Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 26, 2006 23:32:29 GMT -5
Part One: Peruvian Pioneers: 08-26-06
(09:28:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ok, if yall are ready, I'll start us off with a prayer.
(09:29:12) (Cris) Ready
(09:30:12) (alro) rdy
(09:30:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Holy Father, we thank You for the Many Blessings You have given us. Father, we thank You especially for this time of fellowship together. We thank You for Your wisdom that comes to us in many ways, even echoing from the past. Help us, Father, to have an understanding of it and how we can apply these lessons in our daily walk. In Your Holy Name, we pray. Nunwe
(09:30:56) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:56) (alro) Amen
(09:32:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Please feel free to stop me at any time to discuss the material, pose questions, interject, etc.
(09:33:10) (docyabut) ok
(09:33:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Great Migration
(09:33:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part One: Peruvian Pioneers
(09:33:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Written in 1970)
(09:34:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) What information we have on the pre-Inca residence of Peru, their progress and their conflicts with peoples of other races, has been in large part derived from the scores of life readings given by Edgar Cayce while in self-imposed trance.
(09:34:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The men and women who came to him seeking enlightenment regarding past incarnations, hoping there by to gain better understanding of their attitudes, motivations and objectives, became unsuspecting instruments of this unusual revelation.
(09:34:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Their questions triggered and unexpected and fascinating out pouring, focused on a long-vanished era.
(09:35:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Scoffed at by many as figments of the imagination, the lost of Lemuria and Atlantis begin to assume importance and to emerge as realities. The submergence of Mu in the Pacific and Atlantis in the Atlantic, and the migrations caused by these ancient cataclysms of fire and flood, took on scope and form.
(09:36:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Unfortunately, these populations took few of their records with them while making their escape to the nearest habitable dry land which, run both east and west, was that of the Americas, North, South, and Central.
(09:36:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A Cayce reading tells us that Lemurians - the brown race - were the first of the great horde of strangers to reach Peru. This information came as the result of a question concerning the appearance of the earth's surface at the time of the highest civilization on Atlantis. The answer in part, was this:
(09:37:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Then, with that portion, THEN the South Pacific, or Lemuria [?], began its disappearance - even before Atlantis, for the changes were brought about in the latter portion of that period, or what would be termed ten thousand seven hundred (10,700) light years, or earth years, or present setting of those, as set by Amilius [?] - or Adam.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-4
(09:37:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Colonel James Churchward's the story of the Lemurians, "The Lost Continent of Mu", the continent was a large one in the Pacific. There were, he writes, four great cataclysms, the first taking place in the Miocene era, about 800,000 years ago, the second and less violent one occurring about 2000,000 years ago, and the greatest about 80,000 ago.
(09:38:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The fourth, and final one, was the catastrophe of 12,000 years ago, that sent Mu and millions of her people to the depths in a "vortex of fire and water".
(09:38:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This great disaster evidently also affected the continent of South America.
(09:39:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the days of the peoples coming from the waters in the submerged areas of the Southern portion as is now of Peru, when the earth was divided, and the people began to inhabit the earth again.
(09:39:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One entity among those who succeeded in gaining the higher grounds, and then in the name of (which was changed afterwards) Omrui, and changed to Mosases, for the entity became the ruler and the guide, or the patriarch of that age and gave much assistance to the few as was gathered about the entity.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 470-2
(09:39:32) (docyabut) well to me Cayce saw Plato`s Atlas that repesented the migation of man and also king atlas of morroco tha twas a figure in mapmaking
(09:40:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another reading the continues the migration of the people of Mu to Peru, telling us that during pre- Inca times the Peruvian area was the only large portion of south America above water. It was inhabited by a brown - skinned tribe called the Ohlms or Ohums. They were of Lemurian origin, having evidently been settled there for some time.
(09:40:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They had come into the high Peruvian country from the south to escape the inundation there. The land they occupied was known variously as Az, Og and On. Here they set up their communities, built their homes and their magnificent temples of Mu, patterned after those they had left in their disintegrating homeland.
(09:41:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The readings say these people were "Priests and Priestesses, teachers, preachers, workers and shirkers."
(09:42:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Ohlms or Ohums who may have been branches of the same tribe, are often mentioned in relation to past lives of persons for whom Edgar Cayce gave past life readings. Three such references follow:
(09:42:38) (docyabut) atlas meaning of atlantis, the meaning of the seas an ocreans of the atlas
(09:42:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Here we find the entity AMONG those of the Ohums, and the entity heading much of those portions as dealt with the developments of the cults, as were called, in establishing home, in establishing estates, in establishing the various portions of the land, in its relationships one to another.” - Edgar Cayce Reading 2364-1
(09:43:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land now known as Peru. The entity was then among the Ohums [?] [Aymaras?] [See 4/29/77 GD's note in 4292-1 Reports re prehistoric Aymaran Indians of Peru.] that gave much to the peoples of that day in the way of converting the elements of earth to the use of man.
