Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 19, 2006 22:48:56 GMT -5
Col. Churchward's Lemuria, Pt. III: 08-19-06
(09:22:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, if yall are ready, we'll go ahead and get started. :-)
(09:23:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Mark, would you open us with a prayer, please?
(09:25:25) (lilith) may I offer one, WIS?
(09:25:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sure, Lil! Thank you!
(09:26:37) (lilith) God of all our Fathers, - the paths are even more confusing - be with us, stay with us, help us sort the path to You
(09:27:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe That was beautiful, Lil!
(09:27:27) (Cris) Amen
(09:27:32) (merri) Amen
(09:27:37) (Host-Blu) Amen
(09:27:49) (lilith) heart feltm WIS
(09:27:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep! :-)
(09:28:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ok, we'll pick up where we left off last week
(09:28:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The second of Niven’s unusual finds (1921-23) was a vast number of carved stone tablets with pictographs at a 12-foot depth in pits near Amantla, five miles NW of Mexico City. In all, he amassed over 2,600 tablets, which he placed in a private museum in Mexico City before his death in 1937.
(09:29:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When these were seen by Churchward, he joyously exclaimed they were similar, though smaller, with like inscriptions, to the Naacal tablets in Tibet, copied from records of Mu.
(09:29:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The priestly brotherhood, he said, had been sent out from Mu to teach the sacred writings of religion and science to colonists in southeast Asia, then India.
(09:30:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Though Churchward was unaware, a man named Edgar Cayce was soon to access information which would support these claims (independently of the Colonel’s research as the two men had no contact). Said Cayce:
(09:30:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The meetings termed as regular conclaves for the understanding and correlating of teaching of those of other lands; as Saneid in India, Zar, RaTa the High Priest of Egypt, and the teacher in the [now] Gobi"
(09:30:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#1021-3, Oc(. 1935).
(09:30:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And,
(09:31:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "There had been upheavals also from the land of Mu, or Lemuria. and these had their part in changing of the [Yucatan] land contours [ 10,600 BC], or there was the injection of their tenets in the varied portions of the land; temples then erected by Iltar and his followers from Atlantis, in this land ...
(09:31:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) a combination of those peoples from Mu, Oz [pre-Incan] and Atlantis ... we may find in these ruins that which partakes of the Egyptian, Lemurian and Oz civilizations, and later activities even of the Mosaic activities."
(09:31:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#5750-1, Nov. 1933)
(09:31:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) To support both Churchward and Cayce, there are traces of far-flung civilizations in the Negroid and Semite-featured statues of Olmecs in Oaxaca and Monte Alban (below images); the likeness of a bearded Tlaloc at Tula, Chinese jade found in Niven’s lowest city;
(09:32:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) evidence of Phoenician voyages in Azores and near Cape Cod. Edward H. Thompson reported a race of light-skinned, blue-eyed " Ulnwcas" landed near Tampico, often called Chanes or Canob.
(09:32:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Cayce, the white race originated in the Carpathians, now Turkey; apparently few stayed the put, with colonies established in Egypt, in Gobi, in Mu, all over the present Europe, Atlantis, and ultimately Mexico and C. America (doesn’t the name "car-path" suggest it?!).
(09:32:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to the Mayan books of Chilam Balam and the Popol Vuh the first inhabitants of Yucatan came "from the East landing on Cozumel."
(09:33:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Other records mention "from lands to the West" referring to Mu mountain ranges rather than Atlantis. There is no "right" answer; they came from everywhere! Logically, fleeing Atlanteans could not bring their sophisticated technology with them, only the memory of it.
(09:33:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Those who survived the last sinking of Mu were left to island-hop in search of food; remnants of this "back to the primitive" communities is what archaeologists are finding: flints, hand-made tools, pottery - and snickering,
(09:33:51) (lilith) makes me want to spit every time I think of the Catholic church destroying all "heretic books" eerywhere
(09:33:53) (Host-Blu) What good is a computer when you are running!
(09:33:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "Where are the power stations, lethal crystals, lasers, anti-gravity machines of Poseidia? Why don’t we find these, eh?"
(09:34:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It’s simple: it all submerged along with the land. Only the formula for constructing mega-ton temples, pyramids and complexes could be duplicated. And those anomalous artifacts that are discovered? Usually tossed aside or ignored by conservative scientists as "improbable."
(09:35:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Records there are, with more coming to light every day. And we are finding new ones that corroborate old ones, so that there are phalanxes of proofs, linked tip like little soldiers, ready to trounce any would-be detractors. Up until 1940 or so, critics of some of the Codex translations including The Troano manuscript, and their translators, were listened to with authority, for it seemed, implausible
(09:36:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) that advanced civilizations had preceded ours! Weren’t we the first, the crux? With access to more esoteric literature, and eyewitness accounts from more travelers to these places of ruins, the average person has a better picture of the probable past.
