Astrology Chat: 09-12-05

[WalksInSpirit]

Astrology Chat: 09-12-05

(01:30:32) (ron) WISE MEN FROM THE EAST: THE REST OF THE STORY
(01:30:55) (ron) "We three Kings of Orient are, bearing gifts we travel afar...," and so go the lyrics to the popular Christmas carol with which we are so familiar. It was written of course to commemorate the arrival of the Magi, or Wise Men, at the birth of the Christ Child. However, according to the Cayce readings, these visitors were not really kings and
(01:31:24) (ron) there were more than three of them, arriving in several different groups from at least five different countries. In addition, although the modern Church celebrates their visitation on January 6, Cayce tells us that they were not
(01:33:09) (ron) some missing
(01:33:17) (ron) However, according to the Cayce readings, these visitors were not really kings and there were more than three of them, arriving in several different groups from at least five different countries. In addition, although the modern Church celebrates their visitation on January 6, Cayce tells us that they were not
(01:33:55) (ron) actually presented to the Child until after the time of Mary's purification in accordance with Jewish Law (29 to 40 days after birth). (5749-7)
(01:34:34) (ron) Cayce's expanded story comes together over multiple readings, including two in which individuals were told that they had been the Wise Men of the Nativity story in previous lives. In Cayce's narrative, the true purpose and meaning of the gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh is explained, and we are even told why one group was routed
(01:34:52) (Q) wouldn't that also mean after Jesus was taken to be seen at the church also.. the first male child given as a consecration to God.
(01:35:06) (ron) through Herod rather than directly to the Christ Child. The readings also point out that the Wise Men's visit served to provide encouragement and support to Mary and those around her.
(01:35:43) (ron) WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS US
(01:36:43) (ron) that the tradition of the number three was taken from the number of gifts given (gold, frankincense, and myrrh). The Cayce readings indicate that there may have been as many as five different groups arriving before, during, and after the birth (although none were presented until the proper time).
(01:37:23) (ron) We are told in the Scriptures that the Magi had received a revelation of sorts and were following a star that they believed would lead them to the newly born "King of the Jews." For some reason they stopped in Jerusalem to inquire of the Child's whereabouts. Herod, the current head of the Jewish government under the Romans, felt
(01:37:57) (ron) immediately threatened and conspired with his chief scribes to use the Magi to locate this potential rival. The Magi, however, were directed in a dream not to return to Herod with the information. As a result, Herod ordered
(01:38:24) (ron) the death of all children in the area under the age of two years. Joseph, warned in a dream to flee with the Child to Egypt, escaped with the family.
(01:38:44) (ron) WERE THE WISE MEN SPIRITUAL ADEPTS?
(01:39:11) (ron) Although Bible scholars believe that the Wise Men came from Persia, Matthew's gospel does not specify the country of origin, just that they came from the East. Cayce states specifically that "They came from Persia, India, Egypt, and also from Chaldea, Gobi (China), and what is NOW the Indo or Tao land." (2067-7) Asimov's Guide to
(01:39:44) (ron) the New Testament states that the Persian priests of the ancient Zoroastrian religion were called "magu," which in Latin becomes "magi." This is particularly interesting, since the Cayce readings indicate that a previous incarnation of the Christ soul was Zend, the father of Zoroaster.
(01:40:31) (ron) The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us that the term magi was given to magicians from the Babylonian and Egyptian religions. The practice of magic was common throughout ancient Israel and the Middle East, especially among scholars. So-called white magic was differentiated from black magic (sorcery and worship of false gods) and was
(01:41:04) (ron) used primarily to counteract the latter form or for healing. "It was, however, only the practice of witchcraft that was prohibited, for a knowledge of magic was indispensable to a member of the chief councilor of the judiciary..."
(01:41:45) (ron) It appears that white magic may have been a blanket term given to practices we would today list under psychic ability. In the Talmud, for example, Jesus is regarded as a magician. It is also noted that portions of these traditions, although condemned by some Hebrew factions, are said to be contained in the Kabala teachings.
