Post by WalksInSpirit on Jul 22, 2007 21:56:01 GMT -5
Revelations Study: 07-22-07
(09:26:45) (~AutoGreeter) Good Evening. And Welcome to A Study On Revelations - Hosted By Roz. Please feel free to comment or ask questions at any time.
(09:33:23) (Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:33:31) (Roz) Amen
(09:33:32) (~WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:33:51) (Roz) we left off on chapter 1
(09:34:13) (mael) amen-let it be so
(09:34:29) (Roz) Seven golden candlesticks are symbolic of seven sources of enlightenment.
(09:35:10) (Roz) 13. AND IN THE MIDST OF THE SEVEN CANDLESTICKS ONE RESEMBLING THE SON OF MAN, WEARING A LONG TESTMENT AND GIRDED ROUND HIS BREAST WITH A GOLDEN GIRDLE.
(09:35:51) (Roz) 14. HIS HEAD AND HIS HAIR WERE WHITE AS WOOL, AS WH1TE AS SNOW AND! HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE.
(09:36:32) (Roz) The referent to his "hair as white as wool" is that undyed wool does not change or fade. His eyes "were as a flame of fire" indicate that his perception is purified to see only truth.
(09:37:11) (Roz) 15 AND HIS FEET WERE LIKE THE FINE BRASS OF LEBANON, AS THOUGH THEY WERE BURNED IN A FURNACE, AND HIS VOICE WAS THE SOUND OF MANY WATERS.
(09:37:51) (Roz) His feet, his understanding was, as though burned by a furnace. His voice was "as the sound of many waters" indicates a transmission of instructions. Water is the symbol of transition between different cycles. Many waters connotes the ceaseless circulation through formation, regeneration and purification.
(09:38:37) (Roz) 16. AND HE HAD IN HIS RIGHT HAND SEVEN STARS; AND OUT OF HIS NOUTH CAME A SHARP TWO-EDGED SWORD; AND HIS COUNTENANCE WAS LIKE THE SUN SHINING IN ITS STRENGTH
(09:39:33) (Roz) The reference to the seven stars is Celestial guidance brought into focus by the Celestial Prototype. The two-edged sword denotes both physical destruction and determination of the spirit. The countenance like the sun is brilliant, warming and life giving.
(09:40:04) (~WalksInSpirit) Water and Fire always the two great symbols of Purification in a lot of cultures.
(09:40:36) (mael) is Celestial Prototype the Christ?
(09:40:40) (Roz) yes the 3 in one: earth, water and fire
(09:40:49) (Roz) yes it is the Christ
(09:40:54) (Roz) 17. AND WHEN I SAW HIM, I FELL AT HIS FEET AS DEAD. HE LAID HIS RIGHT HAND UPON ME, SAYING, FEAR NOT; I AM THHE FIRST AND THE LAST;
(09:41:40) (Roz) He laid the right hand that held the seven stars upon John. This guidance comes from He who had been in physical form and in harmony with the Life-force. John needed the influences brought into focus by the celestial confluence. I am the first and the 1ast indicates He is the only one.
(09:42:31) (Roz) 18. I AM HE WHO LIVES, AND WAS DEAD; AND, BEHOLD, I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE. AMEN. AND I HAVE THE KEYS DEATH AND SHEOL.
(09:42:54) (Roz) Sheol - Hell
(09:43:30) (~WalksInSpirit) I was gonna ask that. :-)
(09:43:54) (Roz) Sheol was the burning garbage dump outside Jerusalem
(09:44:01) (Roz) 19. WRITE, THEREFORE, THE THINGS WHICH YOU HAVE SEEN AND THE THINGS WHICH ARE AND THE THINGS WHICH SHALL BE HEREAFTER,
(09:44:14) (mael) i knew that one-but not about the garbage dump thing
(09:44:46) (Roz) 20. THE MYSTERY OF THE SEVEN STARS, WHICH YOU SAW IN MY RIGHT HAND, AND THE SEVEN GOLDEN CANDLESTICKS. THE SEVEN STARS ARE ANGELS OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND THE SEVEN CANDLESTICKS ARE THE SEVEN CHURCHES.
(09:45:37) (Roz) the 7 churces are the the 7 churches of Asia that Paul established
(09:46:15) (Roz) This introduction to the concept of THE R.EVELATION OF SAINT JOHN THE DIVINE, being the account given to John of the physical, mental and spiritual make up of the celestial prototype, Jesus Christ, denotes what is attuned.