(09:36:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And cuneiform tablets of the Babylonians, containing religious concepts identical to those reported in the Naacal tablets by Churchward, were discovered in the mid 1970s.
(09:36:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Carbon-dating, a system for determining the age of organic material, although painfully inexact, was found by experts to be highly inaccurate (by as much as thousands of years) due to the ratio of stable and radioactive carbon in the atmosphere changing over the last 50,000 years, due to activity in the Earth’s magnetic field, or a jump in cosmic rav flux.
(09:37:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) So, does traditional science leap at the chance to correct arbitrary age-fixing of antiquities now proved wrong? Nah. But suddenly, there’s a "new kid on the block": uranium dating! There are now labs in Nottingham and Germany where uranium lead and samarium neodynium techniques can date rocks more than 1,000 million years old
(09:37:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) - with a margin of error of just 1 %. And just think, it only took 1,000 million years for us to discover the technique!
(09:38:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Language similarities, as well as symbols and glyphs duplicated at far-flung points of the ancient world, abound. According to Cayce and Churchward both, as well as Max Muller, there was a time that a single language was used throughout the world (though whether this was spoken or written, or pictographic, is not clear).
(09:38:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Many factors led to the diversification of tongues, one of which may have been earth changes, in which continents were broken up into island chains. Many etymologists have noticed common threads between languages, like Le Plongeon, who saw similarity between Mayan and Greek.
(09:38:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He did not refer to today’s Greek, but to the ancient language of three changes ago. This, explains Churchward, was permeated with Cara-Maya (before alterations were made during the archonship of Euclydes), at the time of ancient Athens (prior to today’s city) and its war with the Atlanteans before the last deluge.
(09:39:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From Homer’s Iliad 10:
(09:39:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The Carians were among the earliest inhabitants of Asia Minor and the Greek Archipelago."
(09:39:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Quotes from Herodotus, Max Muller, Thucydides and Strabo each put the Carians in Ionia and the Aegean "until driven out."
(09:40:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) So even today, there is a tendency left over from the 1930s to doubt the Colonel’s conclusions, even when they are more than adequately backed up with references. Several more of Churchward’s observations on linguistics:
(09:40:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • that ancient Egyptian is related to Sanskrit
(09:40:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • Rongo-Rongo and Easter Island scripts compare to that of Indus Valley (which linguist Charles Berlitz affirms)
(09:40:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • one of the two types of Maori writing is similar to that found in Tunis and Libya
(09:41:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) These seem reasonable, given the routes of early travel touched on, when the Naacals took their teachings (origin: Mu) to Burma, Babylonia and Egypt, founding Chaldean colleges where ancient language/hieroglyphs were taught (ref. Valmiki).
(09:41:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Chaldean is a great percentage Naga, noted Clement of Alexander. And it is generally accepted that Polynesian language contains Sanskrit words.
(09:42:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Although Abbe Brasseur de Bourbottrg, arriving in Mexico in 1845, was the first to undertake translation of the Troano Mss. and its other half, the Codex Tro-Cortesianus, he was no amateur. A French scholar, he studied Mayan from the few natives who still knew it, pored over official records, and learned Nahuatl.
(09:42:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The translations of Bishop Landa were not his whole basis. While his comparison of Egyptian and Maya alphabets was (according to E.E. Cayce, Richards & Schwartzer in Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited) "proven wrong by scientists in 1925,"
(09:42:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) one need only compare the two almost identical sets pictured side by side in Peter Tompkins’ Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids to see his point vindicated!
(09:43:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Since the Troano gave the date of 10,600 BC as last destruction, it is reasonable to assume it was correctly translated, and that those who termed it an astrological chart were misled and misleading. Le Plongeon devoted 12 years in Yucatan deciphering the glyphs, and was helped by inscriptions on a temple of Uxmal, which described the sinking of Mu.
(09:44:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Back in New York in 1885. He compared notes with his new friend Churchward (whom he met at P.T.’s mother’s Sunday salon), who had much to contribute from his years with the Rishi and studying Naga-Maya, Sanskrit, and Pali.
(09:44:07) (Host-Blu) I think that is amazing
(09:44:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He taught P.T. 50 Mayan words, and in later years he authenticated these translations.
(09:44:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward, in Children of Mu, describes the Cortesianus (now in the National Museum of Madrid) as "an old Mayan book, written 5,000 years ago from temple records, which are now in an underground cave in Yucatan."
(09:45:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This cryptic statement comes mighty close to one of the biggest mysteries mentioned in the Cayce readings. Cayce’s "Hall of Records" is said to be buried in three places: the Giza Plateau, sunken Atlantean land, and Yucatan
(09:46:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yucatan (these generally thought to be in the partially submerged Loltun Caves near Oxkutzcab where walls of 28 chambers bear petroglyphs from the Pleistocene, identical to those in the Canary Islands). It was said by Cayce that there was "a temple overlooking same: the area will rise with earth changes" (presumably an axis shift).