(01:42:39) (ron) In the life readings for the former Wise Men, Cayce describes them as being both very spiritual and very intelligent and as having skills in astrology, astronomy, and mathematics. (256-1; 1908-1) They were spiritual seekers who were very much aware of the Hebrew Messianic prophecies. In one reading, Cayce refers to the Wise Men as
(01:43:18) (ron) "...those that subdued - not that were ruled by, but subdued the understandings of that in the earth - were considered, or were in the position of the wise, or the sages, or the ones that were holy; in body and mind, in
(01:43:40) (ron) accord with purposes." He further indicates that they found their way to the Christ Child "...in and through the application of those forces - as ye would term today psychic" (5749-7)
(01:44:16) (ron) ESSENCE RECORDS HIDDEN IN PYRAMID
(01:45:04) (ron) Cayce also tells us that the Wise Men had spent time studying records of ancient wisdom kept in Egypt. It was from these records that they knew about the coming of the Messiah and the preparations made by a Jewish sect known as the Essenes. (1010-17) An Essene teacher by the name of Judy was in charge of the records. She sent the
(01:45:41) (ron) first group of Wise Men to Herod in an attempt to undermine his relationship with the Romans and thus topple him from his throne. Her plan backfired and ultimately caused the death of many innocent children. As a result, she was told that, in this lifetime, she had to learn not to sit in judgment of others, regardless of their sins. (1472-3)
(01:45:54) (ron) that is informative
(01:46:02) (ron) to undermine
(01:46:47) (ron) Both Judy and another Essene teacher, Josie, were responsible for assisting in Jesus' education during his studies in Egypt, Persia and India. In fact, a reading given in July of 1932 asserts that records of this training were located in
(01:47:11) (ron) a pyramid "yet to be uncovered," and that the records might come to light between 1936 and 1940, "When there has been sufficient of the reckoning through which the world is passing in the present..." (5749-2)
(01:47:43) (ron) The readings also seem to indicate that these records contain the information studied by the Wise Men. Some have speculated that the 13 papyrus books found in Nag Hammadi, Egypt, in 1945 and/or the Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered shortly thereafter, could be the information to which Cayce was referring. Cayce also indicated that
(01:48:02) (ron) Blu and WIS ...there you go
(01:48:33) (ron) Herod's wife, who had contact with both the Essenes and the Wise Men, had written a history of this time period, which was lost with the destruction of the Alexandria library. (2067-1) In his recent book, An American Prophet, Sidney Kirkpatrick states that portions of this narrative may still exist in the Vatican Library.
(01:49:16) (ron) THE MEANING OF THE GIFTS
(01:49:39) (ron) In one reading, regarding the training of the Christ Child by the Essenes, Cayce was asked, "What relation was there in the training with the three wise men?" His answer was that the presentation of the gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh by the Magi was a highly significant ritual, which prefigured the future development of
(01:50:09) (ron) Jesus and his initiation into his ministry later in life. "So they represent in the metaphysical sense the three phases of man's experience in materiality; gold, the material; frankincense, the ether or ethereal; myrrh, the healing force as brought with same; or body, mind, soul." (5749-7)
(01:50:57) (ron) Charles Filmore notes in the Metaphysical Dictionary that the Wise Men are archetypal symbols which represent "the wisdom that is carried within the soul from previous incarnations. They are the inner realms of consciousness that, like books of life, have kept the records of past lives and held them in reserve for the great day when the soul
(01:51:26) (ron) would receive the supreme ego, Jesus." In other words, they represent our higher self and our inner essence or individuality, as Cayce termed it. This inner wisdom serves to encourage and support our preparation for the birth of the Christ Consciousness into our limited consciousness.
(01:52:07) (ron) WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WISE MEN?
(01:52:33) (ron) The Cayce CDROM contains a magazine excerpt from 1967 recounting the Church tradition that the Wise Men were baptized by St. Thomas in India 40 years after Bethlehem. They were subsequently ordained as Christian priests and eventually martyred for their faith. Their bodies were supposedly buried in the mosque of St. Sophia at
(01:53:06) (ron) Constantinople, later moved to a Cathedral in Milan, Italy, and then to Cologne, Germany. The Dictionary of Saints by John Delaney notes a first century tradition identifying the three Magi as Balthasar, Caspar, and
(01:53:27) (ron) Melchior. They were believed to be astrologers from Babylonia and Arabia and have been deemed the patron saints of travelers.