(09:43:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hence jewelry, precious stones, and those things that GLITTER attract unusually the entity in THIS present experience; yet the HOARDING of same is ABHORRENT to something the entity seems unable to locate in self.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2731-1
(09:44:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity then among those that were the leaders of Ohums [?] [Aymaras?] when there was the breaking up of the deeps, and the lands disappeared and re-appeared.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2365-2
(09:44:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Lemurians, it seems, were a peaceful people, who, before their mother land was destroyed, had established many colonies in Upper Egypt. Those who eventually settled in Peru were skilled jewelers and goldsmiths, who fashioned objects of rare beauty in their new home.
(09:45:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They also excelled in music, art, the braiding of strands of beads, and many other skills. According to the reading these skills were carried over from age to age to the present time.
(09:45:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (This reminds me of the Hopi & Navajo silversmiths.)
(09:45:54) (merri) there is a Peruvian art store in the mall here
(09:46:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, Merri!
(09:46:14) (merri) everything is handmade and directly from Peru
(09:46:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Have you checked it out?
(09:46:23) (merri) yes
(09:46:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Awesome
(09:46:36) (merri) looking at some wall hangings
(09:46:52) (merri) their pottery is beautiful
(09:47:04) (merri) deep vibrant colors
(09:47:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, you're looking at Mu influences there!
(09:48:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before THIS we find that the entity was among those in the Peruvian country, when the Aymaras [?] were in charge of the rule as pertaining to religious rites, and the entity the was the Priestess to the High Aymara [?], in the name of Ultjdhimpds. The entity then gained much, yet there were those conditions that were ever as burdens to the entity.
(09:48:28) (docyabut) cayce counted in light years not that is was 12,000 or 10,000
(09:49:28) (ron) light years, in this case was meant, earth years
(09:49:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, Doc, I hate to disagree with you, but there have been scientific finds that back up Mr. Cayce's time line to exactly as he said.
(09:50:14) (docyabut) none of these civilzation in ameria are dated 12,000 bc or 10,000 but 2,500
(09:50:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He didn't say that, Doc.
(09:50:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He said 12,000 years ago.
(09:51:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not 12,000 BC or AD or even BP
(09:51:20) (ron) just re-read that paragraph!
(09:51:21) (docyabut) there is no scientific evidence
(09:51:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yes, there is.
(09:52:37) (Leon) Good thing 'time' isn't real, or we could end up arguing over it.
(09:52:52) (ron) we are
(09:53:08) (merri) lol time is an earth thingy
(09:53:16) (ron) lol
(09:53:18) (merri) 3rd dimensional
(09:53:44) (ron) can you imagine living on Jupiter with its 7 dimensions?
(09:53:52) (ron) lol
(09:53:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce said there had been a "geological disturbance" back then to cause them to migrate. (To higher lands in S. America.) There was also an Indian legend that said the Indians went through a period where the sun was absent for months. Then, scientists discovered ash layers that hit precisely the time when Cayce said the "geological disturbance" was said to have happened. This all points to a HUGE volcanic eruption in S. America.
(09:54:05) (docyabut) give me a civilization that dated 12,000 bc besides the colvis and these were just hunters and gatherers
(09:54:07) (Leon) height, width,and depth
(09:54:48) (ron) never mind little (dwarf) Pluto lol
(09:54:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Doc, hold on just a few minutes and bear with the text. Mr. Cayce is fixing to tell us in a reading that they had advanced air, water travel, and communications.
(09:55:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The urge now, as is seen in the entity from this, is love of music, of art, of art treasures of every thing pertaining, especially, to braided or beaded works. For the entity was in that position as of the GIVER of these to all peoples.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2486-1
(09:55:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Religion was of primary impotence to the displaced Lemurians. They had enjoyed an advanced form of civilization, complete with great cities and impressive temples. Many of them had a thorough understanding of man's relation to the universe, or so it would seem. Monarchs of the Ohms were called High Ohlms, and at least one of these exalted rulers was a woman.
(09:56:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land known now as the Peruvian, during the period of the Ohums [Ohms - Ohums?? Aymaras] - before the Incals and the peoples of the Poseidian land entered.
(09:56:06) (merri) about time!!!
(09:56:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was then a priestess in this land, and a ruler - or a co-ruler with those who made insurrections, and those who later brought much persecution on the peoples through the furnishing of that for the gratifying of selfish interests; yet the entity high in mind, high in development.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1916-5
(09:56:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) LOL Merri
(09:56:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One of those insurrections resulted in the setting up of new democratic principles of self-government, and although it also brought about pain, blood shed and suffering for a time, it marked the beginning of an improved social-economic system.
