Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 17, 2005 15:22:43 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 10-17-05
(01:19:30) (ron) i was asked to do some review today...is that ok?...or do any of you wish move a little bit ahead as well
(01:19:33) (Raleigh) i like your class ron'
(01:20:09) (ron) thanks ral...i appreciate having you here... i like our earlier conversations
(01:30:19) (ron) ARIES - "I COME FORTH AND FROM THE PLANE OF MIND, I RULE"
(01:31:38) (ron) INTRODUCTION TO OUR 12 ZODIACAL DEITIES
(01:32:03) (ron) We live in a swirling sea of magnetic forces, smaller fields contained within even greater fields, expanding throughout infinity. As our understanding increases, a new picture of the universe emerges — one of vast cosmic
(01:32:12) (Qrious) you just gave me an epiphany.. thanks.
(01:33:21) (ron) We live in a swirling sea of magnetic forces, smaller fields contained within even greater fields, expanding throughout infinity. As our understanding increases, a new picture of the universe emerges — one of vast cosmic
(01:33:43) (ron) interdependence and connectedness. From first cosmic dawning to the last electron's feeble light, the whole universe is a complex of coils within coils, spirals within spirals, magnetic fields within magnetic fields.
(01:34:16) (ron) The stars are interconnected with each other, exchanging particles and gases constantly, all flowing along magnetic field lines which are the arteries of the galactic body. The galaxy's coiled field lines diverge into
(01:34:38) (ron) intergalactic space where they ultimately connect to other galaxies. Do these tendrils of energy act as the nervous system of the universe, relaying information from star to star, galaxy to galaxy, on and on? One can only wonder.
(01:35:27) (ron) Zodiacal Deities examines the conditioning effects upon humanity by the specialized and quite unique energies of the star groups comprising the zodiac. We hold these star groups to be conscious, living entities in whose greater bodies we reside.
(01:35:28) (Raleigh) these are called lines of flux ron
(01:35:36) (ron) ok ral
(01:35:48) (Qrious) I think your hitting on something.. a pattern of Macrocosm.. and we are its microcosm.
(01:35:57) (Raleigh) i am electricity / electronics trained ya know
(01:36:31) (ron) Traditionally the zodiac is described as the imaginary path of the sun through the heavens. This path "exists" only from our earth's perspective. If you were observing the path of our sun from another planet or body in space, our sun would appear to "be traveling through" different constellations at different times of the year, to be on an
(01:37:22) (ron) entirely different path through the heavens. This path is largely an illusion but at the same time the 12 zodiacal constellations do exist as great beings, and the streams of energy which pass and repass, intermingle and interlock throughout space are by no means illusions. They express eternal cosmic relationships.
(01:38:16) (ron) The science of astrology is a study of the interlocking forces of all the 12 constellations as they pour into and through all the kingdoms in nature, carrying with them also their own individual qualities as well as those of the seven rays, focused through the sacred and non-sacred planets of our solar system — the discovered and
(01:38:47) (ron) undiscovered planetary Lives. The vision of these powers and their many weaving lines, seen as rivers and streams of light, is given to the initiate from the mountaintop of Capricorn, once that summit is reached.
(01:39:29) (ron) See how they emphacize the sign of Capricorn :)
(01:39:37) (Raleigh) why
(01:39:41) (Blu) LOL
(01:39:46) (Qrious) seven rays huh? could you touch on them when you have time?
(01:39:49) (Raleigh) the goat why
(01:40:04) (Blu) yeah, I have a lot of comments here myself
(01:40:05) (ron) As the various energies and forces circulate throughout the etheric body of our solar system — itself a Great Being — their effects depend on the state of the planetary centers, and upon the point of unfoldment of the centres within the individual planets themselves. Those great zodiacal entities who qualify life as we know it imprint their frequencies or harmonic resonance on the various vehicles that comprise a human being.
(01:40:12) (Raleigh) oh ok
(01:40:30) (Raleigh) slow down just a little ron ok
(01:40:41) (ron) ok...brake
(01:40:46) (Raleigh) lol
(01:41:00) (Raleigh) ok why caprocorn
(01:41:04) (diane) mountain top
(01:41:11) (Raleigh) why is it speacial ron?
(01:41:12) (diane) cap is a mountain goat
(01:41:18) (Blu) because it is the first sign of the zxodiac ral
(01:41:25) (Raleigh) hmmm
(01:41:28) (Qrious) so that would mean that our chakras will pick up on these frequencies then.. like an antenna?
(01:41:33) (Raleigh) aris is not?
(01:41:44) (ron) in time (capricorn) we will be doing the sign of Capricorn...must be patient (capricorn)
(01:41:50) (Raleigh) k
(01:41:59) (Blu) could be Q
(01:42:24) (Blu) that description of the frequencies really sounds like how Cayce describes the act of meditation
(01:42:26) (Qrious) it sounds so simular though doesn't it..like a map.
(01:42:29) (Raleigh) well gee i mixed up the goat with the ram i guess ron lol
(01:42:48) (Blu) yep
(01:43:03) (ron) capricorn is reaching the top of the mountain...the highest point in the zodiac...in the 10th house...hightest house in the natural wheel
(01:43:12) (Raleigh) hhhm yes as seven rrAYS I SEE THIS AS WELLL
(01:43:16) (Raleigh) oops
(01:43:43) (ron) nearest point to heaven...and not without a struggle (capricorn)
(01:44:07) (ron) a struggle for the end of all incarnations
(01:44:16) (Blu) You told us Ron something I did not realize and that is that the cappy is the symbol of the unicorn
(01:44:21) (Qrious) sounds like the spokes to a wheel.. and all of us are individual hubs of a particular wheel.
