Post by WalksInSpirit on Sept 3, 2006 22:17:56 GMT -5
Part Two: The Impervious Incas: 09-02-06
(09:20:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) If yall are ready, we'll get started. :-)
(09:23:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Holy Father, we thank You for this time of fellowship. Bless each one here with Your wisdom, Love, and Peace. Help us to apply the things You reveal to us, to our daily lives to Glorify You in all things. In Your Holy Name, we ask these things. Nunwe
(09:23:20) (merri) Amen
(09:23:28) (Meg) thank you, Amen
(09:23:41) (ron) amen
(09:24:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Now, we'll see what the Incas have to teach us. :-)
(09:24:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part Two:
(09:24:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Impervious Incas
(09:24:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those that journeyed to the land of the Incal as now called, but then to the land of Oz and Og.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1183-1
(09:25:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A great change was taking place in the Peruvian country. An old regime had given way to Peruvian pioneers; Now that era was fading into the time of the Incas and the old names would be forgotten, as were the Ohlms and Ohums who had once lived in and ruled that land.
(09:25:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Incas were wandering into the Peruvian country from the south, while more of the Atlanteans were arriving from the east.
(09:26:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those who went from the Atlantean land to what is the Peruvian or Incal land. By the very ability and prestige the entity brought new life, new hope, to the people with the journeying from the land before the upheavals. The entity became the leader for, and was interested in, the young people. For the young are the hope of the world.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5252-1
(09:26:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Who were the Incas and why were they migrating northward? Tradition has it that they came from an island in Lake Titicaca, the high mountain lake - elevation 12,506 feet - that lies at the extreme southern tip of what is now Peru, it's southern and part of it's eastern shores bordering on Bolivia.
(09:27:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From this spot, then, it is said the Incas began moving northward to the valley of Cuzco in the Andean mountains, and there built their fabulous empire of wealth and beauty.
(09:27:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) However, in spite of archeological confirmation of this tradition, there are those scholars who believe that the Inca peoples came from outside South America, conquering many small tribes of different speech, customs and religions as they progressed.
(09:27:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yet the Incas were familiar with the same plants, hand tools and animals as those who had preceded them and, like the Peruvians, had domesticated the llama.
(09:28:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) An Edgar Cayce reading gives researchers a hint of conditions which may have precipitated the Incas change of location.
(09:29:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “This was in the rule of the Ohlms… There was a geological disturbance at the time which destroyed many of the people, and after that the Incas overran the land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 760-4
(09:29:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Just where that "disturbance" centered is not revealed. One explorer, Colonel P. H. Fawcett, who is thought to have died of illness, or to have been killed by Indians somewhere in the vastness of the Andes mountain area was of the opinion that many Indian tribes of South America had traditions of a once great civilization to the east - possibly Atlantis
(09:30:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) - which had sired the Incas, or the mysterious people who preceded them and whose great ruins have since be credited to the invading Incas. He named Samaipata, a mile-high ruin, as the most south easterly ancient settlement of the Incas.
(09:30:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He found there remnants of a palace with ruined baths, and a shaft or mine entrance, which may have been the entrance to a treasure vault, since peasants have plowed up golden llamas and other relics in the vicinity of the ruins.
(09:31:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When Fawcett visited Lake Titicaca and the tumbled ruins of the once great city of Tiahuanaco he was impressed by the evidence of earth changes that had apparently taken place at some ancient time. He reported that it was his opinion that a great seismic disturbance of the distant past had lifted the Andes mountains - and the great lake - thousands of feet.
(09:32:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Because of this a tilt had developed, causing the lake to break through its boundaries and drain off to the south. This placed the "city in the lake" on its shores instead of in its center and shook to ruble the tremendous stones of which the city was built.
(09:32:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He speculated Tiahuanaco had been submerged for perhaps thousands of years and that the gradual subsidence of the waters had finally revealed it. He also advanced the theory that relics of a much older city were lying below the present lake.
(09:33:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Much later - February 4, 1955 - the Jacksonville Daily News reported that ruins of an Inca city had been discovered in Lake Titicaca, at a depth of 95 feet, and speculated that the city might have been built by the same Indians who built Tiahuanaco.