(09:56:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This new regime was to have a far reaching and significant influence on future systems of government through out the world. Indeed, the sleeping Cayce said:
(09:57:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity gave the peoples those principles of self-government that have gone to the best rule through many, many ages.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2801-5
(09:57:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There were still castes and classes among the Ohlms, but the insurrections brought about a just division of wealth among the people. However, of one person it was said:
(09:57:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity established much of help and assistance to the peoples in that period, giving much understanding of division in a proper manner among the workers and the shirkers, among the well and the ill, the strong and the weak.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 4349-1
(09:58:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not all of the Ohlms agreed with their leaders and their progressive ideas; even as today there were dissenters.
(09:58:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “But in the Peruvian land, before that, we find the entity was overzealous because of others that had a WAY! The entity considered self and not the general welfare of the peoples as a whole.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 949-11
(09:59:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the Peruvian forces, when the Ohlms [Ohms? Ohums?] were in that [Aymaras] country, giving then the development of the laws as pertain to sacrifice.
(09:59:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity then in the Temple of Mu and giving the sacrificial service over which the Priest of Ohlm gave the first of sacrifice as offered by man which partook not only of the highest as was received, but of the best.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2698-1
(09:59:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Apparently the first sacrifices were of fruits and flowers, but after the development of explosives, in clearing the earth of mammoth animals, there was a change of practice.
(09:59:50) (docyabut) Cayce saw Plato`s Atlas of yesterday ,today and tomorrow , some of these readings were of the future lives of indiviuals
(10:01:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ok, but lemme give you something to ponder, Doc... the ruler Quetzalcoatl was also the Atlantean called Iltar. (Mentioned in the Cayce Readings.) And the Incas saw him land in his "ship made of shiny serpent skins" (Atlantian metal).
(10:01:52) (docyabut) Cayce saw Plato`s Atlas of yesterday ,today and tomorrow where man migrated
(10:02:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We also find that entering into Og, or those peoples that later became the beginning of the Inca, or Ohum [Aymara'?], that builded the walls across the mountains in this period, through those same usages of that as had been taken on by those peoples;
(10:02:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) and with the same, those that made for that in the other land, became first those of the mound dwellers, or peoples in that land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-4
(10:03:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) An interesting feature of Colonel Churchward's work is that it, too, he claimed was largely the result of clairvoyant research. By means of maps showing the gradual changes of the earth because of successive catastrophes, he hoped to prove that migrations of ancient peoples could not be realistically established or harmonized with the configuration of the earth as it is today.
(10:03:24) (docyabut) everyone that has excisted and will excist is atlantian
(10:03:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Except for the big island that Plato called Poseidonis, and Edgar Cayce called Poseidia, all that remained of the once great cotenant of Atlantis - according to Churchward - was destroyed when the third great catastrophe struck. The end for Poseidia came after the submergence of Mu.
(10:04:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not necessarily, Doc. Lemuria was older than Atlantis.
(10:04:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And I wasn't saying that Quetzalcoatl was a reincarnation of Iltar... I mean they were the same individual. He travelled back and forth to Atlantis.
(10:04:55) (docyabut) Lemuria land of the lumas, monkeys
(10:05:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not according to Cayce. Have you been reading any of the Cayce Readings I have been posting?
(10:05:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The fugitives from Mu that had hardly settled into their new situation in Peru before continued earth quakes and eruptions brought a flood of Atlanteans westward to South and Central America.
(10:06:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Meanwhile, changes were taking place in Peru, with lands sinking and others - like the Andes mountains - being pushed upward. The Cayce readings note these changes.
(10:07:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that period when there were changes being wrought in the land now known as Peru. The entity then among those that were in power just before the conquest, or the entering in of those that conquered or brought havoc to the peoples of that land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 114-1
(10:07:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The origin of the new comers is specifically noted in the following:
(10:07:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land now known as the Peruvian land, and in the days of the Ohms [Aymaras?] when there were the coming in of the peoples from the Poseidan land, and from the Eizen [?] land. The entity was then among those that were of the priestesses of the land.
(10:08:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity lost through a greater portion of this experience in making for hardships to those who came, as it were, seeking for aid and succor as the lands they left were being destroyed. In the name Zuze.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 404-1
(10:08:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Atlanteans brought with them the great power, destructive when wrongly used. Developed to rid the Atlantean continent of the huge beasts that had threatened to over run the earth , it was now harnessed and used for the building of great stone walls ( reading 364-4) and possibly for the erection of cities such as Tiahuanaco, Sacsahuaman, and others lying in jumbled heaps of gigantic stones.
(10:09:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One satisfying feature of the Cayce readings on Atlantis and the migrations of it's people, is that questions long unanswered by scientific research are considered. In many instances the readings corroborate points never before definitely established, though postulated by geology and archeology.
