Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 26, 2006 16:01:47 GMT -5
The Great Migration
Part Five: The Aztecs:
10-26-06
Part Five: The Aztecs:
10-26-06
(02:11:51) (Host-Blu) ok I have a little joke to share before the chat starts
(02:12:18) (Host-Blu) Have you ever telephoned a company's technical support number to get a problem solved? Well I did recently, but it didn't go very well...
(02:12:33) (Host-Blu) Ring.... Ring.... Ring.... Ring... Ring... Ring... Ring...
(02:12:37) (Host-Blu) Ring.... Ring.... Ring.... Ring... Ring... Ring... Ring...
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(02:12:42) (true_eagle) an pic a #]
(02:12:45) (Host-Blu) Ring.... Ring.... Ring.... Ring... Ring... Ring... Ring...
(02:12:53) (JohnB) hej
(02:12:56) (Lynn) typical so far
(02:12:56) (Host-Blu) Automated Answer (finally):
(02:13:03) (JohnB) Abba? Blu
(02:13:08) (Host-Blu) "Thank you for calling Technical Support."
(02:13:23) (Host-Blu) "All of our technicians are currently busy helping people even less competent than you, so please hold for the next available technician."
(02:13:35) (Host-Blu) Hold music... Hold music... Hold music... Hold music...
(02:13:39) (Host-Blu) Hold music... Hold music... Hold music... Hold music...
(02:13:42) (Host-Blu) Hold music... Hold music... Hold music... Hold music...
(02:13:46) (Host-Blu) Hold music... Hold music... Hold music... Hold music...
(02:13:49) (Lynn) never good old country music!
(02:13:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Right on, Lynn! LOL
(02:14:01) (Host-Blu) Ring... (All right! They must be transferring me...) Ring…
(02:14:13) (Host-Blu) "The waiting time is now estimated at between 15 minutes and eternity. In order to expedite your call, please punch your 63-digit product identification number onto your telephone touch pad, followed by your product serial
(02:14:30) (Host-Blu) number, which can be found in a secret compartment inside your computer where, for security purposes, it is printed in the smallest typeface known to mankind. Do it now."
(02:15:09) (Lynn) LOL bet the product serial number is in code!!!
(02:15:21) (Host-Blu) LOL
(02:15:37) (Lynn) which you have another typical wait to get translation LOL
(02:15:49) (Lynn) Then you're suicidal so they put you on hold. LOL
(02:21:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, if yall are ready, Blu will start us off with a prayer.
(02:21:56) (Host-Blu) everyone ready?
(02:22:03) (true_eagle) yepp
(02:22:11) (merlin) yes
(02:22:22) (Roz) yup
(02:22:23) (Lynn) my hands are folded
(02:22:26) (diane) yep
(02:23:16) (Host-Blu) Thank you Holy Father for all your Love. As you prepare us for our journey back to you we ask for your patience and understanding.
(02:23:32) (Host-Blu) Help us through this transition with peace and love in our hearts that we may be One with you. We ask for you love and light to surround the entire family of Silver Fox and especially her grandson Brian. Amen
(02:23:32) (Roz) Amen
(02:23:42) (true_eagle) ura...... nunwe ^i^
(02:23:45) (merlin) amen
(02:23:46) (Lynn) Amen
(02:23:48) (JohnB) aMen
(02:23:53) (diane) Amen
(02:23:59) (mark) amen
(02:24:02) (ron) amen
(02:24:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part Five: The Aztecs
(02:24:47) (true_eagle) thanks blu ..
(02:24:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Please, at any time, feel free to stop us for questions, comments, discussion points, etc. In today’s chat text, you will see some great links included. Don’t worry about trying to write them down. We will have them posted in today’s chat transcript as clickable links. These are awesome sites, and we encourage you to check them out!
(02:24:57) (Lynn) WIS ancestors?
(02:25:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Lynn!
