Wednesday Night Chat: 09-19-07

[WalksInSpirit]

Wednesday Night Chat: 09-19-07

[21:11] <Cris> Ron I am looking forward to tonight.

[21:11] <patricia> yes, ron, don't let us hold you up if you are ready

[21:12] <ron1> Thanks cris...I will try do do a few different things...end up with those esoteric sign interpretations

[21:12] <ron1> I should wait until half past in case we might get a few more people

[21:12] <patricia> sounds interesting ron

[21:13] <patricia> okay, let's wait a few more minutes

[21:13] <patricia> sometimes i get tied up around here and i hate to come in late, but it happens

[21:18] <ron1> I'll start now...

[21:18] <patricia> well i am interested

[21:18] <ron1> THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH: Keep the pineal gland operating and you won't grow old - you will always be young! 294-141

[21:19] <ron1> So, the fountain of youth is not found in Florida :)

[21:19] <patricia> lol i like that one

[21:19] <ron1> PINEAL GLAND: THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH

[21:19] <Cris> I need that!

[21:19] <ron1> (Q) Please discuss in detail the functions of the pineal gland.

[21:20] <ron1> (A) If this is discussed from the anatomical viewpoint, in the fetus as is begun in first of gestation, we find this may be termed as the Builder.

[21:22] <ron1> As is seen, the location of same is in the beginning in that of the center or the nucleus about which all of the matter takes its first form, and becomes the brain as is guiding or directing the building of the body as its development in the womb takes place.

[21:22] <patricia> ron, is the pineal gland the sixth or the seventh chakra?

[21:23] <ron1> 6th...the Christ center/ruled by Mercury...the pituitary is between the eyes, known as the father center...ruled by Jupiter

[21:23] <patricia> ron, is he saying that the brain forms from the pineal gland?

[21:23] <patricia> okay thank you

[21:25] <ron1> the pineal is the Christ mind...symbolized by Mercury...which also rules the mind in astrology...this is the center of memory, the Christ mind...and mind is the builder...builllding the body...

[21:25] <patricia> or does it act in the place of the brain until the brain forms and is able to function on it's own?

[21:25] <ron1> again---

[21:25] <ron1> As is seen, the location of same is in the beginning in that of the center or the nucleus about which all of the matter takes its first form, and becomes the brain as is guiding or directing the building of the body as its development in the womb takes place.

[21:26] <ron1> ok?

[21:26] <ron1> . As it then reaches from the umbilical cord to the brain, there is builded that as is centered about same by the physical attributes of that progenerated from those bringing such an action into being.

[21:26] <patricia> okay. i read that, but don't understand that

[21:27] <ron1> When there has reached that stage when there is the separation of same, the cord then being broken, this forms then its own basis in the lower portion of the brain, or cerebellum, and through the medulla oblongata to the central portion of the cerebro-spinal cord itself is held intact,

[21:27] <Cris> It is the first gland to form

[21:27] <Cris> That was a question

[21:27] <ron1> I would say so...

[21:28] <ron1> "from which all matter takes first form'

[21:28] <Wanda> So is it then considered part of the brain as we are now?

[21:28] <ron1> 'becomes the brain'

[21:28] <ron1> yes wanda

[21:29] <ron1> the pineal is around the center of the brain

[21:29] <ron1> and slightly above the pituitary

[21:29] <ron1> and, by the way, is the only perfectly working spiritual center in the body

[21:30] <ron1> and with the removal of same, or pressure on same, the various forms of hallucinations are evident, whether in the developing stage or when it has reached the elderly or older years in an experience. Its functioning, then, is as that, of that, which makes for - or known as - the impulse or imaginative body.

[21:31] <ron1> Hence one that may be called demented by others, who has hallucinations from a pressure in some portions, may be visioning that which to him is as real (though others may call him crazy)

[21:31] <ron1> as to those who are supposed to have an even balance of their senses; which [such visioning?] has been formed by the circulation, or the activity of the gland - as it is called - in its incipiency, until it becomes - or is - as a mass without apparent functioning.

[21:32] <ron1> If the imaginative body, or the trained body (as is called in a material world) is, trained constantly away FROM the activities of same, it - in natural consequence of things in physical being - draws, as it were, within self. Hence senility sets in. Keep the pineal gland operating and you won't grow old - you will always be young!

[21:32] <ron1> In this activity, then, as is seen, there is within the genital organs the activity through that as may be called the lyden gland, [Leydig] which has within itself that closed door, or open door, as makes for activity through that to the base of the brain, or the PINEAL gland - as is at the base of the brain itself -

[21:33] <ron1> which opens up for its activities and associations to those other portions of the brain; that sends out its sensations either through the sensory organism or the sympathetic organism, or the purely physical organism.

[21:33] <ron1> For they may all act upon, or BE acted upon, for they are a portion of, and kindred of - (now remember, we are speaking from the physical standpoint, or pathological standpoint!) - and are the active forces and active principles in the activities and repulsions, or the actions, of individuals!