(09:33:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The stones used in the building of the great Andean mystery city were of such tremendous size as to lend credence to the tale that "there were giants on the earth in those days." Fawcett doubted that the Incas, splendid builders though they were, could be credited with the raising and placing of those cyclopean stones, weighing 50 tons and more each.
(09:34:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They remind one of Stonehenge, the Lion Gate at Mycenae and the ruins of Tiryns in Greece, and Greek legends of giants who tossed monstrous stones about like footballs.
(09:34:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Colonel James Churchward agrees as to the ancient statues of Tiahuanaco, saying it dates back 16,000 years, to a time prior to the sinking of Mu, and that it was already in ruins when the foundation of the Incan empire was laid.
(09:35:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A great monolith, forming the gate to the Temple of Tiahuanaco, is 7 feet high, 18 inches thick and over 13 feet wide. The crack in it was presumably made at the time of the leveling of the city.
(09:35:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Also incredibly old, according to Churchward, were the now tumbled cities of Sacsahuaman and High-Andean Machu Picchu, the later not discovered until 1911, When Hiram Bingham headed a Yale Peruvian expedition in the Andes. Both cities, Churchward wrote were incredibly old when the Incans arrived in that area.
(09:36:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In support of the theory that levitation was used in erection of the great stones of antiquity, Harold T. Wilkins sites a Trinidad legend to the effect that at birth each Atlantean child was given a disc, which would levitate it when struck to produce a certain tone, and that people traveled at will, simply striking the disc and singing a song.
(09:36:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, huh?
(09:36:53) (merri) amazing!
(09:37:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Wilkins quotes Antonio Herrera, a writer and historian of 1549-1625, who wrote that in the songs of the Indians and in their tradition there were references to a period when the sun was not visible for a long time. They spent many anxious hours praying for the return of the life-giving orb and when at last it did appear they were amazed to see a white man of fine appearance and body, though very old, coming from Lake Titicaca.
(09:37:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Because he brought them illuminations in many ways, they credited him with the return of the sun and called him Viracocha, "Vira" meaning sun to many of them.
(09:38:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As he made his slow way to the north, the legends say, Viracocha lowered the hills, increased the valleys, drew water from the rocks and united the nations. Some scholars speak of him as one of a trinity, the other two being the great unseen Pacha Camac, and Can, the legendary ruler of Mayax.
(09:38:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Since "Can" is also translated as serpent, the person may have been Quetzalcoatl, the Feathered Serpent of the Yucatan peninsula.
(09:39:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The disappearance of the sun may have been caused by some tremendous volcanic eruption and since it is suppose to have happen about 12,000 years ago it may well have been the "geological disturbance" mentioned by Edgar Cayce in Reading 760-4.
(09:39:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Incas credited all-pervading unseen powers for controlling their fate and rituals, and ceremonies of religion were a way of life: one came to agreement with his gods for his own-well being.
(09:39:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They had many gods, but Titi Viracocha was the most important; lesser gods had their own special powers and functions. They believed in immortality; and that after death he body simply became un-dead and there after took on the influences of the unseen powers.
(09:40:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Their religion was a combination of sun worship and moon worship, the moon being the sister-bride of the sun.
(09:40:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Priests cared for the temples of the Incas and there was a hierarchy, the pontiff being a close relative of the ruling Sapa Inca, the high Inca. Those who had committed sins of word or deed purged themselves by confession. This confession, says Cristoval de Molina, Colonial writer and priest at Cuzco in the mid-16th century, was made in public, except in cases of serious crime.
(09:42:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (An interesting side-note here... the word Sapa as used in the title of the High Inca is the same word the Sioux use for the name of their Sacred Black Hills. They call them Paha Sapa.)
(09:42:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The sinner was given a penance to do and was required to purify himself by wading in running water.
(09:42:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another historian of those early days says the concept of God under the name Pacha Camac, was a high noble one. The meaning of the name of the deity was "He who does to the universe what the soul does to the body."
(09:43:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (I like that meaning there... "He who does to the universe what the soul does to the body.")
