Post by WalksInSpirit on Mar 27, 2007 14:47:26 GMT -5
Jesus/Colors Pt. II: 03-27-07
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(02:31:53) (ron) i will be continuing with Jesus and then continue with Colors
(02:34:02) (ron) JESUS THE CHRIST IN THE EARTH 5749-4
(02:34:17) (ron) Q.4. Is Jesus Christ on any particular sphere, or is He manifesting on the earth plane in another body?
(02:34:41) (ron) A.4. All power in heaven, in earth is given to Him who overcame the world. Hence He is of Himself in space, in the force that impels through faith, through belief, in the individual entity. As a spirit entity. Hence, not in a body in the earth, but may come at will to him who wills to be one with the acts in love to make same possible.
(02:35:42) (ron) For He shall come as ye have seen Him go, in the body He occupied in Galilee. The body that He formed that was crucified on the cross, that appeared to Philip, that appeared to John.
(02:36:39) (ron) Q.7. When Jesus the Christ comes the second time will He set up His kingdom on earth and will it be an everlasting kingdom?
(02:36:40) (Diane) wounds and all
(02:37:01) (@miketrueeagle) YES !
(02:37:07) (ron) A.7. Read His promises in that ye have written of His words, as John gave. He shall rule for a thousand years. Then shall Satan be loosed again for a season.
(02:37:52) (ron) by that time, all us old souls will have overcome the earth and he/satan, will have it all to himself :)
(02:38:53) (ron) HEALINGS OF THE MASTER 5749-14
(02:39:20) (ron) Interpreting the life of the Master Jesus, as had been indicated, His birth, His advent into the material world brought satisfaction, and yet consternation, to the many.
(02:39:44) (ron) This was indicated a few months afterward, when with the return of the Mother and Joseph to Nazareth there was the edict that all children up to two years of age were to be destroyed. Indeed did Rachel weep for her sons.
(02:40:13) (ron) Through the experience though, as has been indicated, there were those precautions. there was that journey into Egypt, which is recorded in the varied manners in Matthew and in Luke.
(02:40:56) (ron) To many there might be questionings as to whether Mary was informed of the necessity for the flight, or merely Joseph, as Matthew records. However, as we find, they were of one mind, and the flight into Egypt, as recorded, was the fulfilling of the prophecy; for it had been said: "and my son shall be called from Egypt."
(02:41:35) (ron) The period of stay in Egypt was something over two and one half years, until another ruler was in authority or power. Then there was the return.
(02:42:00) (ron) Through that period there were many of the stories that have come down as legends, even of those people in some portions of Egypt and of Arabia, as to the happenings along the way, as to how there were the unusual happenings, indicating not only the divinity of the child but that purpose later recorded, "and she kept all of these and pondered them in her heart."
(02:42:39) (ron) After the journey to Jerusalem, there were the periods of education in Syria, India, the completing again of the activities in Egypt; and the passing of the tests there by those who were of the Essenes group, as they entered into the service, as did the Master and John before Him.
(02:43:22) (ron) As to the healings, the miracles performed by the Master, the first record begins with that in Capernaum, or Cana and nigh unto Capernaum, when He had so recently returned from the wilderness, or the visit of John, when the water turned into wine. It was one of the few instances where healings were performed among His own people, among His own kindred.
(02:44:13) (ron) thus, healings were taking place in other lands, right?
(02:45:24) (Diane) right
(02:45:39) (Diane) but not until later
(02:46:01) (Raleigh) right
(02:46:03) (ron) Some might easily ask the question: If He were the healer, why was it necessary that Joseph pass away?
(02:46:39) (Diane) So that Mary didn't have to hang around waiting on him. lol
(02:46:40) (ron) Did the Master come to be about His work or His Father's work?
(02:47:06) (Raleigh) with the power of the spirit they had
(02:47:07) (ron) As individuals, as representatives of the Master, as heirs with Him, do we go about our Father's work or our work? There is the variation.
(02:47:11) (Raleigh) healed
(02:47:24) (@miketrueeagle) he was a man on a mission
(02:47:48) (ron) Respecting the miracles of healing, there were many instances where individual healings were of the nature as to be instantaneous, as that when He said to him sick of the palsy, "Son, thy sins be forgiven thee."
(02:48:18) (Raleigh) one must be born again is why he passed
(02:48:26) (ron) When the questions came (as He knew they would), He answered, "Which is it easier to say, "They sins be forgiven thee", or "Take up thy bed and go unto thine house?"" Immediately the man arose, took up his bed and went unto his house!
(02:49:00) (ron) Here we find that it was not by the command, but by His own personage. For the question was not as to whether He healed but as to whether He had the power to forgive sin. The recognition was that SIN had cause the physical disturbance.