[21:34] <ron1> As these are the activities that come directly from the organs of reproduction, hence, we find many instances where psychic forces or developments of the individuals, or of an entity, these become abused - or are used in a way and manner as to bring about abuses that make for degenerate reactions, as is considered by individuals, in their various forms or activities to the moral forces as may be set by individuals;

[21:34] <ron1> but are to the individual the activities of a nature that is an action of, or an impulse of, the organs or functionings that are active through the functioning of the gland itself!

[21:35] <ron1> phew...wiping forehead over here...

[21:35] <patricia> :o)

[21:35] <ron1> Hence we have the variations in functionings of same. Now, as these are turned - or there is the seed, or that within same that may be awakened that makes for those impulses known as attributes that may be added to, that makes for the spiritual life first in that of faith as an opening, that of hope, then to virtue, then to knowledge,

[21:36] <ron1> then to brotherly love, then to understanding, then to the Christ Consciousness, then to LOVE itself - which was manifest in the body of the Virgin that brought into being that through the concept of, or the conception through the Holy Spirit,

[21:36] <ron1> by raising that consciousness within same as to PRODUCE that within the organs of the body itself that BECAME, as it were, the begotten of the Father! 294-141

[21:36] <patricia> so if we keep our pineal gland in good shape then knowledge is the reward? I like that

[21:37] <ron1> well I don't know about you but that was a bit too much for me...:)

[21:37] <Wanda> glad I don't have to take a test on all of this. I got lost in there somewhere

[21:37] <ron1> Practice the Fruits of the Spirit and your pineal will remain an active little tidbit all of your life...

[21:38] <ron1> Here is a change of subject

[21:38] <ron1> when completed I will go back to astrology

[21:38] <ron1> WHICH PLANE DO YOU GO TO AFTER DEATH?

[21:39] <ron1> The Kingdom of heaven is within you, said Jesus. Your body is a temple for the Spirit of God. On this earth plane, a person is influenced by their flesh and, in many ways, the influence of the flesh determines a person's level of spiritual development. According to Cayce and the Eastern religions, within your body are seven spiritual centers.

[21:39] <ron1> Through these spiritual centers, our spiritual force finds a means of expression. Our bodies are like a miniature solar system with our hearts performing the function of the sun, the center of the system.

[21:40] <ron1> The seven spiritual centers are the seven endocrine glands which are the Pituitary gland (the "third eye"), the Pineal gland, the Thyroid, the Thymus, the Adrenal glands, the Lyden gland, and finally the sexual gland (the testes or ovaries).

[21:40] <ron1> These glands are known by science to be the emotional and motivational centers of the body. They act especially in responses to the imaginative forces of the mind. For example, when you get angry, the Adrenals secrete. The activity of the sexual glands is directly related to sexual motivation.

[21:41] <ron1> Science knows that the Pituitary is the master gland of the body. It's secretions have a direct and coordinating effect on all the other glands. According to Cayce and the Eastern religions, each spiritual center is connected to a different plane of spiritual consciousness. The lowest spiritual center, the sexual glands, is influenced by the lowest plane of consciousness.

[21:41] <ron1> The Pituitary gland is influenced by the highest plane of consciousness. The plane of consciousness one travels to upon death is generally determined by the spiritual center that has the greater influence in a person's life.

[21:42] <ron1> The following is a chart showing how these spiritual centers and the planes of consciousness go together. It begins with the highest level of consciousness and ends with the lowest level.

[21:42] <ron1> JUPITER - the plane of Strength - Pituitary gland - 7 dimensions

[21:42] <ron1> MERCURY - the plane of Mind - Pineal gland - 2 dimensions

[21:42] <ron1> URANUS - the plane of Psyche - Thyroid gland - 8 dimensions

[21:43] <ron1> VENUS - the plane of Love - Thymus gland - 4 dimensions

[21:43] <ron1> MARS - the plane of Anger - Adrenal glands - 5 dimensions

[21:43] <ron1> NEPTUNE - the plane of Mysticism - Lyden gland - 6 dimensions

[21:43] <ron1> SATURN - the plane of Woes - Sex glands - 1 dimension

[21:44] <ron1> The energy of the sexual glands, THE GONADS, used wholly on the sexual level and without control, may bring sexual perversions and unbridled sensuality. If this spiritual center is the most influential in a person's life, at death the spirit may travel to the corresponding spiritual plane of Saturn, the plane of Woes, according to Cayce.

[21:44] <ron1> The LYDEN gland, located above the sexual gland, is the starting point of the soul's activity. It is the door through which the soul may go on to higher planes of consciousness. The corresponding spiritual plane for this spiritual center is the plane of Neptune, the plane of Mysticism.

[21:45] <ron1> The ADRENAL glands are located above the kidneys. We are actively aware of this center in times of stress, when it pours adrenalin into the blood stream to aid us in fighting or fleeing. The Adrenals are also the storehouse of our emotional karma according to Cayce.

[21:45] <ron1> From this center comes the negative energy of anger and hatred. If this spiritual center is the most influential spiritual center before death, the spirit may travel to the corresponding plane of Mars, the plane of Anger.