(09:44:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Others contend that the name means "Creator of Earth," but a much more subtle and imaginative connotation seems to be contained in the following reading:
(09:44:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “There the entity found the activities in associations with the sacredness of the Inca and its teachings; its considerations of man in all of the relationships with man's material and mental endeavors; and yet the place of all the metals, the foods, the activities that are a portion of man's evolution in the appreciation of the gifts from the Creative Forces.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2281-1
(09:45:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sun worship and the practice of human sacrifice are mentioned in two of the Edgar Cayce readings.
(09:45:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one, then, before this we find in that land known now as the Peruvian, and when there was the end of the Ohums [Aymaras] and their rule over the land. The entity was among those that came from the Atlantean lands and gave to the peoples much of the impulse of the added forces in a practical building up of MATERIAL things of life,
(09:46:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) as pertaining to court hangings, ritualistic forces, the adding-to by the entity then of the worship to the sun and the solar forces, even to that of the offering of human sacrifice; for the entity was the first high priestess to the sun in the land, making the first human sacrifice in that period.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2887-1
(09:46:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity then among those of the first people who brought in the sun worship to that land…” - Edgar Cayce Reading 2688-1
(09:47:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Human sacrifice, hoarding of the super-abundant stores of gold, precious stones and jewels, are also said to have contributed to the moral degeneration of the Incas. Even the temples were corrupted by persons seeking material rather than spiritual rewards.
(09:47:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A life reading for a lady told of her former high place in the Incan social structure, and her loss through greed.
(09:48:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those that journeyed to the land of the Incal as now called, but then to the land of Oz and Og. For the entity then was a princess that lost its way from the daughters of the Law of one of those that made for the aggrandizing of the bodily forces and influences for position and power, the temples of fame, the temples of beauty,
(09:48:20) (ernie) greed is not good
(09:48:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) , the hoarding of wealth, the hoarding of those mediums of exchange that were not only beautiful in their own selves but as to the light, as to the influence same had upon the minds of others.
(09:48:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There the entity lost. Hence in the experiences of the entity there have been the fears of those that set themselves to be in high places, or those that look rather upon the material manifestations than upon the spiritual things. These have at times in the religious experiences brought destructive or detrimental forces in the activities of the entity.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1183-1
(09:49:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Cayce readings have much to say about the Atlanteans who came into the Peruvian highlands at the time of the coming of the Incas, either fleeing from the sinking remnants of the last island of their motherland or coming up from the flooding areas of Hy-Brazil, suppose to have been a royal colony of Atlantis.
(09:50:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At least one reading mentions the "things" - those pitiable creatures who had been bred to serve as slaves for the Atlanteans.
(09:50:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Incal land when there were those changes so oft of the peoples, when there was destruction by the peoples. The entity was in the capacity as a leader of her peoples who would bring help to others, and because of the gold, and because of the things, there were men who today are those who grovel about thine own activities, not in the capacity of friend, but as a laborer or laborers.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5322-1
(09:51:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One person found a use for her talents in serving in the new land as an interpreter.
(09:51:16) (ernie) i see
(09:51:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the experience the entity was a priestess, in those interpretations of what later became known as the Incals, the Lost Tribes, the peoples from the Atlantean land, the peoples who came west from the activities in the Lemurian land.” - Edgar Cayce Reading 1159-1
(09:52:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Others put their religious training to use for the benefit of their fellow man.
(09:52:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Atlantean land and the entity was among those who were the princesses of the Atlanteans. Holding to the activities of the children of the law of one when there were those disputations and the sons of Belial were using the spiritual ideals for material gains, came the divisions and the destruction.
(09:52:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was among those, however, who changed to the land now known as the Peruvian or Incal land and the entity was still as a princess of her peoples and set about to make for the activities and the worship of one God.