(01:54:05) (ron) THE END...i have another on the Signs again
(01:54:11) (ron) take a break
(01:54:35) (Blu) ok! Thanks Ron!
(01:55:01) (Whiteraven) Wow rRon thank you for that I love hearing the deeper meanings thnak youfor sahring the understandings
(01:55:19) (ron) thanks WR...appreciate that
(01:55:37) (Whiteraven) y wellcome
(01:57:06) (ron) well, since things are quiet here...i'll move on
(01:57:11) (Whiteraven) ok
(01:57:40) (ron) THE TWELVE SCHOOLS AND CHALLENGES OF LIFE
(01:58:11) (ron) ARIES - "I am"
(01:58:36) (ron) The challenge of Aries is coming to a right relationship to self, and understanding one's true identity. Is your identity in your personality, body, what you do, or the content of consciousness; or is it as the "I", the consciousness, the chooser, the soul, the spiritual being?
(01:59:09) (ron) Key lessons are coordination, conversion of energy and completion.
(01:59:30) (ron) or, to finish what you have started
(01:59:45) (ron) TAURUS - "I have"
(02:00:10) (ron) The key challenge of Taurus is coming to a right relationship to the things you have or possessions. Is your identity in the things you have, or do you have the proper involvement but detachment?
(02:00:37) (ron) GEMINI - "I think"
(02:00:48) (ron) The key challenge in Gemini is developing a right relationship to your mind. Are you master of your mind, or is your mind your master/.'Gemini deals with the twins, the dual force of opposition between heavenly and earthly energies. The lesson is to harmonize one's spiritual an earthly life.
(02:01:20) (ron) CANCER - "I feel"
(02:01:33) (ron) The key challenge here is to develop a right relationship to one's feelings or emotions. Is there the understanding that it is your thoughts that cause your feelings and emotions? Are your feelings and emotions under your control or are they running you?
(02:02:20) (ron) LEO "I will"
(02:02:40) (ron) The key challenge here is in developing a right relationship to the use of will or power in one's life. Is power used in a top dog manner for dominion over others and to keep self always in the limelight? Or can power and will be used in a spiritual manner for unconditional love, equality, and for the highest good of all concerned?
(02:03:30) (ron) The key lessons of the Leo are impersonal love, coming from the heart, detachment, and serving the Spiritual Self rather than the ego self.
(02:03:57) (ron) ( Just as writing this I hear on TV - "the Trout is the perfect hunter - master of realm. Only one way to catch it - turn power of hunter against himself - entice the trout’s instincts to strike - with a fly. But then prey fights back - hook: power without caution is death" ) 8:15pm 12/01/02 Sky One UK
(02:04:14) (Q) i thought detachment might belong to Cancer for material gains.
(02:04:33) (ron) VIRGO - “I analyze”
(02:04:51) (ron) The key challenge of Virgo is developing a right relationship to analyzing mind. In its proper usage there is the ability to correlate, digest, and collect facts in service of a spiritual purpose.
(02:05:14) (ron) The key lesson is being more loving rather than negative and critical.
(02:05:32) (ron) LIBRA - "I balance"
(02:05:49) (ron) The key challenge of Libra is the balancing of inner and outer worlds. The sign of Libra focuses on relationships. There is the need to be involved with life but not lose self in a relationship or life in general.
(02:06:15) (ron) Positive: friendly, outgoing, conscientious, just, will to do good, cooperative, focus on marriage, love, cohesiveness, travel, diplomatic.
(02:06:33) (ron) Danger Areas are: people pleaser, and seeking approval from others, dominating underneath.
(02:06:52) (ron) SCORPIO - "I Create"
(02:07:07) (ron) The key challenge of Scorpio is developing a right relationship to one's creative energies. Do your creative energies serve your personality or egotistical self, or Higher-Spiritual - self?