(01:44:25) (Raleigh) explain this plese ron
(01:44:38) (ron) explain what ral?
(01:44:53) (Raleigh) because of thepp atience do you mean ron
(01:44:59) (ron) i am not that familiar with esoteric astrology
(01:45:07) (Raleigh) k
(01:45:30) (diane) what is esoteric astrol?
(01:45:41) (Raleigh) im ok ron please continue
(01:45:43) (Qrious) yeah. I forgot what that word means too.
(01:46:18) (ron) patience is the key to life..for eternal happiness...patience is an attribute of capricorn...time and patience and essential key to overcome the earth..is represented strongly in the sign of capricorn
(01:47:07) (ron) as well as the earth signs...but on different levels of accomplisment
(01:47:32) (ron) the sure footed goat
(01:48:02) (Blu) time + patience = will of God
(01:48:29) (Qrious) esoteric.. oh.. you found it too.. k.
(01:48:30) (ron) if the goat doesn't keep the eye above as can be represented by the unicorn...the mountain goat can lose its footing and fall back to earth
(01:48:56) (Raleigh) oh ok ron yes i see now and yes lu patience and time i know tis weell too
(01:48:57) (ron) and die again...
(01:49:51) (Raleigh) th eunicorn as described in scripure is hmmm
(01:50:15) (Qrious) the true word in hebrew is ox Ral.
(01:50:20) (Raleigh) has two horns and is as an oxen kida ron btw
(01:50:31) (Raleigh) yes q
(01:50:40) (Raleigh) gee you do study huh q
(01:50:46) (ron) esoteric = hidden, veiled, secret...higher knowledge
(01:50:57) (diane) ty ron
(01:50:57) (ron) ok moving ahead
(01:51:15) (ron) ARIES
(01:51:16) (Raleigh) ok ron
(01:51:33) (Raleigh) oh fun i am part aris
(01:51:44) (Qrious) even if it was true.. it wouldn't matter Ral.. you have your own oppinion .
(01:51:59) (ron) higher knowledge, like what is known as mycitism, mystery, secret
(01:52:15) (Raleigh) yes q ty so much for forghiving me as wel ok
(01:52:26) (ron) Aries is called the Light of Life Itself. "It is the 'searchlight of the Logos, seeking that which can be used' for divine expression." (1) The secret of Aries is the secret of beginnings, of cycles and of emerging opportunity. It is a sign of commencement.
(01:53:19) (ron) Symbolized by the Ram, Aries is the first sign of the zodiac and begins the cycle around the great wheel. This is the constellation used to stream the first ray of Will or Power to the planet. Aries expresses will or power through the creative process and "awakens the will to reach the lowest and there control, to know the uttermost and thus to
(01:53:28) (Qrious) is this the sign that begins the astrological zodiac?
(01:53:35) (ron) yes
(01:53:40) (Raleigh) no cap is
(01:53:54) (Raleigh) oh now i am confused lol
(01:54:04) (ron) "Aries is the first sign of the zodiac"
(01:54:11) (Raleigh) lol
(01:54:12) (Raleigh) k
(01:54:24) (ron) found in the above paragraph...read carefully
(01:54:24) (diane) Many thanks WIS
(01:54:45) (Raleigh) i thopught that you just told me that ccaprocorn was ron ok
(01:54:50) (Qrious) you think that maybe its like a sacraficial Ram.. umblemished.. used to clothe Adam and Eve.. and spilt its blood for a remission of sins.. symbology wise I mean..?
(01:55:17) (ron) capricorn is the 10th sign of the zodiac...it took a long TIME to reach that point
(01:55:20) (Raleigh) yes q as the ram of jacobas wellll
(01:55:22) (Qrious) The begining of woes.. sin.. knowledge.. etc?
(01:55:53) (Qrious) as in Genisis Ral.. is what I mean.
(01:55:59) (Raleigh) ok ron i am ok i am going to pay closer atention then ty ron
(01:56:08) (ron) capricorn is SACRIFCE...sacrifice of the lower emotions thus the earth itself
(01:56:09) (Raleigh) ok q
(01:56:23) (Qrious) when time began with the ages of Adam and his lineage.
(01:56:25) (ron) true freedom
(01:56:49) (ron) free from the limitations of the earth
(01:57:23) (Qrious) But a goat was not considered as sacred as a ram.. thats why I thought perhaps it was different.. like with Issac.. the sacrafice was a ram.
(01:57:36) (ron) not just you ral...other comments as well...did not read carefully
(01:57:46) (Raleigh) ok ron then now please ccontinue on aris if you would please no more question i have ok ron
(01:58:03) (ron) Symbolized by the Ram, Aries is the first sign of the zodiac and begins the cycle around the great wheel. This is the constellation used to stream the first ray of Will or Power to the planet. Aries expresses will or power through the creative process and "awakens the will to reach the lowest and there control, to know the uttermost and thus to
(01:58:22) (ron) face all experience." (2) This sign is connected to the vibratory activity of the soul under impulse from the monad, and as such, is the sign the initial idea to initiate activity takes form, initiating the cycle of manifestation. All souls enter into human incarnation for the first time in the sign of Cancer, having emerged as mental entities in Aries, as emotional-desire entities in Taurus and as vital entities in Gemini, taking a physical form in Cancer.