(09:53:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) These were the experiences of the entity where there were those rebellious forces again for self-indulgences, self-gratifications, and not until there had been those establishings of associations or communications with those in the Egyptian land was there peace brought in the experience of the entity's activities. In the name then Asklaa.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5257-1
(09:53:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one, then, before this, we find in that land known as the Peruvian land, during those periods when there were builded much of those in the Incals' influence. The entity then of the peoples of the land, suffered much in PHYSICAL during this period, being of those who were close to those who guarded and kept the temples, yet the entity did not WHOLLY -
(09:54:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) in its MENTAL self - conform to the ritual ideas of those peoples. In the present we find much of that as is innate as respecting ritual and of ceremony.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1725-1
(09:54:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The place names of the land - Oz and Og - were vanishing during this period, as were the Ohlms and Ohums who had inhabited it before the coming of the more advanced people we have come to call Peruvians. And now a new horde of invaders had appeared to upset the plans and progress of the so-called Peruvians.
(09:55:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A long reading for one young man revealed an interesting life in a far back time.
(09:55:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the rule of the peoples in the Peruvian country (now known) when the Incas were in the rule there. The entity then among those of the Temple Worship and the Priest, in the name of Kaat, and the entity then developed in that era when the forces were given to the peoples through the teachings of the entity of their relation to fellow man and the relation to Him whom people served in the Creator.
(09:56:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In that we find the entity has the urge as pertaining to the mechanical forces in machinery, for the entity in that day prepared many of the pitfalls in the mountains, where the machineries were prepared for lifting and lowering the precious stones as were gathered under the entity's guidance.
(09:56:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Also preparing the waterways for protection and for assistance in gathering such jewels. [See Source File Key #1005 for related papers presented at the 1964 Geological Society of America meeting in Miami Beach, re 1005-2]” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1005-2
(09:56:22) (HealingLady) I must go. Thank you, WIS...this is facinating...I'm sorry I can't stay. Be well and Blessings all....
(09:56:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Appended to Reading 1005-2 a clipping titled "Some Biogeochemical Considerations Concerning The Inca Stonework," Sites the work of the ancient stonemasons as being so exact that knife blade could not be thrust between the 300 ton polygonal stones.
(09:57:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Continuing, the report says that although it has been thought that the Incas that the Incas used no cement, a legend claims that made use of juice extracted from certain red leaves to soften the stone.
(09:58:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In support of this claim, according to the clipping, is the report of a Spanish Captain, dated 1609, saying that the Incas did use a red mud like cement,
(09:58:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) and the postulation was made that red iron complexes may have accounted for both leaves and mud like mixture, the Incas using a chelating agent of plant origin to weather, and in that way soften, rocks for their stonework.
(09:58:32) (ernie) i need some that stuff on rocks think of what it would do o the
(09:58:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In his book, Peru G. H. S. Bushnell says that all Central Andean peoples possessed great manual skill, which they employed in a very simple manner. This characteristic was shared by other South and Central American peoples, as well as with the North American Indians of a later date.
(09:59:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They molded and painted fine pottery without the use of the potters wheel, and worked many metals, finally producing and learning to work bronze. They had gold, silver, copper and their alloys, but did not have iron. They were as skillful at building the most massive stone temples as they were in creating delicate ornaments of precious stones and gold.
(09:59:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Colonel Fawcett said that all the Indian tribes in South America have traditions of ruled by men of a white race very far advanced in the arts of civilization: Bochicha, tall, white-skinned and bearded was said to have appeared in the highlands of Columbia, South America, bearing a golden scepter, and Hy-Brazil figures in Old Irish legends as a lost golden world of great antiquity.
(10:00:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Perhaps it was one of these men of the fabled days to whom the following excerpt refers:
(10:00:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those that were to become the emissaries or the sojourners in what is now the Incal land, or the Peruvian land. Later from that sojourn the entity came to what is now the Central American land, aiding in the establishing of not only the tenets but the manners and the forms of worship during those sojourns.
(10:00:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was among the princesses of the land, not only of the Atlantean but of the Ohum [Aymaras] and Og lands - and later Muri [?] [Lemuria?]. [Mu?]” – Edgar Cayce Reading 845-1
(10:01:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Much is said about the excellence of the weaving done by those people of early-Inca days and this is mentioned in a reading.
(10:01:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the Peruvian country, now known, in the days of the first Incal, as known. Then in the one that gave the first of the draperies to the temples of that period, and the entity lost in this period or experience through self-aggrandizement of position held.