(02:07:30) (ron) SAGITTARIUS - "I Perceive"
(02:07:40) (ron) The key challenge here is the development of intuition and understanding of the higher mind and spiritual aspects of life.
(02:07:56) (ron) Friendly, outgoing, optimistic, extroverted, sports, gambling, takes chances, independent, future focused, travel, direct.
(02:08:11) (ron) Lower: Superficial, procrastination, nervous, tactless
(02:08:29) (ron) CAPRICORN - "I Use"
(02:08:44) (ron) Developing a Right Relationship to how you use things and people in life. The positive aspect would be, how can I use this to help others as well as myself.
(02:09:05) (ron) AQUARIUS - "I know"
(02:09:19) (ron) The key challenge of Aquarius is developing that deeper inner knowing that goes beyond faith.
(02:09:36) (ron) PISCES - "I believe"
(02:09:46) (ron) The key challenge of Pisces is coming to a right relationship to self and God in terms of one's beliefs.
(02:10:33) (ron) these notes i picked up from somewhere...not very informative but might have been of some interest
(02:10:48) (ron) end
(02:11:02) (ron) THE END...OPEN CHAT
(02:11:19) (Q) direct.. optimistic.. friendly.. and Superficial.. c'mon..
(02:11:51) (Q) i thought this was kinda neat information ron. really.
(02:12:06) (WalksInSpirit) Coolness, Ron! I think the descriptions fit perfectly! I know the Virgo (Blu), Libra (me), Scorpio (My sis Debbie), and the Pisces (my sis Joanie) all fit perfectly!
(02:12:38) (Whiteraven) yup thatwas uncannily accurate fo rme
(02:12:42) (Whiteraven) thanks ron
(02:13:31) (Q) maybe edgy would be better than nervous.. but Superficial. what a bummer yang to my yin.
(02:13:33) (ron) i can go off topic as well regarding such topics regarding eastern thought on the Kundaline, Enlightenment...etc
(02:14:16) (Q) oh.. yin in the femenate form right?
(02:14:24) (ron) i have much more indepth interpretations...including the mythical backgrounds
(02:16:10) (ron) do you guys want more?
(02:16:22) (Q) yeah..
(02:16:27) (WalksInSpirit) Yep, Ron!
(02:17:25) (ron) [1]ENLIGHTENMENT
(02:17:38) (ron) this is off topic
(02:17:59) (ron) Enlightenment does not involve simply the perception that the person is only a concept. It means that all conceptualization is ended; all images and representations in the mind, whether conscious, preconscious or unconscious, are eliminated, or at least not identified with. When this profound stillness of the mind is achieved, it
(02:18:29) (ron) is asserted; true reality is perceived, not by an entity which is a separate individual. The experience is one of unqualified Being, wordless existence, infinite and eternal. (The Pearl Beyond Price, pg 27)
(02:19:06) (ron) Actually, there is no universal or agreed upon definition, or even understanding, of the concept of enlightenment. Different traditions use the word differently. Different teachers refer to different realities when they use it. And most people have not the vaguest idea what they are talking about when referring to enlightenment. Sometimes
(02:19:36) (ron) enlightenment means the attainment of a certain stage of Being. Sometimes it refers to a certain insight, perception or understanding. Sometimes it refers to a certain stage of inner development, usually the final stage, which becomes problematic since different traditions take different conditions to be the final stage. Sometimes it signifies
(02:19:42) (Q) Be-ing or Is ness.
(02:20:15) (Q) Thus ness.
(02:20:21) (ron) the transcendence of ego, other times the death of ego, still other times the transformation of ego... The concept can be useful only in a teaching that defines it very specifically. But we cannot use the concept assuming it means the same thing in all teachings or traditions. (The Pearl Beyond Price, pg 182)
(02:21:06) (ron) Some people think that enlightenment is when all your problems end. Enlightenment is really when your problems start. Enlightenment is partly the realization that you are responsible in your life, that your life is completely your
(02:21:26) (ron) i can agree to that :)
(02:21:48) (Q) ignorance is bliss.