(10:09:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At times, however, information in the readings is found to be diametrically opposed to current belief. It is evident that time, research and new discoveries will be needed to prove the validity of some of the information received.
(10:10:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Sons of Belial are blamed for many of the troubles in the Americas.
(10:10:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in that land now known as the Atlantean, during the periods when there were the turmoils after the first outburst - or the separation of the isles and the land. The entity was among the people that were with the sons of Belial, that warred with the sons of the One influence - or the forces that are known as the relationship of man with the Creative Forces that may be manifest in the earth.
(10:10:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yet with the destruction, there was the gaining activity because of the influence in the experience that in the present would be termed GOOD. When those divisions again came, the entity was among those that attempted to leave the land for the sojourning in other lands; bringing eventually those activities in what is now known as the Central American land.
(10:11:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In the experience the entity became in the latter days or sojourn, in those active forces in what may be termed the Incal land, the second in command; becoming the priest in the latter portion of its sojourn.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 670-1
(10:11:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At that time the Ohlms were ruled a weak leader. The arrival of the Atlanteans, at war with each other, increased the problems of the peaceful people of the land. The Son's of Belial were the materialists of that day, who found the spiritual qualities of the Son's of the Law of One not in harmony with their ideas of advancement.
(10:12:23) (docyabut) he talking about the law of of one god
(10:12:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It was a moral question which, from earliest times, had divided the people of the then lost continent, and it was as unresolved in the new land as it had been in the old. The invasion of these forces brought blood shed and conflict to Peru and the land of the Ohums and Ohlms, as might have been expected, and the degradation and weakness of the High Ohlm gave the Atlanteans a decided advantage.
(10:13:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When they over threw this weakling and sent him into exile, they won the approval of his approval. The turbulence of the times is reflected in this manner:
(10:13:35) (Cheryl) As in Olmecs? Walks?
(10:14:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Naw, Cheryl. The Ohlms were a people that were comprised of the people that left Mu at the time of it's sinking. They migrated to Peru.
(10:14:51) (Cheryl) k
(10:15:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one [life] before this we find [the entity] in that land now known as Peru. The entity was then one that rose in power over the Ohum, and the entity overcame the ruler who lost self in the aggrandizement of selfish desires as respecting the fair sex, becoming the ruler, yet much blood was shed.
(10:15:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Ohums may have been a branch of the Ohlms.)
(10:16:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thence anemia. [This no doubt referring to the condition of the person who had asked for the reading, indicating that this person was paying a karmic debt.] In this condition the entity gained physically, lost materially, gained mentally, lost in physical –
(10:16:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) in that the entity learned to know that service brought contentment, where power brought only dissention.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 4248 -1
(10:16:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Once they had imposed themselves upon the weakening Ohlms, the bold and aggressive Atlanteans begin to exert increasing influence in matters pertaining to government and economy as well as religious thought.
(10:17:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) New machinery for the mining of minerals was installed and new methods of cultivation were introduced. Also temples in the Atlantean mode were built, and in these places the worship Atlantean rituals were accepted, as were foreign ideas and ideals in political affairs.
(10:17:09) (docyabut) don`t you get it cayce saw the history of plato`s atlas past present and future
(10:17:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Doc, we are discussing what Cayce saw.
(10:17:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Welfare activities in the land were expanded to include "the care of the least and the lowest." Castes were no longer countenanced and "all were of one abode and equal." Mental and educational needs of the people seemed to have been supplied from the same common store house that furnished personal needs.
(10:18:31) (ron) Plato recieved his information from an Egyptian priest named Seneca...and by then there what information given was brief and distorted
(10:18:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Doc, pay attention to this next post:
(10:18:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Advanced ideas are briefly outlined in two readings. The first indicates a widespread practice of astrology as a part of natural science, and the second, amazingly, hints that in ancient days there were methods of air and water travel comparable to those of the twentieth century.
(10:19:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the land now known as the Inca or Peruvian or Ecuador land, during those periods when the people from On (?) [Aymaras] and Og were making for so many changes, - by the disturbing forces which arose from individuals who came into the land from the Atlantean land, as well as those who were to journey for the establishing of activities in what is now the Yucatan land.
(10:20:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Through those experiences the entity advanced far because of its abilities in judgment as drawn from nature, as well as from the signs of the heavens and those activities that same bear upon the influencing of man, - as well as the seasons and the crops and the like, that were a part of the dependence of each people during those periods.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1895-1
(10:20:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Atlantean land, during those periods when there were the beginnings of the exodus owing to the destructive forces that had been begun by the sons of Belial. The entity was among the Princes of the land that made for the separating of those influences wherein there might be established the journeyings to other lands,
(10:21:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) with the keepings of records, with the permanent establishments of activities that have become a part of that ye call civilization in the present time. Hence we find the entity making for the establishments in the Yucatan, in the Luzon, in what became the Inca, in the North American land, and in what later became the land of the Mound Builders in Ohio;
(09:29:12) (Cris) Ready
(09:30:12) (alro) rdy
(09:30:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Holy Father, we thank You for the Many Blessings You have given us. Father, we thank You especially for this time of fellowship together. We thank You for Your wisdom that comes to us in many ways, even echoing from the past. Help us, Father, to have an understanding of it and how we can apply these lessons in our daily walk. In Your Holy Name, we pray. Nunwe
(09:30:56) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:56) (alro) Amen
(09:32:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Please feel free to stop me at any time to discuss the material, pose questions, interject, etc.