(02:25:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) :-x
(02:25:32) (JohnB) hooo hooo=)
(02:26:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ancient Middle America - The Aztecs: www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs/anth3618/video/Ancient_Aztecs.html
(02:26:06) (Host-Blu) YW TE, I will email her later
(02:26:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Somewhere north of the Colorado River, in a mythical place of seven caves, the head priest of an Indian tribe, later known as the Aztecs, listened to a bird’s call and fancied it gave him a message. “Let us go,” he thought it was saying to him, and this message he relayed to his people.
(02:26:52) (Roz) arent most of the present population derived from the Aztecs?
(02:27:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There's the Aztecs, Maya, Inca, Olmec. I think what we see in Mexico now is a sort of blend of these people, with a few exceptions.
(02:28:09) (Roz) of Mexico that is
(02:28:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Aztecs have retained their separate tribal identity.
(02:28:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I had the opportunity to see their Fire Dancers perform on a couple of occasions. They are amazing!
(02:29:11) (Lynn) WOW!!!
(02:29:53) (Roz) are not the Aztecs holding Mexico together now?
(02:30:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'm not sure how big a foothold they have now. They suffered a big blow when Cortes came along. Their numbers went way down then.
(02:30:43) (true_eagle) i say viva la revalutation
(02:30:55) (Host-Blu) This page shows pics of the fire dancers www.tlanextli.com/
(02:31:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'd venture to say they are probably the largest Indian tribe in Mexico now, though.
(02:31:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) My People, the Comanche, are from the Uto-Aztecan group of people.
(02:32:13) (Lynn) that's why you are dark in color?
(02:32:23) (JohnB) are the aztecs from atlantis? BLu Wis
(02:32:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, prolly. :-)
(02:32:58) (Roz) they have the intrigity that many of the ones in power do not have now?
(02:33:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They are thought to be, JohnB, because their name signifies a homeland that was once in a swampy location.
(02:33:20) (Host-Blu) The Uto-Aztecan (also Uto-Aztekan) is a Native American language family. It is one of the largest (both in geographical extension and number of languages) and most well-established linguistic families of the Americas.
(02:33:23) (Roz) and it is the corruption thatis desimating the country
(02:33:35) (Host-Blu) The Uto-Aztecan languages are found from the Great Basin of the western United States (Oregon, Idaho, Utah, California, Nevada, Arizona), through Mexico. Utah is named after the indigenous Uto-Aztecan Ute people. Classical Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs, and its modern relatives are part of the Uto-Aztecan family.
(02:33:39) (true_eagle) yes roz
(02:34:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'd think so, Roz. Trouble is, again, corruption. Money, greed, prolly keeps them out of power.
(02:34:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Look at their recent election there.
(02:34:43) (Host-Blu) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uto-Aztecan there is a map on this page too
(02:34:46) (JohnB) even in sweden Roz
(02:34:53) (Lynn) ty Blu
(02:35:02) (Host-Blu) yw
(02:35:03) (true_eagle) y they need to take there country over ..
(02:35:10) (Roz) no leaders
(02:35:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep
(02:35:29) (Roz) no statesmen only politicians
(02:35:32) (true_eagle) a few greedy people r running the county
(02:35:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, seems that's a problem everywhere. :-(
(02:36:05) (Host-Blu) We always have prayer!
(02:36:20) (true_eagle) they have lots of oil.. no reason y .. that cant have a better life
(02:36:36) (Lynn) Have you ever wondered how such evil people got the karma to be rich and powerful? The whole world lieth in the lap of the wicked one, I guess.
(02:36:51) (Roz) heard yesterday of a nighmare w/ the federalies keep 4 females from the US hostage
(02:37:07) (Host-Blu) ew
(02:37:32) (true_eagle) yes an lots of killings.. near the border... drug war !
(02:37:34) (Roz) for 8 hrs wanted $500.00 to release them
(02:38:13) (Host-Blu) terrible
(02:38:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'll tell you what... my sister Joanie and her husband went to Mexico a couple of years ago on vacation and they almost did not get back into the U.S.! They detained them at the border, and they had to show every piece of I.D. they had with them, because they thought they were Mexicans trying to cross!