(02:49:52) (ron) Then these are part of the experience of each and every soul in their search for, in their relationships with, their fellow men.
(02:50:18) (ron) Ye may ask, does this apply in the present? In Him ye live, ye move, ye have they being. "If ye love me," saith the Master, "ye will keep my commandments. My commandments are not grievous; my commandment is that ye love one another, even as I have loved you. . . If ye love me, I and the Father will come and abide with thee."
(02:51:13) (ron) Believe Ye His words?
(02:51:19) (Raleigh) :)
(02:51:26) (ron) Just as experienced by those who stood about the grave of him, the brother of those whom the Lord loved - when He spoke death itself gave up that it had claimed, even though the sister had warned that there had not been the embalming as had been the purposes of many. Instantly the activity brought life.
(02:52:11) (ron) For He IS life. He is health. He is beauty. He IS - not was, not will be, but IS! For He, having overcome death, hell and the grave, He is justified before God in giving to him who believes, who is in accord, that "If ye ask in my name, believing, doing, being that ye ask for, that shall be done unto thee."
(02:52:48) (ron) Yet with the breaking of the bonds of death, the breaking of the material bonds - the binding about the head - must needs be done by others.
(02:53:11) (ron) There is ever, then - in thy material associations, in thy seeking for help, love, health, understanding for thy brother - something, some effort on their part as well as thine. But "where two or three are gathered together in my name, there will I be in the midst of them."
(02:53:41) (ron) These are the influences that all must realize if they would understand, if they would comprehend, if they would contemplate, if they would seek - THAT YE CANNOT GIVE THAT WHICH YE DO NOT POSSESS.
(02:54:13) (ron) that is a very profound statement
(02:54:13) (Raleigh) hmmmm
(02:54:31) (ron) THAT YE CANNOT GIVE THAT WHICH YE DO NOT POSSESS.
(02:54:42) (~Blu) -*TEARS*
(02:54:44) (ron) yes!
(02:54:46) (Raleigh) explain
(02:55:05) (~Blu) we all have to do what Jesus did
(02:55:16) (~Blu) we have to over come death just as He did
(02:55:38) (ron) i think one must ponder the meaning for themselves...must look within to find the meaning
(02:55:43) (~Blu) and it is through serving others we find the way
(02:55:57) (Raleigh) k
(02:56:17) (ron) . If ye have that love in Christ, in the giving ye have the more, even as He demonstrated in the giving of life that ye might have life more abundantly, that there might be a closer walk with Him. And as ye walk, ye talk with Him, HE TALKS WITH THEE.
(02:56:23) (~Blu) Ral can you give someone $5.00 if you do not have it?
(02:56:51) (Raleigh) i was asking why is it hard to understand /
(02:56:54) (ron) "Be not afraid, it is I," Has this come to thee? Has it not oft been thy experience and ye, in thy doubt, in thy fear of being in His presence, have turned away? "In as much as ye do it unto the least of thy brethren ye do it unto me." This is for each of you. This is thy Lord, as He would
(02:57:36) (ron) "Be not afraid, it is I," Has this come to thee? Has it not oft been thy experience and ye, in thy doubt, in thy fear of being in His presence, have turned away? "In as much as ye do it unto the least of thy brethren ye do it unto me." This is for each of you. This is thy Lord, as He would approach thee, that ye in the (grace), in thy love, thy mercy as thou showest to thy brother, may find that love in Him.
(02:58:55) (ron) EXPLANATIONS OF SPECIFIC BIBLE VERSES 262-60
(03:00:05) (ron) Matthew 24:34. "Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled."
(03:00:38) (ron) anyone have any thoughts regarding the above
(03:01:08) (~Blu) to me it says that we are all going to achieve this and that time is irrelevant
(03:01:11) (Diane) So many thoughts, but hard to put into words
(03:01:29) (~Blu) because we are our ancestors
(03:01:30) (Raleigh) i think its speaking of since isreal became a nation is it not?
(03:01:33) (ron) 'this generation'...what do you think that might mean?
(03:01:41) (Raleigh) 1945
(03:01:49) (Raleigh) no?
(03:01:56) (ron) and does it refer to the 2nd coming?
(03:02:04) (~Blu) well Jesus did not say that in 1945
(03:02:09) (Raleigh) yes
(03:02:21) (Diane) lol Blu
(03:02:40) (Diane) can't find it in the test ron. where?
(03:02:44) (Raleigh) its a generation after isreal became a nation
(03:02:59) (Raleigh) lol di/
(03:03:13) (ron) what about the incarnation of that genereation as being there at the 2nd coming?