(09:46:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The cenote of Dzithup, in the underworld of Balankanche Caves, was considered a holy place of the ancients. Labna, with its unusual Mayan arch, could hold secrets.
(09:47:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But is there a clue in Plato’s "Timeus" which states that the Xochicalo Pyramid (60 miles SW of Mexico City) is an exact model of the Sacred Hill of Atlantis on which was built the Temple of Poseidon? Could X mark the spot?
(09:47:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And in Chichen Itza, the Akad-Dzib (sound like Sumerian "Akkad" to you’?) building, a door lintel at the south end bears an inscription of "the awful, tenebrous record," of either Atlantis or Mu, maybe both. Are there further records within?
(09:47:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward had two important locations he divulged to P.T.: Chichen Itza and "Chinyinez". The latter has never been located, and may be on ancient maps, but he never elaborated on it.
(09:49:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to the Mahikari teachings of Japan:
(09:49:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The Old Testament is a Hebrew translation by Moses of Zoroaster’s Zend-Avesta; the Zoroastrian scriptures originally being brought to the ancient Near East from Mu via India and Burma."
(09:49:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This nearly echoes Churchward’s:
(09:50:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "Moses wrote early books of O.T. from Egyptian temple records in hieroglyphs and symbols."
(09:50:16) (Richard) Where do you get that info WIS?
(09:50:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This is a lecture given by Col. Churchward's God-Daughter
(09:51:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He also gives this same route for the Naacal tablets, from which both Zoroastrian and Osirian religions sprang, so both statements about Moses mesh. In Churchward’s Books of the Golden Age, published posthumously from his notes, there is an illustration of a tablet supposed to have been written by Moses - later duplicated.
(09:51:38) (Richard) Not saying that it is not true... just not authenticated.
(09:52:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The adopted son of an Egyptian princess who afterwards became Queen Hatshepsut, Moses became the high priest of an Osirian temple. According to the Bible (Acts 7:22) Moses was instructed in the wisdom of the Egyptians.
(09:52:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Book of the Dead was a possible source for Moses’ spiritual teachings, as Cayce says this is its purpose (not a guide for mummified dignitaries), and dates from 5,000 BC or older (#706-1). It is, says Churchward, Ezra’s translations into Hebrew which are (a small percent) inaccurate, made 800 years after Moses’ death,
(09:53:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) for Ezra upon returning from captivity in Babylonia was on hostile terms with the Egyptian priesthood, and had no grounding in Osirian religion or in the compound symbols used.
(09:53:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Evidence is now empirical, from many sources, that Jesus’ "lost years" between the ages of 12 and 30 were spent in travels to spiritual centers. A translation from Churchward (from records in Hemis Monastery at Leh, Kashmir, written in Pali, copies of the original):
(09:53:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "When Jesus left his home country, he first went to Egypt and there for two years studied the ancient Osirian religion. From Egypt he went to India and in many cities, including Benares and Lahore, he studied the teachings of Gautama Buddha.
(09:54:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) After this he entered a Himalayan monastery where for 12 years he studied the Sacred Inspired Writings of Mu. At the end of 12 years he became a master."
(09:54:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From Cayce:
(09:54:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "Jesus (at age 12) went briefly to Egypt... .from there to India and studied with religious leaders Kshjiar and Kahanja (# 1158-9, #5749-2 & 7), then to Persia and studied Zoroastrian religion and the ’union of forces’ taught by Junner,
(09:54:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) returning abruptly to Judea at age 16 due to the death of his father, Joseph: then went once again to Egypt studying under Zar, joining his cousin John, already there. They both became initiates in the temple."
(09:55:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Further corroboration of these travels was offered by Russian explorer Nicolas Notovich, who in the 1980s found accounts of "St. Issa" (the Buddhist name for Jesus) visiting India during the same time frame; he translated this from a Pali manuscript at the great monastery on Mt. Marbour, near Lhasa (written 200 years after Christ,
(09:55:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) brought from India to Tibet). His Legend of St. Issa chronicles the tale, and a confirmation was provided by Swami Abhedananda in 1922, after viewing the mss. at Hernis, and writing Kashmiri O. Tibbetti. By the 1920s explorer Nicholas Roerich also reported viewing such records while touring Tibet.
(09:56:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Both Churchward and a Maya scholar named Jaurequi (in History of Central America) translate the last words of Jesus, "Eli, Eli, lama sabac tha ni," which is not Hebrew or any recognizable language, as actually "Hele, hele, lamat zabac to ni" ("I faint, I faint, darkness is coming over my face").
