Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 17, 2006 15:30:35 GMT -5
Part One: Peruvian Pioneers: 08-17-06
(02:11:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Mike, would you like to lead us in prayer?
(02:12:08) (tru_eagle) yes ///
(02:12:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thanks Buddy
(02:13:07) (tru_eagle) our father in heven .. thak u 4 all your blessings . an bringing us to gether . in you name we pray .....
(02:13:10) (tru_eagle) AMEN
(02:13:17) (Lory) Amen
(02:13:18) (Lynn) amen
(02:13:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(02:13:20) (ron) amen
(02:13:25) (diane) amen
(02:13:32) (Host-Blu) Amen
(02:13:40) (Roz) Amen
(02:14:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Today, we'll start the series "The Great Migration" by Vada F. Carlson. For the past couple of weeks, we have been looking at Col. Churchward's discoveries, which have laid a good foundation for us to build on.
(02:15:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Great Migration
(02:15:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (If yall have any questions, comments, or points to discuss, please feel free to stop me at any time.)
(02:15:51) (diane) ty
(02:16:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part One: Peruvian Pioneers
(02:16:05) (Host-Blu) but don't expect great answers!
(02:16:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Written in 1970)
(02:16:31) (Lynn) just the usual, splashes from the fountain of wisdom, Blu
(02:16:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) What information we have on the pre-Inca residence of Peru, their progress and their conflicts with peoples of other races, has been in large part derived from the scores of life readings given by Edgar Cayce while in self-imposed trance.
(02:16:39) (Host-Blu) OK
(02:16:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The men and women who came to him seeking enlightenment regarding past incarnations, hoping there by to gain better understanding of their attitudes, motivations and objectives, became unsuspecting instruments of this unusual revelation. Their questions triggered and unexpected and fascinating out pouring, focused on a long-vanished era.
(02:17:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Scoffed at by many as figments of the imagination, the lost of Lemuria and Atlantis begin to assume importance and to emerge as realities. The submergence of Mu in the Pacific and Atlantis in the Atlantic, and the migrations caused by these ancient cataclysms of fire and flood, took on scope and form.
(02:17:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Unfortunately populations took few of their records with them while making their escape to the nearest habitable dry land which, run both east and west, was that of the Americas, North, South, and Central.
(02:18:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A Cayce reading tells us that Lemurians - the brown race - were the first of the great horde of strangers to reach Peru. This information came as the result of a question concerning the appearance of the earth's surface at the time of the highest civilization on Atlantis. The answer in part, was this:
(02:18:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Then, with that portion, THEN the South Pacific, or Lemuria [?], began its disappearance - even before Atlantis, for the changes were brought about in the latter portion of that period, or what would be termed ten thousand seven hundred
(10,700) light years, or earth years, or present setting of those, as set by Amilius [?] - or Adam.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-4
(02:19:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Colonel James Churchward's the story of the Lemurians, "The Lost Continent of Mu", the continent was a large one in the Pacific. There were, he writes, four great cataclysms, the first taking place in the Miocene era, about 800,000 years ago, the second and less violent one occurring about 2000,000 years ago, and the greatest about 80,000 ago.
(02:19:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The fourth, and final one, was the catastrophe of 12,000 years ago, that sent Mu and millions of her people to the depths in a "vortex of fire and water".
(02:19:56) (Host-Blu) Can you imagine that?
(02:19:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This great disaster evidently also affected the continent of south America.
(02:19:59) (Host-Blu) Horrible
(02:20:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the days of the peoples coming from the waters in the submerged areas of the Southern portion as is now of Peru, when the earth was divided, and the people began to inhabit the earth again.
(02:20:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One entity among those who succeeded in gaining the higher grounds, and then in the name of (which was changed afterwards) Omrui, and changed to Mosases, for the entity became the ruler and the guide, or the patriarch of that age and gave much assistance to the few as was gathered about the entity.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 470-2
(02:21:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another reading the continues the migration of the people of Mu to Peru, telling us that during pre- Inca times the Peruvian area was the only large portion of south America above water. It was inhabited by a brown - skinned tribe called the Ohlms or Ohums. They were of Lemurian origin, having evidently been settled there for some time.
