Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 15, 2005 16:44:59 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 08-15-05, Part One
(01:31:49) (ron) we will take a look at the Moon this afternoon...and then go thru each of the signs and houses/i always have differnet interpretations from differnet astrologer's......and perhaps some extra's along the way
(01:32:11) (diane) nice, ron
(01:32:17) (WalksInSpirit) Sounds good, Ron!
(01:34:16) (ron) THE PLANETS AND THEIR MEANINGS
(01:34:35) (ron) Planets are the focal points through which the radiations from the Sun pour forth upon the earth, and as they revolve about the Sun the angle of that radiation changes. In the spring that angle is such that life is
(01:35:04) (ron) renewed. It surges forth. It is the most dynamic time of growth whether it be the spring of the year, or whether it be youth, the spring-time of an individual. In the summer the angle changes. The Sun is higher in the heavens; it is hotter. It dries and heats, not because the Sun is nearer the earth, for it's farther from
(01:36:45) (ron) the earth at the summer solstice, but because of the angle of its radiations. In the fall the angle has again changed, and life begins to withdraw. Thus, it is the change of the angles that causes the seasons.
(01:37:19) (ron) The earth planets are seven in number: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and Saturn. Think of them as great planetary beings that have charge of the evolution of the earth. They are the seven spirits before the throne of God mentioned in Revelation in the Bible. Their energies play ceaselessly and directly
(01:37:52) (ron) upon the earth. As the evolution of the earth has progressed, great beings were called from outer space to step up its progress. These beings wear the vestures of the planets we call Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. Uranus (intuition) is the higher octave of Mercury (intellect). Neptune (divine compassion) is the higher
(01:38:24) (ron) octave of Venus (personal affection). Pluto (regeneration) is the higher octave of Mars (animal energy).
(01:38:51) (ron) Sun - LEO - Will, individuality, spirit
(01:39:12) (ron) Moon - CANCER - Personality, matter
(01:39:27) (ron) Mercury - GEMINI, VIRGO - Mind, link between spirit and matter
(01:39:43) (ron) Venus - TAURUS, LIBRA - Personal affections, appreciation
(01:39:57) (ron) Mars - ARIES, SCORPIO - Energy, initiative, courage
(01:40:14) (ron) Jupiter - SAGITTARIUS - Principle of expansion
(01:40:28) (ron) Saturn - CAPRICORN - Principle of contraction
(01:40:41) (ron) Uranus - AQUARIUS - Independence, originality
(01:40:44) (Roz) is there a correlation between the planets and the chakras?
(01:40:59) (ron) Neptune - PISCES - Compassion, chaos or cosmos
(01:41:26) (WalksInSpirit) Interesting thought, Roz.
(01:41:41) (ron) EC uses a spiritual center symbolism for each of the planets, yes roz...such as
(01:42:04) (ron) Saturn rules the lowest gonadic center
(01:42:31) (ron) Neptune = lyden center
(01:42:41) (ron) Mars = adrenals
(01:42:51) (ron) Venus - heart center
(01:43:01) (ron) Uranus = Throat center
(01:43:07) (Roz) intersting ron
(01:43:29) (ron) Mercury = the Christ center...Mercury the messenger of the God's
(01:43:38) (ron) isn't that interesting
(01:43:48) (Roz) Crown?
(01:43:57) (WalksInSpirit) Venus - Heart - Love... :-)
(01:44:09) (diane) crown=moon?
(01:44:30) (ron) Jupiter = crown center
(01:44:39) (diane) no..moon not a planet. lol
(01:45:00) (ron) diane,,,,the moon is taken as a planet
(01:45:23) (Roz) figures ron
(01:45:33) (diane) oh, well i kinda thought so, ron...but didn't know for sure
(01:52:13) (ron) Pluto - SCORPIO - Regeneration, coercion, or cooperation
(01:52:37) (ron) the Sign given alon side the planet is the sign of its Rulership
(01:53:20) (ron) The crescent represents the personality, half the circle, the outer aspect of being.
