Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 22, 2005 20:41:06 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: Monday 08-22-05
ron says: i'm going to finish up with the planetary symbolism from last week and then continue with
ron says: the moon's natal interpretations...eventually i'll give more than one astrologer's vies of of the natal planets textbook interpretations...that is my approach with my own learning process
ron says: views
ron says: KEYWORDS OF THE PLANETS
diane says: Right on schedule, ron
ron says: THE SUN - GIVER OF LIFE
ron says: The Sun is the significator of the Spirit in Man; the BEINGNESS or ISNESS of life; the immortal part of man's complex manifestation. It rules the basic drive for significance - the will-to-be.
ron says: More than anything else in the chart, it shows the WILL, Man's highest expression.
ron says: Its aspects show deep character traits, the chief ambitions. It needs aspects to the planets for strength of expression in the horoscope.
ron says: As the Sun moves through the signs, its return to the sign of its exaltation, Aries, the Eastern horizon, marks the beginning of the - astrological year. Springtime brings the - release of a new cycle of life.
ron says: As the Sun moves through the houses, its return to the Eastern horizon is the beginning of the astrological day - sunrise.
ron says: BASIC: Will, Determination, Dignity, Confidence, Reliance, Vitality, Loyalty, Poise, Fortitude, Optimism
ron says: POSITIVE: Self-consciousness, Strength, Authoritativeness, Positivity, Individualism, Power, Leadership, Confidence, Courage, Faith
ron says: NEGATIVE: Self-will, Cruelty, Austerity, Arrogance, Willfulness, Aggressiveness, Dictatorialness, Egocentricness, Overbearingness, Pessimism
ron says: THE MOON - BUILDER OF FORM
ron says: The Moon is the significator of the personality, and the subconscious and instinctive patterns therein. The Moon rules the form side of life and the functional activity of the body. Birth and death are under the
Anonymous says: ron..sounds like me in the past
ron says: dominion of the Moon. The tides and rhythms of the body, as well as the tides in the ocean, are under the influence of the Moon.
ron says: The Moon rules the emotional and feeling side of man's nature. It rules the public (mass consciousness) which does not reason but responds to life through emotions. The demagogues know this fact well. They are able to influence public opinion by playing on the emotions and feelings of the people.
ron says: anon..the moon does deals with the past
Anonymous says: tell me more
ron says: The Moon in the physical universe has no light of its own. It shines by the reflected light of the Sun. The personality has no light of its own. It is like an unlit room. Only when the light of the Real Self (the Sun) shines through is it truly illumined.
Anonymous says: makes sense
Blu says: that is interesting Ron, I never thought of it that way
ron says: The masculine, positive Sun rules the Spirit and is electrical in nature; the feminine Moon rules Form, the receptive and magnetic pole of life.
Blu says: I always knew i was magnetic
Blu says: LOL
ron says: BASIC: Maternalness, Flexibility, Sensitivity, Receptivity, Feeling, Imagination, Domesticity, Sympathy
ron says: POSITIVE: Growth, Protectiveness, Plasticity, Positive, Psychism, Magnetism, Peacefulness, Creativity, Kindness, Impressionability
ron says: NEGATIVE: Materialism, Smother love, Emotional, Instability, Negative Mediumship, Passivity,
Blu says: what is negative mediumship?
Blu says:
diane says: instigator, perhaps?
ron says: hard for me to say...could where one attracts negative vibes...negative entities for instance....or one may be using such negative vibrations for personal gain and not for the betterment of self and others
diane says: instigating trouble, busy-body?
Blu says: ok
ron says: i think that negative mediumship has mostly to do with an attraction, or be drawn to negative entities
Blu says: ew
diane says: interesting , ron
diane says: sounds like it makes sense
Blu says: LOL, then there is th e upsideof that, at least you know who to arrest!
diane says: Lol
Anonymous says: I have learned to stay from bad vibes
Blu says: Good plan Anon
diane says: Me too, Anon
Anonymous says: I have realized that life is too short as it is
ron says: to be truthful...i never put any thought into negative mediumship
ron says: i really don't much of an opinion
Blu says: well, I think you explained it
Anonymous says: very well
Blu says: that explains why I draw some of the types I draw, I am going to work on it
diane says: It was a good question Blu
ron says: MERCURY - THE LINK OF MIND
ron says: The masculine Sun rules Spirit, the positive polarity. The feminine Moon rules Form, the negative polarity. Androgynous Mercury rules the reasoning Mind, the link between Spirit and Form, and is the "Messenger of the Gods."