(02:21:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They had come into the high Peruvian country from the south to escape the inundation there. The land they occupied was known variously as Az, Og and On. Here they set up their communities, built their homes and their magnificent temples of Mu, patterned after those they had left in their disintegrating homeland.
(02:21:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The readings say these people were "Priests and Priestesses, teachers, preachers, workers and shirkers."
(02:22:05) (Lynn) Ohm? names Ohlms or Ohums. OhM. wondering
(02:22:21) (Host-Blu) right connection Lynn
(02:22:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Ohlms or Ohums who may have been branches of the same tribe, are often mentioned in relation to past lives of persons for whom Edgar Cayce gave past life readings. Three such references follow:
(02:22:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Here we find the entity AMONG those of the Ohums, and the entity heading much of those portions as dealt with the developments of the cults, as were called, in establishing home, in establishing estates, in establishing the various portions of the land, in its relationships one to another.” - Edgar Cayce Reading 2364-1
(02:23:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land now known as Peru. The entity was then among the Ohums [?] [Aymaras?] [See 4/29/77 GD's note in 4292-1 Reports re prehistoric Aymaran Indians of Peru.] that gave much to the peoples of that day in the way of converting the elements of earth to the use of man.
(02:23:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hence jewelry, precious stones, and those things that GLITTER attract unusually the entity in THIS present experience; yet the HOARDING of same is ABHORRENT to something the entity seems unable to locate in self.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2731-1
(02:23:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity then among those that were the leaders of Ohums [?] [Aymaras?] when there was the breaking up of the deeps, and the lands disappeared and re-appeared.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2365-2
(02:24:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Lemurians, it seems, were a peaceful people, who, before their mother land was destroyed, had established many colonies in Upper Egypt. Those who eventually settled in Peru were skilled jewelers and goldsmiths, who fashioned objects of rare beauty in their new home.
(02:24:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They also excelled in music, art, the braiding of strands of beads, and many other skills. According to the reading these skills were carried over from age to age to the present time.
(02:25:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before THIS we find that the entity was among those in the Peruvian country, when the Aymaras [?] were in charge of the rule as pertaining to religious rites, and the entity the was the Priestess to the High Aymara [?], in the name of Ultjdhimpds.
(02:25:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity then gained much, yet there were those conditions that were ever as burdens to the entity. The urge now, as is seen in the entity from this, is love of music, of art, of art treasures of every thing pertaining, especially, to braided or beaded works. For the entity was in that position as of the GIVER of these to all peoples.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2486-1
(02:25:47) (Host-Blu) wonderful people
(02:25:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Religion was of primary impotence to the displaced Lemurians. They had enjoyed an advanced form of civilization, complete with great cities and impressive temples. Many of them had a thorough understanding of man's relation to the universe, or so it would seem. Monarchs of the Ohms were called High Ohlms, and at least one of these exalted rulers was a woman.
(02:25:57) (Roz) saw Peruvian gold works displayed at worlds fair spectactiar
(02:26:09) (Host-Blu) Wow Roz
(02:26:17) (Host-Blu) bet that is a direct link to Mu
(02:26:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Wow! I bet they were beautiful!
(02:26:29) (Roz) betcah
(02:26:39) (Host-Blu) wonder if there is a web site to see it?
(02:26:44) (Roz) very large display
(02:27:20) (diane) how fortunate you were able to see it!
(02:27:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land known now as the Peruvian, during the period of the Ohums [Ohms - Ohums?? Aymaras] - before the Incals and the peoples of the Poseidian land entered.
(02:27:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was then a priestess in this land, and a ruler - or a co-ruler with those who made insurrections, and those who later brought much persecution on the peoples through the furnishing of that for the gratifying of selfish interests; yet the entity high in mind, high in development.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1916-5
(02:28:16) (Roz) I thot so diane
(02:28:46) (diane) lucky dog! lol
(02:29:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'd love to see that! I bet it's awesome! One thing that I thought of when they mentioned the jewelry making in here was the Navajo & Hopis. I bet there is a link there as well.