[21:45] <ron1> The THYMUS gland is found behind the heart in the solar plexus area of the chest. Since the Thymus is related to the heart it is associated with love. Love opens all doors. At this center, love is awakened, bringing with it consideration, unselfishness, sincerity and honesty. It's corresponding plane is Venus, the plane of Love.

[21:46] <ron1> The THYROID, located in the throat, is related to will-power. From the misuse of the will for selfish and domineering ends, may come the condition known as hyper-thyroidism. When little effort is made to the will at all, the opposite may occur, an imbalance known as hypo-thyroidism.

[21:46] <ron1> It is worthy of note that in some cases where there has been a growth on the Thyroid, a degree of clairvoyance or telepathy has developed. The energy released upon the Thyroid opens the door into the psychic realms of consciousness, the plane of Uranus, the plane of the Psyche.

[21:47] <ron1> The PINEAL gland is situated a little above the Pituitary and is the "Mind of Christ" center. When this center has been truly awakened, one may experience spiritual holy communion.

[21:47] <ron1> It is at this center that the mind of the soul meets the HOLY SPIRIT. This center, when stimulated daily through meditation, can bring seership or prophecy. It's corresponding plane of consciousness is the plane of Mercury, the plane of Mind.

[21:48] <ron1> The PITUITARY is the master gland of the body. It is situated between and behind the eyes in the brain, acting as the "third eye" of ancient mysticism.

[21:48] <ron1> It is through the Pituitary, the highest spiritual center, that ultimate awakening comes. It is through the energy of the Pituitary that one may enter the very presence of God through meditation and prayer. It's corresponding spiritual plane is Jupiter, the plane of Strength.

[21:49] <ron1> The Kingdom of heaven is truly within us and our bodies are temples for the Holy Spirit. We seek God and His Kingdom by looking within ourselves. Through meditation and prayer, one can unlock the doors to the many dimensions, the many mansions, of God's Kingdom. But the door must first be unlocked here on this earth plane, the plane of the flesh.

[21:49] <ron1> In interpreting the Book of Revelation in the Bible, Cayce made some astonishing statements. In the beginning chapters in Revelation, John sees a vision of a book with seven seals. This book symbolizes John's body with the seven spiritual centers. In the vision, John weeps as he realizes that no one in heaven or earth is worthy to open the seals of the book.

[21:50] <ron1> However, there appears a Lamb, the Christ, with seven eyes, who opens the seven seals one by one. This sequence of events in the vision is extremely important and instructive for us in the initial stages of our awakening.

[21:50] <ron1> The awareness that no one is worthy enough to open these seals except Christ, should indicate to us that no attempt to open these centers, whether by drugs, hypnosis, breathing exercises, or other specialized meditation or inner awareness techniques, should be made unless the seeker has firmly set his spiritual ideals and is so directed by the spirit within.

[21:51] <ron1> The seven eyes of the Lamb symbolize the seven spiritual centers. They are the organs of perception through which we may become aware of other planes and dimensions in the same way that our commonly known five senses are organs of perception of our earth experience.

[21:52] <ron1> Although we have learned to think of God as One or Triune, the Revelation speaks repeatedly of the seven spirits of God.

[21:52] <ron1> This expression suggests seven different functions of the Divine Spirit. Thus we, as children of God made in His image, contain within us the corresponding spiritual sensory centers, which give us the potential of becoming aware of the seven aspects of the Divine.

[21:52] <ron1> The body is the temple of the living God both as the place where we may meet Him and as an instrument of awareness through which we may attune to Him. As an instrument for attunement, the endocrine glands serve as points of contact between the Spirit and the body.

[21:53] <ron1> These centers are the transformers of the One Force of Spirit into physical consciousness and manifestation. The functioning of these centers is, in turn, dependent primarily upon the quality of motivation or ideal chosen and dwelt upon by the imaginative forces of the mind.

[21:53] <ron1> this is all for this subject...will continue next week

[21:53] <ron1> EACH SOUL, INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY, FINDS THESE FACTS EXISTENT:

[21:54] <ron1> this is the name of the next chapter

[21:54] <ron1> We can go to the signs now...

[21:55] <ron1> What sign do you want to do first?

[21:55] <ron1> Capricorn for pat...

[21:55] <ron1> wanda?

[21:56] <Wanda> I am Capricorn

[21:56] <Cris> Capricorn

[21:56] <ron1> If I had a steady crowd, I would have you do your own interpretations using your own charts...but doing so on a lite level...just to see how astrology works

[21:56] <Wanda> We all 4 are capricorn?

[21:56] <ron1> ok

[21:57] <Cris> No I'm Cancer

[21:57] <ron1> I will do Capricorn first, then followup with Aries...eventually going around the wheel

[21:57] <Wanda> okay, Cris. That is what I thought

[21:57] <patricia> okay

[21:57] <ron1> weekly*

[21:57] <ron1> amazing 4 capricorns here...

[21:57] <Wanda> just 3

[21:58] <patricia> well three out of four ain't bad

[21:58] <patricia> cancer... good mothering instincts.