(09:47:07) (Roz) The symbolism in the account of seven; stars, golden candlesticks and churches and their re1ationship to the whole of humanity is the purpose of the Revelation. The mystery is to be experienced in physical, mental and spiritual states.
(09:47:39) (Roz) and you can only understand it if you first experience it
(09:47:48) (Roz) any questions?
(09:48:13) (~WalksInSpirit) Nope. This is great material, Roz!
(09:48:25) (mael) so far --so good
(09:49:01) (Roz) Chapter 2
(09:50:31) (Roz) 1. TO THE ANGEL OF THE CHURCH OF EPHESUS WRITE: THESE THINGS SAYS THE OMNIPOTENT ONEWHO HOLDS THE SEVEN STARS IN HIS RIGHT HAND WHO WALKS IN THE MIDST OF THE SEVEN GOLDENCANDLESTICKS.
(09:51:09) (Roz) 2. I KNOW YOUR WORKS AND YOUR LABOUR AND YOUR PATIENCE AND HOW YOU CANNOT ENDURE THOSEWHO ARE UNGODLY; YOU HAVE TRIED THOSE WHO SAY THEY AREAPOSTLES AND ARE NOT, AND YOUHAVE FOUND THEM LIARS;
(09:51:44) (Roz) 3. AND YOU HAVE PATIENCE, AND HAVE BORNE BURDENS FOR MY NAME'S SAKE, AND HAVE NOT WEARIED
(09:52:20) (Roz) Patience is the assurance that GOD is directing our every moment for our good. Cause and effect bring about growth but only in so far as the heart is in the growth.
(09:53:10) (Roz) As Harry Potter says yu gotta mean it
(09:53:15) (Roz) 4. NEVERTHELESS I HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAVE LEFT YOUR FIRST LOVE.
(09:53:19) (~WalksInSpirit) ;-)
(09:53:36) (mael) i'm not up on my Harry Potter...
(09:54:13) (Roz) almost got the last book read
(09:54:19) (Roz) "First love" the love of God renders all other love secondary. Love of the absence from God has supplanted this direction and threatens to destroy the Universal Mind Direction.
(09:54:29) (mael) well, it just came out didn't it?
(09:54:34) (Roz) yup
(09:55:22) (mael) what is that "love of the absence from God"??
(09:56:31) (Roz) what ever you put before the Love of God, you choose to be absent from God
(09:56:43) (Roz) 5. REMEMBER THEREFORE FROM WHENCE YOU HAVE FALLEN AND REPENT AND DO THE FIRST WORKS;OR ELSE I WILL COME TO YOU VERY SOON, AND I WILL REMOVE YOUR CANDLESTICK FROM ITS PLACE UNLESS YOU REPENT.
(09:57:25) (~WalksInSpirit) Remove enlightenment...
(09:57:31) (Roz) Remember your priorities and turn again to those. The energies, now misdirected, cannot flow constructively.
(09:57:43) (Roz) exackle Wis
(09:58:28) (Roz) 6. BUT THIS YOU HAVE IN YOUR FAVOR:YOU HATE THE WORKS OF THE NICOLAITANS, WHICH I ALSO HATE.
(09:59:22) (Roz) The "works of the Nicolaitans" meant the works of those who commit actions deemed right by men but which are an abomination in the sight of God. This concept stemmed from a prophet, Nicolaus, who saw certain precepts as being expedient. He chose to me implement them as rituals to hasten spiritual
(10:00:07) (Roz) He chose to me implement them as rituals to hasten spiritual development before souls reached the maturity to experience the development. This retarded the growth. Certain mystical exercises cause great damage unless done in the context and time when such can be benefical rather than retardent
(10:00:39) (Roz) such as some Yoga breathing exercises
(10:00:58) (mael) what are the "first works"?--is it the fruits of the spirit??
(10:01:16) (~WalksInSpirit) Yep. Cayce said if meditation was done improperly, it could create a Frankenstein.
(10:01:48) (Roz) you got that right
(10:01:58) (Roz) 7. HE WHO HAS EARS, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPRIT SAYS TO THE CHURCHES; TO HIM WHO OVERCOMES, I WILL GIVE TO EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE WHICH IS IN THE MIDST OF THE PARADISE OF MY GOD.