(02:29:42) (Host-Blu) What year was that Roz?
(02:30:02) (Roz) I've slept since then Blu LOL
(02:30:11) (Host-Blu) LOL
(02:30:41) (ron) would you say that the crafts seem to be linked from both Central and North American-native peoples?
(02:31:07) (Lory) We all just do not tell our ages, especially in a round about way, Blu. Love you Roz.
(02:31:10) (Host-Blu) It seems so according to the readings
(02:31:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Some of the American Indian tribes, yes, Ron.
(02:32:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One of those insurrections resulted in the setting up of new democratic principles of self-government, and although it also brought about pain, blood shed and suffering for a time, it marked the beginning of an improved social-economic system.
(02:32:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This new regime was to have a far reaching and significant influence on future systems of government through out the world. Indeed, the sleeping Cayce said:
(02:32:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity gave the peoples those principles of self-government that have gone to the best rule through many, many ages.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2801-5
(02:33:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There were still castes and classes among the Ohlms, but the insurrections brought about a just division of wealth among the people. However, of one person it was said:
(02:33:12) (Host-Blu) I want you all to pay attention to this war stuff, I think it's all happening again here with the same factors at play
(02:33:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity established much of help and assistance to the peoples in that period, giving much understanding of division in a proper manner among the workers and the shirkers, among the well and the ill, the strong and the weak.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 4349-1
(02:33:38) (Lory) We never learn, Blu. History has a way of repeating itself.
(02:33:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not all of the Ohlms agreed with their leaders and their progressive ideas; even as today there were dissenters.
(02:34:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “But in the Peruvian land, before that, we find the entity was overzealous because of others that had a WAY! The entity considered self and not the general welfare of the peoples as a whole.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 949-11
(02:34:30) (Roz) if ya dont learn froomhistory you are destinied to repeat it
(02:34:31) (Host-Blu) right there, self in the way as ever
(02:34:41) (Host-Blu) sad but true Roz
(02:34:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the Peruvian forces, when the Ohlms [Ohms? Ohums?] were in that [Aymaras] country, giving then the development of the laws as pertain to sacrifice. The entity then in the Temple of Mu and giving the sacrificial service over which the Priest of Ohlm gave the first of sacrifice as offered by man which partook not only of the highest as was received, but of the best.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2698-1
(02:35:14) (Host-Blu) tithing
(02:35:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Apparently the first sacrifices were of fruits and flowers, but after the development of explosives, in clearing the earth of mammoth animals, there was a change of practice.
(02:35:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Then, with these destructive forces, we find the first turning of the altar fires into that of sacrifice of those that were taken in the various ways, and human sacrifice began. With this also came the first egress of peoples to that of the Pyrenees first, OF which later we find that peoples who enter into the black or the mixed peoples, in what later became the Egyptian dynasty.
(02:35:48) (ron) life is cyclic...true...but i my thinking things are getting better regardless...by cyclic i mean in the form of a spiral...a gradual improvement for those that have studied and can see
(02:35:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We also find that entering into Og, or those peoples that later became the beginning of the Inca, or Ohum [Aymara'?], that builded the walls across the mountains in this period, through those same usages of that as had been taken on by those peoples; and with the same, those that made for that in the other land, became first those of the mound dwellers, or peoples in that land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-4
(02:36:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) An interesting feature of Colonel Churchward's work is that it, too, he claimed was largely the result of clairvoyant research. By means of maps showing the gradual changes of the earth because of successive catastrophes, he hoped to prove that migrations of ancient peoples could not be realistically established or harmonized with the configuration of the earth as it is today.
(02:37:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Except for the big island that Plato called Poseidonis, and Edgar Cayce called Poseidia, all that remained of the once great cotenant of Atlantis - according to Churchward - was destroyed when the third great catastrophe struck. The end for Poseidia came after the submergence of Mu.
(02:37:46) (Host-Blu) Please note that even though they came to similar conclusions, Cayce and Churchward did not know of each other, even though they lived in the same time.