[21:58] <ron1> ok cris

[21:58] <ron1> Cancer, missed that

[21:59] <ron1> CAPRICORN - ‘CAPRICORN GUARDS THE SECRET OF THE SOUL ITSELF THE “SECRET OF THE HIDDEN GLORY"

[21:59] <ron1> THE DISCIPLE INITIATE

[21:59] <ron1> The energies streaming forth from the constellation Capricorn express a crystallization process carrying the seeds of death, that give way to life through the initiation process. An earth sign, Capricorn produces the densest point of concrete materialization the human soul is capable of.

[22:00] <ron1> death, of past earthly experience

[22:00] <ron1> of=or*

[22:00] <ron1> It is the crystallization of this materialism that eventually reaches a "hardness" that shatters and is destroyed. Because of this fundamentally materialistic nature, the Capricornian eventually brings about their own destruction —

[22:01] <ron1> at least of their material life — and awakens to the higher frequency of spirit and the nonform. Initiation is the result of this process, and the goat on the mountaintop represents this.

[22:01] <ron1> In Capricorn the will nature arrives at fulfillment as a visioned goal is reached. The one born in Capricorn reaches either the height of personal ambition or becomes the initiate, attaining their spiritual objective.

[22:02] <ron1> Capricorn is also known as the 'upper gate'...and is location in the natural wheel is at the top of the chart...thus, symbolizism is indicated

[22:03] <ron1> is=its*

[22:03] <ron1> In Capricorn the will nature arrives at fulfillment as a visioned goal is reached. The one born in Capricorn reaches either the height of personal ambition or becomes the initiate, attaining their spiritual objective.

[22:03] <ron1> The difference between these two goals depends upon the mode of progression around the wheel of life. The disciple initiate incarnates upon the reversed wheel.

[22:04] <ron1> the 'reversed wheel' means that one has decided to use 'will' to overcome

[22:04] <ron1> thus reversing the wheel of life

[22:05] <ron1> The mountaintop experience associated with Capricorn can also represent a new cycle of effort. Effort, strain, struggle, and any strenuous conditions entailed by the tests of discipleship or initiation — these are distinctive of experience in Capricorn.

[22:05] <ron1> . It is a sign of testing and proving oneself as Capricorn, along with Aries and Taurus, are the great transformers, acting as catalysts. Each of them opens a door into one of the three divine centres of expression symbolic of the three higher centres in humankind: the head, the heart and the throat.

[22:06] <ron1> The polar opposite to Capricorn is Cancer and these two signs are the two great gates of the zodiac — Cancer opens the door into incarnation and human experience, while Capricorn opens the door into the life of the spirit and the Kingdom of God.

[22:06] <ron1> Cancer admits the soul into the group of Humanity, as all souls take their very first human incarnation in this sign. Capricorn is regarded as another door and is called esoterically the "doorway into life of those who know not death," or those who will no longer incarnate.

[22:07] <ron1> Capricorn admits the soul into conscious participation in the Life of that world centre which we call the Hierarchy. It is said, Capricorn guards the Secret of the Soul Itself, the Secret of the Hidden Glory.

[22:07] <ron1> Some astrologers assign Saturn as one of the rulers of Capricorn, although it may be more accurate to address the Saturnian influence of Capricorn in those who have not yet taken initiation. The density and crystallisation process Capricorn signifies can certainly be said to be Saturnian qualities.

[22:08] <ron1> However, on the reversed wheel, the Saturn influence exhausts itself in Capricorn and the initiate is then free from karma and stands free, a true Master Mason, and can proceed with world service undeterred by any thought of self or selfish desire.

[22:08] <ron1> At that point, Uranus is the ruler of Capricorn. This influence will focus and develop the will nature as the initiate develops into a leader, bringing about desired changes enabling the soul of humanity to express itself more freely.

[22:09] <ron1> Capricorn can express all the worst of which a person is capable, and all the best. It is a sign of extremes — all world Saviours are born in Capricorn — but also the very worst type of person — hard, materialistic, cruel, proud, selfishly ambitious and egoistic.

[22:09] <ron1> The head rules the heart in such cases, whereas in the perfect example of the influences of Capricorn, head and heart are perfectly balanced.

[22:09] <ron1> In Capricorn we have the triumph of matter; it reaches its densest and most concrete expression; but this triumph is followed by that of spirit. There is full expression of the earthly nature in Capricorn, but also immense spiritual possibilities.

[22:10] <ron1> Capricorn rules the knees and this is symbolically true, for only when true humility is mastered can the disciple be permitted to pass through the door of initiation and be entrusted with the secrets of life.

[22:10] <Moira_> thats true its an either or situation

[22:10] <ron1> Only on our knees can we go through that door. When the person born in Capricorn can kneel in spirit and in truth, they are ready for the initiatory process upon the mountaintop.

[22:11] <ron1> Mars is exalted in Capricorn, while the power of the moon is lessened, and Jupiter and Neptune both fall. Mars is the god of war and in this earthly sign Mars triumphs in the early stages of undeveloped lives.

[22:11] <ron1> Materialism, the fight for the satisfaction of personal ambitions, and the conflict with higher spiritual tendencies go steadily forward, and this most material of all the signs is the battleground between the old ways and habits, and the new and higher inclinations and tendencies.