(01:53:37) (ron) The cross, wherever this is found, symbolizes earth living; the opposition of the human and the divine. It is the signature of this planet for this is called the Planet of the Sorrowful Star. We are the rebel angels that set our will against the Will of God in order to learn to be Gods in our own right. Man, when he
(01:54:24) (ron) by the way...this symbol the crescent is the symbol for the Moon
(01:54:55) (ron) stands upright and extends his arms is in the form of a cross. When the outer self becomes the reflector of the true self, then we can truly say "I and my Father are One" and can understand the meaning of the phrase, "No man cometh to the Father except through me." The "me" is the personality that has to become
(01:55:29) (ron) the servant of the High Self. In the Aquarian Age this will come about through the redemption and mastery of the personality rather than by crucifying it.
(01:56:38) (ron) now, there will be some material regarding the various symbols...we are not specializing on the Moon at this moment
(01:57:13) (ron) THE SYMBOL OF THE SUN
(01:58:05) (ron) The basic symbols of the planets are represented by the CIRCLE, CRESCENT and CROSS
(01:58:22) (ron) The circle represents that which is boundless, eternal, infinite, with-out beginning and without end. It is often represented by the serpent swallowing his own tail.
(01:58:44) (ron) The circle represents the eternal self that did not start here and does not finish here on earth. The dot in the middle represents the divine spark at the center of every living cell; the "light" which lighteth every man which cometh into the world. It is the point of Light at the center of every living cell.
(01:59:27) (ron) so, now, we know that the Sun symbol is a Circle with a dot in its center
(01:59:57) (Lory) I love that description.
(02:00:19) (ron) so, in a chart, we look for this symbol in order to find what sign and house the Sun is in when we are looking at our charts
(02:01:11) (ron) In the blueprint the Sun represents the main expression of the individual - the heart and core of beingness. The Sun has a different effect on individuals born at different times of the year. According to the sign and house in which the Sun is placed we are able to judge the general vitality and physique, the qualities of
(02:01:45) (ron) leadership and the individual's ability to be successful in life. Where the Sun is placed by house is where the ability to make a significant contribution to life lies.
(02:02:10) (ron) In a personal chart the Sun represents: The basic drive for significance. A powerful Sun means very great power to do and to be. The will. Male relationships in female charts, especially the father. Vital energy coming from the etheric levels. Prana. Fuel on which the total personality operates. Urge for power.
(02:03:13) (Lory) What constitutes a powerful Sun?
(02:03:27) (ron) Constitutional strength. Rules the heart and spine in the physical body. Rules the sign, Leo, and is natural ruler of the fifth house.
(02:03:47) (ron) one point of view would be its house location...for instance
(02:04:24) (ron) if found in an Angular House, such as in 1st, 4th, 7th or 10th houses...is considered to be very strong
(02:05:13) (ron) especially so if found in 1st house or 10th house...these are considered the most powerful
(02:05:44) (ron) THE SYMBOL OF THE MOON
(02:06:01) (ron) The half circle is the symbol of the personality. It, like the Moon in the physical sky, has no light of its own but must shine by the reflected light of the Sun. The personality acts, or should, as a reflector of our true selves, the Sun. The Sun is the greater Light and the Moon is the lesser Light. The periodical ebb and
(02:06:32) (ron) flow of energy in and on the earth is produced by the combined electrical and magnetic forces of the Sun and Moon. The ebb and flow of emotional tides are shown in the blueprint by the Moon. Where the Moon is placed by house is where our emotions have full sway.
(02:07:43) (ron) so i'm sure you all know astrology's symbol for the Moon...a half circle
(02:08:04) (ron) on its side = (
(02:08:23) (ron) consciousness - the public (ruled by emotion, not reason). Functional power of the body. Stomach and breast in the physical body. Rules the sign Cancer and the natural ruler of the fourth house.