(02:21:48) (ron) responsibility, and you are the one who really has to live it. You have to live life the way you know you ought to do it. It’s not going to just happen. (Diamond Heart Book 4, pg 79)
(02:22:17) (ron) [2]THE 10 CAUSEES OF SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT
(02:22:40) (ron) "Enlightenment is a process of peeling back the many layers of your Infinite Self. It is an opening of your being, to the entire Universe! In the center of this spiritual cyclone called life, there is a deep stillness. In the very center of this center is where true spiritual knowledge resides. This is the core of your innermost being. By continuously
(02:23:12) (ron) resting in the quiet peaceful still center in the heart of your being, you will eventually awaken. Abide in this center and you will find yourself manifesting a rich life, full of meaning, clarity, depth and bliss." -Jafree

[WalksInSpirit]

Astrology Chat: 09-12-05, Part Two

(02:23:42) (ron) What is "Spiritual Enlightenment"? Spiritual Enlightenment is a continuous realization that you are an eternal being who will never die. It comes from a deeper knowing that YOU are beyond body and behind the mind. It is celebrating every moment of the day with the feeling of being intimately connected to the entire Universe, as if it is
(02:24:14) (ron) a living, breathing, conscious intelligence that loves you unconditionally. It is surrendering to this truth everywhere you are.
(02:24:37) (ron) The following 10 steps will take you closer to having an experience of spiritual enlightenment. You will begin to feel more spiritually awake and alive the more you apply one or more of these steps below. Go easy on yourself. You may have been trying to experience these for a long time, possibly for lifetimes... enjoy!
(02:25:12) (ron) 1. BEING FREE FROM THE ILLUSION THAT YOU ARE SEPARATE FROM AN INFINITE SOSURCE OF LOVE, ENERGY AND CONSCIOUSNESS.
(02:25:44) (ron) Feeling separate and disconnected from our Universe is how we create failure after failure in life. This habitual illusion that we are NOT connected to the divine stems from the mind's attachment (and avoidance) of our EGO. Once we untangle ourselves form these deep internal beliefs, we remember that we were always ONE, connected to
(02:26:18) (ron) our Source. All experiences of suffering are created by the mind's lack of awareness in seeing your own divinity. Once we stop forgetting our eternal abundant nature, we are stepping forward into life as divine unlimited nature.
(02:26:44) (ron) 2. QUIETING THE INCESSANT CHATTERING REPETITIVE MIND.
(02:26:59) (ron) The Ego is the thought program. Like a computer, it is un-aware. It just spits out information and computes ideas that are about the past and future. The mind/ego is a limited construct of ideas and beliefs about who we think we are. The more we can silence the chattering mind, the less we are trapped in this Ego. You could say that E. G. O.
(02:27:38) (ron) really is an acronym for Excluding God's Omnipresence. Only through the constant release of the Ego can we live in the true spiritually enlightened reality. We become aligned with the bigger Truth that are infinite Spiritual beings AND do also exist this physical third dimensional world.
(02:28:15) (ron) 3. EMBRACING AND RELEASING ALL YOUR FEARS.
(02:28:31) (ron) As you may have heard, F.E.A.R. really stands for False Evidence Appearing Real. To discover what you are afraid of open yourself up to another intimately in conversation. Let them see into you. Sooner or later YOU will be able to see into YOURSELF again and understand truly what you are running from. Once you know what you
(02:29:19) (ron) are running away from, run towards it and embrace it. It will dissolve and be released from your life at the perfect time.
(02:29:42) (ron) 4 EMBRACING AND RELEASING ALL MENTAL, EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL ATTACHMENTS OR AVERSIONS TO EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE.
(02:29:55) (Q) I thought that our paradigms about our perceptions of reality is what creates this falseness.
(02:30:00) (ron) As humans we tend to get attached to people, and what they say, do or think about us. This occurs because we have this automatic habit of trying to avoid what is painful and stay with what is full of pleasure. The problem arises when we become attached to having to HAVE what is pleasurable all the time, or desperately need to get rid
(02:30:32) (ron) of something painful. Pain and suffering is just the Universe telling you to, "LET GO!" The purpose of pain is not to create more suffering upon you, it is to create CHANGE! This change is necessary for us to drop our ego-trip
(02:30:54) (ron) and return to our spiritual source again. Allowing yourself to genuinely enjoy your life is communicating to the Universe that YOU are connecting to this Infinite Source inside!