[22:11] <patricia> ron, what does it mean when you say that Mars is exalted in Capricorn?

[22:13] <ron1> It means that astrology have found affinity between planet and sign...

[22:13] <patricia> ahhh thank you

[22:13] <ron1> I don't remember all the planetary Falls, Exaltations, Dignities, etc...

[22:14] <ron1> A planet is dignified when in its own sign of rulership

[22:14] <ron1> for example

[22:14] <patricia> okay, makes sense

[22:15] <ron1> If you find Mars in the sign of Aries, it is dignified because Mars is the ruler of the sign Aries...another example

[22:15] <patricia> Capricorn is ruled by saturn tho isn't it?

[22:15] <ron1> if you find Juppiter in the sign of Sagittarius, this is another dignified location cause Jupiter has rulership of Sagittarius

[22:16] <ron1> Yes, Saturn has rulership in Capricorn...theMoon has rulership in Cancer

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[22:16] <ron1> Mercury is dignified in Gemini

[22:16] <ron1> Venus has rulership in Taurus

[22:17] <ron1> etc etc

[22:17] <patricia> okay, thanks

[22:17] <ron1> I hope to go into some lite interpreetations having others look up the meanings that I give and put together their own conclusions and see if they can relate to their own charts, doing the work themselves

[22:18] <ron1> But as evolution proceeds, the power of the moon, which is the symbol and ruler of form, grows less and less, and the disciple upon the reversed wheel steadily frees themselves from the control of matter as the lure of all that is material wanes increasingly. Jupiter, which has been the ruler of Pisces and also of Aquarius, falls in this sign.

[22:18] <ron1> Standing for the highest expression of love and selflessness, Jupiter reaches its lowest point of realization in the dense materialism of Capricorn; this is what the "fall" represents. Later as the person evolves, transmuting personal desire to love of others, it is their lower nature that "falls."

[22:19] <ron1> December, or Capricorn, is also associated with the birth of the Christ in the cave of the heart (the dense point of earth, or matter). As one awakens to this point of awareness, however dimly, the initiation process has begun and will eventually culminate in the great transformative sign of Capricorn.

[22:19] <ron1> December/January

[22:19] <ron1> I'm a January 16th kid

[22:20] <ron1> Capricorn ~ Guards the secret of the soul itself, and this it reveals to the initiate at the time of the third initiation. This is sometimes called the "Secret of the Hidden Glory."

[22:20] <patricia> December 31st here

[22:20] <ron1> END

[22:20] <ron1> Is there another sign choice?

[22:20] <Cris> Thanks Ron

[22:20] <Cris> Pat you were almosta New Year Baby!

[22:21] <patricia> yep

[22:22] <ron1> You guys have enough, or would you like to choose another sign?

[22:22] <Cris> This is interesting

[22:22] <patricia> yes, i find it very interesting.

[22:25] <Cris> Ron I do have a question about that. Do creative persuits enhance the pineal gland?

[22:26] <patricia> yes, what Cris said

[22:29] <ron1> mabel, what is your astro sign?

[22:29] <mabel> i'm an arie

[22:29] <mabel> s

[22:29] <ron1> ok...I'll do Aries now

[22:29] <mabel> th pisces rising

[22:29] <ron1> Just for you...

[22:29] <mabel> wow thanks ron-you are so kind

[22:30] <mabel> but first let me get a bag for my head!!

[22:30] <ron1> ARIES - "I COME FORTH AND FROM THE PLANE OF MIND, I RULE"

[22:30] <ron1> INTRODUCTION TO OUR 12 ZODIACAL DEITIES

[22:31] <ron1> We live in a swirling sea of magnetic forces, smaller fields contained within even greater fields, expanding throughout infinity. As our understanding increases, a new picture of the universe emerges — one of vast cosmic interdependence and connectedness.

[22:31] <ron1> From first cosmic dawning to the last electron's feeble light, the whole universe is a complex of coils within coils, spirals within spirals, magnetic fields within magnetic fields.

[22:31] <ron1> The stars are interconnected with each other, exchanging particles and gases constantly, all flowing along magnetic field lines which are the arteries of the galactic body. The galaxy's coiled field lines diverge into intergalactic space where they ultimately connect to other galaxies.

[22:31] <patricia> a bag?

[22:32] <ron1> Do these tendrils of energy act as the nervous system of the universe, relaying information from star to star, galaxy to galaxy, on and on? One can only wonder.

[22:32] <mabel> to cover up my red face

[22:32] <ron1> Zodiacal Deities examines the conditioning effects upon humanity by the specialized and quite unique energies of the star groups comprising the zodiac. We hold these star groups to be conscious, living entities in whose greater bodies we reside.

[22:33] <ron1> Traditionally the zodiac is described as the imaginary path of the sun through the heavens. This path "exists" only from our earth's perspective.

[22:33] <ron1> If you were observing the path of our sun from another planet or body in space, our sun would appear to "be traveling through" different constellations at different times of the year, to be on an entirely different path through the heavens.