(09:33:10) (docyabut) ok
(09:33:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Great Migration
(09:33:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part One: Peruvian Pioneers
(09:33:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Written in 1970)
(09:34:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) What information we have on the pre-Inca residence of Peru, their progress and their conflicts with peoples of other races, has been in large part derived from the scores of life readings given by Edgar Cayce while in self-imposed trance.
(09:34:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The men and women who came to him seeking enlightenment regarding past incarnations, hoping there by to gain better understanding of their attitudes, motivations and objectives, became unsuspecting instruments of this unusual revelation.
(09:34:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Their questions triggered and unexpected and fascinating out pouring, focused on a long-vanished era.
(09:35:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Scoffed at by many as figments of the imagination, the lost of Lemuria and Atlantis begin to assume importance and to emerge as realities. The submergence of Mu in the Pacific and Atlantis in the Atlantic, and the migrations caused by these ancient cataclysms of fire and flood, took on scope and form.
(09:36:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Unfortunately, these populations took few of their records with them while making their escape to the nearest habitable dry land which, run both east and west, was that of the Americas, North, South, and Central.
(09:36:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A Cayce reading tells us that Lemurians - the brown race - were the first of the great horde of strangers to reach Peru. This information came as the result of a question concerning the appearance of the earth's surface at the time of the highest civilization on Atlantis. The answer in part, was this:
(09:37:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Then, with that portion, THEN the South Pacific, or Lemuria [?], began its disappearance - even before Atlantis, for the changes were brought about in the latter portion of that period, or what would be termed ten thousand seven hundred (10,700) light years, or earth years, or present setting of those, as set by Amilius [?] - or Adam.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-4
(09:37:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Colonel James Churchward's the story of the Lemurians, "The Lost Continent of Mu", the continent was a large one in the Pacific. There were, he writes, four great cataclysms, the first taking place in the Miocene era, about 800,000 years ago, the second and less violent one occurring about 2000,000 years ago, and the greatest about 80,000 ago.
(09:38:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The fourth, and final one, was the catastrophe of 12,000 years ago, that sent Mu and millions of her people to the depths in a "vortex of fire and water".
(09:38:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This great disaster evidently also affected the continent of South America.
(09:39:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the days of the peoples coming from the waters in the submerged areas of the Southern portion as is now of Peru, when the earth was divided, and the people began to inhabit the earth again.
(09:39:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One entity among those who succeeded in gaining the higher grounds, and then in the name of (which was changed afterwards) Omrui, and changed to Mosases, for the entity became the ruler and the guide, or the patriarch of that age and gave much assistance to the few as was gathered about the entity.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 470-2
(09:39:32) (docyabut) well to me Cayce saw Plato`s Atlas that repesented the migation of man and also king atlas of morroco tha twas a figure in mapmaking
(09:40:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another reading the continues the migration of the people of Mu to Peru, telling us that during pre- Inca times the Peruvian area was the only large portion of south America above water. It was inhabited by a brown - skinned tribe called the Ohlms or Ohums. They were of Lemurian origin, having evidently been settled there for some time.
(09:40:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They had come into the high Peruvian country from the south to escape the inundation there. The land they occupied was known variously as Az, Og and On. Here they set up their communities, built their homes and their magnificent temples of Mu, patterned after those they had left in their disintegrating homeland.
(09:41:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The readings say these people were "Priests and Priestesses, teachers, preachers, workers and shirkers."
(09:42:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Ohlms or Ohums who may have been branches of the same tribe, are often mentioned in relation to past lives of persons for whom Edgar Cayce gave past life readings. Three such references follow:
(09:42:38) (docyabut) atlas meaning of atlantis, the meaning of the seas an ocreans of the atlas
(09:42:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Here we find the entity AMONG those of the Ohums, and the entity heading much of those portions as dealt with the developments of the cults, as were called, in establishing home, in establishing estates, in establishing the various portions of the land, in its relationships one to another.” - Edgar Cayce Reading 2364-1
(09:43:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land now known as Peru. The entity was then among the Ohums [?] [Aymaras?] [See 4/29/77 GD's note in 4292-1 Reports re prehistoric Aymaran Indians of Peru.] that gave much to the peoples of that day in the way of converting the elements of earth to the use of man.