(01:59:22) (Raleigh) define monad please ron
(02:00:01) (ron) one moment...i'll get dictionary definition for you and others
(02:00:26) (Raleigh) oh its ok ron please contiue its ok il find it ty
(02:00:41) (Qrious) That word is used alot also in the Nag Hammadi Ral..I think it means like the divine intelligence.
(02:00:45) (ron) in theosophical writings, i believe they use the terms Atma and Buddhi...Spirit and higher mind...but i'll check
(02:00:48) (Raleigh) k ty
(02:00:56) (WalksInSpirit) Monad: [n] a singular metaphysical entity from which material properties are said to derive
(02:01:29) (ron) here goes...
(02:02:40) (Raleigh) all things are spirit btw
(02:03:11) (Raleigh) energy does not come from things
(02:03:29) (ron) The Unity, the ONE; but in Occultism it often means the unified triad, Atma-Buddhi-Manas, or the duad, Atma-Buddhi, that immortal part of man whichreincarnates in the lower kingdoms, and gradually progresses through them to Man and then to the final goal - Nirvana
(02:03:29) (Raleigh) energy is what things are made of
(02:03:50) (Raleigh) ok ron thank so much
(02:04:47) (ron) face all experience." (2) This sign is connected to the vibratory activity of the soul under impulse from the monad, and as such, is the sign the initial idea to initiate activity takes form, initiating the cycle of manifestation. All souls enter into human incarnation for the first time in the sign of Cancer, having emerged as mental entities in Aries, as emotional-desire entities in Taurus and as vital entities in Gemini, taking a physical form in Cancer.
(02:05:17) (ron) Aries represents the "birthplace of divine Ideas." (3) A powerful mental sign, Aries is a sign of beginnings — the beginning of the creative process, the first step of the soul towards incarnation, the beginning of cycles of experience, the beginning of the cycle when the soul enters upon spiritual regeneration and initiation. Aries is one
(02:06:01) (ron) of four signs in the zodiac which are signs of birth. It is also considered a sign of consummation and one of three death signs.
(02:06:26) (ron) FOUR KEYNOTES OF THE SIGN ARIES:
(02:06:39) (ron) 1. Express the will to be and do.
(02:06:55) (ron) 2. Unfold the power to manifest.
(02:07:10) (ron) 3. Enter into battle for the Lord.
(02:07:24) (ron) 4. Arrive at unity through effort.
(02:07:43) (ron) It is said that another keynote of the sign Aries is hope.
(02:08:07) (ron) As far as humanity is concerned, the first great cosmic initiation is initiation into incarnation. Aries initiates this process of the "most ancient initiation." (4) In its lowest manifestation, Aries is the creator of activities, conditions and processes leading to the manifestation of soul in form, and later in the life of the disciple, the higher creative
(02:08:07) (ron) As far as humanity is concerned, the first great cosmic initiation is initiation into incarnation. Aries initiates this process of the "most ancient initiation." (4) In its lowest manifestation, Aries is the creator of activities, conditions and processes leading to the manifestation of soul in form, and later in the life of the disciple, the higher creative
(02:08:16) (Raleigh) aal can be lost yet there is always hope yes ron
(02:08:45) (ron) undertakings which lead to spirit coming fully through the soul. These processes eventually demonstrate the true nature of the triplicity:
(02:09:29) (ron) Life — Quality — Appearance.
(02:09:46) (ron) A fire sign, Aries is a constellation of the Cardinal Cross, the cross of God, the Father, and the incarnating monad. Aries provides our solar system with electric fire and the dynamic nature of God, whose qualities grant a fostering and nourishing heat, as well as a fire that burns and destroys. There are three death signs that demonstrate the first
(02:10:46) (ron) ray destroyer aspect: Aries, Scorpio and Pisces. These signs bring about "three needed and determined deaths" (5) in the human cycle. Energies pouring through them initiate a crystallizing process and the eventual destruction of some type of form. Each death sign is found in a different cross: Aries on the Cardinal Cross, Scorpio the Fixed Cross and Pisces is on the Mutable Cross.
(02:11:24) (ron) At different junctures on the Path, Aries forces the soul on to the fiery burning ground to initiate a purification process. Scorpio eventually brings the death of the personality, symbolized by burial in the earth. Pisces brings forth death of all the influences of the form and represents death by water.
(02:11:30) (Raleigh) i am most pises explain pls ron
(02:11:41) (Raleigh) mutable cross
(02:11:48) (Raleigh) what is that ron
(02:12:41) (Raleigh) death by water
(02:12:46) (Raleigh) why
(02:12:46) (ron) mutalbe signs = Gemini - Virgo - Sagittariius - Pisces
(02:13:21) (Qrious) didn't Cayce's readings say that Jesus showed up during one of the constellations.. was it Aquarius.. or Pisces?
(02:13:34) (Raleigh-brb) NO
(02:13:38) (Raleigh-brb) brb
(02:13:43) (ron) all of this symbolism...death by water, here, i believe is referring to the lower emotions...the area where karmic ties are created
(02:13:45) (Raleigh-brb) reboot
(02:13:48) (Raleigh-brb) ty walks
(02:14:00) (ron) water = emotions...even as found in dreams
(02:14:51) (ron) calm waters, is diffrerent...a higher dream interpretation of which you all know by now
(02:15:20) (ron) the world of spirit/soul...