(02:38:34) (Lynn) Here in Arizona, border, the Mexican people are risking their lives to flee here. Then they make less than minimum wage and send money back to their families.
(02:38:47) (true_eagle) ther getting money from dog the bounty hunter .. no extradition
(02:38:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And that was in Juarez
(02:38:57) (Host-Blu) One good cussing from Joanie would have changed their minds.....;-D
(02:38:58) (Lynn) There are two sides to the issue. 1. Let them come. 2. They take our jobs
(02:39:44) (true_eagle) an suck on our system
(02:39:48) (Roz) any one w/ gomption would leave cant blam e 'em
(02:40:02) (Host-Blu) ok, let's focus on a more positive side here
(02:40:07) (true_eagle) k
(02:40:08) (Lynn) the young men die in the desert trying to get to Arizona
(02:40:11) (Lynn) ok
(02:40:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They responded willingly and prepared to start out on an adventurous journey southward, into unknown territory, where, if their priests were correctly informing them, they would find an island in a lake, and on this island an eagle sitting on a cactus plant, with a snake in his beak.
(02:40:23) (Roz) sometimes only the ones no one else will do Lynn
(02:41:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) No one knows just where “north of the Colorado River” this place of the seven caves was located. It could have been “far north” as some tales suggested, or it could have been as close as the red rock area near Kanab, Utah, where there are many immense caves –
(02:41:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) some with lakes in underground recesses – where Indians have been known to live. Smoked walls and painted handprints, as well as artifacts and corncobs, are still to be found in that area, evidently popular as a shelter during a long period of time.
(02:42:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Aztecs’ first thought, after the momentous decision was made, was of their God, Huitzilopochtli (Hummingbird Wizard), fierce-visaged and war-like. He must lead them, and in a suitable, dignified manner.
(02:42:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Work was commenced at once and a chair of rushes and reeds designed for him. With the War God seated in this chair, the Heron People, as they called themselves, would be able to undertake the long walk southward.
(02:43:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) An Edgar Cayce Reading apparently refers to these people:
(02:43:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “3,000 years before the Prince of Peace came, those peoples that were of the Lost Tribes, a portion came into the land; infusing their activities upon the peoples from Mu in the southernmost portion of that called America or United States,
(02:43:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) and then moved on to the activities in Mexico, Yucatan, centralizing that now about the spots where the central of Mexico now stands, or Mexico City. Hence there arose through the age a different civilization, a MIXTURE again.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5750-1
(02:44:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The time element is a trifle confusing, since the date of the Aztecs’ journey southward is given by some authorities as 1160 A.D. Also causing speculation is the similarity between the Aztecs and the Toltecs.
(02:44:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Both claimed to have come from Atlan, or Aztlan, “far to the north,” and both tribes spoke the common language of the Valley Of Anahuac, Nahua, or Nahuatl.
(02:44:43) (db) lost tribes exist in FLA,in some places my dad believes
(02:44:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Aztecs were Heron People; the Toltecs, Reed People, both names indicating swampy locations as some former homeland.
(02:45:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ancient Aztec, Olmec, And Meso-America: www.historylink101.com/1/aztec/ancient_aztec.htm
(02:47:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Siguenza y Gongora, a Mexican of the 17th Century, may have been correct when he made the statement that all Indians of the New World were descendants of Poseidon (ruler of Atlantis) and that Poseidon was a great grandson of Noah,
(02:48:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) though other scholars, such as Colonel Churchward, contend that the Indians were of different origins, some of the more brown-skinned people being descendants of the refugees from Lemuria.
(02:48:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Supposedly the Aztecs began their journey with seven tribes, or clan families, though the seventh tribe, the Mexicans, soon left the main body and continued thereafter by themselves. Four priests bore the platform on which the War God, Huitzilopochtli, rode at the head of the straggling column.