(09:56:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And it is Maya-Naga-Maya of East Asia or modern Maya of Central America. This is too enlightening to he coincidence, for one of the apostles had claimed Jesus’ last words spoke of darkness.
(09:57:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It makes better sense than "My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" which scholars have long doubted an Ascended Master would utter.
(09:58:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At Dunhuang in the Gobi Desert, ancient texts were unearthed in 1911, some written in unknown languages. When will some group of linguists undertake to decipher these? John Macmillan Brown wondered the same thing when he was shown them back in the 1920s.
(09:58:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The key to decoding all the world’s enigmatic scripts doubtless lies in proper translation of Maya, and its injection into other languages. Establishing a computer base for all glyphs and symbols collected from ancient sites world-wide could be a first step in eventually finding a "Rosetta Stone" through technology.
(09:58:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Churchward, the Japanese descended from Quiche Mayas of the sunken Mu, and are not related to Mongols; the Japanese language embodies 40% of Quiche Maya words.
(09:59:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Japanese legends, "Kamiyo moji" or "shindai moji" (letters of the divine age) were the 2,400 different kinds of letters used by people of Mu, only inverted. Their flag is the emblem of Mu, Empire of the Sun, and many traditions have been passed down.
(09:59:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Mahikari teachings in Japan (also called "Mioshie") which are based on Shintoism, Japan was once part of the continent of Mu, which stretched across the Pacific five or six thousand miles from east to west, and 3,000 miles north to south.
(09:59:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce puts its eastern boundary up near California, and adjoining the coast of Peru. The ancient name for Japan, "Yamato," means "nation at the top of the pyramid."
(10:00:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nothing could be more apt, for in the last five years important discoveries have been made at the bottom of the seafloor off Okinawa, near Yonaguni Island: a series of megalithic sites including stone terraces, pyramids, a town complex, castle, and temple structures, some 25 x 100 meters, and as much as 200 x 140 meters,
(10:00:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) , in 100 ft. of water-including a fossil dated at 6,000 years by Nagoya University. Eight sites were spotted, with coral encrusted stone walls and buildings, one topped by carved turtles. The area hasn’t been above sea level in 8,000 years.
(10:00:46) (ernie) i was in oki
(10:01:01) (ernie) for a year i snorkled a lot sweet
(10:01:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They are definitely artificial, says Professor Masaaki Kimura of U. Of Ryukyus, who has studied Mu for 20 years with two books on the subject, noting that the architecture is similar to Machu Picchu and the Temple of the Sun near Trujillo, Peru.
(10:01:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) However, geologist Dr. Robert Schoch (who dived there in 1997) termed it a probable "terra formation," that is, naturally formed rock which had been worked by human hands. He visited only one of the eight sites, and not too thoroughly due to murky sea conditions. Other important ruins in the group that look more promising, Chatan and Kerama need investigation.
(10:01:37) (mark) thanks WalksInSpirit,....blessings All
(10:01:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Timely issues facing the world today are prefaced in the Churchward book series: his Cosmic Forces refers to the lurch of the pole, which caused the magnetic cataclysms as in 10,900 BC, with resultant diastrophism (crust movement), earthquakes and floods.
(10:02:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The pole’s normal oscillation becomes a hazard if it swings 23 1/2 degrees from its mean. This has happened many times in the past. Cayce warned of, "upheavals in the interior of the earth, and the shifting of same by the differentiation in the axis as respecting the positions from the Polaris center" as of 1936 (#5748-6, July 1932),
(10:02:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) backed up by the scientific evidence of anomalies in the earth’s "Chandler’s Wobble" that year, up to the present. Geologist William Hutton believes even a 9 degree sway from the axis norm would be enough to cause crustal displacement and geological events.
(10:03:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce added:
(10:03:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "When there is a shifting of the poles, in 2000 - 2001..."
(10:03:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#826-8, August 1936).
(10:03:18) (Richard) Chandlers Wobble has dissapeared.
(10:03:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hutton has recently (Nov. 2001) stated that there is a good chance the auguries have started:
(10:03:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I didn't know that, Richard
(10:04:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) higher incidence of quakes in the South Seas, activity in the Arctic and Antarctic (polar ice melting), increased volcanism in the torrid areas-all signs given by Cayce (#311-8, April, 1932 & #3976-15, January 1934).
(10:04:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The idea that atomic power is exclusive to the past 100 years, is of it in the 1,200-year-old Maha Bharata and the Ramayana, referring to a war some blasted away by the well-known accounts time before in which:
(10:04:35) (Richard) I have the report... Can I present some of it?
(10:04:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "A single projectile, with all the power of the Universe, bright as the thousand suns, an unknown weapon, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. Corpses burned as to be unrecognizable, the hair and nails fell out, the birds turned white, foodstuffs infected."