Blu says: cool
ron says: With the reasoning mind we are self-conscious; aware of the activities in the world about us. We are able to perceive and evaluate through thought and action, to observe cause and effect, action and reaction.
ron says: Mercury is the link of communication. Inwardly, the link of reason between spirit and form; externally, the senses permit communication between ourselves and others.
Anonymous says: that's perception
ron says: Through reason man has freedom of choice and is responsible for his own acts. He has the opportunity for self-conscious advancement and growth and can become aware of his divine origin and potentiality.
ron says: Mercury, being reflective, needs aspects for its expansion. The closest aspect is very important.
ron says: BASIC: Reason, Agility, Expressiveness, Adaptability, Duality, Analyticalness, Senses, Changeability, Activity
ron says: POSITIVE: Brilliance, Alertness, Articulateness, Versatility, Discrimination, Preciseness, Awareness, Efficiency, Dexterity
ron says: NEGATIVE: Skepticism, Irresponsibility, Verbosity, Mental Instability, Indecisiveness, Criticalness, Diffusiveness, Restlessness, Imitativeness
ron says: VENUS - BEAUTY AND LOVE
ron says: The masculine Sun rules Spirit, the Life Principle. The feminine Moon is the Builder of Form.
ron says: Androgynous Mercury is the reasoning mind, the vehicle of self-consciousness - separateness. Through reason we become conscious of ourselves as separate, evolving beings.
ron says: Feminine Venus is the Goddess of Love and Beauty. Through love we are conscious of others and can understand the principle of union and achieve unity.
ron says: nice point to "the principle of union and achieve UNITY"
Anonymous says: is that you blu?
ron says: harmony, cooperation and refinement. Through Venus we beautify ourselves, our appearance, expression and environments, and the lives of others.
Blu says: What do you mean Anon?
Anonymous says: feminine venus
Blu says: oh, lol..I wish
ron says: i have to bakc up
ron says: Life, form and reason are necessities of human existence. Venus changes existence to "living" through the addition of love, art and beauty in all the departments of physical life. Venus is also the planet of harmony, cooperation and refinement. Through Venus we beautify ourselves, our appearance, expression and environments, and the lives of others.
Blu says: mercury is my planet
ron says: We can exist without love and beauty, but we can not truly "live" without love, beauty, cooperation, harmony and unity.
Anonymous says: I don't know what my planet is
ron says: what is your sun sign anom?
Anonymous says: Leo
diane says: I think your planet is Uranus, Blu
Blu says: my sis is a Leo
ron says: the Sun is the ruler of your birth sign
Anonymous says: I guess
Blu says: lol
Blu says: I am a virgo
ron says: authority....you know who's the boss:)
ron says: Mercury for you blu
Blu says: right
ron says: Uranus for diane
diane says: and Blu, too, i thought
diane says: not?
Blu says: LOL, Diane
diane says: lol
Blu says: no
ron says: what is your sun sign blu?
Blu says: virgo
ron says: mercury for you blu...as you stated above
Blu says: yeah
Blu says: Diane just wants to be closer to me!
ron says: BASIC: Beauty, Love, Art, Sociability, Femininity, Impressionability, Gentleness, Cooperativeness, Originality
diane says: My moon is in Virgo
diane says: question , ron
ron says: i'll try the best i can diane
diane says: on the wheel , my chart, it states "Moon is fast"
ron says: POSITIVE: Harmony, Devotion, Refinement, Affection, Attractiveness, Responsiveness, Courtesy, Considerateness, Constructiveness
ron says: ok
Blu says: I have Libra rising Anon, which was a good guess on your part, you must be using your intuition well.
diane says: what does moon is fast mean?