(10:01:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The urge as is seen is the love of fine linen and of any work raised as figures on cloth, and the entity sees beauty in any raised figures in such, and often wonders why.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 4805-1
(09:23:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Holy Father, we thank You for this time of fellowship. Bless each one here with Your wisdom, Love, and Peace. Help us to apply the things You reveal to us, to our daily lives to Glorify You in all things. In Your Holy Name, we ask these things. Nunwe
(09:23:20) (merri) Amen
(09:23:28) (Meg) thank you, Amen
(09:23:41) (ron) amen
(09:24:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Now, we'll see what the Incas have to teach us. :-)
(09:24:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part Two:
(09:24:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Impervious Incas
(09:24:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those that journeyed to the land of the Incal as now called, but then to the land of Oz and Og.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1183-1
(09:25:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A great change was taking place in the Peruvian country. An old regime had given way to Peruvian pioneers; Now that era was fading into the time of the Incas and the old names would be forgotten, as were the Ohlms and Ohums who had once lived in and ruled that land.
(09:25:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Incas were wandering into the Peruvian country from the south, while more of the Atlanteans were arriving from the east.
(09:26:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those who went from the Atlantean land to what is the Peruvian or Incal land. By the very ability and prestige the entity brought new life, new hope, to the people with the journeying from the land before the upheavals. The entity became the leader for, and was interested in, the young people. For the young are the hope of the world.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5252-1
(09:26:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Who were the Incas and why were they migrating northward? Tradition has it that they came from an island in Lake Titicaca, the high mountain lake - elevation 12,506 feet - that lies at the extreme southern tip of what is now Peru, it's southern and part of it's eastern shores bordering on Bolivia.
(09:27:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From this spot, then, it is said the Incas began moving northward to the valley of Cuzco in the Andean mountains, and there built their fabulous empire of wealth and beauty.
(09:27:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) However, in spite of archeological confirmation of this tradition, there are those scholars who believe that the Inca peoples came from outside South America, conquering many small tribes of different speech, customs and religions as they progressed.
(09:27:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yet the Incas were familiar with the same plants, hand tools and animals as those who had preceded them and, like the Peruvians, had domesticated the llama.
(09:28:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) An Edgar Cayce reading gives researchers a hint of conditions which may have precipitated the Incas change of location.
(09:29:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “This was in the rule of the Ohlms… There was a geological disturbance at the time which destroyed many of the people, and after that the Incas overran the land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 760-4
(09:29:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Just where that "disturbance" centered is not revealed. One explorer, Colonel P. H. Fawcett, who is thought to have died of illness, or to have been killed by Indians somewhere in the vastness of the Andes mountain area was of the opinion that many Indian tribes of South America had traditions of a once great civilization to the east - possibly Atlantis
(09:30:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) - which had sired the Incas, or the mysterious people who preceded them and whose great ruins have since be credited to the invading Incas. He named Samaipata, a mile-high ruin, as the most south easterly ancient settlement of the Incas.
(09:30:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He found there remnants of a palace with ruined baths, and a shaft or mine entrance, which may have been the entrance to a treasure vault, since peasants have plowed up golden llamas and other relics in the vicinity of the ruins.
(09:31:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When Fawcett visited Lake Titicaca and the tumbled ruins of the once great city of Tiahuanaco he was impressed by the evidence of earth changes that had apparently taken place at some ancient time. He reported that it was his opinion that a great seismic disturbance of the distant past had lifted the Andes mountains - and the great lake - thousands of feet.
(09:32:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Because of this a tilt had developed, causing the lake to break through its boundaries and drain off to the south. This placed the "city in the lake" on its shores instead of in its center and shook to ruble the tremendous stones of which the city was built.
(09:32:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He speculated Tiahuanaco had been submerged for perhaps thousands of years and that the gradual subsidence of the waters had finally revealed it. He also advanced the theory that relics of a much older city were lying below the present lake.
(09:33:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Much later - February 4, 1955 - the Jacksonville Daily News reported that ruins of an Inca city had been discovered in Lake Titicaca, at a depth of 95 feet, and speculated that the city might have been built by the same Indians who built Tiahuanaco.