(02:15:52) (ron) "The fire blazed forth and through that fire I died to life and so was born to death. And then again I died to form." (Aries).
(02:16:16) (Qrious) sounds like Baptism.
(02:16:25) (ron) "The heat of earth, the fiery temper of the mother, destroyed the form, released the soul and so the lesser self was killed." (Scorpio).
(02:16:53) (ron) "The waters drowned the man. The fish was made to disappear. It then appeared again only to die or else to die and bring salvation." (Pisces). (6)
(02:17:16) (ron) Symbolically speaking we have death through fire, death through earth and death through water — burning, suffocation and drowning. The three deaths release the soul into the three great planetary centers of Humanity, the Hierarchy and Shamballa.
(02:17:52) (ron) 1. The death by drowning or by water releases a being into the center called Humanity, where experience is gained.
(02:18:24) (ron) 2. The death by suffocation in Scorpio releases one into the Hierarchy
(02:18:50) (ron) 3. The death by fire or burning in Aries releases the disciple into Shamballa.
(02:19:06) (ron) THE PLANETS AND RAYS RULING ARIES
(02:19:21) (ron) Aries is the primary agent of the first ray of Will or Power, the ray of the destroyer, under the guidance of the three ruling planets — Mars, Mercury and Uranus. Mars is the exoteric ruler of Aries and Mercury is the esoteric ruler. Uranus brings in seventh ray energies and so rules the occult Way as energy flows through Uranus to the Creative Hierarchies.
(02:20:04) (ron) Mars rules and controls the physical vehicle. It embodies sixth ray force which leads to idealism, destructive fanaticism, struggle, strife, war, effort and evolution. Through these fiery processes, brought forward by the influence of its exoteric planetary ruler Mars, god of war, purification occurs in Aries. The same purification comes
(02:20:37) (ron) to the disciple through the activity of the esoteric ruler, Mercury, which illumines and releases the mind, enabling the disciple to become aware of the divine Plan which underlies all experience.
(02:21:09) (Qrious) its written in the New Testament that God will baptise with fire.. John did with water.. and the earth,, might mean the burial of the Logos.? just a guess.
(02:21:14) (ron) Through Mercury, Aries is related to the fourth ray. The fourth ray energies propel the disciple around the wheel of life as it illumines the mind and through experiences of conflict, eventually produces unity and beauty. As a
(02:21:43) (ron) Messenger of the Gods, Mercury mediates between the soul and personality, producing opposition between spirit and matter and a long battle. Victory is finally won by illuminating the lower mind, thereby dispelling illusion.
(02:21:45) (Anonymous1) the lords birthday is everyday / ok q /please know that everyday is chistmas q / i dont wan tto discuss this please / ok ron please pardom me go ahead with the leson ron ty
(02:22:30) (ron) The influence of Mercury, stepped down to the earth by Aries and Gemini, initiates a series of beginnings in order to produce certain planned and definite effects upon our planet, influencing the kingdoms in nature and individuals. A conflict is initiated that ultimately brings to balance.
(02:22:59) (ron) Uranus represents the seventh ray which relates spirit and matter, and brings together electric fire and fire by friction, producing manifestation. Uranus leads the soul to the burning ground during the final stages of the Path. The fires ignited by Uranus’s potency produce the flaming heat of the final burning ground.
(02:23:14) (Qrious) I was refering to the constellation that was used as the era.. or periods that was in influence during the time of Christ manisfestation Ral.. not his B-day.
(02:23:23) (Raleigh) q please ok
(02:23:31) (Raleigh) hear ron please q
(02:23:49) (ron) Rays 1 and 7 express through Aries. Being the highest and the lowest, the combination demands a point of balance upon the wheel, which is provided in Libra. Rays 6 and 4, from Mars and Mercury, bring to this balancing process the energy of the second ray, the major building ray which allows disciples to build anew and provides a spiritual body of manifestation.
(02:24:27) (ron) The Sun is exalted in Aries and represents the life of the spirit which comes to full expression as the result of the evolutionary process initiated in this sign. The life of God is "swung into activity" in this sign and eventually achieves consummation. Latency becomes potency and midnight merges into midday. God, the Father, rules.
(02:24:56) (ron) ARIES - A SIGN OF DUALITY
(02:25:08) (ron) In Aries we have the duality which is attached to bringing together of spirit and matter in the creative activity of manifestation at the beginning of the evolutionary cycle. Seven of 12 signs of the zodiac are dual in nature:
(02:25:30) (ron) 1. The two horns of the Ram in Aries.
(02:25:44) (ron) 2. The two horns of the Bull in Taurus.
(02:25:56) (ron) 3. The figures of the Twins in Gemini (two vertical lines).
(02:26:08) (ron) 4. The two claws of the Crab in Cancer.
(02:26:19) (ron) 5. The two scales of the Balance in Libra.
(02:26:23) (Qrious) it is also written that we have two forms.. the celestial and the terrestial..
(02:26:40) (Roz) or our duality\
(02:26:45) (ron) 6. The two parallel lines of Force in Aquarius.
(02:26:49) (ron) 7. The two Fishes in Pisces.
