becoming cultivators
(02:36:15) (ron) of crops.) She understood humanity was not yet ready for her divine gift—the consciousness of love. Knowing this, she tearfully turned her back on the human race and withdrew from the earth to take her place in the heavens.
(02:36:47) (ron) Virgo is about allowing the soul to grow and emerge, finally giving birth to the Christ consciousness, or full soul awareness, in its polar opposite Pisces. Virgo symbolizes depths, darkness, quiet and warmth, symbolic of the womb and hence, associated with the "cave experience." Slow, gentle, and powerful crises and development occur here in
(02:37:14) (ron) the dark, ultimately leading to light. (The three earth signs all deal with light in some way. The light of knowledge found in Taurus gives way to the light of wisdom gained in Virgo, culminating in the light of initiation in Capricorn.)
(02:38:20) (ron) The Virgin, the giving and loving mother, represents matter and the form, and in this sign the hidden divinity of each is nurtured and shielded until the gestation period is complete. There is an action component of Virgo, in that to truly prepare and nurture oneself to embody spiritual awareness, both inner and outer action is required. All of one’s
(02:39:07) (ron) efforts must be bent towards achieving this goal. The exacting, analytical mind of the Virgo native is perfect for this, with its compulsion to achieve perfection, and extreme attention to detail. As such, Virgo is the focal point for the expression of Active Intelligence, the highest function of mind working through matter.
(02:39:46) (bruno) is this another way of saying Perfectionist???
(02:40:12) (ron) Again we see the mother of the world aspect of Virgo demonstrated in its glyph—three vertical lines running through it, representing the three feminine aspects ... Eve, Isis and Mary. Eve is childless and represents the mind aspect of humanity; Isis, the emotional nature, and Mary, physical plane experience ... only Mary actually holds an infant in
(02:40:40) (ron) her arms in the religious art of the ages. She is the Virgin Mother, providing what is needed for the expression of the growing soul within. Esoterically, Virgo is the Cosmic Mother because she represents cosmically the negative pole to positive spirit.
(02:40:40) (ron) her arms in the religious art of the ages. She is the Virgin Mother, providing what is needed for the expression of the growing soul within. Esoterically, Virgo is the Cosmic Mother because she represents cosmically the negative pole to positive spirit.
(02:41:19) (ron) The Labour of Hercules deals with two women in the task of Virgo—taking the girdle of the Amazon queen, Hippolyte, and rescuing Hesione from a monstrous sea serpent. The first job he bungles badly, and kills the queen despite her efforts at peace and to assist him. The girdle had been given to her by Venus, queen of love, and
(02:41:21) (diane) wonder if Mary was a virgo?
(02:42:04) (ron) represents unity achieved through struggle and conflict, and also is a symbol of motherhood and of the sacred Child. Hercules murdered the queen unnecessarily and then redeemed himself with the heroic rescue of a stranger, putting his life on the line to do so.
(02:43:01) (ron) Some writings interpret the queen’s intention to be lacking a sense of love or unity in her interaction with Hercules, merely following orders from a superior and possibly provoking Hercules's anger. Also the Amazons worshipped the moon (the form) and Mars, god of war, and perhaps experienced this crisis as an evolutionary prod to embody the concepts of love and peace the girdle symbolizes.
(02:44:29) (ron) In fact, tolerance of others and their ways can be a real challenge for those born in Virgo. Ruled by Mercury for average humanity, Virgo’s attentiveness to details often veils the big picture—and the heart of things—allowing over-analysis to tear down the goodwill and unity represented by the girdle. Venus rules Virgo for advanced humanity, reinforcing the connection to the girdle’s qualities of love and peace.
(02:45:47) (ron) The brightest star in Virgo, Spica, means the ear of corn, again tying in the concept of nurturance associated with this sign. We receive sustenance from this constellation. As we progress around the Great Wheel of the zodiac, Virgo’s frequency stimulates us to "feed our Soul" through the qualities of introspection and eventually, service to others, the natural outpouring of one coming under the influence of their own Soul.
(02:46:54) (ron) The power of the sign of the Virgin is the fertility of nature, and she is shown holding in her hand a spike of grain with five kernels (in occult teaching, five is the number that represents humanity). Interestingly enough the Great Attractor, the point in the heavens and toward which all galaxies appear to be moving, is located in the belly of the Virgin. Even science verifies the powerful, magnetic influence this place has upon all matter.