(09:43:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hence jewelry, precious stones, and those things that GLITTER attract unusually the entity in THIS present experience; yet the HOARDING of same is ABHORRENT to something the entity seems unable to locate in self.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2731-1
(09:44:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity then among those that were the leaders of Ohums [?] [Aymaras?] when there was the breaking up of the deeps, and the lands disappeared and re-appeared.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2365-2
(09:44:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Lemurians, it seems, were a peaceful people, who, before their mother land was destroyed, had established many colonies in Upper Egypt. Those who eventually settled in Peru were skilled jewelers and goldsmiths, who fashioned objects of rare beauty in their new home.
(09:45:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They also excelled in music, art, the braiding of strands of beads, and many other skills. According to the reading these skills were carried over from age to age to the present time.
(09:45:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (This reminds me of the Hopi & Navajo silversmiths.)
(09:45:54) (merri) there is a Peruvian art store in the mall here
(09:46:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, Merri!
(09:46:14) (merri) everything is handmade and directly from Peru
(09:46:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Have you checked it out?
(09:46:23) (merri) yes
(09:46:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Awesome
(09:46:36) (merri) looking at some wall hangings
(09:46:52) (merri) their pottery is beautiful
(09:47:04) (merri) deep vibrant colors
(09:47:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, you're looking at Mu influences there!
(09:48:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before THIS we find that the entity was among those in the Peruvian country, when the Aymaras [?] were in charge of the rule as pertaining to religious rites, and the entity the was the Priestess to the High Aymara [?], in the name of Ultjdhimpds. The entity then gained much, yet there were those conditions that were ever as burdens to the entity.
(09:48:28) (docyabut) cayce counted in light years not that is was 12,000 or 10,000
(09:49:28) (ron) light years, in this case was meant, earth years
(09:49:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, Doc, I hate to disagree with you, but there have been scientific finds that back up Mr. Cayce's time line to exactly as he said.
(09:50:14) (docyabut) none of these civilzation in ameria are dated 12,000 bc or 10,000 but 2,500
(09:50:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He didn't say that, Doc.
(09:50:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He said 12,000 years ago.
(09:51:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not 12,000 BC or AD or even BP
(09:51:20) (ron) just re-read that paragraph!
(09:51:21) (docyabut) there is no scientific evidence
(09:51:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yes, there is.
(09:52:37) (Leon) Good thing 'time' isn't real, or we could end up arguing over it.
(09:52:52) (ron) we are
(09:53:08) (merri) lol time is an earth thingy
(09:53:16) (ron) lol
(09:53:18) (merri) 3rd dimensional
(09:53:44) (ron) can you imagine living on Jupiter with its 7 dimensions?
(09:53:52) (ron) lol
(09:53:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce said there had been a "geological disturbance" back then to cause them to migrate. (To higher lands in S. America.) There was also an Indian legend that said the Indians went through a period where the sun was absent for months. Then, scientists discovered ash layers that hit precisely the time when Cayce said the "geological disturbance" was said to have happened. This all points to a HUGE volcanic eruption in S. America.
(09:54:05) (docyabut) give me a civilization that dated 12,000 bc besides the colvis and these were just hunters and gatherers
(09:54:07) (Leon) height, width,and depth
(09:54:48) (ron) never mind little (dwarf) Pluto lol
(09:54:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Doc, hold on just a few minutes and bear with the text. Mr. Cayce is fixing to tell us in a reading that they had advanced air, water travel, and communications.
(09:55:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The urge now, as is seen in the entity from this, is love of music, of art, of art treasures of every thing pertaining, especially, to braided or beaded works. For the entity was in that position as of the GIVER of these to all peoples.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2486-1
(09:55:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Religion was of primary impotence to the displaced Lemurians. They had enjoyed an advanced form of civilization, complete with great cities and impressive temples. Many of them had a thorough understanding of man's relation to the universe, or so it would seem. Monarchs of the Ohms were called High Ohlms, and at least one of these exalted rulers was a woman.
(09:56:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land known now as the Peruvian, during the period of the Ohums [Ohms - Ohums?? Aymaras] - before the Incals and the peoples of the Poseidian land entered.
(09:56:06) (merri) about time!!!
(09:56:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was then a priestess in this land, and a ruler - or a co-ruler with those who made insurrections, and those who later brought much persecution on the peoples through the furnishing of that for the gratifying of selfish interests; yet the entity high in mind, high in development.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1916-5
(09:56:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) LOL Merri
(09:56:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One of those insurrections resulted in the setting up of new democratic principles of self-government, and although it also brought about pain, blood shed and suffering for a time, it marked the beginning of an improved social-economic system.