(02:49:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Whenever the people stopped for a rest they paid homage to the image and asked for his advice, which he is said to have conveyed to their satisfaction. These rest periods depended upon the land through which they traveled.
(02:49:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Scouts were sent ahead to choose good campsites, where crops could be planted, and having chosen a site and planted their corn, beans, squashes and other food seeds, they relaxed while the plants matured and yielded their harvest. Then, rested, and with provisions for another effort, they went on.
(02:49:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is thought that they avoided other settled peoples as much as possible, but they may have made contact with Cliff Dwellers and early Pueblo people as they drove on through New Mexico and Arizona.
(02:50:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They were in high altitudes most of the time, and gradually climbing as they entered Mexico, probably advancing along the eastern slope of the Sierra Madres, where for hundreds of miles there were pine forests to provide housing and fuel, as well as wild game.
(02:50:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The terraced gardens they planted served a good purpose in preventing erosion and bedding down millions of cones that might otherwise have been swept away by the rains.
(02:50:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When, finally, they reached the lakes “within the ring” of mountains – the great swampy, fertile Valley Of Mexico, often called Anahuac, they felt they had reached their objective.
(02:51:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But a strong tribe of Indians, called the Tepanecs, contested their right to be there and permission had to be gained before they made a campsite in what is now called Chapultepec Park.
(02:51:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A couple of centuries had elapsed since they crossed the Colorado, but they had found the Eagle, the cactus and the serpent. This was their home.
(02:51:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The coming together of two strong tribes and the ensuing difficulties are indicated in this excerpt from the Cayce Records:
(02:52:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “…we find in that period when changes took place in what is now known as Mexican country, in the subduing of the peoples as came down from the north, by those coming up from the south.
(02:52:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity among those who were put in charge of the subdued peoples, and from which arose that peoples now known as Aztec.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 345-1
(02:52:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Aztecs were a vigorous, adventuresome people, capable of adapting themselves, like those mentioned in this reading:
(02:53:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “[They, the Red Race were] able to use IN their gradual development all the forces as were manifest in their individual surroundings, passing through those periods of developments” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-3
(02:53:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is quite possible that they had clashed with other small tribes along their route, but there is no record of this. However, once they established themselves in the Valley, the young men became restless and began raiding their new neighbors and carrying off some of the prettiest maidens to become their wives.
(02:54:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In the then swampy valley there was an area shunned by most of the older settlers. This was the network of waterways now called Xochomilco. The newcomers saw the value of the so-called floating gardens and began building up these bits of real estate with mud scooped from the water’s edge,
(02:54:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) and held in place by retaining walls until tree roots and other growth stabilized these man-made islands. On these bits of land, they planted their crops and saw them grow luxuriantly on the fertile soil.
(02:54:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As the Aztecs grew stronger, three of the older settled tribes banded together to overcome them. Those captured were forced to go, as slaves, into the Culhuacan territory, while those who escaped took refuge on islands in a lake.
(02:55:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They still worshipped Huitzilopochtli, but he had ceased to be all-important, and the other tribes reviled him. The enslaved Aztecs found a chance to redeem themselves by helping their masters defeat the chief, Xochimilco, and his slaves.
(02:55:20) (Roz) New Mexico was under water for a extended time
(02:56:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep. All of that happened, and Mexico and Yucatan's shape was drastically changed during the final sinking of Atlantis.
(02:56:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They took many prisoners, the luckless ones being sacrificed to the gods of the victors.
(02:57:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) About this time, it seems, with the pride of the Aztecs restored, they began building Tenochtitlan, which is now Mexico City. They took over the heritage and some of the skill of the Toltecs, who had by that time ceased to be an important tribe, their chief having left the capital city of Tula.
(02:57:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For many years war followed war, while the founders of Tenochtitlan, the Tenochan Aztecs, were striving to build a temple city in the nature of beautiful Teotihuacan.