(02:38:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The fugitives from Mu that had hardly settled into their new situation in Peru before continued earth quakes and eruptions brought a flood of Atlanteans westward to South and Central America.
(02:38:21) (Lory) But they got their information from different sources, Blu.
(02:38:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yes ma'am
(02:38:40) (Host-Blu) They were both psychic Lory
(02:38:57) (Lory) Understand. That is why I agree.
(02:39:07) (Host-Blu) Edgar came to it through his higher self, and I would guess so did Churchward
(02:39:38) (Lory) Cayce also used the Akashic Records. Churchward didn't did he?
(02:39:45) (Host-Blu) But it is interesting to note that this information was being found, which means it was intended to be brought to light for a reason
(02:39:57) (Lory) Oh indeed.
(02:40:13) (ron) personal research as well...right?
(02:40:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward used sources, such as Madame Blvatsky and several other psychics of the day - except Cayce.
(02:40:42) (Host-Blu) I don't think we can assume how he did (Churchward) as his readings? or information was not as well documented by a secretary or someone like that. As far as I know.
(02:40:46) (Lory) Interesting.
(02:40:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Ron. He also did personal research as well.
(02:41:23) (Host-Blu) He was actually in South American doing the physical work of looking at the area
(02:41:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He went on into the South Pacific as well
(02:42:00) (Lory) Which actually attested his findings.
(02:42:08) (Host-Blu) yes
(02:42:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yes ma'am! :-)
(02:42:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Meanwhile, changes were taking place in Peru, with lands sinking and others - like the Andes mountains - being pushed upward. The Cayce readings note these changes.
(02:43:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that period when there were changes being wrought in the land now known as Peru. The entity then among those that were in power just before the conquest, or the entering in of those that conquered or brought havoc to the peoples of that land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 114-1
(02:43:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The origin of the new comers is specifically noted in the following:
(02:43:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land now known as the Peruvian land, and in the days of the Ohms [Aymaras?] when there were the coming in of the peoples from the Poseidan land, and from the Eizen [?] land. The entity was then among those that were of the priestesses of the land.
(02:43:41) (Host-Blu) Two separate men, doing two totally different kinds of work finding similar results is a great confirmation!
(02:43:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity lost through a greater portion of this experience in making for hardships to those who came, as it were, seeking for aid and succor as the lands they left were being destroyed. In the name Zuze.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 404-1
(02:44:21) (Host-Blu) Zues?
(02:45:04) (diane) hmmm. close
(02:45:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Atlanteans brought with them the great power, destructive when wrongly used. Developed to rid the Atlantean continent of the huge beasts that had threatened to over run the earth , it was now harnessed and used for the building of great stone walls ( reading 364-4) and possibly for the erection of cities such as Tiahuanaco, Sacsahuaman, and others lying in jumbled heaps of gigantic stones.
(02:45:11) (Host-Blu) reminds me of the greek god, Zeus
(02:45:19) (diane) right Blu
(02:45:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One satisfying feature of the Cayce readings on Atlantis and the migrations of it's people, is that questions long unanswered by scientific research are considered. In many instances the readings corroborate points never before definitely established, though postulated by geology and archeology.
(02:46:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At times, however, information in the readings is found to be diametrically opposed to current belief. It is evident that time, research and new discoveries will be needed to prove the validity of some of the information received.
(02:46:19) (Lory) The Grecians had their psychics, too.
(02:46:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Sons of Belial are blamed for many of the troubles in the Americas.
(02:46:40) (diane) oracle of delphi
(02:46:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, I forgot about that.
(02:47:12) (Host-Blu) I believe Zeus may have been one of the early Atlanteans who was an androgynous being who later succumbed to the sexual division that came to the Atlanteans
(02:47:35) (diane) oracles were high on some gaseous fumes, i heard
(02:47:43) (Host-Blu) Zeus, I keep spelling it wrong
(02:47:46) (Lory) Is this the first and last we have heard of Zues?
(02:48:10) (Lory) Zuse?
(02:48:12) (Host-Blu) in this reading yes Lory, and the name is different, I am just guessing
(02:48:23) (Lory) Ah, I see.