(02:27:05) (ron) There are three constellations in the zodiac where the animals have horns: Aries, the down-turned horns of the Ram, representing the coming into manifestation, the involutionary cycle and the experience of the Cardinal Cross as it expresses the will-to-manifest of God. Taurus, the up-turned horns of the bull with the circle below, depicts
(02:27:26) (Raleigh) yes we are as elecricalw ith both posotive and negative yes
[/left](01:19:33) (Raleigh) i like your class ron'
(01:20:09) (ron) thanks ral...i appreciate having you here... i like our earlier conversations
(01:30:19) (ron) ARIES - "I COME FORTH AND FROM THE PLANE OF MIND, I RULE"
(01:31:38) (ron) INTRODUCTION TO OUR 12 ZODIACAL DEITIES
(01:32:03) (ron) We live in a swirling sea of magnetic forces, smaller fields contained within even greater fields, expanding throughout infinity. As our understanding increases, a new picture of the universe emerges — one of vast cosmic
(01:32:12) (Qrious) you just gave me an epiphany.. thanks.
(01:33:21) (ron) We live in a swirling sea of magnetic forces, smaller fields contained within even greater fields, expanding throughout infinity. As our understanding increases, a new picture of the universe emerges — one of vast cosmic
(01:33:43) (ron) interdependence and connectedness. From first cosmic dawning to the last electron's feeble light, the whole universe is a complex of coils within coils, spirals within spirals, magnetic fields within magnetic fields.
(01:34:16) (ron) The stars are interconnected with each other, exchanging particles and gases constantly, all flowing along magnetic field lines which are the arteries of the galactic body. The galaxy's coiled field lines diverge into
(01:34:38) (ron) intergalactic space where they ultimately connect to other galaxies. Do these tendrils of energy act as the nervous system of the universe, relaying information from star to star, galaxy to galaxy, on and on? One can only wonder.
(01:35:27) (ron) Zodiacal Deities examines the conditioning effects upon humanity by the specialized and quite unique energies of the star groups comprising the zodiac. We hold these star groups to be conscious, living entities in whose greater bodies we reside.
(01:35:28) (Raleigh) these are called lines of flux ron
(01:35:36) (ron) ok ral
(01:35:48) (Qrious) I think your hitting on something.. a pattern of Macrocosm.. and we are its microcosm.
(01:35:57) (Raleigh) i am electricity / electronics trained ya know
(01:36:31) (ron) Traditionally the zodiac is described as the imaginary path of the sun through the heavens. This path "exists" only from our earth's perspective. If you were observing the path of our sun from another planet or body in space, our sun would appear to "be traveling through" different constellations at different times of the year, to be on an
(01:37:22) (ron) entirely different path through the heavens. This path is largely an illusion but at the same time the 12 zodiacal constellations do exist as great beings, and the streams of energy which pass and repass, intermingle and interlock throughout space are by no means illusions. They express eternal cosmic relationships.
(01:38:16) (ron) The science of astrology is a study of the interlocking forces of all the 12 constellations as they pour into and through all the kingdoms in nature, carrying with them also their own individual qualities as well as those of the seven rays, focused through the sacred and non-sacred planets of our solar system — the discovered and
(01:38:47) (ron) undiscovered planetary Lives. The vision of these powers and their many weaving lines, seen as rivers and streams of light, is given to the initiate from the mountaintop of Capricorn, once that summit is reached.
(01:39:29) (ron) See how they emphacize the sign of Capricorn :)
(01:39:37) (Raleigh) why
(01:39:41) (Blu) LOL
(01:39:46) (Qrious) seven rays huh? could you touch on them when you have time?
(01:39:49) (Raleigh) the goat why
(01:40:04) (Blu) yeah, I have a lot of comments here myself
(01:40:05) (ron) As the various energies and forces circulate throughout the etheric body of our solar system — itself a Great Being — their effects depend on the state of the planetary centers, and upon the point of unfoldment of the centres within the individual planets themselves. Those great zodiacal entities who qualify life as we know it imprint their frequencies or harmonic resonance on the various vehicles that comprise a human being.
(01:40:12) (Raleigh) oh ok
(01:40:30) (Raleigh) slow down just a little ron ok
(01:40:41) (ron) ok...brake
(01:40:46) (Raleigh) lol
(01:41:00) (Raleigh) ok why caprocorn
(01:41:04) (diane) mountain top
(01:41:11) (Raleigh) why is it speacial ron?
(01:41:12) (diane) cap is a mountain goat
(01:41:18) (Blu) because it is the first sign of the zxodiac ral
(01:41:25) (Raleigh) hmmm
(01:41:28) (Qrious) so that would mean that our chakras will pick up on these frequencies then.. like an antenna?
(01:41:33) (Raleigh) aris is not?
(01:41:44) (ron) in time (capricorn) we will be doing the sign of Capricorn...must be patient (capricorn)
(01:41:50) (Raleigh) k
(01:41:59) (Blu) could be Q
(01:42:24) (Blu) that description of the frequencies really sounds like how Cayce describes the act of meditation
(01:42:26) (Qrious) it sounds so simular though doesn't it..like a map.
(01:42:29) (Raleigh) well gee i mixed up the goat with the ram i guess ron lol
(01:42:48) (Blu) yep
(01:43:03) (ron) capricorn is reaching the top of the mountain...the highest point in the zodiac...in the 10th house...hightest house in the natural wheel
(01:43:12) (Raleigh) hhhm yes as seven rrAYS I SEE THIS AS WELLL
(01:43:16) (Raleigh) oops
(01:43:43) (ron) nearest point to heaven...and not without a struggle (capricorn)
(01:44:07) (ron) a struggle for the end of all incarnations
(01:44:16) (Blu) You told us Ron something I did not realize and that is that the cappy is the symbol of the unicorn
(01:44:21) (Qrious) sounds like the spokes to a wheel.. and all of us are individual hubs of a particular wheel.