Blu says: Well WIS woke up, he will be here eventually
ron says: it means the your Moon's daily motion is moving faster than the average daily motion...if i remember correctly the average speed is around 13 deg 10 min
Anonymous says: lucky guess blu..I dont know much about Astrology
diane says: hmm, wonder what the consequence of fast moon is
ron says: by the way...i appreciate you guy's stopping by...otherwise i'd be talking to myself :)
Blu says: WEll, that venus thing is libra, and your intuition is working well
Blu says: no such thing as luck
Blu says: we need you Ron!
diane says: I love my Mon. afternoons cause of you, ron
Anonymous says: I enjuy reading your input Ron
Blu says: yeah, wish I could do it more often
ron says: diane...i'm not i remember what that means sincie i don't take that into consideration...but
diane says: I know , Blu. Those darned old Jobs!
ron says: i think it means that you tend to react with your emotions quickly...than tend to think aobut, or analyize your actions later
diane says: moons motion +14 deg 23'39 it says
Anonymous says: gives me much food for thouhjt
Blu says: lol, actually if I did not have a job I would prolly never get off the net!
diane says: That used to by Very True, ron
Blu says: That is a good explanation Ron, I would not have ralized that
ron says: i gues i guessed right diane :)
Blu says: no guessing, you are using your very accurate intuition
ron says: diane, did i analize your fast moon correctly?
diane says: Yup ron, but that was the old me! Exactly correct, ron
diane says: Act 1st, think later, ron
ron says: yes, diane, we have to think before we act...saves us from trouble and embarrassment
Blu says: I must have a fast moon too
Blu says: ;-)
vjh says: Where's your moon?
ron says: to contue with venus
vjh says: A taurus moon is very slow.
ron says: NEGATIVE: Indolence, Sentimentality, Ostentation, Superficiality, Flirtatiousness, Oversensitiveness, Indifference, Evasiveness, Vacillation
ron says: MARS - DESIRE, ENERGY AND ACTION
ron says: again, diane, you are an air sign...a fast moon can create conflict with the rational, logical side of your life
ron says: Mars is the planet of Desire and dynamic energy - the planet of Action. It shows the urge and energy to accomplish, build and progress.
diane says: Yup. wreaked havoc for years, ron
ron says: now, you are one of the advanced and gifted Uranian's in the world
ron says: Mars is the planet of Desire and dynamic energy - the planet of Action. It shows the urge and energy to accomplish, build and progress.
ron says: One way to realize our desires is to work and earn. Through this we develop the ability to hold our own against economic competition, gain self-confidence, and learn self-discipline.
ron says: Mars is also the planet of War. Through war we can experience hatred or heroism, killing or self-sacrifice, and we can find courage and endurance we did not know we had.
ron says: Besides the war with others, there is the struggle within for self-mastery. From the desire and action of Mars we gain valuable experience, experience which will ultimately teach us to use our energies constructively and transmute desire into Will and healing power. It is the use or misuse of this energy that makes one man a saint and another man a devil.
ron says: i think i'm closer to the latter :)
ron says: BASIC: Energy, Dynamicness, Impulsiveness, Leadership, Courage, Expression, Independence, Generative force, Forcefulness, Practicality
ron says: POSITIVE: Enthusiasm, Forcefulness, Spontaneity, Assertiveness, Heroicness, Frankness, Self-reliance, Transmutation, Fearlessness, Constructive
ron says: NEGATIVE: Domination, Defiance, Violence, Combativeness, Foolhardiness, Sarcasm, Separateness, Passion, Cruelty, Destructiveness
ron says: JUPITER - THE EXPANDER
ron says: Jupiter is the Greater Benefic. It is the largest planet in our system. Jupiter does things on a large scale. He is the Promoter, expansive, optimistic, popular, successful and generous.
ron says: Jupiter afflicted is overconfident, exaggerates, is extravagant, conceited, fond of display, and goes to excess in many things.
ron says: Jupiter is also the Preserver. We preserve food in tin cans; tin is Jupiter's metal. He is active and conservative in religious and philosophical activities, favoring the more orthodox and established religions. Ritual and ceremony are correlated with the Jupiterian energy.
ron says: Jupiter is the planet of the Higher Mind. He lifts man's eyes up; takes man out of himself and stimulates aspiration, idealism, tolerance, understanding and vision.