(02:48:35) (Host-Blu) connecting the dots
(02:12:08) (tru_eagle) yes ///
(02:12:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thanks Buddy
(02:13:07) (tru_eagle) our father in heven .. thak u 4 all your blessings . an bringing us to gether . in you name we pray .....
(02:13:10) (tru_eagle) AMEN
(02:13:17) (Lory) Amen
(02:13:18) (Lynn) amen
(02:13:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(02:13:20) (ron) amen
(02:13:25) (diane) amen
(02:13:32) (Host-Blu) Amen
(02:13:40) (Roz) Amen
(02:14:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Today, we'll start the series "The Great Migration" by Vada F. Carlson. For the past couple of weeks, we have been looking at Col. Churchward's discoveries, which have laid a good foundation for us to build on.
(02:15:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Great Migration
(02:15:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (If yall have any questions, comments, or points to discuss, please feel free to stop me at any time.)
(02:15:51) (diane) ty
(02:16:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part One: Peruvian Pioneers
(02:16:05) (Host-Blu) but don't expect great answers!
(02:16:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Written in 1970)
(02:16:31) (Lynn) just the usual, splashes from the fountain of wisdom, Blu
(02:16:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) What information we have on the pre-Inca residence of Peru, their progress and their conflicts with peoples of other races, has been in large part derived from the scores of life readings given by Edgar Cayce while in self-imposed trance.
(02:16:39) (Host-Blu) OK
(02:16:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The men and women who came to him seeking enlightenment regarding past incarnations, hoping there by to gain better understanding of their attitudes, motivations and objectives, became unsuspecting instruments of this unusual revelation. Their questions triggered and unexpected and fascinating out pouring, focused on a long-vanished era.
(02:17:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Scoffed at by many as figments of the imagination, the lost of Lemuria and Atlantis begin to assume importance and to emerge as realities. The submergence of Mu in the Pacific and Atlantis in the Atlantic, and the migrations caused by these ancient cataclysms of fire and flood, took on scope and form.
(02:17:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Unfortunately populations took few of their records with them while making their escape to the nearest habitable dry land which, run both east and west, was that of the Americas, North, South, and Central.
(02:18:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A Cayce reading tells us that Lemurians - the brown race - were the first of the great horde of strangers to reach Peru. This information came as the result of a question concerning the appearance of the earth's surface at the time of the highest civilization on Atlantis. The answer in part, was this:
(02:18:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Then, with that portion, THEN the South Pacific, or Lemuria [?], began its disappearance - even before Atlantis, for the changes were brought about in the latter portion of that period, or what would be termed ten thousand seven hundred
(10,700) light years, or earth years, or present setting of those, as set by Amilius [?] - or Adam.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-4
(02:19:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Colonel James Churchward's the story of the Lemurians, "The Lost Continent of Mu", the continent was a large one in the Pacific. There were, he writes, four great cataclysms, the first taking place in the Miocene era, about 800,000 years ago, the second and less violent one occurring about 2000,000 years ago, and the greatest about 80,000 ago.
(02:19:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The fourth, and final one, was the catastrophe of 12,000 years ago, that sent Mu and millions of her people to the depths in a "vortex of fire and water".
(02:19:56) (Host-Blu) Can you imagine that?
(02:19:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This great disaster evidently also affected the continent of south America.
(02:19:59) (Host-Blu) Horrible
(02:20:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the days of the peoples coming from the waters in the submerged areas of the Southern portion as is now of Peru, when the earth was divided, and the people began to inhabit the earth again.
(02:20:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One entity among those who succeeded in gaining the higher grounds, and then in the name of (which was changed afterwards) Omrui, and changed to Mosases, for the entity became the ruler and the guide, or the patriarch of that age and gave much assistance to the few as was gathered about the entity.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 470-2
(02:21:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another reading the continues the migration of the people of Mu to Peru, telling us that during pre- Inca times the Peruvian area was the only large portion of south America above water. It was inhabited by a brown - skinned tribe called the Ohlms or Ohums. They were of Lemurian origin, having evidently been settled there for some time.