(10:02:57) (Roz) He who overcomes the self-centered consciousness will receive the sustenance of participation in the energies of the Seven Spirits of God. "The Paradise of My God" is the awareness of God in every level of consciousness.
(10:04:25) (Roz) 8. AND TO THE ANGEL OF THE CHURCH IN SMYRNA WRITE: THESE THINGS SAYS THE FIRST AND THE LAST, WHICH WAS DEAD IS ALIVE
(10:05:09) (Roz) To the messenger (angel) of the church which SIGNIFIES faith (Smyrna), the spiritual force in consciousness, write. This is the message of God's first creation which is the only one needed.
(10:06:02) (Roz) lets stop at this one, sometime s I think too much material just confuses us
(10:06:48) (~WalksInSpirit) Ok. Thank you, Roz! This is an awesome study!
(10:06:50) (mael) thanks you Roz for having chat tonight
(10:07:04) (~WalksInSpirit) I am really enjoying it.
(10:07:24) (mael) i hope i am learning alot
(10:08:15) (Roz) I really enjoy this study I think it is one of the most important books of the Bible
(10:09:01) (~WalksInSpirit) I do too. And one of the most misunderstood ones.
(10:09:11) (Roz) agreed!!!
(10:09:58) (Roz) and it is so important I hate to rush thru it
(10:10:28) (~WalksInSpirit) Yep. It takes a good deal of time to really understand what is being said in it.
(10:10:35) (Roz) do yu have questions mabel?
(10:11:01) (mael) i am trying to ask as we go along, Roz, I hope that is ok?
(10:11:25) (Roz) of course it is always ok
(10:12:04) (Roz) wont mean much if yu dont understand it
(10:12:28) (mael) in v. 5--what are the "first works" ?
(10:12:37) (Roz) do yu meditate mabel?
(10:13:02) (mael) i have-but not lately--i am melting in the heat here
(10:14:14) (mael) is that the answer?? meditation?? is the first works?
(10:14:23) (Roz) the First Works are this for which you were created and designed for
(10:48:02) (Roz) Bless you for all the the services you provide
(10:48:19) (~WalksInSpirit) Bless you for Hosting such a great chat!
(10:48:33) (~WalksInSpirit) I am really enjoying it!
(10:51:17) (~WalksInSpirit) Night Blessings Roz!
(10:51:20) (~WalksInSpirit) Thanks again!
(09:33:23) (Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:33:31) (Roz) Amen
(09:33:32) (~WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:33:51) (Roz) we left off on chapter 1
(09:34:13) (mael) amen-let it be so
(09:34:29) (Roz) Seven golden candlesticks are symbolic of seven sources of enlightenment.
(09:35:10) (Roz) 13. AND IN THE MIDST OF THE SEVEN CANDLESTICKS ONE RESEMBLING THE SON OF MAN, WEARING A LONG TESTMENT AND GIRDED ROUND HIS BREAST WITH A GOLDEN GIRDLE.
(09:35:51) (Roz) 14. HIS HEAD AND HIS HAIR WERE WHITE AS WOOL, AS WH1TE AS SNOW AND! HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE.
(09:36:32) (Roz) The referent to his "hair as white as wool" is that undyed wool does not change or fade. His eyes "were as a flame of fire" indicate that his perception is purified to see only truth.
(09:37:11) (Roz) 15 AND HIS FEET WERE LIKE THE FINE BRASS OF LEBANON, AS THOUGH THEY WERE BURNED IN A FURNACE, AND HIS VOICE WAS THE SOUND OF MANY WATERS.
(09:37:51) (Roz) His feet, his understanding was, as though burned by a furnace. His voice was "as the sound of many waters" indicates a transmission of instructions. Water is the symbol of transition between different cycles. Many waters connotes the ceaseless circulation through formation, regeneration and purification.
(09:38:37) (Roz) 16. AND HE HAD IN HIS RIGHT HAND SEVEN STARS; AND OUT OF HIS NOUTH CAME A SHARP TWO-EDGED SWORD; AND HIS COUNTENANCE WAS LIKE THE SUN SHINING IN ITS STRENGTH
(09:39:33) (Roz) The reference to the seven stars is Celestial guidance brought into focus by the Celestial Prototype. The two-edged sword denotes both physical destruction and determination of the spirit. The countenance like the sun is brilliant, warming and life giving.
(09:40:04) (~WalksInSpirit) Water and Fire always the two great symbols of Purification in a lot of cultures.