(02:48:05) (ron) We achieve unity with the Virgin when we allow the Christ consciousness, that of love, to be born in the cave of our hearts (the cave represents the depth of matter itself). As love manifests itself more fully within ourselves, we
(02:48:16) (ron) naturally follow its light into fuller service and a wiser understanding of the plan on earth. And when this occurs, we are on our way to becoming divine sons and daughters of God, working through matter on the physical plane.
(02:49:10) (ron) In the mystic world, the Virgin is the human soul that, when cleansed of all early dross, then becomes purged and can receive the divine seed from the spirit of God. Virgo is the pregnant, expectant aspect of maternity; she is expecting
(02:49:27) (ron) the divine child in whom both principles of spirit and matter are blended into perfect unity. This child is born in every human life simply by the opening of the heart, and the subsequent desire to lovingly serve those around us.
(02:51:00) (ron) now, we take up the star Spica...that important star as mentioned earlier
(02:51:50) (JohnB) near pluto ? Ron
(02:53:07) (ky-mike) k
(02:53:24) (ron) jonhb, i think that the star Spica is in the sign of Virgo...symbol of an ear of corn
(02:53:36) (ron) rather in the constellation of virgo
(02:55:14) (ron) actually the star Spica is associated with the constellation of Virgo...it is actually in the constellation of Libra
(02:55:35) (ron) SPICA [23 Libra 50
(02:56:34) (ron) Spica is a brilliant flushed white helium-type star, the 16th brightest star in our night sky. Astronomers regard Spica as the standard example of a first magnitude star, due to its measured visual magnitude of exactly one. Wow, Spica is quite a dynamic star! Its luminosity is 2300 times more than our sun. It is 275 light years away from our solar system.
(02:56:36) (JohnB) alfa or delta area? Ron
(02:56:46) (JohnB) ty ron
(02:57:08) (ron) in the latter degrees of Libra, johnb...that is all know at the moment :)
(02:57:18) (ron) Spica is a brilliant flushed white helium-type star, the 16th brightest star in our night sky. Astronomers regard Spica as the standard example of a first magnitude star, due to its measured visual magnitude of exactly one. Wow, Spica is quite a dynamic star! Its luminosity is 2300 times more than our sun. It is 275 light years away from our solar system.
(02:57:46) (ron) Remember, this means it takes 275 years for the light emitted from Spica in present time to actually be visible to us on the Earth — what we see today is a 275-year old picture of Spica.
(02:58:08) (vjh) Not 275 but 275 light years.
(02:58:33) (ron) ok...vjh
(02:58:58) (vjh) our minds can't even graps the vast distances in astronomy.
(02:59:05) (ron) Spica lies in the left hand of Virgo about two degrees south of the ecliptic, the apparent path of the Sun in the heavens as viewed from the earth. Every year on October 16 the Sun conjuncts the star Spica.
(02:59:35) (ron) Spica is easily found by continuing the gradually curving line formed by the Big Dipper's handle — first to Arcturus, then "spiking" via a straight line directly to Spica another 30 degrees distant. It appears to be an equal distance from Arcturus as Arcturus is from the Dipper handle. Spica rises just as the Sun sets in early April, about an hour after Arcturus has risen.
(03:00:07) (ron) The best time to view the constellation Virgo is from February through July. October is the only month Spica is invisible. In early November, wake up well before dawn and look toward the eastern horizon and see Spica rising on the horizon. Spica, Regulus and Arcturus form a right angle triangle, with the line connecting Spica and Regulus forming the base.
(03:00:34) (ron) Spica is the brightest star in the constellation Virgo. The name Spica, from the Latin Spicum, is said to signify the ear of wheat Virgo holds in her left hand. The Arabic name Al Simak Al Zal seems to mean the Unarmed One and appears in a variety of medieval writings as the Solitary One. The Persian Chushe, the Syrian Shebbelta, and the
(03:00:41) (Whiteraven) we dont hav ethe big dipper her ein Southern hemisphere aye Ron ?
(03:01:08) (ron) i hope you are not in any trouble because of that ...:)
(03:01:26) (ron) Turkish Salkim may all be translated as the Ear of Wheat. The Sogian name Shaghar seems to honor the star as the "point" of the constellation Virgo.
(03:01:43) (ron) In Greek and Roman tradition the Virgin was generally identified with the goddess Astraea or dingbat, the personification of justice, daughter of Zeus and Themis, and the last of the deities to abandon the Earth at the end of the Golden Age. In another legend she is Persephone, daughter of the goddess of the harvest Ceres, and consequently
(03:02:09) (ron) associated with agricultural matters. In many parts of the classical world she is the wheat-bearing maiden or the daughter of the harvest.