(09:33:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The stones used in the building of the great Andean mystery city were of such tremendous size as to lend credence to the tale that "there were giants on the earth in those days." Fawcett doubted that the Incas, splendid builders though they were, could be credited with the raising and placing of those cyclopean stones, weighing 50 tons and more each.
(09:34:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They remind one of Stonehenge, the Lion Gate at Mycenae and the ruins of Tiryns in Greece, and Greek legends of giants who tossed monstrous stones about like footballs.
(09:34:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Colonel James Churchward agrees as to the ancient statues of Tiahuanaco, saying it dates back 16,000 years, to a time prior to the sinking of Mu, and that it was already in ruins when the foundation of the Incan empire was laid.
(09:35:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A great monolith, forming the gate to the Temple of Tiahuanaco, is 7 feet high, 18 inches thick and over 13 feet wide. The crack in it was presumably made at the time of the leveling of the city.
(09:35:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Also incredibly old, according to Churchward, were the now tumbled cities of Sacsahuaman and High-Andean Machu Picchu, the later not discovered until 1911, When Hiram Bingham headed a Yale Peruvian expedition in the Andes. Both cities, Churchward wrote were incredibly old when the Incans arrived in that area.
(09:36:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In support of the theory that levitation was used in erection of the great stones of antiquity, Harold T. Wilkins sites a Trinidad legend to the effect that at birth each Atlantean child was given a disc, which would levitate it when struck to produce a certain tone, and that people traveled at will, simply striking the disc and singing a song.
(09:36:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, huh?
(09:36:53) (merri) amazing!
(09:37:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Wilkins quotes Antonio Herrera, a writer and historian of 1549-1625, who wrote that in the songs of the Indians and in their tradition there were references to a period when the sun was not visible for a long time. They spent many anxious hours praying for the return of the life-giving orb and when at last it did appear they were amazed to see a white man of fine appearance and body, though very old, coming from Lake Titicaca.
(09:37:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Because he brought them illuminations in many ways, they credited him with the return of the sun and called him Viracocha, "Vira" meaning sun to many of them.
(09:38:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As he made his slow way to the north, the legends say, Viracocha lowered the hills, increased the valleys, drew water from the rocks and united the nations. Some scholars speak of him as one of a trinity, the other two being the great unseen Pacha Camac, and Can, the legendary ruler of Mayax.
(09:38:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Since "Can" is also translated as serpent, the person may have been Quetzalcoatl, the Feathered Serpent of the Yucatan peninsula.
(09:39:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The disappearance of the sun may have been caused by some tremendous volcanic eruption and since it is suppose to have happen about 12,000 years ago it may well have been the "geological disturbance" mentioned by Edgar Cayce in Reading 760-4.
(09:39:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Incas credited all-pervading unseen powers for controlling their fate and rituals, and ceremonies of religion were a way of life: one came to agreement with his gods for his own-well being.
(09:39:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They had many gods, but Titi Viracocha was the most important; lesser gods had their own special powers and functions. They believed in immortality; and that after death he body simply became un-dead and there after took on the influences of the unseen powers.
(09:40:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Their religion was a combination of sun worship and moon worship, the moon being the sister-bride of the sun.
(09:40:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Priests cared for the temples of the Incas and there was a hierarchy, the pontiff being a close relative of the ruling Sapa Inca, the high Inca. Those who had committed sins of word or deed purged themselves by confession. This confession, says Cristoval de Molina, Colonial writer and priest at Cuzco in the mid-16th century, was made in public, except in cases of serious crime.
(09:42:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (An interesting side-note here... the word Sapa as used in the title of the High Inca is the same word the Sioux use for the name of their Sacred Black Hills. They call them Paha Sapa.)
(09:42:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The sinner was given a penance to do and was required to purify himself by wading in running water.
(09:42:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another historian of those early days says the concept of God under the name Pacha Camac, was a high noble one. The meaning of the name of the deity was "He who does to the universe what the soul does to the body."
(09:43:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (I like that meaning there... "He who does to the universe what the soul does to the body.")