(10:05:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sure, after I finish with this text. :-)
(09:23:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Mark, would you open us with a prayer, please?
(09:25:25) (lilith) may I offer one, WIS?
(09:25:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sure, Lil! Thank you!
(09:26:37) (lilith) God of all our Fathers, - the paths are even more confusing - be with us, stay with us, help us sort the path to You
(09:27:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe That was beautiful, Lil!
(09:27:27) (Cris) Amen
(09:27:32) (merri) Amen
(09:27:37) (Host-Blu) Amen
(09:27:49) (lilith) heart feltm WIS
(09:27:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep! :-)
(09:28:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ok, we'll pick up where we left off last week
(09:28:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The second of Niven’s unusual finds (1921-23) was a vast number of carved stone tablets with pictographs at a 12-foot depth in pits near Amantla, five miles NW of Mexico City. In all, he amassed over 2,600 tablets, which he placed in a private museum in Mexico City before his death in 1937.
(09:29:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When these were seen by Churchward, he joyously exclaimed they were similar, though smaller, with like inscriptions, to the Naacal tablets in Tibet, copied from records of Mu.
(09:29:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The priestly brotherhood, he said, had been sent out from Mu to teach the sacred writings of religion and science to colonists in southeast Asia, then India.
(09:30:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Though Churchward was unaware, a man named Edgar Cayce was soon to access information which would support these claims (independently of the Colonel’s research as the two men had no contact). Said Cayce:
(09:30:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The meetings termed as regular conclaves for the understanding and correlating of teaching of those of other lands; as Saneid in India, Zar, RaTa the High Priest of Egypt, and the teacher in the [now] Gobi"
(09:30:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#1021-3, Oc(. 1935).
(09:30:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And,
(09:31:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "There had been upheavals also from the land of Mu, or Lemuria. and these had their part in changing of the [Yucatan] land contours [ 10,600 BC], or there was the injection of their tenets in the varied portions of the land; temples then erected by Iltar and his followers from Atlantis, in this land ...
(09:31:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) a combination of those peoples from Mu, Oz [pre-Incan] and Atlantis ... we may find in these ruins that which partakes of the Egyptian, Lemurian and Oz civilizations, and later activities even of the Mosaic activities."
(09:31:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#5750-1, Nov. 1933)
(09:31:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) To support both Churchward and Cayce, there are traces of far-flung civilizations in the Negroid and Semite-featured statues of Olmecs in Oaxaca and Monte Alban (below images); the likeness of a bearded Tlaloc at Tula, Chinese jade found in Niven’s lowest city;
(09:32:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) evidence of Phoenician voyages in Azores and near Cape Cod. Edward H. Thompson reported a race of light-skinned, blue-eyed " Ulnwcas" landed near Tampico, often called Chanes or Canob.
(09:32:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Cayce, the white race originated in the Carpathians, now Turkey; apparently few stayed the put, with colonies established in Egypt, in Gobi, in Mu, all over the present Europe, Atlantis, and ultimately Mexico and C. America (doesn’t the name "car-path" suggest it?!).
(09:32:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to the Mayan books of Chilam Balam and the Popol Vuh the first inhabitants of Yucatan came "from the East landing on Cozumel."
(09:33:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Other records mention "from lands to the West" referring to Mu mountain ranges rather than Atlantis. There is no "right" answer; they came from everywhere! Logically, fleeing Atlanteans could not bring their sophisticated technology with them, only the memory of it.
(09:33:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Those who survived the last sinking of Mu were left to island-hop in search of food; remnants of this "back to the primitive" communities is what archaeologists are finding: flints, hand-made tools, pottery - and snickering,
(09:33:51) (lilith) makes me want to spit every time I think of the Catholic church destroying all "heretic books" eerywhere
(09:33:53) (Host-Blu) What good is a computer when you are running!
(09:33:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "Where are the power stations, lethal crystals, lasers, anti-gravity machines of Poseidia? Why don’t we find these, eh?"
(09:34:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It’s simple: it all submerged along with the land. Only the formula for constructing mega-ton temples, pyramids and complexes could be duplicated. And those anomalous artifacts that are discovered? Usually tossed aside or ignored by conservative scientists as "improbable."
(09:35:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Records there are, with more coming to light every day. And we are finding new ones that corroborate old ones, so that there are phalanxes of proofs, linked tip like little soldiers, ready to trounce any would-be detractors. Up until 1940 or so, critics of some of the Codex translations including The Troano manuscript, and their translators, were listened to with authority, for it seemed, implausible
(09:36:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) that advanced civilizations had preceded ours! Weren’t we the first, the crux? With access to more esoteric literature, and eyewitness accounts from more travelers to these places of ruins, the average person has a better picture of the probable past.