(03:02:27) (ron) In Egypt, the goddess Isis's star Spica was honored as the Lute Bearer. A temple in Akhenaton's royal city was thought to be oriented to the setting of Spica. It may be said that this most individualistic and enigmatic of the Pharaohs, often considered the first monotheist in history, was actually paying tribute to His own divine wife, the exoterically lovely Nefertiti.
(03:02:59) (ron) In other lands, too, Virgo was associated with a great mother goddess — in Assyria she was the wife of Bel, in Babylonian lands she was Ishtar, Queen of the Stars, and in India she was identified with Kanya, the maiden and mother of Krishna. Medieval Christians saw her as the Madonna, or as Ruth of the fields; in Roman times, as the
(03:03:25) (ron) Goddess Pax with her olive branch. She has been identified with the Saxon goddess Eoestre or Eostre, whose name still survives in the observance of our Easter. She has also been honored as Diana, Minerva, Athena, and occasionally as Urania, muse of astronomy.
(03:03:57) (ron) The sign Virgo is one of the most significant in the zodiac, for its symbology concerns the whole goal of the evolutionary process — to shield, nurture and finally reveal the hidden spiritual reality. This every form veils, yet the human form is equipped and fitted to manifest spirit in a manner different from any other expression of divinity, and so make tangible an objective for which the whole creative process was intended.
(03:04:40) (ron) Virgo, the Virgin, stands for the womb of form and for the nurturing mother, guarding the Christ principle within her own material substance until in the "fullness of time" she can give birth to the Christ child.
(03:04:59) (ron) In Virgo the soul and the body are blended and of supreme importance to each other; the mother protects the germ of the Christ life; matter guards, cherishes and nurtures the hidden soul.
(03:05:20) (ron) The word Virgo itself is a descendant of a corruption of an ancient Atlantean root name applied to the mother principle in those far off times. This Virgin was the matriarch of a female-dominated society to which various myths and legends bear evidence, and have come down to us concerning Lilith, the last of the Virgin Goddesses of Atlantean times.
(03:05:56) (ron) This symbolism is also found in the traditional accounts of the ancient Amazons, whose Queen Hercules defeated in the Virgo task, wresting from her what he sought. This is an allegory, teaching the emergence of the spiritual person from the control of matter.
(03:06:23) (ron) Three of these goddesses are Eve, Isis and Mary. They embody the symbology of the entire form nature, and when these are integrated and functioning as a unit, is called the personality. The personality is the developed and qualified third expression of God, the Holy Spirit, the active intelligent and nurturing principle of the universe.
(03:06:51) (ron) Eve symbolizes the mental nature, the mind of humanity attracted by the lure of knowledge gained through the experience of incarnation. Eve took the apple of knowledge from the serpent of matter, starting the long human undertaking of experiment, experience and expression initiated — from the mental angle — in our Aryan times.
(03:07:46) (ron) Isis stands for this same expression down onto the emotional or astral plane. Eve has no child in her arms; the germ of the Christ life is too small to make its presence felt; the involutionary process too close. In Isis the midway point is reached; the quickening of that which is desired (the desire of all nations, as it is called in the Bible) has taken place. Isis consequently stands in the ancient zodiacs for fertility, for motherhood, and as guardian of the
(03:08:23) (ron) Mary carries the process down to the plane or place of incarnation, the physical plane, and there gives birth to the Christ child. In these three Virgins and these three Mothers of the Christ, you have the history of the formation and function of the three aspects of the personality through which the Christ must find expression. The sign of Virgo
(03:08:49) (ron) itself stands for a synthesis of these three feminine aspects — Eve, Isis and Mary. She is the Virgin Mother, providing for the mental, emotional, and physical expression of the hidden but ever present divinity. (*)
(03:09:09) (ron) Virgo is the sixth sign of the zodiac, and the six-pointed star is the ancient symbol, portraying as it does the process of involution as well as of evolution, carried to the point of balance and expressed for us in the relationship of Virgo to Libra. Astronomically Virgo is presently regarded as occupying the area in the heavens where Libra is found. This
(03:09:37) (ron) is all part of the great illusion which cosmology endeavors to grasp — there is a constant moving and shifting in space known as the precession of the equinoxes, which is both a fact and an illusion.