(01:44:25) (Raleigh) explain this plese ron
(01:44:38) (ron) explain what ral?
(01:44:53) (Raleigh) because of thepp atience do you mean ron
(01:44:59) (ron) i am not that familiar with esoteric astrology
(01:45:07) (Raleigh) k
(01:45:30) (diane) what is esoteric astrol?
(01:45:41) (Raleigh) im ok ron please continue
(01:45:43) (Qrious) yeah. I forgot what that word means too.
(01:46:18) (ron) patience is the key to life..for eternal happiness...patience is an attribute of capricorn...time and patience and essential key to overcome the earth..is represented strongly in the sign of capricorn
(01:47:07) (ron) as well as the earth signs...but on different levels of accomplisment
(01:47:32) (ron) the sure footed goat
(01:48:02) (Blu) time + patience = will of God
(01:48:29) (Qrious) esoteric.. oh.. you found it too.. k.
(01:48:30) (ron) if the goat doesn't keep the eye above as can be represented by the unicorn...the mountain goat can lose its footing and fall back to earth
(01:48:56) (Raleigh) oh ok ron yes i see now and yes lu patience and time i know tis weell too
(01:48:57) (ron) and die again...
(01:49:51) (Raleigh) th eunicorn as described in scripure is hmmm
(01:50:15) (Qrious) the true word in hebrew is ox Ral.
(01:50:20) (Raleigh) has two horns and is as an oxen kida ron btw
(01:50:31) (Raleigh) yes q
(01:50:40) (Raleigh) gee you do study huh q
(01:50:46) (ron) esoteric = hidden, veiled, secret...higher knowledge
(01:50:57) (diane) ty ron
(01:50:57) (ron) ok moving ahead
(01:51:15) (ron) ARIES
(01:51:16) (Raleigh) ok ron
(01:51:33) (Raleigh) oh fun i am part aris
(01:51:44) (Qrious) even if it was true.. it wouldn't matter Ral.. you have your own oppinion .
(01:51:59) (ron) higher knowledge, like what is known as mycitism, mystery, secret
(01:52:15) (Raleigh) yes q ty so much for forghiving me as wel ok
(01:52:26) (ron) Aries is called the Light of Life Itself. "It is the 'searchlight of the Logos, seeking that which can be used' for divine expression." (1) The secret of Aries is the secret of beginnings, of cycles and of emerging opportunity. It is a sign of commencement.
(01:53:19) (ron) Symbolized by the Ram, Aries is the first sign of the zodiac and begins the cycle around the great wheel. This is the constellation used to stream the first ray of Will or Power to the planet. Aries expresses will or power through the creative process and "awakens the will to reach the lowest and there control, to know the uttermost and thus to
(01:53:28) (Qrious) is this the sign that begins the astrological zodiac?
(01:53:35) (ron) yes
(01:53:40) (Raleigh) no cap is
(01:53:54) (Raleigh) oh now i am confused lol
(01:54:04) (ron) "Aries is the first sign of the zodiac"
(01:54:11) (Raleigh) lol
(01:54:12) (Raleigh) k
(01:54:24) (ron) found in the above paragraph...read carefully
(01:54:24) (diane) Many thanks WIS
(01:54:45) (Raleigh) i thopught that you just told me that ccaprocorn was ron ok
(01:54:50) (Qrious) you think that maybe its like a sacraficial Ram.. umblemished.. used to clothe Adam and Eve.. and spilt its blood for a remission of sins.. symbology wise I mean..?
(01:55:17) (ron) capricorn is the 10th sign of the zodiac...it took a long TIME to reach that point
(01:55:20) (Raleigh) yes q as the ram of jacobas wellll
(01:55:22) (Qrious) The begining of woes.. sin.. knowledge.. etc?
(01:55:53) (Qrious) as in Genisis Ral.. is what I mean.
(01:55:59) (Raleigh) ok ron i am ok i am going to pay closer atention then ty ron
(01:56:08) (ron) capricorn is SACRIFCE...sacrifice of the lower emotions thus the earth itself
(01:56:09) (Raleigh) ok q
(01:56:23) (Qrious) when time began with the ages of Adam and his lineage.
(01:56:25) (ron) true freedom
(01:56:49) (ron) free from the limitations of the earth
(01:57:23) (Qrious) But a goat was not considered as sacred as a ram.. thats why I thought perhaps it was different.. like with Issac.. the sacrafice was a ram.
(01:57:36) (ron) not just you ral...other comments as well...did not read carefully
(01:57:46) (Raleigh) ok ron then now please ccontinue on aris if you would please no more question i have ok ron
(01:58:03) (ron) Symbolized by the Ram, Aries is the first sign of the zodiac and begins the cycle around the great wheel. This is the constellation used to stream the first ray of Will or Power to the planet. Aries expresses will or power through the creative process and "awakens the will to reach the lowest and there control, to know the uttermost and thus to
(01:58:22) (ron) face all experience." (2) This sign is connected to the vibratory activity of the soul under impulse from the monad, and as such, is the sign the initial idea to initiate activity takes form, initiating the cycle of manifestation. All souls enter into human incarnation for the first time in the sign of Cancer, having emerged as mental entities in Aries, as emotional-desire entities in Taurus and as vital entities in Gemini, taking a physical form in Cancer.