(02:57:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ancient Middle America - Tenochtitlan: www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs/anth3618/maaztec.html
(02:12:18) (Host-Blu) Have you ever telephoned a company's technical support number to get a problem solved? Well I did recently, but it didn't go very well...
(02:12:33) (Host-Blu) Ring.... Ring.... Ring.... Ring... Ring... Ring... Ring...
(02:12:37) (Host-Blu) Ring.... Ring.... Ring.... Ring... Ring... Ring... Ring...
(02:12:41) (Host-Blu) Ring.... Ring.... Ring.... Ring... Ring... Ring... Ring...
(02:12:42) (true_eagle) an pic a #]
(02:12:45) (Host-Blu) Ring.... Ring.... Ring.... Ring... Ring... Ring... Ring...
(02:12:53) (JohnB) hej
(02:12:56) (Lynn) typical so far
(02:12:56) (Host-Blu) Automated Answer (finally):
(02:13:03) (JohnB) Abba? Blu
(02:13:08) (Host-Blu) "Thank you for calling Technical Support."
(02:13:23) (Host-Blu) "All of our technicians are currently busy helping people even less competent than you, so please hold for the next available technician."
(02:13:35) (Host-Blu) Hold music... Hold music... Hold music... Hold music...
(02:13:39) (Host-Blu) Hold music... Hold music... Hold music... Hold music...
(02:13:42) (Host-Blu) Hold music... Hold music... Hold music... Hold music...
(02:13:46) (Host-Blu) Hold music... Hold music... Hold music... Hold music...
(02:13:49) (Lynn) never good old country music!
(02:13:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Right on, Lynn! LOL
(02:14:01) (Host-Blu) Ring... (All right! They must be transferring me...) Ring…
(02:14:13) (Host-Blu) "The waiting time is now estimated at between 15 minutes and eternity. In order to expedite your call, please punch your 63-digit product identification number onto your telephone touch pad, followed by your product serial
(02:14:30) (Host-Blu) number, which can be found in a secret compartment inside your computer where, for security purposes, it is printed in the smallest typeface known to mankind. Do it now."
(02:15:09) (Lynn) LOL bet the product serial number is in code!!!
(02:15:21) (Host-Blu) LOL
(02:15:37) (Lynn) which you have another typical wait to get translation LOL
(02:15:49) (Lynn) Then you're suicidal so they put you on hold. LOL
(02:21:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, if yall are ready, Blu will start us off with a prayer.
(02:21:56) (Host-Blu) everyone ready?
(02:22:03) (true_eagle) yepp
(02:22:11) (merlin) yes
(02:22:22) (Roz) yup
(02:22:23) (Lynn) my hands are folded
(02:22:26) (diane) yep
(02:23:16) (Host-Blu) Thank you Holy Father for all your Love. As you prepare us for our journey back to you we ask for your patience and understanding.
(02:23:32) (Host-Blu) Help us through this transition with peace and love in our hearts that we may be One with you. We ask for you love and light to surround the entire family of Silver Fox and especially her grandson Brian. Amen
(02:23:32) (Roz) Amen
(02:23:42) (true_eagle) ura...... nunwe ^i^
(02:23:45) (merlin) amen
(02:23:46) (Lynn) Amen
(02:23:48) (JohnB) aMen
(02:23:53) (diane) Amen
(02:23:59) (mark) amen
(02:24:02) (ron) amen
(02:24:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part Five: The Aztecs
(02:24:47) (true_eagle) thanks blu ..
(02:24:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Please, at any time, feel free to stop us for questions, comments, discussion points, etc. In today’s chat text, you will see some great links included. Don’t worry about trying to write them down. We will have them posted in today’s chat transcript as clickable links. These are awesome sites, and we encourage you to check them out!
(02:24:57) (Lynn) WIS ancestors?
(02:25:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Lynn!