(02:21:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They had come into the high Peruvian country from the south to escape the inundation there. The land they occupied was known variously as Az, Og and On. Here they set up their communities, built their homes and their magnificent temples of Mu, patterned after those they had left in their disintegrating homeland.
(02:21:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The readings say these people were "Priests and Priestesses, teachers, preachers, workers and shirkers."
(02:22:05) (Lynn) Ohm? names Ohlms or Ohums. OhM. wondering
(02:22:21) (Host-Blu) right connection Lynn
(02:22:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Ohlms or Ohums who may have been branches of the same tribe, are often mentioned in relation to past lives of persons for whom Edgar Cayce gave past life readings. Three such references follow:
(02:22:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Here we find the entity AMONG those of the Ohums, and the entity heading much of those portions as dealt with the developments of the cults, as were called, in establishing home, in establishing estates, in establishing the various portions of the land, in its relationships one to another.” - Edgar Cayce Reading 2364-1
(02:23:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land now known as Peru. The entity was then among the Ohums [?] [Aymaras?] [See 4/29/77 GD's note in 4292-1 Reports re prehistoric Aymaran Indians of Peru.] that gave much to the peoples of that day in the way of converting the elements of earth to the use of man.
(02:23:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hence jewelry, precious stones, and those things that GLITTER attract unusually the entity in THIS present experience; yet the HOARDING of same is ABHORRENT to something the entity seems unable to locate in self.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2731-1
(02:23:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity then among those that were the leaders of Ohums [?] [Aymaras?] when there was the breaking up of the deeps, and the lands disappeared and re-appeared.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2365-2
(02:24:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Lemurians, it seems, were a peaceful people, who, before their mother land was destroyed, had established many colonies in Upper Egypt. Those who eventually settled in Peru were skilled jewelers and goldsmiths, who fashioned objects of rare beauty in their new home.
(02:24:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They also excelled in music, art, the braiding of strands of beads, and many other skills. According to the reading these skills were carried over from age to age to the present time.
(02:25:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before THIS we find that the entity was among those in the Peruvian country, when the Aymaras [?] were in charge of the rule as pertaining to religious rites, and the entity the was the Priestess to the High Aymara [?], in the name of Ultjdhimpds.
(02:25:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity then gained much, yet there were those conditions that were ever as burdens to the entity. The urge now, as is seen in the entity from this, is love of music, of art, of art treasures of every thing pertaining, especially, to braided or beaded works. For the entity was in that position as of the GIVER of these to all peoples.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2486-1
(02:25:47) (Host-Blu) wonderful people
(02:25:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Religion was of primary impotence to the displaced Lemurians. They had enjoyed an advanced form of civilization, complete with great cities and impressive temples. Many of them had a thorough understanding of man's relation to the universe, or so it would seem. Monarchs of the Ohms were called High Ohlms, and at least one of these exalted rulers was a woman.
(02:25:57) (Roz) saw Peruvian gold works displayed at worlds fair spectactiar
(02:26:09) (Host-Blu) Wow Roz
(02:26:17) (Host-Blu) bet that is a direct link to Mu
(02:26:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Wow! I bet they were beautiful!
(02:26:29) (Roz) betcah
(02:26:39) (Host-Blu) wonder if there is a web site to see it?
(02:26:44) (Roz) very large display
(02:27:20) (diane) how fortunate you were able to see it!
(02:27:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land known now as the Peruvian, during the period of the Ohums [Ohms - Ohums?? Aymaras] - before the Incals and the peoples of the Poseidian land entered.
(02:27:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was then a priestess in this land, and a ruler - or a co-ruler with those who made insurrections, and those who later brought much persecution on the peoples through the furnishing of that for the gratifying of selfish interests; yet the entity high in mind, high in development.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1916-5
(02:28:16) (Roz) I thot so diane
(02:28:46) (diane) lucky dog! lol
(02:29:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'd love to see that! I bet it's awesome! One thing that I thought of when they mentioned the jewelry making in here was the Navajo & Hopis. I bet there is a link there as well.
(02:29:42) (Host-Blu) What year was that Roz?