(02:31:16) (ron) We experience pain because of one thing...Ignorance. Think of the word "ignore", add a little dance to it and you get ignorance. When we ignore the Truth of our infinite being, our Ignorance transmits into suffering. To transcend this ignorance and find spiritual enlightenment again, a deep awareness is needed. With this profound
(02:31:42) (ron) state of consciousness we can LET GO of anything that would create a belief saying we are not connected to this Source. Nothing more is needed to transcend this illusion and re-discover the truth of who you are.
(02:32:30) (ron) 5. TOTAL FREEDOM FROM OTHER PEOPLES' UNCONSCIOUS MYTHS AND EVERYDAY STORIES OF SEPARATION FROM THEIR INFINITE SOURCE.
(02:32:55) (ron) When you were 7 years old, what were you told you were not enough of? What was your "standard" story of failure or separation? Usually whatever we heard our parents and siblings having problems with, we attached ourselves to
(02:33:28) (ron) it and The Separation began. Since our parents never weren't fully Enlightened Beings who constantly lived in wonder and amazement of the bills they had to pay, we got the idea we were limited. If they contacted this Infinite Source, then they teach you. Yet they had to send you off to an "education system" which worked about 15% of
(02:33:56) (ron) your brain's potentiality and capacity, thus churning you through the grinder. Society never taught us how to be still inside, quiet our mind and emotions, meditate, focus on who we are or how to achieve inner bliss. They believed it was "illegal" to teach a connection with your Infinite Source in school. Society is hypnotized with a
(02:34:22) (ron) "thinking program" that success and truth is all about status, money and career. The reality is "Success" is defined by how fulfilled you are as a human being. That's something you cannot get from the right job, income, marriage, proper diplomas and P.H.D’s.etc...
(02:34:38) (Q) The Logical Song by Supertramp.
(02:34:47) (ron) 6. WE STOP THINKING THAT "THINKING" IS A MEANS TO GETTING WHAT WE WANT AND CREATING SUCCESS.
(02:35:11) (ron) "Think-aholics" have become the societal norm. It has become abnormal in society to sit and be silent alone. Most people run from meditation because they cannot quiet their mind and feel they lose control of it. The ironic thing is that ALL of the suffering, chaos and illness in life is caused by a lack of control and awareness of the mind.
(02:35:39) (ron) Practicing "being" and sitting still, we naturally realize the Infinite Self inside. Instead of tuning into our silence more we are taught to think more and know more to achieve what we want. We are not taught the secrets of the Universe are discovered by simply being in the here now. This is by far the greatest success we can ever achieve.
(02:36:08) (ron) It is being at ONE with the infinite, all-powerful and omniscient Universal-God force. Is this enough for you to re-define your definition of success?
(02:36:26) (ron) 7. HIDING FROM YOUR TRUE POWER IN A "SAFE" LITTLE FISHBOWL.
(02:36:41) (ron) Thoughts are safe, while experiences are real and unsafe. We find it easier not to take the risk of getting hurt by diving into the ocean of experiences in life. We stay safe, comfy (and basically dead) inside our little comfortable fishbowls of "habitually doing" things and thinking things that once gave a sense of confidence and security. Life
(02:37:15) (ron) is a natural chaos that has a cosmic structure. It is like an uncontrollable rollercoaster ride because we don't know the exact future ALL the time and know how to respond to each experience that occurs outside our little fishbowl. Instead, we think about an experience without even having one. Through T.V. movies, books we hide from our
(02:37:46) (ron) powerful omniscient Infinite spirit and pretend to be completely trapped in a mental spin-cycle of thoughts about "Reality". Don't understand yet? Rent the wild movie The Matrix.
(02:38:11) (diane) Good movie
(02:38:13) (ron) 8. LET GO OF HAVING TO BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME.