(02:25:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) :-x
(02:25:32) (JohnB) hooo hooo=)
(02:26:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ancient Middle America - The Aztecs: www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs/anth3618/video/Ancient_Aztecs.html
(02:26:06) (Host-Blu) YW TE, I will email her later
(02:26:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Somewhere north of the Colorado River, in a mythical place of seven caves, the head priest of an Indian tribe, later known as the Aztecs, listened to a bird’s call and fancied it gave him a message. “Let us go,” he thought it was saying to him, and this message he relayed to his people.
(02:26:52) (Roz) arent most of the present population derived from the Aztecs?
(02:27:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There's the Aztecs, Maya, Inca, Olmec. I think what we see in Mexico now is a sort of blend of these people, with a few exceptions.
(02:28:09) (Roz) of Mexico that is
(02:28:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Aztecs have retained their separate tribal identity.
(02:28:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I had the opportunity to see their Fire Dancers perform on a couple of occasions. They are amazing!
(02:29:11) (Lynn) WOW!!!
(02:29:53) (Roz) are not the Aztecs holding Mexico together now?
(02:30:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'm not sure how big a foothold they have now. They suffered a big blow when Cortes came along. Their numbers went way down then.
(02:30:43) (true_eagle) i say viva la revalutation
(02:30:55) (Host-Blu) This page shows pics of the fire dancers www.tlanextli.com/
(02:31:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'd venture to say they are probably the largest Indian tribe in Mexico now, though.
(02:31:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) My People, the Comanche, are from the Uto-Aztecan group of people.
(02:32:13) (Lynn) that's why you are dark in color?
(02:32:23) (JohnB) are the aztecs from atlantis? BLu Wis
(02:32:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, prolly. :-)
(02:32:58) (Roz) they have the intrigity that many of the ones in power do not have now?
(02:33:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They are thought to be, JohnB, because their name signifies a homeland that was once in a swampy location.
(02:33:20) (Host-Blu) The Uto-Aztecan (also Uto-Aztekan) is a Native American language family. It is one of the largest (both in geographical extension and number of languages) and most well-established linguistic families of the Americas.
(02:33:23) (Roz) and it is the corruption thatis desimating the country
(02:33:35) (Host-Blu) The Uto-Aztecan languages are found from the Great Basin of the western United States (Oregon, Idaho, Utah, California, Nevada, Arizona), through Mexico. Utah is named after the indigenous Uto-Aztecan Ute people. Classical Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs, and its modern relatives are part of the Uto-Aztecan family.
(02:33:39) (true_eagle) yes roz
(02:34:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'd think so, Roz. Trouble is, again, corruption. Money, greed, prolly keeps them out of power.
(02:34:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Look at their recent election there.
(02:34:43) (Host-Blu) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uto-Aztecan there is a map on this page too
(02:34:46) (JohnB) even in sweden Roz
(02:34:53) (Lynn) ty Blu
(02:35:02) (Host-Blu) yw
(02:35:03) (true_eagle) y they need to take there country over ..
(02:35:10) (Roz) no leaders
(02:35:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep
(02:35:29) (Roz) no statesmen only politicians
(02:35:32) (true_eagle) a few greedy people r running the county
(02:35:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, seems that's a problem everywhere. :-(
(02:36:05) (Host-Blu) We always have prayer!
(02:36:20) (true_eagle) they have lots of oil.. no reason y .. that cant have a better life
(02:36:36) (Lynn) Have you ever wondered how such evil people got the karma to be rich and powerful? The whole world lieth in the lap of the wicked one, I guess.
(02:36:51) (Roz) heard yesterday of a nighmare w/ the federalies keep 4 females from the US hostage
(02:37:07) (Host-Blu) ew
(02:37:32) (true_eagle) yes an lots of killings.. near the border... drug war !
(02:37:34) (Roz) for 8 hrs wanted $500.00 to release them
(02:38:13) (Host-Blu) terrible
(02:38:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'll tell you what... my sister Joanie and her husband went to Mexico a couple of years ago on vacation and they almost did not get back into the U.S.! They detained them at the border, and they had to show every piece of I.D. they had with them, because they thought they were Mexicans trying to cross!