(03:03:19) (@miketrueeagle) bible says u see.. the changes .. an the seasons..
(03:03:23) (ron) :)
(03:03:27) (Raleigh) oh well thats easy
(03:03:33) (Raleigh) rebirth /
(03:03:35) (~Blu) maybe by pass he meant a "TEST"
(03:03:38) (ron) yes yes
(03:03:40) (ron) yes
(03:04:15) (ron) now, we will see another interpretation given, lets see...
(03:04:36) (@miketrueeagle) earth changes .. ...tribulations
(03:04:38) (ron) Those individuals that were in hearing and in keeping of those things presented by the Master in that experience would be in the manifested form in the earth during the periods of fulfillments in the earth of the prophecies spoken of. Not in what is termed as generation of four score and ten years, but the experiences of those could be in the earth during those periods when there must shortly come the completing or fulfilling of those things spoken of.
(03:05:16) (ron) and i did not peek...i remembered that one from many years ago...it really caught my attention
(03:06:31) (Raleigh) k / i can see that view
(03:06:33) (Diane) We all get new bodies, then return with Christ for the 2nd coming, is my theory
(03:06:42) (ron) i hope you all got that
(03:07:00) (@miketrueeagle) yea ..
(03:07:04) (Diane) He returns, riding a white horse, and his Hosts are with him, that's us
(03:07:06) (~Blu) scares me when Ron laughs
(03:07:13) (Raleigh) i am leary of the rapure doctrine /
(03:07:15) (Diane) lol Blu
(03:07:17) (ron) EXPLANATION OF THE MASTER'S STATEMENT TO NICODEMUS, "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN." 5749-10
(03:07:26) (@miketrueeagle) an .. michael.. is with him
(03:07:35) (~WalksInSpirit) Right, Diane. That's the way I was always taught, too.
(03:08:02) (Diane) ty WIS... nice color, too. lol
(03:08:10) (ron) A background of the whole setting makes this better understood. Nicodemus was among those of the Sanhedrin, those of the teachers, those of the elders, with that privilege of having access to all that had been given from the ordinances that were delivered to Moses on the mount; the relationships of individuals and the relationships of individual soul to its maker.
(03:08:48) (ron) Much had come to be as omens, or heresy, rather than the ordinances of old.
(03:09:11) (ron) When Nicodemus asked, "How can such things be?" The rebuke came in His answer, "Art thou a teacher in Israel and knoweth not these things!"
(03:09:31) (~Blu) yikes
(03:09:38) (Diane) double yikes
(03:09:40) (@miketrueeagle) thats y i like john 14 .. ral .. jesus says....
(03:09:41) (ron) We must be born of water, of blood. Or of the spirit and through the flesh. Or that all must pass under the rod, even as was given by those teachers that as Moses and the children passed through the sea they were baptized in the cloud, in the sea; as an example, as an omen, as a physical activity of a spiritual, a physical separation from that which had been builded in their experience as the sojourn in Egypt.
(03:09:44) (Raleigh) cause reincarnation was widly accepted /
(03:09:45) (~Blu) man when he rebukes he really does it right
(03:09:57) (Raleigh) taught /
(03:10:25) (ron) lol
(03:10:48) (Raleigh) born of water means natural birth i think
(03:10:55) (ron) As the Master gave to Nicodemus, ye must be born of the spirit where ye may make manifest the fruits of the spirit. Where? In [the] earth! Not that these come in their order as indicated in the question by Nicodemus, but in relative position as to their development, their necessities, their needs for their soul growth, their soul understanding.
(03:10:59) (Raleigh) rather than baptism /
(03:11:28) (@miketrueeagle) soul growth.. o yea
(03:11:55) (ron) i think baptism is symbolic of our need for emotional/soul purification, or cleansing
(03:12:20) (ron) water is usually a symbol of the emotional nature, or the lower self
(03:12:25) (Raleigh) its a public demonstration
(03:12:42) (Raleigh) its like a burial i understand /
(03:12:51) (@miketrueeagle) an the comitment . that goes with it ...ron.. BAPTISM
(03:12:58) (Diane) A sacrement .. earthly symbol of a spiritual committment
(03:13:04) (ron) the seat of the soul is the lyden center which is ruled by Neptune, the astrological element of water
(03:13:58) (Raleigh) its kinda like taking orders hard to understand / so we do /
(03:14:17) (Diane) Doesn't "under the rod" mean under the law, and the law was strictly Old Testament
(03:14:35) (ron) also, its status is indicated by its physical position in the body, being so close to the earth, or the gonads; the earth element, saturn
(03:14:55) (Raleigh) under the rod is like when a child gets spanked /
(03:15:06) (Diane) lol. good point
(03:15:12) (Raleigh) rod and staff of a shepard as well /
(03:15:14) (@miketrueeagle) 4 THY ROD AN STAFF... COMFORT ME !