(09:36:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And cuneiform tablets of the Babylonians, containing religious concepts identical to those reported in the Naacal tablets by Churchward, were discovered in the mid 1970s.
(09:36:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Carbon-dating, a system for determining the age of organic material, although painfully inexact, was found by experts to be highly inaccurate (by as much as thousands of years) due to the ratio of stable and radioactive carbon in the atmosphere changing over the last 50,000 years, due to activity in the Earth’s magnetic field, or a jump in cosmic rav flux.
(09:37:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) So, does traditional science leap at the chance to correct arbitrary age-fixing of antiquities now proved wrong? Nah. But suddenly, there’s a "new kid on the block": uranium dating! There are now labs in Nottingham and Germany where uranium lead and samarium neodynium techniques can date rocks more than 1,000 million years old
(09:37:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) - with a margin of error of just 1 %. And just think, it only took 1,000 million years for us to discover the technique!
(09:38:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Language similarities, as well as symbols and glyphs duplicated at far-flung points of the ancient world, abound. According to Cayce and Churchward both, as well as Max Muller, there was a time that a single language was used throughout the world (though whether this was spoken or written, or pictographic, is not clear).
(09:38:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Many factors led to the diversification of tongues, one of which may have been earth changes, in which continents were broken up into island chains. Many etymologists have noticed common threads between languages, like Le Plongeon, who saw similarity between Mayan and Greek.
(09:38:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He did not refer to today’s Greek, but to the ancient language of three changes ago. This, explains Churchward, was permeated with Cara-Maya (before alterations were made during the archonship of Euclydes), at the time of ancient Athens (prior to today’s city) and its war with the Atlanteans before the last deluge.
(09:39:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From Homer’s Iliad 10:
(09:39:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The Carians were among the earliest inhabitants of Asia Minor and the Greek Archipelago."
(09:39:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Quotes from Herodotus, Max Muller, Thucydides and Strabo each put the Carians in Ionia and the Aegean "until driven out."
(09:40:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) So even today, there is a tendency left over from the 1930s to doubt the Colonel’s conclusions, even when they are more than adequately backed up with references. Several more of Churchward’s observations on linguistics:
(09:40:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • that ancient Egyptian is related to Sanskrit
(09:40:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • Rongo-Rongo and Easter Island scripts compare to that of Indus Valley (which linguist Charles Berlitz affirms)
(09:40:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • one of the two types of Maori writing is similar to that found in Tunis and Libya
(09:41:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) These seem reasonable, given the routes of early travel touched on, when the Naacals took their teachings (origin: Mu) to Burma, Babylonia and Egypt, founding Chaldean colleges where ancient language/hieroglyphs were taught (ref. Valmiki).
(09:41:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Chaldean is a great percentage Naga, noted Clement of Alexander. And it is generally accepted that Polynesian language contains Sanskrit words.
(09:42:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Although Abbe Brasseur de Bourbottrg, arriving in Mexico in 1845, was the first to undertake translation of the Troano Mss. and its other half, the Codex Tro-Cortesianus, he was no amateur. A French scholar, he studied Mayan from the few natives who still knew it, pored over official records, and learned Nahuatl.
(09:42:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The translations of Bishop Landa were not his whole basis. While his comparison of Egyptian and Maya alphabets was (according to E.E. Cayce, Richards & Schwartzer in Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited) "proven wrong by scientists in 1925,"
(09:42:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) one need only compare the two almost identical sets pictured side by side in Peter Tompkins’ Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids to see his point vindicated!
(09:43:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Since the Troano gave the date of 10,600 BC as last destruction, it is reasonable to assume it was correctly translated, and that those who termed it an astrological chart were misled and misleading. Le Plongeon devoted 12 years in Yucatan deciphering the glyphs, and was helped by inscriptions on a temple of Uxmal, which described the sinking of Mu.
(09:44:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Back in New York in 1885. He compared notes with his new friend Churchward (whom he met at P.T.’s mother’s Sunday salon), who had much to contribute from his years with the Rishi and studying Naga-Maya, Sanskrit, and Pali.
(09:44:07) (Host-Blu) I think that is amazing
(09:44:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He taught P.T. 50 Mayan words, and in later years he authenticated these translations.
(09:44:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward, in Children of Mu, describes the Cortesianus (now in the National Museum of Madrid) as "an old Mayan book, written 5,000 years ago from temple records, which are now in an underground cave in Yucatan."
(09:45:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This cryptic statement comes mighty close to one of the biggest mysteries mentioned in the Cayce readings. Cayce’s "Hall of Records" is said to be buried in three places: the Giza Plateau, sunken Atlantean land, and Yucatan
(09:46:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yucatan (these generally thought to be in the partially submerged Loltun Caves near Oxkutzcab where walls of 28 chambers bear petroglyphs from the Pleistocene, identical to those in the Canary Islands). It was said by Cayce that there was "a temple overlooking same: the area will rise with earth changes" (presumably an axis shift).