diane says: Jupiter...isn't that the guy that gives you all the challanges,ron? LOL
ron says: Jupiter also likes to live to the utmost, many times dissipating time, opportunity, money and energy.
ron says: yes diane...and he's not here this afternoon...right vjh?
ron says: thank God for little things :)
ron says: BASIC: Aspiration, Generosity, Benevolence, Religion, Orthodoxy, Confidence, Optimism, Humane, Mercy, Dignity, Jovial
diane says: and good riddance to him
vjh says: Saturn is the guy that gives you the challenges, Diane.
diane says: oh, i thought it was Jupiter!
vjh says: The moon is opposing Jupiter right now. That should make people spend excessively, right?
ron says: POSITIVE: Idealism, Philanthropy, Understanding, Devoutness, Reverence, Faithfulness, Radiance, Charitableness, Kindness, Poise
ron says: NEGATIVE: Impracticality, Extravagance, Indulgence, Fanaticism, Bigotry, Cynicism, Pompousness, Gullibility, Indolence, Formality
ron says: SATURN - THE TESTER
ron says: Saturn's goal is perfection. Through the chastening process of testing, sorrow, delay, disappointment, limitation and privation, man learns the purpose of life is not pleasure but to gain experience, patience, humility, wisdom and compassion.
ron says: Through disintegration, old, worn out, useless and crystallized forms are destroyed so better, more beautiful, useful and adaptable forms may replace them.
ron says: Through experience, patience, persistence, and self-discipline we can change the negative Saturn qualities of skepticism, fear, suppression, materialism and self-preservation into confidence, dependability, reverence, wisdom and compassion.
ron says: In Saturn's silence, in retrospection, meditation, concentration, looking within for guidance, and be willing to wait, Saturn helps us to bear our karma and pass the tests of life and finally enables us to reach the perfection we must all attain in the process of evolution.
ron says: BASIC: Caution, Restraint, Seriousness, Sincerity, Acquisitiveness, Defensiveness, Justice,
ron says: POSITIVE: Patience, Self-discipline, Humility, Responsibility, Thriftiness, Diplomacy, Forbearance, Respect, Endurance
ron says: NEGATIVE: Fearfulness, Suppression, Sensitivity, Severity ,Miserliness, Pessimism, Exacting, sternness, Rigidity, Obstructiveness
ron says: URANUS - THE AWAKENER
ron says: As the discovery of Uranus changed the old planetary pattern and concepts, so Uranus brings changes into our lives today. The unexpected, sudden, erratic and unpredictable events are Uranus in action.
ron says: People with Uranus angular (especially in the first or tenth house), are highly individualized people living in the future and are interested in "now" .things and developments. Science, astrology, metaphysics, and
ron says: occultism are in the domain of Uranus. Uranians are creative and often need a hobby to express their creativity and use their energies constructively.
ron says: Being a slow moving planet, Uranus' house position is very important as it stays in a sign seven years. The conjunction or opposition of Uranus to a natal planet is very important.
ron says: Even with benefic aspects, Uranus changes are often disruptive, but it always changes the "status quo" for a new and better pattern. It destroys the ruts in which we can get stuck and sets us free.. "Behold, I maketh all things new" is the keynote of Uranus.
ron says: As Uranus is invisible to the physical eyes, so we must use our 'inner perception' to respond truly to its higher vibrations. Only then does Uranus bring about the inner Awakening.
ron says: BASIC: Independence, Originality, Genius, Unconventionality, Idealism, Reformer, Intuition, Impersonality, Freedom
ron says: POSITIVE: Progressiveness, Nonconformity, Inventiveness, Spiritedness, Universal Love, Pioneer, Perception, Resourcefulness, Individualism
ron says: NEGATIVE: Radicalness, Rebelliousness, Erraticness, Eccentricity, Detachment, Fanaticism, Over-impulsiveness, Irresponsibility, Combativeness
ron says: NEPTUNE - THE DISSOLVER
ron says: "The brightest light casts the deepest shadow." Neptune can reach the most sublime heights or the lowest depths. It rules the next dimension, the astral plane, and finds it difficult to be earthbound. It dissolves matter rather than builds it on the material level.