[22:34] <ron1> This path is largely an illusion but at the same time the 12 zodiacal constellations do exist as great beings, and the streams of energy which pass and repass, intermingle and interlock throughout space are by no means illusions. They express eternal cosmic relationships.

[22:34] <ron1> The science of astrology is a study of the interlocking forces of all the 12 constellations as they pour into and through all the kingdoms in nature, carrying with them also their own individual qualities as well as those of the seven rays, focused through the sacred and non-sacred planets of our solar system —

[22:34] <ron1> the discovered and undiscovered planetary Lives. The vision of these powers and their many weaving lines, seen as rivers and streams of light, is given to the initiate from the mountaintop of Capricorn, once that summit is reached.

[22:35] <ron1> As the various energies and forces circulate throughout the etheric body of our solar system — itself a Great Being — their effects depend on the state of the planetary centers, and upon the point of unfoldment of the centres within the individual planets themselves.

[22:35] <ron1> Those great zodiacal entities who qualify life as we know it imprint their frequencies or harmonic resonance on the various vehicles that comprise a human being.

[22:35] <ron1> ARIES: Aries is called the Light of Life Itself. "It is the 'searchlight of the Logos, seeking that which can be used' for divine expression." (1) The secret of Aries is the secret of beginnings, of cycles and of emerging opportunity. It is a sign of commencement.

[22:36] <ron1> Symbolized by the Ram, Aries is the first sign of the zodiac and begins the cycle around the great wheel. This is the constellation used to stream the first ray of Will or Power to the planet.

[22:36] <ron1> Aries expresses will or power through the creative process and "awakens the will to reach the lowest and there control, to know the uttermost and thus to face all experience." (2) This sign is connected to the vibratory activity of the soul under impulse from the monad, and as such, is the sign the initial idea to initiate activity takes form, initiating the cycle of manifestation.

[22:37] <ron1> All souls enter into human incarnation for the first time in the sign of Cancer, having emerged as mental entities in Aries, as emotional-desire entities in Taurus and as vital entities in Gemini, taking a physical form in Cancer.

[22:38] <ron1> Aries represents the "birthplace of divine Ideas." (3) A powerful mental sign, Aries is a sign of beginnings — the beginning of the creative process, the first step of the soul towards incarnation, the beginning of cycles of experience, the beginning of the cycle when the soul enters upon spiritual regeneration and initiation.

[22:38] <ron1> Aries is one of four signs in the zodiac which are signs of birth. It is also considered a sign of consummation and one of three death signs.

[22:39] <ron1> FOUR KEYNOTES OF THE SIGN ARIES:

[22:39] <ron1> 1. Express the will to be and do.

[22:39] <ron1> 2. Unfold the power to manifest.

[22:39] <ron1> 3. Enter into battle for the Lord.

[22:39] <ron1> 4. Arrive at unity through effort.

[22:39] <ron1> It is said that another keynote of the sign Aries is hope.

[22:40] <ron1> As far as humanity is concerned, the first great cosmic initiation is initiation into incarnation. Aries initiates this process of the "most ancient initiation."

[22:40] <ron1> (4) In its lowest manifestation, Aries is the creator of activities, conditions and processes leading to the manifestation of soul in form, and later in the life of the disciple, the higher creative undertakings which lead to spirit coming fully through the soul. These processes eventually demonstrate the true nature of the triplicity:

[22:41] <ron1> Life — Quality — Appearance.

[22:41] <ron1> A fire sign, Aries is a constellation of the Cardinal Cross, the cross of God, the Father, and the incarnating monad. Aries provides our solar system with electric fire and the dynamic nature of God, whose qualities grant a fostering and nourishing heat, as well as a fire that burns and destroys.

[22:42] <ron1> There are three death signs that demonstrate the first ray destroyer aspect: Aries, Scorpio and Pisces.

[22:42] <ron1> These signs bring about "three needed and determined deaths" (5) in the human cycle. Energies pouring through them initiate a crystallizing process and the eventual destruction of some type of form. Each death sign is found in a different cross: Aries on the Cardinal Cross, Scorpio the Fixed Cross and Pisces is on the Mutable Cross.

[22:42] <ron1> At different junctures on the Path, Aries forces the soul on to the fiery burning ground to initiate a purification process. Scorpio eventually brings the death of the personality, symbolized by burial in the earth. Pisces brings forth death of all the influences of the form and represents death by water.

[22:43] <ron1> "The fire blazed forth and through that fire I died to life and so was born to death. And then again I died to form." (Aries).

[22:43] <ron1> "The heat of earth, the fiery temper of the mother, destroyed the form, released the soul and so the lesser self was killed." (Scorpio).

[22:43] <ron1> "The waters drowned the man. The fish was made to disappear. It then appeared again only to die or else to die and bring salvation." (Pisces). (6)

[22:44] <ron1> Symbolically speaking we have death through fire, death through earth and death through water — burning, suffocation and drowning. The three deaths release the soul into the three great planetary centers of Humanity, the Hierarchy and Shamballa.