(09:46:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The cenote of Dzithup, in the underworld of Balankanche Caves, was considered a holy place of the ancients. Labna, with its unusual Mayan arch, could hold secrets.
(09:47:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But is there a clue in Plato’s "Timeus" which states that the Xochicalo Pyramid (60 miles SW of Mexico City) is an exact model of the Sacred Hill of Atlantis on which was built the Temple of Poseidon? Could X mark the spot?
(09:47:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And in Chichen Itza, the Akad-Dzib (sound like Sumerian "Akkad" to you’?) building, a door lintel at the south end bears an inscription of "the awful, tenebrous record," of either Atlantis or Mu, maybe both. Are there further records within?
(09:47:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward had two important locations he divulged to P.T.: Chichen Itza and "Chinyinez". The latter has never been located, and may be on ancient maps, but he never elaborated on it.
(09:49:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to the Mahikari teachings of Japan:
(09:49:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The Old Testament is a Hebrew translation by Moses of Zoroaster’s Zend-Avesta; the Zoroastrian scriptures originally being brought to the ancient Near East from Mu via India and Burma."
(09:49:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This nearly echoes Churchward’s:
(09:50:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "Moses wrote early books of O.T. from Egyptian temple records in hieroglyphs and symbols."
(09:50:16) (Richard) Where do you get that info WIS?
(09:50:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This is a lecture given by Col. Churchward's God-Daughter
(09:51:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He also gives this same route for the Naacal tablets, from which both Zoroastrian and Osirian religions sprang, so both statements about Moses mesh. In Churchward’s Books of the Golden Age, published posthumously from his notes, there is an illustration of a tablet supposed to have been written by Moses - later duplicated.
(09:51:38) (Richard) Not saying that it is not true... just not authenticated.
(09:52:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The adopted son of an Egyptian princess who afterwards became Queen Hatshepsut, Moses became the high priest of an Osirian temple. According to the Bible (Acts 7:22) Moses was instructed in the wisdom of the Egyptians.
(09:52:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Book of the Dead was a possible source for Moses’ spiritual teachings, as Cayce says this is its purpose (not a guide for mummified dignitaries), and dates from 5,000 BC or older (#706-1). It is, says Churchward, Ezra’s translations into Hebrew which are (a small percent) inaccurate, made 800 years after Moses’ death,
(09:53:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) for Ezra upon returning from captivity in Babylonia was on hostile terms with the Egyptian priesthood, and had no grounding in Osirian religion or in the compound symbols used.
(09:53:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Evidence is now empirical, from many sources, that Jesus’ "lost years" between the ages of 12 and 30 were spent in travels to spiritual centers. A translation from Churchward (from records in Hemis Monastery at Leh, Kashmir, written in Pali, copies of the original):
(09:53:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "When Jesus left his home country, he first went to Egypt and there for two years studied the ancient Osirian religion. From Egypt he went to India and in many cities, including Benares and Lahore, he studied the teachings of Gautama Buddha.
(09:54:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) After this he entered a Himalayan monastery where for 12 years he studied the Sacred Inspired Writings of Mu. At the end of 12 years he became a master."
(09:54:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From Cayce:
(09:54:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "Jesus (at age 12) went briefly to Egypt... .from there to India and studied with religious leaders Kshjiar and Kahanja (# 1158-9, #5749-2 & 7), then to Persia and studied Zoroastrian religion and the ’union of forces’ taught by Junner,
(09:54:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) returning abruptly to Judea at age 16 due to the death of his father, Joseph: then went once again to Egypt studying under Zar, joining his cousin John, already there. They both became initiates in the temple."
(09:55:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Further corroboration of these travels was offered by Russian explorer Nicolas Notovich, who in the 1980s found accounts of "St. Issa" (the Buddhist name for Jesus) visiting India during the same time frame; he translated this from a Pali manuscript at the great monastery on Mt. Marbour, near Lhasa (written 200 years after Christ,
(09:55:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) brought from India to Tibet). His Legend of St. Issa chronicles the tale, and a confirmation was provided by Swami Abhedananda in 1922, after viewing the mss. at Hernis, and writing Kashmiri O. Tibbetti. By the 1920s explorer Nicholas Roerich also reported viewing such records while touring Tibet.
(09:56:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Both Churchward and a Maya scholar named Jaurequi (in History of Central America) translate the last words of Jesus, "Eli, Eli, lama sabac tha ni," which is not Hebrew or any recognizable language, as actually "Hele, hele, lamat zabac to ni" ("I faint, I faint, darkness is coming over my face").