(01:59:22) (Raleigh) define monad please ron
(02:00:01) (ron) one moment...i'll get dictionary definition for you and others
(02:00:26) (Raleigh) oh its ok ron please contiue its ok il find it ty
(02:00:41) (Qrious) That word is used alot also in the Nag Hammadi Ral..I think it means like the divine intelligence.
(02:00:45) (ron) in theosophical writings, i believe they use the terms Atma and Buddhi...Spirit and higher mind...but i'll check
(02:00:48) (Raleigh) k ty
(02:00:56) (WalksInSpirit) Monad: [n] a singular metaphysical entity from which material properties are said to derive
(02:01:29) (ron) here goes...
(02:02:40) (Raleigh) all things are spirit btw
(02:03:11) (Raleigh) energy does not come from things
(02:03:29) (ron) The Unity, the ONE; but in Occultism it often means the unified triad, Atma-Buddhi-Manas, or the duad, Atma-Buddhi, that immortal part of man whichreincarnates in the lower kingdoms, and gradually progresses through them to Man and then to the final goal - Nirvana
(02:03:29) (Raleigh) energy is what things are made of
(02:03:50) (Raleigh) ok ron thank so much
(02:04:47) (ron) face all experience." (2) This sign is connected to the vibratory activity of the soul under impulse from the monad, and as such, is the sign the initial idea to initiate activity takes form, initiating the cycle of manifestation. All souls enter into human incarnation for the first time in the sign of Cancer, having emerged as mental entities in Aries, as emotional-desire entities in Taurus and as vital entities in Gemini, taking a physical form in Cancer.
(02:05:17) (ron) Aries represents the "birthplace of divine Ideas." (3) A powerful mental sign, Aries is a sign of beginnings — the beginning of the creative process, the first step of the soul towards incarnation, the beginning of cycles of experience, the beginning of the cycle when the soul enters upon spiritual regeneration and initiation. Aries is one
(02:06:01) (ron) of four signs in the zodiac which are signs of birth. It is also considered a sign of consummation and one of three death signs.
(02:06:26) (ron) FOUR KEYNOTES OF THE SIGN ARIES:
(02:06:39) (ron) 1. Express the will to be and do.
(02:06:55) (ron) 2. Unfold the power to manifest.
(02:07:10) (ron) 3. Enter into battle for the Lord.
(02:07:24) (ron) 4. Arrive at unity through effort.
(02:07:43) (ron) It is said that another keynote of the sign Aries is hope.
(02:08:07) (ron) As far as humanity is concerned, the first great cosmic initiation is initiation into incarnation. Aries initiates this process of the "most ancient initiation." (4) In its lowest manifestation, Aries is the creator of activities, conditions and processes leading to the manifestation of soul in form, and later in the life of the disciple, the higher creative
(02:08:07) (ron) As far as humanity is concerned, the first great cosmic initiation is initiation into incarnation. Aries initiates this process of the "most ancient initiation." (4) In its lowest manifestation, Aries is the creator of activities, conditions and processes leading to the manifestation of soul in form, and later in the life of the disciple, the higher creative
(02:08:16) (Raleigh) aal can be lost yet there is always hope yes ron
(02:08:45) (ron) undertakings which lead to spirit coming fully through the soul. These processes eventually demonstrate the true nature of the triplicity:
(02:09:29) (ron) Life — Quality — Appearance.
(02:09:46) (ron) A fire sign, Aries is a constellation of the Cardinal Cross, the cross of God, the Father, and the incarnating monad. Aries provides our solar system with electric fire and the dynamic nature of God, whose qualities grant a fostering and nourishing heat, as well as a fire that burns and destroys. There are three death signs that demonstrate the first
(02:10:46) (ron) ray destroyer aspect: Aries, Scorpio and Pisces. These signs bring about "three needed and determined deaths" (5) in the human cycle. Energies pouring through them initiate a crystallizing process and the eventual destruction of some type of form. Each death sign is found in a different cross: Aries on the Cardinal Cross, Scorpio the Fixed Cross and Pisces is on the Mutable Cross.
(02:11:24) (ron) At different junctures on the Path, Aries forces the soul on to the fiery burning ground to initiate a purification process. Scorpio eventually brings the death of the personality, symbolized by burial in the earth. Pisces brings forth death of all the influences of the form and represents death by water.
(02:11:30) (Raleigh) i am most pises explain pls ron
(02:11:41) (Raleigh) mutable cross
(02:11:48) (Raleigh) what is that ron
(02:12:41) (Raleigh) death by water
(02:12:46) (Raleigh) why
(02:12:46) (ron) mutalbe signs = Gemini - Virgo - Sagittariius - Pisces
(02:13:21) (Qrious) didn't Cayce's readings say that Jesus showed up during one of the constellations.. was it Aquarius.. or Pisces?
(02:13:34) (Raleigh-brb) NO
(02:13:38) (Raleigh-brb) brb
(02:13:43) (ron) all of this symbolism...death by water, here, i believe is referring to the lower emotions...the area where karmic ties are created
(02:13:45) (Raleigh-brb) reboot
(02:13:48) (Raleigh-brb) ty walks
(02:14:00) (ron) water = emotions...even as found in dreams
(02:14:51) (ron) calm waters, is diffrerent...a higher dream interpretation of which you all know by now
(02:15:20) (ron) the world of spirit/soul...
(02:15:52) (ron) "The fire blazed forth and through that fire I died to life and so was born to death. And then again I died to form." (Aries).