(09:44:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Others contend that the name means "Creator of Earth," but a much more subtle and imaginative connotation seems to be contained in the following reading:
(09:44:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “There the entity found the activities in associations with the sacredness of the Inca and its teachings; its considerations of man in all of the relationships with man's material and mental endeavors; and yet the place of all the metals, the foods, the activities that are a portion of man's evolution in the appreciation of the gifts from the Creative Forces.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2281-1
(09:45:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sun worship and the practice of human sacrifice are mentioned in two of the Edgar Cayce readings.
(09:45:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one, then, before this we find in that land known now as the Peruvian, and when there was the end of the Ohums [Aymaras] and their rule over the land. The entity was among those that came from the Atlantean lands and gave to the peoples much of the impulse of the added forces in a practical building up of MATERIAL things of life,
(09:46:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) as pertaining to court hangings, ritualistic forces, the adding-to by the entity then of the worship to the sun and the solar forces, even to that of the offering of human sacrifice; for the entity was the first high priestess to the sun in the land, making the first human sacrifice in that period.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2887-1
(09:46:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity then among those of the first people who brought in the sun worship to that land…” - Edgar Cayce Reading 2688-1
(09:47:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Human sacrifice, hoarding of the super-abundant stores of gold, precious stones and jewels, are also said to have contributed to the moral degeneration of the Incas. Even the temples were corrupted by persons seeking material rather than spiritual rewards.
(09:47:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A life reading for a lady told of her former high place in the Incan social structure, and her loss through greed.
(09:48:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those that journeyed to the land of the Incal as now called, but then to the land of Oz and Og. For the entity then was a princess that lost its way from the daughters of the Law of one of those that made for the aggrandizing of the bodily forces and influences for position and power, the temples of fame, the temples of beauty,
(09:48:20) (ernie) greed is not good
(09:48:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) , the hoarding of wealth, the hoarding of those mediums of exchange that were not only beautiful in their own selves but as to the light, as to the influence same had upon the minds of others.
(09:48:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There the entity lost. Hence in the experiences of the entity there have been the fears of those that set themselves to be in high places, or those that look rather upon the material manifestations than upon the spiritual things. These have at times in the religious experiences brought destructive or detrimental forces in the activities of the entity.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1183-1
(09:49:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Cayce readings have much to say about the Atlanteans who came into the Peruvian highlands at the time of the coming of the Incas, either fleeing from the sinking remnants of the last island of their motherland or coming up from the flooding areas of Hy-Brazil, suppose to have been a royal colony of Atlantis.
(09:50:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At least one reading mentions the "things" - those pitiable creatures who had been bred to serve as slaves for the Atlanteans.
(09:50:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Incal land when there were those changes so oft of the peoples, when there was destruction by the peoples. The entity was in the capacity as a leader of her peoples who would bring help to others, and because of the gold, and because of the things, there were men who today are those who grovel about thine own activities, not in the capacity of friend, but as a laborer or laborers.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5322-1
(09:51:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One person found a use for her talents in serving in the new land as an interpreter.
(09:51:16) (ernie) i see
(09:51:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the experience the entity was a priestess, in those interpretations of what later became known as the Incals, the Lost Tribes, the peoples from the Atlantean land, the peoples who came west from the activities in the Lemurian land.” - Edgar Cayce Reading 1159-1
(09:52:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Others put their religious training to use for the benefit of their fellow man.
(09:52:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Atlantean land and the entity was among those who were the princesses of the Atlanteans. Holding to the activities of the children of the law of one when there were those disputations and the sons of Belial were using the spiritual ideals for material gains, came the divisions and the destruction.
(09:52:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was among those, however, who changed to the land now known as the Peruvian or Incal land and the entity was still as a princess of her peoples and set about to make for the activities and the worship of one God.
(09:53:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) These were the experiences of the entity where there were those rebellious forces again for self-indulgences, self-gratifications, and not until there had been those establishings of associations or communications with those in the Egyptian land was there peace brought in the experience of the entity's activities. In the name then Asklaa.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5257-1
(09:53:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one, then, before this, we find in that land known as the Peruvian land, during those periods when there were builded much of those in the Incals' influence. The entity then of the peoples of the land, suffered much in PHYSICAL during this period, being of those who were close to those who guarded and kept the temples, yet the entity did not WHOLLY -
(09:54:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) in its MENTAL self - conform to the ritual ideas of those peoples. In the present we find much of that as is innate as respecting ritual and of ceremony.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1725-1
(09:54:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The place names of the land - Oz and Og - were vanishing during this period, as were the Ohlms and Ohums who had inhabited it before the coming of the more advanced people we have come to call Peruvians. And now a new horde of invaders had appeared to upset the plans and progress of the so-called Peruvians.