[22:44] <ron1> 1. The death by drowning or by water releases a being into the center called Humanity, where experience is gained.

[22:44] <ron1> 2. The death by suffocation in Scorpio releases one into the Hierarchy

[22:44] <ron1> 3. The death by fire or burning in Aries releases the disciple into Shamballa.

[22:45] <ron1> This wasn't exactly what you were expecting was it, mabel

[22:45] <ron1> next time more regarding the personality analysis

[22:45] <mabel> not at all ron i need to study this

[22:46] <ron1> There is a lot more left to do...should I continue next time...what do you guys wish...its almost top of the hour

[22:46] <ron1> whatever you guys wish

[22:46] <Cris> Your call Ron

[22:47] <ron1> there is about 15-20 more minutes

[22:47] <patricia> I can't stay up too much later. Work tomorrow, but if everyone wants to go on, i will too

[22:47] <patricia> I don't want to miss anything

[22:47] <mabel> me either patricia

[22:47] <ron1> should I mabel?

[22:47] <ron1> ok

[22:48] <mabel> its up to ron!!

[22:48] <ron1> ARIES - A SIGN OF DUALITY

[22:48] <ron1> In Aries we have the duality which is attached to bringing together of spirit and matter in the creative activity of manifestation at the beginning of the evolutionary cycle. Seven of 12 signs of the zodiac are dual in nature:

[22:48] <ron1> 1. The two horns of the Ram in Aries.

[22:48] <ron1> 2. The two horns of the Bull in Taurus.

[22:49] <ron1> 3. The figures of the Twins in Gemini (two vertical lines).

[22:49] <ron1> 4. The two claws of the Crab in Cancer.

[22:49] <ron1> 5. The two scales of the Balance in Libra.

[22:49] <ron1> 6. The two parallel lines of Force in Aquarius.

[22:49] <ron1> 7. The two Fishes in Pisces.

[22:50] <ron1> There are three constellations in the zodiac where the animals have horns: Aries, the down-turned horns of the Ram, representing the coming into manifestation, the involutionary cycle and the experience of the Cardinal Cross as it expresses the will-to-manifest of God.

[22:50] <ron1> Taurus, the up-turned horns of the bull with the circle below, depicts the push of man, the Bull of God, towards the goal of illumination and the emergence of the soul from bondage with the two horns (duality) protecting the "eye of light" in the center of the Bull's forehead.

[22:50] <ron1> Then in Capricorn, the Goat, closely related to Aries, is hiding the symbolism of the unicorn in which the two horns and the single eye are blended and shown as the long straight horn of the unicorn in the center of the forehead.

[22:51] <ron1> There is said to be an ancient astrological treatise which will be discovered some day that will explain the relation between the horned animals of the zodiac as being, The Ram, the Scapegoat and the sacred Goat are Three in One and One in Three.

[22:51] <ron1> The Ram becomes the second and the second is the third. The Ram that breeds and fertilizes all; the Scapegoat, in the wilderness, redeems that all; the sacred Goat that merges in the Unicorn and lifts impaled upon his golden horn the vanquished form — in these the mystery lies hid. (Esoteric Astrology, p. 155-6)

[22:51] <ron1> THREE MYSTERIES ARE HIDDEN IN THE THREE HORNED SIGNS:

[22:51] <ron1> 1. The mystery of God the Father — Creation

[22:52] <ron1> 2. The mystery of God the Son — Redemption

[22:52] <ron1> 3. The mystery of God the Holy Spirit — Liberation

[22:52] <ron1> In both their higher and their lower aspects these signs are said to hold the secret of the "horns of strife and the horn of plenty subjected to and guarded by the horn of life." An ancient proverb explains:

[22:53] <ron1> "The Ram — when it has become the Scapegoat, has sought illumination as the Bull of God and has climbed the mountain top in the semblance of the Goat — changes its shape into the Unicorn. Great is the hidden key." Carrying the symbolism a little further, it might be said that,

[22:53] <ron1> "The Ram leads us into the creative life of Earth and into the darkness of matter. This is the blue of midnight.... Eventually the Ram becomes the Scapegoat and the will of God in love and salvage is demonstrated." (Esoteric Astrology, p. 156–7)

[22:53] <ron1> THE THREE INITIAL IMPULSES IN ARIES: THREE OUTSTANDING URGES CHARACTERIZE ARIES.

[22:53] <ron1> 1. The urge to begin. This may be expressed as the urge to take form, or it may reverse the process and focus on the urge to achieve liberation from form, freeing the soul from the prison of form life.

[22:54] <ron1> 2. This urge is followed by the desire to create. This may include the formation of worlds of expression for a Deity, resulting in the formation of a solar system, beginning a life cycle of the universe. Or it may be the urge of the soul to take a body, or of a human to create something uniquely theirs.

[22:54] <ron1> 3. Thirdly, we find the urge to resurrection. Once the creative work has been initiated, the urge to achieve freedom from the form, to stand free arises. Physical commencement and spiritual commencement, physical creation and spiritual creation, physical emergence and spiritual liberation are the three initial impulses found in Aries.