(02:38:34) (Lynn) Here in Arizona, border, the Mexican people are risking their lives to flee here. Then they make less than minimum wage and send money back to their families.
(02:38:47) (true_eagle) ther getting money from dog the bounty hunter .. no extradition
(02:38:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And that was in Juarez
(02:38:57) (Host-Blu) One good cussing from Joanie would have changed their minds.....;-D
(02:38:58) (Lynn) There are two sides to the issue. 1. Let them come. 2. They take our jobs
(02:39:44) (true_eagle) an suck on our system
(02:39:48) (Roz) any one w/ gomption would leave cant blam e 'em
(02:40:02) (Host-Blu) ok, let's focus on a more positive side here
(02:40:07) (true_eagle) k
(02:40:08) (Lynn) the young men die in the desert trying to get to Arizona
(02:40:11) (Lynn) ok
(02:40:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They responded willingly and prepared to start out on an adventurous journey southward, into unknown territory, where, if their priests were correctly informing them, they would find an island in a lake, and on this island an eagle sitting on a cactus plant, with a snake in his beak.
(02:40:23) (Roz) sometimes only the ones no one else will do Lynn
(02:41:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) No one knows just where “north of the Colorado River” this place of the seven caves was located. It could have been “far north” as some tales suggested, or it could have been as close as the red rock area near Kanab, Utah, where there are many immense caves –
(02:41:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) some with lakes in underground recesses – where Indians have been known to live. Smoked walls and painted handprints, as well as artifacts and corncobs, are still to be found in that area, evidently popular as a shelter during a long period of time.
(02:42:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Aztecs’ first thought, after the momentous decision was made, was of their God, Huitzilopochtli (Hummingbird Wizard), fierce-visaged and war-like. He must lead them, and in a suitable, dignified manner.
(02:42:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Work was commenced at once and a chair of rushes and reeds designed for him. With the War God seated in this chair, the Heron People, as they called themselves, would be able to undertake the long walk southward.
(02:43:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) An Edgar Cayce Reading apparently refers to these people:
(02:43:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “3,000 years before the Prince of Peace came, those peoples that were of the Lost Tribes, a portion came into the land; infusing their activities upon the peoples from Mu in the southernmost portion of that called America or United States,
(02:43:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) and then moved on to the activities in Mexico, Yucatan, centralizing that now about the spots where the central of Mexico now stands, or Mexico City. Hence there arose through the age a different civilization, a MIXTURE again.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5750-1
(02:44:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The time element is a trifle confusing, since the date of the Aztecs’ journey southward is given by some authorities as 1160 A.D. Also causing speculation is the similarity between the Aztecs and the Toltecs.
(02:44:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Both claimed to have come from Atlan, or Aztlan, “far to the north,” and both tribes spoke the common language of the Valley Of Anahuac, Nahua, or Nahuatl.
(02:44:43) (db) lost tribes exist in FLA,in some places my dad believes
(02:44:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Aztecs were Heron People; the Toltecs, Reed People, both names indicating swampy locations as some former homeland.
(02:45:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ancient Aztec, Olmec, And Meso-America: www.historylink101.com/1/aztec/ancient_aztec.htm
(02:47:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Siguenza y Gongora, a Mexican of the 17th Century, may have been correct when he made the statement that all Indians of the New World were descendants of Poseidon (ruler of Atlantis) and that Poseidon was a great grandson of Noah,
(02:48:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) though other scholars, such as Colonel Churchward, contend that the Indians were of different origins, some of the more brown-skinned people being descendants of the refugees from Lemuria.
(02:48:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Supposedly the Aztecs began their journey with seven tribes, or clan families, though the seventh tribe, the Mexicans, soon left the main body and continued thereafter by themselves. Four priests bore the platform on which the War God, Huitzilopochtli, rode at the head of the straggling column.