(02:30:02) (Roz) I've slept since then Blu LOL
(02:30:11) (Host-Blu) LOL
(02:30:41) (ron) would you say that the crafts seem to be linked from both Central and North American-native peoples?
(02:31:07) (Lory) We all just do not tell our ages, especially in a round about way, Blu. Love you Roz.
(02:31:10) (Host-Blu) It seems so according to the readings
(02:31:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Some of the American Indian tribes, yes, Ron.
(02:32:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One of those insurrections resulted in the setting up of new democratic principles of self-government, and although it also brought about pain, blood shed and suffering for a time, it marked the beginning of an improved social-economic system.
(02:32:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This new regime was to have a far reaching and significant influence on future systems of government through out the world. Indeed, the sleeping Cayce said:
(02:32:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity gave the peoples those principles of self-government that have gone to the best rule through many, many ages.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2801-5
(02:33:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There were still castes and classes among the Ohlms, but the insurrections brought about a just division of wealth among the people. However, of one person it was said:
(02:33:12) (Host-Blu) I want you all to pay attention to this war stuff, I think it's all happening again here with the same factors at play
(02:33:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity established much of help and assistance to the peoples in that period, giving much understanding of division in a proper manner among the workers and the shirkers, among the well and the ill, the strong and the weak.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 4349-1
(02:33:38) (Lory) We never learn, Blu. History has a way of repeating itself.
(02:33:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not all of the Ohlms agreed with their leaders and their progressive ideas; even as today there were dissenters.
(02:34:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “But in the Peruvian land, before that, we find the entity was overzealous because of others that had a WAY! The entity considered self and not the general welfare of the peoples as a whole.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 949-11
(02:34:30) (Roz) if ya dont learn froomhistory you are destinied to repeat it
(02:34:31) (Host-Blu) right there, self in the way as ever
(02:34:41) (Host-Blu) sad but true Roz
(02:34:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the Peruvian forces, when the Ohlms [Ohms? Ohums?] were in that [Aymaras] country, giving then the development of the laws as pertain to sacrifice. The entity then in the Temple of Mu and giving the sacrificial service over which the Priest of Ohlm gave the first of sacrifice as offered by man which partook not only of the highest as was received, but of the best.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2698-1
(02:35:14) (Host-Blu) tithing
(02:35:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Apparently the first sacrifices were of fruits and flowers, but after the development of explosives, in clearing the earth of mammoth animals, there was a change of practice.
(02:35:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Then, with these destructive forces, we find the first turning of the altar fires into that of sacrifice of those that were taken in the various ways, and human sacrifice began. With this also came the first egress of peoples to that of the Pyrenees first, OF which later we find that peoples who enter into the black or the mixed peoples, in what later became the Egyptian dynasty.
(02:35:48) (ron) life is cyclic...true...but i my thinking things are getting better regardless...by cyclic i mean in the form of a spiral...a gradual improvement for those that have studied and can see
(02:35:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We also find that entering into Og, or those peoples that later became the beginning of the Inca, or Ohum [Aymara'?], that builded the walls across the mountains in this period, through those same usages of that as had been taken on by those peoples; and with the same, those that made for that in the other land, became first those of the mound dwellers, or peoples in that land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 364-4
(02:36:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) An interesting feature of Colonel Churchward's work is that it, too, he claimed was largely the result of clairvoyant research. By means of maps showing the gradual changes of the earth because of successive catastrophes, he hoped to prove that migrations of ancient peoples could not be realistically established or harmonized with the configuration of the earth as it is today.
(02:37:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Except for the big island that Plato called Poseidonis, and Edgar Cayce called Poseidia, all that remained of the once great cotenant of Atlantis - according to Churchward - was destroyed when the third great catastrophe struck. The end for Poseidia came after the submergence of Mu.
(02:37:46) (Host-Blu) Please note that even though they came to similar conclusions, Cayce and Churchward did not know of each other, even though they lived in the same time.
(02:38:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The fugitives from Mu that had hardly settled into their new situation in Peru before continued earth quakes and eruptions brought a flood of Atlanteans westward to South and Central America.