(02:09:08) (ron) In a personal chart the Moon represents: Personality. Subconscious self. Feelings and receptivity. Mother and female influences in a male chart. Femininity. Memory. The habit patterns of the past. Mass
(02:11:03) (Lory) A lot to digest in one sitting, ron. But golly it is interesting.
(02:11:16) (Roz) yes ron very interesting
(02:11:29) (WalksInSpirit) It's very interesting info, Ron!
(02:11:31) (diane) yes, very interesting, ron
(02:11:50) (ron) THE SYMBOL OF MERCURY
(02:11:55) (Roz) how does oone find out what house their moon is in?
(02:12:03) (ron) Here the three symbols are shown; the cross, symbol of earth manifestation; the circle, symbol of spirit; and the crescent, the cup that symbolizes the uplifted personality.
(02:13:23) (ron) so, the crescent is set like the 2 horns at the top...the circle beneath it...the cross at bottom...can you picture that
(02:14:14) (ron) Mercury is the planet ruling intellect and intelligence; the mind, not the brain mechanism that is ruled by the Moon. Mercury is the link between heaven and earth. Both are within us. The mind is the link between the soul and the personality. Mercury has rulership over the nervous sys-tem. All communication,
(02:15:21) (Roz) ruled by emotion, not reason). Functional power of the body. Stomach and breast in the physical body. Rules
(02:15:28) (ron) within and without, is possible only through Mercury. He is called the "Messenger of the Gods" for he travels ceaselessly and does not travel a one-way street. He tends to excite activity. He uses everything in the outer as well as "the inner world as grist for growth and progress. Mercury is neither male nor female
(02:15:50) (Roz) what does that mean exackle?
(02:16:31) (ron) the Moon is ruled by emotion and not by reason...reason is ruled by Mercury
(02:17:11) (Roz) okie, now about the stomach and breast?
(02:17:27) (JohnB) nutrating = breast and stomach is digestion sounds alot like cancer sign
(02:17:41) (JohnB) my humble oppion
(02:17:56) (JohnB) no medicial talking
(02:18:14) (ron) as for the proper meaning of the word "functional" i'm not sure...i don't have that much knowledge regarding all the bodies functions...maybe someone may wish to express their view
(02:18:32) (Roz) what is the correlation of the two
(02:19:01) (ron) stomach = digestion and assimilation
(02:19:53) (Roz) by emotion?
(02:20:01) (ron) breasts having to do with something like nutrition?
(02:20:32) (JohnB) is there some one got hung up about their breast and stomach? Roz
(02:20:44) (JohnB) or is it a dream?
(02:20:50) (ron) well, we all know that the stomach tends to react to emotion by over producing acid
(02:20:57) (Roz) looks like its me ; John LOL
(02:21:03) (diane) lol
(02:21:11) (Roz) okie ron
(02:21:22) (Roz) makes sense
(02:21:29) (ron) now to continue
(02:21:37) (ron) but a neutral planet that acts as a mirror to reflect whatever is in its vicinity. In in-sanity he withdraws from the magnetic field and the connection between the soul and the body is severed. Wherever Mercury
(02:22:03) (ron) is placed in the birth chart is the area where attention and awareness must be focused and techniques and skills learned.
(02:22:15) (ron) should i do that paragraph again?
(02:22:16) (JohnB) its two emotional areas in that persons life if it s a female roz
(02:22:37) (JohnB) what does it mean to vthat person?
(02:22:53) (JohnB) yes zorry ron'
(02:22:55) (Roz) alrightey
(02:23:00) (diane) the insanity thing...who is the "he?"