(02:49:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Whenever the people stopped for a rest they paid homage to the image and asked for his advice, which he is said to have conveyed to their satisfaction. These rest periods depended upon the land through which they traveled.
(02:49:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Scouts were sent ahead to choose good campsites, where crops could be planted, and having chosen a site and planted their corn, beans, squashes and other food seeds, they relaxed while the plants matured and yielded their harvest. Then, rested, and with provisions for another effort, they went on.
(02:49:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is thought that they avoided other settled peoples as much as possible, but they may have made contact with Cliff Dwellers and early Pueblo people as they drove on through New Mexico and Arizona.
(02:50:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They were in high altitudes most of the time, and gradually climbing as they entered Mexico, probably advancing along the eastern slope of the Sierra Madres, where for hundreds of miles there were pine forests to provide housing and fuel, as well as wild game.
(02:50:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The terraced gardens they planted served a good purpose in preventing erosion and bedding down millions of cones that might otherwise have been swept away by the rains.
(02:50:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When, finally, they reached the lakes “within the ring” of mountains – the great swampy, fertile Valley Of Mexico, often called Anahuac, they felt they had reached their objective.
(02:51:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But a strong tribe of Indians, called the Tepanecs, contested their right to be there and permission had to be gained before they made a campsite in what is now called Chapultepec Park.
(02:51:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A couple of centuries had elapsed since they crossed the Colorado, but they had found the Eagle, the cactus and the serpent. This was their home.
(02:51:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The coming together of two strong tribes and the ensuing difficulties are indicated in this excerpt from the Cayce Records:
(02:52:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “…we find in that period when changes took place in what is now known as Mexican country, in the subduing of the peoples as came down from the north, by those coming up from the south.
(02:52:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity among those who were put in charge of the subdued peoples, and from which arose that peoples now known as Aztec.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 345-1
(02:52:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Aztecs were a vigorous, adventuresome people, capable of adapting themselves, like those mentioned in this reading:
(02:53:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “[They, the Red Race were] able to use IN their gradual development all the forces as were manifest in their individual surroundings, passing through those periods of developments” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-3
(02:53:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is quite possible that they had clashed with other small tribes along their route, but there is no record of this. However, once they established themselves in the Valley, the young men became restless and began raiding their new neighbors and carrying off some of the prettiest maidens to become their wives.
(02:54:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In the then swampy valley there was an area shunned by most of the older settlers. This was the network of waterways now called Xochomilco. The newcomers saw the value of the so-called floating gardens and began building up these bits of real estate with mud scooped from the water’s edge,
(02:54:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) and held in place by retaining walls until tree roots and other growth stabilized these man-made islands. On these bits of land, they planted their crops and saw them grow luxuriantly on the fertile soil.
(02:54:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As the Aztecs grew stronger, three of the older settled tribes banded together to overcome them. Those captured were forced to go, as slaves, into the Culhuacan territory, while those who escaped took refuge on islands in a lake.
(02:55:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They still worshipped Huitzilopochtli, but he had ceased to be all-important, and the other tribes reviled him. The enslaved Aztecs found a chance to redeem themselves by helping their masters defeat the chief, Xochimilco, and his slaves.
(02:55:20) (Roz) New Mexico was under water for a extended time
(02:56:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep. All of that happened, and Mexico and Yucatan's shape was drastically changed during the final sinking of Atlantis.
(02:56:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They took many prisoners, the luckless ones being sacrificed to the gods of the victors.
(02:57:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) About this time, it seems, with the pride of the Aztecs restored, they began building Tenochtitlan, which is now Mexico City. They took over the heritage and some of the skill of the Toltecs, who had by that time ceased to be an important tribe, their chief having left the capital city of Tula.
(02:57:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For many years war followed war, while the founders of Tenochtitlan, the Tenochan Aztecs, were striving to build a temple city in the nature of beautiful Teotihuacan.
(02:57:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ancient Middle America - Tenochtitlan: www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs/anth3618/maaztec.html