[22:55] <ron1> What appears as spiritual energy in Aries enters into the soul stage in Cancer. This energy reaches a point of equilibrium in Libra, the polar opposite of Aries. Libra admits the soul into the world center which we call Shamballa, and demonstrates the perfect balance of spirit and matter that first came together in Aries.

[22:55] <ron1> This balance and this relation of spirit and matter is symbolized by the personality balancing the pairs of opposites on the astral plane, and finding the "narrow razor-edged path" which leads into the kingdom of souls.

[22:55] <ron1> Aries is closely connected with one of the stars called the Pointers in the Great Bear that points to the Pole star, which is at this time is a major "star of direction." Direction, will, purpose and plan are all connected with the Solar Logos and with His evolutionary undertakings in connection with the many lives manifesting in the vehicle of expression which we call the solar system.

[22:56] <ron1> Eventually, in some mysterious way, there will be only 10 signs of the zodiac, once again. Aries and Pisces will form one sign, for "the end is as the beginning." This dual and blended sign is called in some of the ancient books the "sign of the Fish with the head of the Ram." Indeed, Aries is said to rule the head.

[22:56] <ron1> well, I don't know about that...10 signs

[22:56] <ron1> Aries also governs the path of evolution. As we study this path, there are four words of vital importance that represent the soul’s progress, both as a personality and as a disciple, around the wheel heading towards final liberation.

[22:56] <patricia> why only 10 signs?

[22:57] <mabel> which other signs merge?

[22:57] <ron1> The writer speculates a blending of two signs, thus indicating an evolutionary advance

[22:57] <Cris> Didn't the scientifc community recently kick out Mercury as a planet?

[22:57] <ron1> advancement

[22:58] <ron1> No Cris, they now call Pluto a dwarf planet...but, to me, it is still a planet...dward or otherwise

[22:58] <patricia> thought it wasPluto

[22:58] <ron1> dwarf*

[22:58] <Cris> You're right Pat

[22:58] <ron1> These words express the subjective impulses and motives and introduce four different cycles of progress upon the Path at various stages of individualization to initiation.

[22:58] <Cris> I wasn't thinking clearly

[22:58] <ron1> We are told that these four words and their significance underlie all the Alice A. Bailey books have to impart about the dual experience upon the wheel of life. They are -

[22:59] <ron1> 1. Re-creation in which the influence of Cancer, combined with that of Aries, produces the pull into incarnation upon the physical plane.

[22:59] <ron1> 2. Regeneration in which the growing influence of the Fixed Cross, playing upon the Mutable Cross, produces those interior changes which eventually lead to

[22:59] <ron1> 3. Reorientation or the cycle of repolarization which takes place through the influence of Libra and the "swerving of the Bull in mid-career," as it is called in ancient texts. Reorientation leads to a passage around the wheel where the soul blossoms into full manifestation and the personality recedes.

[22:59] <ron1> 4. The final stage is Renunciation. Renouncing all personal desire for the love of humanity and service, the disciple eventually achieves final liberation.

[23:00] <ron1> This liberation is 12-fold in nature owing to the fact that the disciple must experience liberation, victory and triumph in every sign, just as captivity, defeat and failure were experienced in all the signs of the zodiac.

[23:00] <ron1> gee, big write up on Aries

[23:00] <ron1> Each sign of the zodiac is associated with three other constellations. The constellations connected with Aries are Cassiopeia, Cetus and Perseus. Cassiopeia, the Enthroned Queen, always is a symbol of matter. The second constellation is Cetus, the Sea Monster, the Enemy of Little Fishes, represents evil. Perseus is the third.

[23:00] <mabel> very complicated

[23:00] <ron1> KEYWORDS FOR ARIES:

[23:00] <Cris> but interesting

[23:00] <ron1> Form: "And the Word said: Let form again be sought."

[23:01] <ron1> Soul: "I come forth and from the plane of mind, I rule."

[23:01] <ron1> THE THREE SPIRITUAL FESTIVALS

[23:01] <ron1> Aries initiates the Festival season, and focuses on the Love aspect of God as demonstrated through the Hierarchy, preparing initiates, masters and disciples for the inflow of Will at Wesak. This second ray demonstration of the Will of God is experienced at the Festival of the Risen One, or Easter.

[23:01] <ron1> Hierarchy Love aspect of God Easter Aries full moon

[23:01] <ron1> Shamballa Will aspect of God Wesak Taurus full moon

[23:02] <ron1> Humanity Divine Intelligence Goodwill Gemini full moon

[23:02] <ron1> It is the will or the Father aspect that governs Shamballa; the loving desire of the Son which attracts to the Hierarchy, and the permeating, intelligent activity of the Holy Spirit which animates that center of Divine Life which is called humanity.

[23:02] <ron1> It is the will or the Father aspect that governs Shamballa; the loving desire of the Son which attracts to the Hierarchy, and the permeating, intelligent activity of the Holy Spirit which animates that center of Divine Life which is called humanity.

[23:03] <ron1> END...and that was from an astrological esoteric point of view...next time I will do the signs on a more practical level as well

[23:03] <ron1> END...open chat