(09:55:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A long reading for one young man revealed an interesting life in a far back time.
(09:55:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the rule of the peoples in the Peruvian country (now known) when the Incas were in the rule there. The entity then among those of the Temple Worship and the Priest, in the name of Kaat, and the entity then developed in that era when the forces were given to the peoples through the teachings of the entity of their relation to fellow man and the relation to Him whom people served in the Creator.
(09:56:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In that we find the entity has the urge as pertaining to the mechanical forces in machinery, for the entity in that day prepared many of the pitfalls in the mountains, where the machineries were prepared for lifting and lowering the precious stones as were gathered under the entity's guidance.
(09:56:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Also preparing the waterways for protection and for assistance in gathering such jewels. [See Source File Key #1005 for related papers presented at the 1964 Geological Society of America meeting in Miami Beach, re 1005-2]” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1005-2
(09:56:22) (HealingLady) I must go. Thank you, WIS...this is facinating...I'm sorry I can't stay. Be well and Blessings all....
(09:56:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Appended to Reading 1005-2 a clipping titled "Some Biogeochemical Considerations Concerning The Inca Stonework," Sites the work of the ancient stonemasons as being so exact that knife blade could not be thrust between the 300 ton polygonal stones.
(09:57:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Continuing, the report says that although it has been thought that the Incas that the Incas used no cement, a legend claims that made use of juice extracted from certain red leaves to soften the stone.
(09:58:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In support of this claim, according to the clipping, is the report of a Spanish Captain, dated 1609, saying that the Incas did use a red mud like cement,
(09:58:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) and the postulation was made that red iron complexes may have accounted for both leaves and mud like mixture, the Incas using a chelating agent of plant origin to weather, and in that way soften, rocks for their stonework.
(09:58:32) (ernie) i need some that stuff on rocks think of what it would do o the
(09:58:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In his book, Peru G. H. S. Bushnell says that all Central Andean peoples possessed great manual skill, which they employed in a very simple manner. This characteristic was shared by other South and Central American peoples, as well as with the North American Indians of a later date.
(09:59:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They molded and painted fine pottery without the use of the potters wheel, and worked many metals, finally producing and learning to work bronze. They had gold, silver, copper and their alloys, but did not have iron. They were as skillful at building the most massive stone temples as they were in creating delicate ornaments of precious stones and gold.
(09:59:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Colonel Fawcett said that all the Indian tribes in South America have traditions of ruled by men of a white race very far advanced in the arts of civilization: Bochicha, tall, white-skinned and bearded was said to have appeared in the highlands of Columbia, South America, bearing a golden scepter, and Hy-Brazil figures in Old Irish legends as a lost golden world of great antiquity.
(10:00:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Perhaps it was one of these men of the fabled days to whom the following excerpt refers:
(10:00:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those that were to become the emissaries or the sojourners in what is now the Incal land, or the Peruvian land. Later from that sojourn the entity came to what is now the Central American land, aiding in the establishing of not only the tenets but the manners and the forms of worship during those sojourns.
(10:00:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was among the princesses of the land, not only of the Atlantean but of the Ohum [Aymaras] and Og lands - and later Muri [?] [Lemuria?]. [Mu?]” – Edgar Cayce Reading 845-1
(10:01:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Much is said about the excellence of the weaving done by those people of early-Inca days and this is mentioned in a reading.
(10:01:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the Peruvian country, now known, in the days of the first Incal, as known. Then in the one that gave the first of the draperies to the temples of that period, and the entity lost in this period or experience through self-aggrandizement of position held.
(10:01:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The urge as is seen is the love of fine linen and of any work raised as figures on cloth, and the entity sees beauty in any raised figures in such, and often wonders why.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 4805-1