ron says: When Neptune is very strong in the chart, the native is very sensitive, secretive, and often dislikes the hard world of reality. They sometimes seek temporary escape by living in a dream world of their own creation, filled with visions, shadows, fantasy, erotic and bizarre daydreams. They dislike the awakening
ron says: to reality. To them, the unreal seems real and the real seems unreal. They often feel the normal things of life are too commonplace and seek something more stimulating and sensational. Neptune is the great masquerader.
ron says: The positive aspects of Neptune show wisdom beyond reason, genius, creative ability in the literary, poetic and musical fields, intuition, clairvoyance, contact with the higher invisible realms, and the realization of the Unity of all life. Not everybody can respond fully to the higher vibrations of Neptune.
ron says: When afflicted, Neptune cloaks the issue with vagueness, obscurity, illusion, confusion, misunderstanding, intrigue and fraudulent appearances. The worst afflictions of Neptune indicate fearfulness, morbidity, introversion, sensuality, indulgence and obsession.
ron says: From the health standpoint Neptune sensitizes the organs and functions of the. body. Afflicted it shows a hypersensitive, unhealthy and abnormal organ or function and can cause deceptive conditions which are extremely hard to diagnose correctly.
ron says: Being so slow in motion, Neptune's house placement is very important. It takes 14 years to go through a sign. The house it is placed in at birth is more important than the sign.
ron says: BASIC: Sensitivity, Inspiration, Compassion, Emotion, Imagination, Clairvoyance, Universal Love, Quietness, Sacrifice
ron says: POSITIVE: Mysticism, Impressionability, Responsiveness, Sympathy, Creativeness, Visionary, Understanding, Peacefulness, Devotion
ron says: NEGATIVE: Dreaminess, Fear, Over-sentimentality, Self-indulgence, Delusion, Lives in fantasy, Chaos, Inertia, Self-martyrdom
Blu says: sounds like Joan of Arch
ron says: the end...pluto wasn't dissed here...next week with just pluto and only textbook studies on the moon etc
Blu says: cool
ron says: discussed
Blu says: Thanks Ron
vjh says: What do you mean--it was too much info coming out?
vjh says: Or Neptune bothered you?
vjh says: Something I just thought of Ron, Uranus is also on my ex-husband's sun and there was the telephone trouble this morning. He worked for the phone company you know.
ron says: vjh can keep us informed regarding the time of the new and full moons...if she wishes to...i don;t have to time to keep up...see if we lose our sanity during a full moon
ron says: vjh...transit or natal positions
ron says: what about uransu diane?
Blu says: sanity, what is that?
Blu says: LOL
vjh says: Uranus is on my ex-husband's natal sun. That degree is PIsces but I've known many people with that birthday and they're all materialistic.
ron says: vjh, he sounds like he might be a little peculiar, eccentric and may like to be in power, in control
vjh says: Uranus can bring cruel things to happen too. Guess it depends on what other planets it's intereacting with.
diane says: Cruel....Uranus?
vjh says: Well, it just brings suddeness in happenings. Sometimes sudden things happening are not so good. It's a planet that brings extreme action. It can be good though.
ron says: from what i learned...the heavier, more distant planet attaches its qualities to the smaller, or , rather, to the faster moving planet...do i make sense?
diane says: Believe me...i have definitely felt the effects of uranus
ron says: this suddenness of uranus forces you, like what i wrote above, to use your creativity, your insight, when dealing with an quick, uranian transit...forces you to depends on your higher creative jundction...things that are close to the soul
vjh says: Uranus bad aspects to Venus causes coldness or love of a lower nature. It also causes homosexuality. Neptune aspects to Venus causes this too.
ron says: yes, uranus is bizsarre and peculiar for some expression
ron says: i think that the coldness you are thinking of has more to do with Saturn
ron says: s negative aspects to venus...i don't think this is so with urans and vensu
ron says: saturn can ge cold...but saturn, beneath the surface is very earthy...it belongs to the great sign of Capricorn and its sign is an earth sign...and i am very earthy if you get what i mean :)
ron says: saturn's expression is conservative...given only to those special female companionships...not for all to see :)
vjh says: I'm not earthy at all. I have too much Neptune influence.