(02:38:21) (Lory) But they got their information from different sources, Blu.
(02:38:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yes ma'am
(02:38:40) (Host-Blu) They were both psychic Lory
(02:38:57) (Lory) Understand. That is why I agree.
(02:39:07) (Host-Blu) Edgar came to it through his higher self, and I would guess so did Churchward
(02:39:38) (Lory) Cayce also used the Akashic Records. Churchward didn't did he?
(02:39:45) (Host-Blu) But it is interesting to note that this information was being found, which means it was intended to be brought to light for a reason
(02:39:57) (Lory) Oh indeed.
(02:40:13) (ron) personal research as well...right?
(02:40:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward used sources, such as Madame Blvatsky and several other psychics of the day - except Cayce.
(02:40:42) (Host-Blu) I don't think we can assume how he did (Churchward) as his readings? or information was not as well documented by a secretary or someone like that. As far as I know.
(02:40:46) (Lory) Interesting.
(02:40:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Ron. He also did personal research as well.
(02:41:23) (Host-Blu) He was actually in South American doing the physical work of looking at the area
(02:41:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He went on into the South Pacific as well
(02:42:00) (Lory) Which actually attested his findings.
(02:42:08) (Host-Blu) yes
(02:42:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yes ma'am! :-)
(02:42:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Meanwhile, changes were taking place in Peru, with lands sinking and others - like the Andes mountains - being pushed upward. The Cayce readings note these changes.
(02:43:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that period when there were changes being wrought in the land now known as Peru. The entity then among those that were in power just before the conquest, or the entering in of those that conquered or brought havoc to the peoples of that land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 114-1
(02:43:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The origin of the new comers is specifically noted in the following:
(02:43:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in that land now known as the Peruvian land, and in the days of the Ohms [Aymaras?] when there were the coming in of the peoples from the Poseidan land, and from the Eizen [?] land. The entity was then among those that were of the priestesses of the land.
(02:43:41) (Host-Blu) Two separate men, doing two totally different kinds of work finding similar results is a great confirmation!
(02:43:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity lost through a greater portion of this experience in making for hardships to those who came, as it were, seeking for aid and succor as the lands they left were being destroyed. In the name Zuze.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 404-1
(02:44:21) (Host-Blu) Zues?
(02:45:04) (diane) hmmm. close
(02:45:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Atlanteans brought with them the great power, destructive when wrongly used. Developed to rid the Atlantean continent of the huge beasts that had threatened to over run the earth , it was now harnessed and used for the building of great stone walls ( reading 364-4) and possibly for the erection of cities such as Tiahuanaco, Sacsahuaman, and others lying in jumbled heaps of gigantic stones.
(02:45:11) (Host-Blu) reminds me of the greek god, Zeus
(02:45:19) (diane) right Blu
(02:45:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One satisfying feature of the Cayce readings on Atlantis and the migrations of it's people, is that questions long unanswered by scientific research are considered. In many instances the readings corroborate points never before definitely established, though postulated by geology and archeology.
(02:46:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At times, however, information in the readings is found to be diametrically opposed to current belief. It is evident that time, research and new discoveries will be needed to prove the validity of some of the information received.
(02:46:19) (Lory) The Grecians had their psychics, too.
(02:46:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Sons of Belial are blamed for many of the troubles in the Americas.
(02:46:40) (diane) oracle of delphi
(02:46:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, I forgot about that.
(02:47:12) (Host-Blu) I believe Zeus may have been one of the early Atlanteans who was an androgynous being who later succumbed to the sexual division that came to the Atlanteans
(02:47:35) (diane) oracles were high on some gaseous fumes, i heard
(02:47:43) (Host-Blu) Zeus, I keep spelling it wrong
(02:47:46) (Lory) Is this the first and last we have heard of Zues?
(02:48:10) (Lory) Zuse?
(02:48:12) (Host-Blu) in this reading yes Lory, and the name is different, I am just guessing
(02:48:23) (Lory) Ah, I see.
(02:48:35) (Host-Blu) connecting the dots