(02:16:16) (Qrious) sounds like Baptism.
(02:16:25) (ron) "The heat of earth, the fiery temper of the mother, destroyed the form, released the soul and so the lesser self was killed." (Scorpio).
(02:16:53) (ron) "The waters drowned the man. The fish was made to disappear. It then appeared again only to die or else to die and bring salvation." (Pisces). (6)
(02:17:16) (ron) Symbolically speaking we have death through fire, death through earth and death through water — burning, suffocation and drowning. The three deaths release the soul into the three great planetary centers of Humanity, the Hierarchy and Shamballa.
(02:17:52) (ron) 1. The death by drowning or by water releases a being into the center called Humanity, where experience is gained.
(02:18:24) (ron) 2. The death by suffocation in Scorpio releases one into the Hierarchy
(02:18:50) (ron) 3. The death by fire or burning in Aries releases the disciple into Shamballa.
(02:19:06) (ron) THE PLANETS AND RAYS RULING ARIES
(02:19:21) (ron) Aries is the primary agent of the first ray of Will or Power, the ray of the destroyer, under the guidance of the three ruling planets — Mars, Mercury and Uranus. Mars is the exoteric ruler of Aries and Mercury is the esoteric ruler. Uranus brings in seventh ray energies and so rules the occult Way as energy flows through Uranus to the Creative Hierarchies.
(02:20:04) (ron) Mars rules and controls the physical vehicle. It embodies sixth ray force which leads to idealism, destructive fanaticism, struggle, strife, war, effort and evolution. Through these fiery processes, brought forward by the influence of its exoteric planetary ruler Mars, god of war, purification occurs in Aries. The same purification comes
(02:20:37) (ron) to the disciple through the activity of the esoteric ruler, Mercury, which illumines and releases the mind, enabling the disciple to become aware of the divine Plan which underlies all experience.
(02:21:09) (Qrious) its written in the New Testament that God will baptise with fire.. John did with water.. and the earth,, might mean the burial of the Logos.? just a guess.
(02:21:14) (ron) Through Mercury, Aries is related to the fourth ray. The fourth ray energies propel the disciple around the wheel of life as it illumines the mind and through experiences of conflict, eventually produces unity and beauty. As a
(02:21:43) (ron) Messenger of the Gods, Mercury mediates between the soul and personality, producing opposition between spirit and matter and a long battle. Victory is finally won by illuminating the lower mind, thereby dispelling illusion.
(02:21:45) (Anonymous1) the lords birthday is everyday / ok q /please know that everyday is chistmas q / i dont wan tto discuss this please / ok ron please pardom me go ahead with the leson ron ty
(02:22:30) (ron) The influence of Mercury, stepped down to the earth by Aries and Gemini, initiates a series of beginnings in order to produce certain planned and definite effects upon our planet, influencing the kingdoms in nature and individuals. A conflict is initiated that ultimately brings to balance.
(02:22:59) (ron) Uranus represents the seventh ray which relates spirit and matter, and brings together electric fire and fire by friction, producing manifestation. Uranus leads the soul to the burning ground during the final stages of the Path. The fires ignited by Uranus’s potency produce the flaming heat of the final burning ground.
(02:23:14) (Qrious) I was refering to the constellation that was used as the era.. or periods that was in influence during the time of Christ manisfestation Ral.. not his B-day.
(02:23:23) (Raleigh) q please ok
(02:23:31) (Raleigh) hear ron please q
(02:23:49) (ron) Rays 1 and 7 express through Aries. Being the highest and the lowest, the combination demands a point of balance upon the wheel, which is provided in Libra. Rays 6 and 4, from Mars and Mercury, bring to this balancing process the energy of the second ray, the major building ray which allows disciples to build anew and provides a spiritual body of manifestation.
(02:24:27) (ron) The Sun is exalted in Aries and represents the life of the spirit which comes to full expression as the result of the evolutionary process initiated in this sign. The life of God is "swung into activity" in this sign and eventually achieves consummation. Latency becomes potency and midnight merges into midday. God, the Father, rules.
(02:24:56) (ron) ARIES - A SIGN OF DUALITY
(02:25:08) (ron) In Aries we have the duality which is attached to bringing together of spirit and matter in the creative activity of manifestation at the beginning of the evolutionary cycle. Seven of 12 signs of the zodiac are dual in nature:
(02:25:30) (ron) 1. The two horns of the Ram in Aries.
(02:25:44) (ron) 2. The two horns of the Bull in Taurus.
(02:25:56) (ron) 3. The figures of the Twins in Gemini (two vertical lines).
(02:26:08) (ron) 4. The two claws of the Crab in Cancer.
(02:26:19) (ron) 5. The two scales of the Balance in Libra.
(02:26:23) (Qrious) it is also written that we have two forms.. the celestial and the terrestial..
(02:26:40) (Roz) or our duality\
(02:26:45) (ron) 6. The two parallel lines of Force in Aquarius.
(02:26:49) (ron) 7. The two Fishes in Pisces.
(02:27:05) (ron) There are three constellations in the zodiac where the animals have horns: Aries, the down-turned horns of the Ram, representing the coming into manifestation, the involutionary cycle and the experience of the Cardinal Cross as it expresses the will-to-manifest of God. Taurus, the up-turned horns of the bull with the circle below, depicts
(02:27:26) (Raleigh) yes we are as elecricalw ith both posotive and negative yes