(03:10:04) (ron) Virgo symbolizes depths, darkness, quiet and warmth; it is the valley of deep experience wherein secrets are discovered and eventually brought to light. It is the place of slow, gentle and yet powerful crisis and periodic developments taking place in the dark and yet leading to light. It is the blinded stage found in Masonic rituals, and
(03:10:32) (ron) ever precedes the gift of light. Virgo stands for the womb of time wherein God's plan is slowly matured and ? with pain and discomfort through struggle and conflict ? brought into manifestation at the end of the appointed time.
(03:11:01) (ron) Today we are entering into the eighth "month" of the gestation period, age-wise; this is almost literally the case where humanity is concerned for counting from Virgo to Aquarius, the age we are now entering, we find that there are just eight signs: Virgo, Leo, Cancer, Gemini, Taurus, Aries, Pisces and Aquarius.
(03:11:25) (ron) END...open chat
(03:11:46) (crystal) thanks ron
(03:11:48) (Whiteraven) WOW WOW WOW Ron awesome thank you sooo much
(03:11:58) (ron) thanks WR
(03:12:28) (WalksInSpirit) Wow! Thanks, Ron! I love this esoteric view of the signs! Great info!!!
(03:12:35) (ky-mike) ty ron
(03:13:00) (ron) thanks WIS...appreciate you stopping by
(03:13:24) (vjh) I like to know about fixed stars. I don't know much about them.
(03:13:30) (JohnB) when are you writing your book? ron
(03:14:10) (vjh) What is Chiron, a bunch of stars?
(03:14:30) (ron) no book johnb....vjh, regarding fixed stars...i'll being doing all them later...just a few now if it doesn't take too much time
(03:14:32) (diane) ty ron. very enlightening
(03:14:37) (Whiteraven) gee Ron Iwish I could sit with you in a workshop learning environement to learn this
(03:14:58) (ron) thanks diane...always glad to see you
(03:15:20) (diane) yes raven, we need guidance..homework and such
(03:15:30) (ron) what are you interested in WR? "environment"
(03:15:46) (ky-mike) advance the soul ... i call it
(03:16:33) (JohnB) chiron is the sign of the wounded healer and warrior vjh
(03:17:35) (Whiteraven) Ron I mean i wish we could gather together and discuss these things ...astrology has never grabbed me before but the way you speak of it ...it has such depth of meaning ...so much insight ...love it
(03:17:57) (vjh) I know but there's not a whole lot known about Chiron.
(03:19:20) (ron) WR, to study astrology from a serious level?...vjh and i have spoke of such a possibility...maybe at some open chat
(03:19:41) (Whiteraven) oh okay Ron
(03:20:06) (vjh) My friend says Chiron upsets the apple cart but then everything goes back into divine order.
(03:20:16) (ron) i have something on Chiron...didn't i put it on aa earlier chat vjh?...i don't remember
(03:21:09) (vjh) I don't remember seeing it.
(03:21:09) (diane) sorry, but what's Chiron? A constellation?
(03:21:15) (ron) i think that is what is happening to me now...at least it seems so....ihope so
(03:22:35) (vjh) Chiron is the end of Capricorn squaring Jupiter right now I think.
(03:22:50) (diane) A star?
(03:24:36) (ron) with Jupiter, vjh, a healing that comes from the past may take place
(03:24:48) (JohnB) Centaurus (The Centaur Chiron)
(03:25:17) (JohnB) to the other side of the street. However, there
(03:25:18) (diane) Chiron is a constellation, then?
(03:25:37) (JohnB) One day, Chiron went to Hercules and asked to see his poisoned arrows for some
(03:25:57) (JohnB) arrow on Chiron's foot. The wound, although not fatal, was
(03:26:19) (ron) Chiron is an astroid. diane
(03:26:28) (JohnB) and gave him immortal
(03:26:43) (diane) ty ron
(03:26:51) (JohnB) SUPERSTAR: When people predict the future of space travel, they often include a
(03:27:06) (ron) i have a text on Chiron if you want me to put in on?
(03:27:09) (JohnB) No problem, right?
(03:27:27) (JohnB) www.spaceday.org/conmgmt/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=162&op=page&SubMenu=
(03:27:47) (JohnB) this taken from that site ron
(03:28:54) (ron) WR, i didn't write the text on any of these constellations...i am taking them from commentary from a book by Alice A. Bailey called Esoteric Astrology