(02:39:36) (ron) Being right can be the hardest EGO trip to get off of. To get off of it, basically means that you need to be WRONG about your entire life. If everyone tells you from birth to death that Life is a struggle, that it's hard, painful and unfair, and you believe them, then how can you ever relax, let go, trust and surrender to Existence. We think we
(02:40:08) (ron) must fight to get what we want. If life is serious, we're probably going to gain love, success and freedom by stepping on or over others. The world is a community of beings. It is a playground, a play and comical stage where we can choose any role we desire.
(02:40:35) (ron) 9. REPLACE THE "POSITIVE" RESULTS CREATED FROM CONTINOUSLY PLAYING THE VICTIM IN YOUR LIFE.
(02:40:51) (ron) Through lack of awareness (ignorance) of our ever-present connection with the Infinite Source, we all have been participating in an inner victimization programming. This stems from a lack of inner peace, power and
(02:41:13) (ron) playfulness, which can later create a dis-ease (a severe lack of ease) in the body. The Victim role we get caught in gets good strokes from others who feel sorry for our pain and send us love. Thus we stay hooked and asleep to our
(02:41:30) (diane) ...this is soooo true
(02:41:44) (ron) ever-present Infinite Source inside. When we don't respond with awareness, we just react unconsciously from past habits of being victimized and thus create more experiences of being a victim. Many human beings on the planet are really " human programming". The same thoughts day after day after day. This creates a seriously deep rut in
(02:42:13) (ron) life, which the only way out is through being responsible for your thoughts and choosing more empowering and freeing ones.
(02:42:24) (Q) I think that victims are the children that always got what they wanted when the cried alot.. even as a child.. it has just been used as an adult.
(02:42:34) (ron) 10. CHOOSING TO SUFFERE AND STAY UNCONSCIOUS.
(02:43:04) (ron) Our society abhors people who step out of line. The people around us often criticize us the moment we try to break out of the societal "norm" of unconscious living. The unconscious way is more accepted, it's even advertised by the T.V., movies, news media, radio, newspapers, etc... which all agree on one thing. That everything you need to end
(02:43:34) (ron) your suffering is outside of you, not inside you! That's how they sell you stuff! Many of us are caught in this ridiculous Rat Race to reach a certain monetary status and level of luxury we think will rid of our suffering. This never works. The cheese we rats are after just gets bigger, and bigger and bigger. Many refuse to understand the
(02:44:00) (ron) wheres the cheese
(02:44:12) (ron) basis, that suffering comes from this constant desire! When we are desire-less, we remember again how infinitely connected we are to the Infinite Source which is inside us all.
(02:44:27) (Q) like selling the thought to little girls that they will have their dreams come true.. with a promise of a man.
(02:44:27) (ron) Choosing to be conscious, means waking up from the Rat Race. It takes much effort to go against all our friends and families beliefs to awaken. The great part however is that the Universe won't let us sleep forever. She loves us much too much to let us forget our true nature. If you don't choose to wake up while you're alive (in your body),
(02:45:04) (ron) she'll let you know when your physical journey on Earth is over. Then you will definitely know how she could love you more than ways than you could imagine.
(02:45:35) (ron) end...does the writer have anything new to say..or, most of this we already know
(02:45:48) (ron) END
(02:45:59) (Q) this was great ron.
(02:46:29) (WalksInSpirit) Wow, Ron! This was awesome! Thanks for sharing!!!
(02:47:38) (ron) well, i think i heard better explanation regarding enlightenment and that comes mostly from EC Readings...and, i think that is my first leaning
(02:47:59) (diane) I agree that nothing new in the material, but wow, it was good to hear...sort of refreshes the old psyche
(02:48:51) (Q) So.. our precepts.. about reality.. is really living in ignorance.. and not in thusness.. and separates us from true experiences.. even when with pain.. we will See.. clearly when our awareness in one clarity of information and not second hand traditional ones.? hows that . close ron.?
(02:49:20) (ron) finsihed for today...more astrology next week...
(02:49:45) (diane) Also...i don't know how to ask this exactly, but about finding the silence inside the silence
(02:50:23) (Q) the absence of concept in the conscious state diane.. to be of no mind.