(09:56:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This new regime was to have a far reaching and significant influence on future systems of government through out the world. Indeed, the sleeping Cayce said:
(09:57:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity gave the peoples those principles of self-government that have gone to the best rule through many, many ages.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2801-5
(09:57:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There were still castes and classes among the Ohlms, but the insurrections brought about a just division of wealth among the people. However, of one person it was said:
(09:57:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity established much of help and assistance to the peoples in that period, giving much understanding of division in a proper manner among the workers and the shirkers, among the well and the ill, the strong and the weak.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 4349-1
(09:58:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not all of the Ohlms agreed with their leaders and their progressive ideas; even as today there were dissenters.
(09:58:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “But in the Peruvian land, before that, we find the entity was overzealous because of others that had a WAY! The entity considered self and not the general welfare of the peoples as a whole.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 949-11
(09:59:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the Peruvian forces, when the Ohlms [Ohms? Ohums?] were in that [Aymaras] country, giving then the development of the laws as pertain to sacrifice.
(09:59:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity then in the Temple of Mu and giving the sacrificial service over which the Priest of Ohlm gave the first of sacrifice as offered by man which partook not only of the highest as was received, but of the best.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2698-1
(09:59:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Apparently the first sacrifices were of fruits and flowers, but after the development of explosives, in clearing the earth of mammoth animals, there was a change of practice.
(09:59:50) (docyabut) Cayce saw Plato`s Atlas of yesterday ,today and tomorrow , some of these readings were of the future lives of indiviuals
(10:01:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ok, but lemme give you something to ponder, Doc... the ruler Quetzalcoatl was also the Atlantean called Iltar. (Mentioned in the Cayce Readings.) And the Incas saw him land in his "ship made of shiny serpent skins" (Atlantian metal).
(10:01:52) (docyabut) Cayce saw Plato`s Atlas of yesterday ,today and tomorrow where man migrated
(10:02:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We also find that entering into Og, or those peoples that later became the beginning of the Inca, or Ohum [Aymara'?], that builded the walls across the mountains in this period, through those same usages of that as had been taken on by those peoples;
(10:02:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) and with the same, those that made for that in the other land, became first those of the mound dwellers, or peoples in that land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-4
(10:03:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) An interesting feature of Colonel Churchward's work is that it, too, he claimed was largely the result of clairvoyant research. By means of maps showing the gradual changes of the earth because of successive catastrophes, he hoped to prove that migrations of ancient peoples could not be realistically established or harmonized with the configuration of the earth as it is today.
(10:03:24) (docyabut) everyone that has excisted and will excist is atlantian
(10:03:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Except for the big island that Plato called Poseidonis, and Edgar Cayce called Poseidia, all that remained of the once great cotenant of Atlantis - according to Churchward - was destroyed when the third great catastrophe struck. The end for Poseidia came after the submergence of Mu.
(10:04:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not necessarily, Doc. Lemuria was older than Atlantis.
(10:04:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And I wasn't saying that Quetzalcoatl was a reincarnation of Iltar... I mean they were the same individual. He travelled back and forth to Atlantis.
(10:04:55) (docyabut) Lemuria land of the lumas, monkeys
(10:05:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not according to Cayce. Have you been reading any of the Cayce Readings I have been posting?
(10:05:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The fugitives from Mu that had hardly settled into their new situation in Peru before continued earth quakes and eruptions brought a flood of Atlanteans westward to South and Central America.
(10:06:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Meanwhile, changes were taking place in Peru, with lands sinking and others - like the Andes mountains - being pushed upward. The Cayce readings note these changes.
(10:07:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that period when there were changes being wrought in the land now known as Peru. The entity then among those that were in power just before the conquest, or the entering in of those that conquered or brought havoc to the peoples of that land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 114-1
(10:07:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The origin of the new comers is specifically noted in the following:
(10:07:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land now known as the Peruvian land, and in the days of the Ohms [Aymaras?] when there were the coming in of the peoples from the Poseidan land, and from the Eizen [?] land. The entity was then among those that were of the priestesses of the land.
(10:08:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity lost through a greater portion of this experience in making for hardships to those who came, as it were, seeking for aid and succor as the lands they left were being destroyed. In the name Zuze.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 404-1
(10:08:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Atlanteans brought with them the great power, destructive when wrongly used. Developed to rid the Atlantean continent of the huge beasts that had threatened to over run the earth , it was now harnessed and used for the building of great stone walls ( reading 364-4) and possibly for the erection of cities such as Tiahuanaco, Sacsahuaman, and others lying in jumbled heaps of gigantic stones.
(10:09:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One satisfying feature of the Cayce readings on Atlantis and the migrations of it's people, is that questions long unanswered by scientific research are considered. In many instances the readings corroborate points never before definitely established, though postulated by geology and archeology.
(10:09:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At times, however, information in the readings is found to be diametrically opposed to current belief. It is evident that time, research and new discoveries will be needed to prove the validity of some of the information received.