(09:56:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And it is Maya-Naga-Maya of East Asia or modern Maya of Central America. This is too enlightening to he coincidence, for one of the apostles had claimed Jesus’ last words spoke of darkness.
(09:57:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It makes better sense than "My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" which scholars have long doubted an Ascended Master would utter.
(09:58:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At Dunhuang in the Gobi Desert, ancient texts were unearthed in 1911, some written in unknown languages. When will some group of linguists undertake to decipher these? John Macmillan Brown wondered the same thing when he was shown them back in the 1920s.
(09:58:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The key to decoding all the world’s enigmatic scripts doubtless lies in proper translation of Maya, and its injection into other languages. Establishing a computer base for all glyphs and symbols collected from ancient sites world-wide could be a first step in eventually finding a "Rosetta Stone" through technology.
(09:58:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Churchward, the Japanese descended from Quiche Mayas of the sunken Mu, and are not related to Mongols; the Japanese language embodies 40% of Quiche Maya words.
(09:59:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Japanese legends, "Kamiyo moji" or "shindai moji" (letters of the divine age) were the 2,400 different kinds of letters used by people of Mu, only inverted. Their flag is the emblem of Mu, Empire of the Sun, and many traditions have been passed down.
(09:59:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Mahikari teachings in Japan (also called "Mioshie") which are based on Shintoism, Japan was once part of the continent of Mu, which stretched across the Pacific five or six thousand miles from east to west, and 3,000 miles north to south.
(09:59:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce puts its eastern boundary up near California, and adjoining the coast of Peru. The ancient name for Japan, "Yamato," means "nation at the top of the pyramid."
(10:00:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nothing could be more apt, for in the last five years important discoveries have been made at the bottom of the seafloor off Okinawa, near Yonaguni Island: a series of megalithic sites including stone terraces, pyramids, a town complex, castle, and temple structures, some 25 x 100 meters, and as much as 200 x 140 meters,
(10:00:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) , in 100 ft. of water-including a fossil dated at 6,000 years by Nagoya University. Eight sites were spotted, with coral encrusted stone walls and buildings, one topped by carved turtles. The area hasn’t been above sea level in 8,000 years.
(10:00:46) (ernie) i was in oki
(10:01:01) (ernie) for a year i snorkled a lot sweet
(10:01:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They are definitely artificial, says Professor Masaaki Kimura of U. Of Ryukyus, who has studied Mu for 20 years with two books on the subject, noting that the architecture is similar to Machu Picchu and the Temple of the Sun near Trujillo, Peru.
(10:01:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) However, geologist Dr. Robert Schoch (who dived there in 1997) termed it a probable "terra formation," that is, naturally formed rock which had been worked by human hands. He visited only one of the eight sites, and not too thoroughly due to murky sea conditions. Other important ruins in the group that look more promising, Chatan and Kerama need investigation.
(10:01:37) (mark) thanks WalksInSpirit,....blessings All
(10:01:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Timely issues facing the world today are prefaced in the Churchward book series: his Cosmic Forces refers to the lurch of the pole, which caused the magnetic cataclysms as in 10,900 BC, with resultant diastrophism (crust movement), earthquakes and floods.
(10:02:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The pole’s normal oscillation becomes a hazard if it swings 23 1/2 degrees from its mean. This has happened many times in the past. Cayce warned of, "upheavals in the interior of the earth, and the shifting of same by the differentiation in the axis as respecting the positions from the Polaris center" as of 1936 (#5748-6, July 1932),
(10:02:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) backed up by the scientific evidence of anomalies in the earth’s "Chandler’s Wobble" that year, up to the present. Geologist William Hutton believes even a 9 degree sway from the axis norm would be enough to cause crustal displacement and geological events.
(10:03:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce added:
(10:03:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "When there is a shifting of the poles, in 2000 - 2001..."
(10:03:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#826-8, August 1936).
(10:03:18) (Richard) Chandlers Wobble has dissapeared.
(10:03:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hutton has recently (Nov. 2001) stated that there is a good chance the auguries have started:
(10:03:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I didn't know that, Richard
(10:04:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) higher incidence of quakes in the South Seas, activity in the Arctic and Antarctic (polar ice melting), increased volcanism in the torrid areas-all signs given by Cayce (#311-8, April, 1932 & #3976-15, January 1934).
(10:04:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The idea that atomic power is exclusive to the past 100 years, is of it in the 1,200-year-old Maha Bharata and the Ramayana, referring to a war some blasted away by the well-known accounts time before in which:
(10:04:35) (Richard) I have the report... Can I present some of it?
(10:04:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "A single projectile, with all the power of the Universe, bright as the thousand suns, an unknown weapon, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. Corpses burned as to be unrecognizable, the hair and nails fell out, the birds turned white, foodstuffs infected."
(10:05:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sure, after I finish with this text. :-)