(09:40:36) (mael) is Celestial Prototype the Christ?
(09:40:40) (Roz) yes the 3 in one: earth, water and fire
(09:40:49) (Roz) yes it is the Christ
(09:40:54) (Roz) 17. AND WHEN I SAW HIM, I FELL AT HIS FEET AS DEAD. HE LAID HIS RIGHT HAND UPON ME, SAYING, FEAR NOT; I AM THHE FIRST AND THE LAST;
(09:41:40) (Roz) He laid the right hand that held the seven stars upon John. This guidance comes from He who had been in physical form and in harmony with the Life-force. John needed the influences brought into focus by the celestial confluence. I am the first and the 1ast indicates He is the only one.
(09:42:31) (Roz) 18. I AM HE WHO LIVES, AND WAS DEAD; AND, BEHOLD, I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE. AMEN. AND I HAVE THE KEYS DEATH AND SHEOL.
(09:42:54) (Roz) Sheol - Hell
(09:43:30) (~WalksInSpirit) I was gonna ask that. :-)
(09:43:54) (Roz) Sheol was the burning garbage dump outside Jerusalem
(09:44:01) (Roz) 19. WRITE, THEREFORE, THE THINGS WHICH YOU HAVE SEEN AND THE THINGS WHICH ARE AND THE THINGS WHICH SHALL BE HEREAFTER,
(09:44:14) (mael) i knew that one-but not about the garbage dump thing
(09:44:46) (Roz) 20. THE MYSTERY OF THE SEVEN STARS, WHICH YOU SAW IN MY RIGHT HAND, AND THE SEVEN GOLDEN CANDLESTICKS. THE SEVEN STARS ARE ANGELS OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND THE SEVEN CANDLESTICKS ARE THE SEVEN CHURCHES.
(09:45:37) (Roz) the 7 churces are the the 7 churches of Asia that Paul established
(09:46:15) (Roz) This introduction to the concept of THE R.EVELATION OF SAINT JOHN THE DIVINE, being the account given to John of the physical, mental and spiritual make up of the celestial prototype, Jesus Christ, denotes what is attuned.
(09:47:07) (Roz) The symbolism in the account of seven; stars, golden candlesticks and churches and their re1ationship to the whole of humanity is the purpose of the Revelation. The mystery is to be experienced in physical, mental and spiritual states.
(09:47:39) (Roz) and you can only understand it if you first experience it
(09:47:48) (Roz) any questions?
(09:48:13) (~WalksInSpirit) Nope. This is great material, Roz!
(09:48:25) (mael) so far --so good
(09:49:01) (Roz) Chapter 2
(09:50:31) (Roz) 1. TO THE ANGEL OF THE CHURCH OF EPHESUS WRITE: THESE THINGS SAYS THE OMNIPOTENT ONEWHO HOLDS THE SEVEN STARS IN HIS RIGHT HAND WHO WALKS IN THE MIDST OF THE SEVEN GOLDENCANDLESTICKS.
(09:51:09) (Roz) 2. I KNOW YOUR WORKS AND YOUR LABOUR AND YOUR PATIENCE AND HOW YOU CANNOT ENDURE THOSEWHO ARE UNGODLY; YOU HAVE TRIED THOSE WHO SAY THEY AREAPOSTLES AND ARE NOT, AND YOUHAVE FOUND THEM LIARS;
(09:51:44) (Roz) 3. AND YOU HAVE PATIENCE, AND HAVE BORNE BURDENS FOR MY NAME'S SAKE, AND HAVE NOT WEARIED
(09:52:20) (Roz) Patience is the assurance that GOD is directing our every moment for our good. Cause and effect bring about growth but only in so far as the heart is in the growth.
(09:53:10) (Roz) As Harry Potter says yu gotta mean it
(09:53:15) (Roz) 4. NEVERTHELESS I HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAVE LEFT YOUR FIRST LOVE.
(09:53:19) (~WalksInSpirit) ;-)
(09:53:36) (mael) i'm not up on my Harry Potter...
(09:54:13) (Roz) almost got the last book read
(09:54:19) (Roz) "First love" the love of God renders all other love secondary. Love of the absence from God has supplanted this direction and threatens to destroy the Universal Mind Direction.
(09:54:29) (mael) well, it just came out didn't it?
(09:54:34) (Roz) yup
(09:55:22) (mael) what is that "love of the absence from God"??