(10:10:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Sons of Belial are blamed for many of the troubles in the Americas.
(10:10:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in that land now known as the Atlantean, during the periods when there were the turmoils after the first outburst - or the separation of the isles and the land. The entity was among the people that were with the sons of Belial, that warred with the sons of the One influence - or the forces that are known as the relationship of man with the Creative Forces that may be manifest in the earth.
(10:10:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yet with the destruction, there was the gaining activity because of the influence in the experience that in the present would be termed GOOD. When those divisions again came, the entity was among those that attempted to leave the land for the sojourning in other lands; bringing eventually those activities in what is now known as the Central American land.
(10:11:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In the experience the entity became in the latter days or sojourn, in those active forces in what may be termed the Incal land, the second in command; becoming the priest in the latter portion of its sojourn.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 670-1
(10:11:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At that time the Ohlms were ruled a weak leader. The arrival of the Atlanteans, at war with each other, increased the problems of the peaceful people of the land. The Son's of Belial were the materialists of that day, who found the spiritual qualities of the Son's of the Law of One not in harmony with their ideas of advancement.
(10:12:23) (docyabut) he talking about the law of of one god
(10:12:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It was a moral question which, from earliest times, had divided the people of the then lost continent, and it was as unresolved in the new land as it had been in the old. The invasion of these forces brought blood shed and conflict to Peru and the land of the Ohums and Ohlms, as might have been expected, and the degradation and weakness of the High Ohlm gave the Atlanteans a decided advantage.
(10:13:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When they over threw this weakling and sent him into exile, they won the approval of his approval. The turbulence of the times is reflected in this manner:
(10:13:35) (Cheryl) As in Olmecs? Walks?
(10:14:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Naw, Cheryl. The Ohlms were a people that were comprised of the people that left Mu at the time of it's sinking. They migrated to Peru.
(10:14:51) (Cheryl) k
(10:15:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one [life] before this we find [the entity] in that land now known as Peru. The entity was then one that rose in power over the Ohum, and the entity overcame the ruler who lost self in the aggrandizement of selfish desires as respecting the fair sex, becoming the ruler, yet much blood was shed.
(10:15:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Ohums may have been a branch of the Ohlms.)
(10:16:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thence anemia. [This no doubt referring to the condition of the person who had asked for the reading, indicating that this person was paying a karmic debt.] In this condition the entity gained physically, lost materially, gained mentally, lost in physical –
(10:16:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) in that the entity learned to know that service brought contentment, where power brought only dissention.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 4248 -1
(10:16:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Once they had imposed themselves upon the weakening Ohlms, the bold and aggressive Atlanteans begin to exert increasing influence in matters pertaining to government and economy as well as religious thought.
(10:17:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) New machinery for the mining of minerals was installed and new methods of cultivation were introduced. Also temples in the Atlantean mode were built, and in these places the worship Atlantean rituals were accepted, as were foreign ideas and ideals in political affairs.
(10:17:09) (docyabut) don`t you get it cayce saw the history of plato`s atlas past present and future
(10:17:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Doc, we are discussing what Cayce saw.
(10:17:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Welfare activities in the land were expanded to include "the care of the least and the lowest." Castes were no longer countenanced and "all were of one abode and equal." Mental and educational needs of the people seemed to have been supplied from the same common store house that furnished personal needs.
(10:18:31) (ron) Plato recieved his information from an Egyptian priest named Seneca...and by then there what information given was brief and distorted
(10:18:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Doc, pay attention to this next post:
(10:18:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Advanced ideas are briefly outlined in two readings. The first indicates a widespread practice of astrology as a part of natural science, and the second, amazingly, hints that in ancient days there were methods of air and water travel comparable to those of the twentieth century.
(10:19:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the land now known as the Inca or Peruvian or Ecuador land, during those periods when the people from On (?) [Aymaras] and Og were making for so many changes, - by the disturbing forces which arose from individuals who came into the land from the Atlantean land, as well as those who were to journey for the establishing of activities in what is now the Yucatan land.
(10:20:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Through those experiences the entity advanced far because of its abilities in judgment as drawn from nature, as well as from the signs of the heavens and those activities that same bear upon the influencing of man, - as well as the seasons and the crops and the like, that were a part of the dependence of each people during those periods.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1895-1
(10:20:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Atlantean land, during those periods when there were the beginnings of the exodus owing to the destructive forces that had been begun by the sons of Belial. The entity was among the Princes of the land that made for the separating of those influences wherein there might be established the journeyings to other lands,
(10:21:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) with the keepings of records, with the permanent establishments of activities that have become a part of that ye call civilization in the present time. Hence we find the entity making for the establishments in the Yucatan, in the Luzon, in what became the Inca, in the North American land, and in what later became the land of the Mound Builders in Ohio;