(02:50:38) (diane) If we're all in a meditative ...Ohm...Tebetin monk trance
(02:50:57) (diane) then ...what about Love they neighbor?
(02:51:18) (Q) I thought that the Ohm was used to help us resonate our chakras to a certain vibration?
(02:51:30) (Q) to bring it in sync.
(02:51:30) (ron) second commandment
(02:51:47) (diane) lol, Q! Just an example
(02:51:54) (Q) as thyself diane.. don't forget you.
(02:52:02) (ron) can't get to heaven on faith alone
(02:52:22) (ron) must include good works
(02:52:24) (Q) yeah.. darn book of works..
(02:52:33) (Blu) Although some schools of thought suggest that the mind should be blank when you are meditating, Cayce's approach is different. Cayce's material suggests that the mind is a constructive force and allows for the closest attunement possible if used in the right way.
(02:52:36) (diane) i mean if we're busy meditating somewhere in the Himalayas...where are the good works
(02:53:01) (vjh) I've read books that Spirit has said that, Diane.
(02:53:09) (ron) also, to learn how to use your will
(02:53:11) (diane) really, vjh?
(02:53:31) (Blu) It is not musing, not daydreaming; but as ye find you bodies made up of the physical , mental and spiritual, it is the attuning of the mental body and the physical body to its spiritual source.
(02:53:32) (ron) staying out of the cities :)
(02:53:33) (Q) we get nailed ifn' we don't help our bretheren.. yah.. I hear you diane.. but if you haven't mastered yourself.. you can still plant a seed.
(02:53:45) (diane) Ok, so do it for thyself...as Q said...then go out and kick butt to help
(02:53:50) (vjh) Yes, I read in some book about messages from the other side, they say what good does a monk do meditating in an ivory tower.
(02:54:08) (diane) good question
(02:54:18) (Blu) well, ther eis some meritt to that
(02:54:20) (Q) one plants.. the other waters.. and the Lord gets the increase member.. so which are you is the question.
(02:54:25) (ron) is this monk alone? is he living and working with other monks?
(02:54:26) (diane) If you pray for peace, tho, seems a lot of good
(02:54:45) (Blu) by raising ones own vibration you also raise the vibration of those around you by simply being there
(02:54:48) (diane) Oh, right, a community of monks
(02:54:57) (vjh) don't know.
(02:55:07) (diane) they also make brandy and bread. lol
(02:55:16) (ron) therefore, learn to get along with one another
(02:55:22) (diane) oops...wrong Holy Order
(02:55:23) (Q) could be Taoist monks.
(02:55:37) (ron) well, the brandy does make friends and life a little easier
(02:55:44) (Q) lol.
(02:55:47) (diane) Yes, Blu...raise the vibes
(02:55:55) (Blu) let us say you are meditating on love, then as you raise to that particular vibration those around you begin to feel more loving, even if you do nothing
(02:55:57) (Q) enter the singing.
(02:56:05) (diane) Benedictine&Brandy...yum!
(02:56:16) (ron) lol diane
(02:56:35) (ron) that sweet Brotherhood wine
(02:56:37) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(02:56:41) (diane) I do agree with that entirely, Blu
(02:56:56) (diane) Chanting, Q!
(02:57:05) (Q) but yah.. diane.. each of us is given our measure of faith.. so I would say.. do what you find your hand to do. ..
(02:57:19) (Blu) also as you begin to meditate, you become more aware of your own path and the direction you go to fulfillyour souls purpose
(02:57:27) (Q) leave the rest to God.
(02:57:34) (diane) Good thought Q...Be ever mindful of the present
(02:57:49) (ron) and old, negative habit patterns are overcome
(02:58:47) (ron) i see that some people are always running around and having fun
(02:58:52) (diane) I know it , ron. And it works
(02:59:09) (Q) so.. to be here in the now.. the moment.. we need to empty our mind ... is that it ron?
(02:59:14) (diane) gemini's i know, ron. lol
(02:59:17) (Q) to awaken.
(02:59:36) (ron) i have that true, diane...i've been getting rid of my Capricorn inflated ego
(02:59:50) (ron) i know that is true
(03:00:01) (vjh) Yep.