(09:56:31) (Roz) what ever you put before the Love of God, you choose to be absent from God
(09:56:43) (Roz) 5. REMEMBER THEREFORE FROM WHENCE YOU HAVE FALLEN AND REPENT AND DO THE FIRST WORKS;OR ELSE I WILL COME TO YOU VERY SOON, AND I WILL REMOVE YOUR CANDLESTICK FROM ITS PLACE UNLESS YOU REPENT.
(09:57:25) (~WalksInSpirit) Remove enlightenment...
(09:57:31) (Roz) Remember your priorities and turn again to those. The energies, now misdirected, cannot flow constructively.
(09:57:43) (Roz) exackle Wis
(09:58:28) (Roz) 6. BUT THIS YOU HAVE IN YOUR FAVOR:YOU HATE THE WORKS OF THE NICOLAITANS, WHICH I ALSO HATE.
(09:59:22) (Roz) The "works of the Nicolaitans" meant the works of those who commit actions deemed right by men but which are an abomination in the sight of God. This concept stemmed from a prophet, Nicolaus, who saw certain precepts as being expedient. He chose to me implement them as rituals to hasten spiritual
(10:00:07) (Roz) He chose to me implement them as rituals to hasten spiritual development before souls reached the maturity to experience the development. This retarded the growth. Certain mystical exercises cause great damage unless done in the context and time when such can be benefical rather than retardent
(10:00:39) (Roz) such as some Yoga breathing exercises
(10:00:58) (mael) what are the "first works"?--is it the fruits of the spirit??
(10:01:16) (~WalksInSpirit) Yep. Cayce said if meditation was done improperly, it could create a Frankenstein.
(10:01:48) (Roz) you got that right
(10:01:58) (Roz) 7. HE WHO HAS EARS, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPRIT SAYS TO THE CHURCHES; TO HIM WHO OVERCOMES, I WILL GIVE TO EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE WHICH IS IN THE MIDST OF THE PARADISE OF MY GOD.
(10:02:57) (Roz) He who overcomes the self-centered consciousness will receive the sustenance of participation in the energies of the Seven Spirits of God. "The Paradise of My God" is the awareness of God in every level of consciousness.
(10:04:25) (Roz) 8. AND TO THE ANGEL OF THE CHURCH IN SMYRNA WRITE: THESE THINGS SAYS THE FIRST AND THE LAST, WHICH WAS DEAD IS ALIVE
(10:05:09) (Roz) To the messenger (angel) of the church which SIGNIFIES faith (Smyrna), the spiritual force in consciousness, write. This is the message of God's first creation which is the only one needed.
(10:06:02) (Roz) lets stop at this one, sometime s I think too much material just confuses us
(10:06:48) (~WalksInSpirit) Ok. Thank you, Roz! This is an awesome study!
(10:06:50) (mael) thanks you Roz for having chat tonight
(10:07:04) (~WalksInSpirit) I am really enjoying it.
(10:07:24) (mael) i hope i am learning alot
(10:08:15) (Roz) I really enjoy this study I think it is one of the most important books of the Bible
(10:09:01) (~WalksInSpirit) I do too. And one of the most misunderstood ones.
(10:09:11) (Roz) agreed!!!
(10:09:58) (Roz) and it is so important I hate to rush thru it
(10:10:28) (~WalksInSpirit) Yep. It takes a good deal of time to really understand what is being said in it.
(10:10:35) (Roz) do yu have questions mabel?
(10:11:01) (mael) i am trying to ask as we go along, Roz, I hope that is ok?
(10:11:25) (Roz) of course it is always ok
(10:12:04) (Roz) wont mean much if yu dont understand it
(10:12:28) (mael) in v. 5--what are the "first works" ?
(10:12:37) (Roz) do yu meditate mabel?
(10:13:02) (mael) i have-but not lately--i am melting in the heat here
(10:14:14) (mael) is that the answer?? meditation?? is the first works?
(10:14:23) (Roz) the First Works are this for which you were created and designed for
(10:48:02) (Roz) Bless you for all the the services you provide
(10:48:19) (~WalksInSpirit) Bless you for Hosting such a great chat!
(10:48:33) (~WalksInSpirit) I am really enjoying it!
(10:51:17) (~WalksInSpirit) Night Blessings Roz!
(10:51:20) (~WalksInSpirit) Thanks again!