(02:23:09) (ron) Mercury is the planet ruling intellect and intelligence; the mind, not the brain mechanism that is ruled by the Moon. Mercury is the link between heaven and earth. Both are within us. The mind is the link between the soul and the personality. Mercury has rulership over the nervous sys-tem. All communication,
(02:23:20) (ron) within and without, is possible only through Mercury. He is called the "Messenger of the Gods" for he travels ceaselessly and does not travel a one-way street. He tends to excite activity. He uses everything in the outer as well as "the inner world as grist for growth and progress. Mercury is neither male nor female
(02:23:33) (ron) but a neutral planet that acts as a mirror to reflect whatever is in its vicinity. In in-sanity he withdraws from the magnetic field and the connection between the soul and the body is severed. Wherever Mercury
(02:23:36) (Roz) understandable
(02:23:44) (ron) is placed in the birth chart is the area where attention and awareness must be focused and techniques and skills learned.
(02:24:09) (ron) In a personal chart Mercury represents: Intellect and intelligence. Logic and reasoning power.
(02:24:19) (diane) ok...i see, ty, ron
(02:24:29) (ron) Perception. Communication. Speaking and writing. Educational capacity. Brothers and sisters.
(02:24:45) (Qrious) mercury as a godlike being was a mischievious dude.
(02:24:50) (ron) and hands. Mercury ruler two signs, Gemini and Virgo, and is the natural ruler of the third and sixth houses.
(02:25:09) (ron) that didn't come out right
(02:25:36) (diane) i've got merc in my 6th
(02:25:41) (ron) In a personal chart Mercury represents: Intellect and intelligence. Logic and reasoning power. Perception. Communication. Speaking and writing. Educational capacity. Brothers and sisters. Techniques and skills.
(02:25:54) (ron) Youth. Short journeys. In the physical body it rules nerves, lungs, shoulders, arms and hands. Mercury ruler two signs, Gemini and Virgo, and is the natural ruler of the third and sixth houses.
(02:26:20) (ron) THE SYMBOL OF VENUS
(02:26:36) (ron) The circle of spirit above the cross represents the spirit overcoming matter through love. Venus is the power of cohesion and attraction and draws things together in a synthesis.
(02:26:53) (Qrious) wasn't mercury a child of Vulcan and Venus?.. I could be mistaken.
(02:27:10) (ron) Venus draws to itself through the magnetic attracting power of love. It is a feminine receptive force and never compels issues. Venus uses the power of persuasion in a quiet, gentle way. It rules personal affection where the higher octave of Venus, Neptune, rules divine compassion.
(02:27:23) (Roz) been very informative ron thanks
(02:27:44) (ron) In a personal chart Venus represents: Social urges. Affection. Beauty. Values - what we appreciate. Art. Attraction and cohesion. Melody and song. Love of luxury. Rules the venous blood, in the higher creative
(02:28:06) (ron) centers the throat and larynx. Venus rules two signs and two houses: Taurus and the second house, the earthy and materialistic Venus; Libra and the seventh house, the cultured and esthetic Venus.
(02:28:14) (Qrious) Venus was messing with Neptune.. hence Vulcan was angry at them... and punished them .. I forgot how.
(02:28:36) (ron) THE SYMBOL OF MARS
(02:28:53) (ron) The symbol of spirit held down by matter gives an indication that Mars rules the animal self, not yet redeemed by the inner self. There was a time when the symbol was made showing the complete subjection
(02:29:21) (ron) of the spirit to matter. Now the energy, like the arrow, can be magnificently used by the spirit to raise the animal energy to the level of spirit.
(02:29:45) (ron) Mars is a positive, outgoing, out thrusting energy, masculine in expression. He tends to scatter matter for he drives from the center of the self outward. Mars has a great deal to do with the physical self for it rules the human animal. On the emotional level Mars gives the drive to our feelings. When feelings are
(02:30:13) (ron) activated Mars is as responsible for courage as he is for temper. The energy is the same. It is the USE of it that names it. Essentially Mars is fire; without the fire of life and an enthusiasm and passion for
(02:30:39) (ron) livingness there is no vitality. Where Mars is placed in the natal chart is where there is great energy that can bring strife and tension if it is not handled properly.