(03:15:20) (ron) many lyden cells located there, possibly a symbol of many earthly incarnations of the soul
(03:15:30) (Diane) they were under the rod. spare the rod, spoil the child
(03:15:36) (Raleigh) then too the staff is a symbol of meditation /
(03:15:52) (ron) moving on
(03:16:17) (ron) i have to put my 2 cents worth every once in awhile...
(03:16:25) (Raleigh) all must pass under the rod of correction say / to learn to obey /
(03:16:29) (ron) Oh that all would gather more of that understanding that the soul is a body and the physical is the mere temple, the mere shell, the mere material manifestation of that which may not be touched by hands! For it appears that we must be born again that we may dwell in those mansions not made with hands, but are prepared for those that have washed their robes, their bodies, their souls in the blood.
(03:16:29) (@miketrueeagle) DATS ... O K
(03:16:50) (Raleigh) who do you think you are ron / the teacher ?
(03:16:51) (Raleigh) :)
(03:16:55) (Diane) that serpent Moses hung on the rod is the symbol for healers. the caducious, i think
(03:17:21) (~Blu) and the Kundalini
(03:17:49) (ron) For ye are ones that may know the truth, if ye will but manifest in thine own experiences that ye have learned in thine meditations with thy God.
(03:18:20) (ron) Ye must be born in flesh, in spirit again, that ye may make manifest that ye have experienced in thine own soul!
(03:18:42) (Diane) in spirit again.... hmmm
(03:20:32) (ron) so, its best that we don't make any hasty decisions, or be impatient with God at this trying time, or we will end up facing these choices all over again...and as far as i'm concerned, i had enough!!!...so, PATIENCE is the Key!!...no hasty stupid things for me, bad times always pass...what do you guys think?
(03:20:32) (Raleigh) we got to be reborn and again / hmm / how many lives can one deny the 0ne god /
(03:21:34) (Diane) rebirth of spirit is essential. All cares must be taken to the cross, as all sins must be repented of
(03:21:40) (~Blu) not only do they pass they must be understood and turned into stepping stones
(03:22:01) (Diane) and don't look back!!
(03:22:11) (~Blu) let it go
(03:22:20) (Raleigh) ok ok ok / lol
(03:22:22) (Raleigh) :)
(03:22:25) (Diane) or, God forbid, turn to salt!
(03:22:26) (ron) what do you think ral?
(03:22:38) (ron) on what i wrote above?
(03:22:40) (Raleigh) i try it gee whizzzzzzz
(03:22:41) (~Blu) yeah Ral, how can you apply this today?
(03:22:42) (Raleigh) :)
(03:22:45) (Raleigh) k
(03:22:48) (Raleigh) :)
(03:24:13) (Raleigh) lemme think
(03:24:25) (ron) ok moving on...
(03:24:36) (~Blu) don't think Ral, choose
(03:24:37) (Diane) take that whole bundle of trash, Ral, and lay it at the cross
(03:24:42) (Raleigh) k
(03:24:46) (ron) Q.1. Please explain John 19:34 "- forthwith came out blood and water."
(03:24:52) (Raleigh) yes di
(03:25:06) (~Blu) and rejoice Ral! Be thankful and grateful that you are on the other side!
(03:25:14) (ron) A.1. The fulfilling of "without the shedding of blood there is not remission of sins." Hence was shed as the sacrifice of the just for the unjust, that ye all may stand in the same light with the Father.
(03:25:18) (Raleigh) yeah k
(03:25:39) (ron) $1000 lost...how about $20,000 :)
(03:25:44) (ron) lol
(03:25:55) (~Blu) what is money?
(03:26:03) (Raleigh) stuff
(03:26:07) (ron) as i say, thats life
(03:26:08) (Raleigh) just stuff
(03:26:18) (~Blu) it's something that will end up in a landfill
(03:26:22) (ron) and i still help
(03:26:40) (ron) what i'm really doing is 'sharing' and that, i know, pleases God
(03:26:44) (~Blu) but what you gained from this is invaluable
(03:26:48) (Diane) We're meant to have money. It's the LOVE of money that stinks
(03:27:27) (Raleigh) its said that the scripture says money is the root / but its the love of it says /
(03:27:40) (Diane) and then there's tithing ....
(03:27:51) (~WalksInSpirit) And what is the love of money? Greed.
(03:27:53) (ron) and i'm very happy i helped those that needed help...it makes me feel good...i'm happy about it...i'm not crying, whimpering and grumping...its in my heart to help
(03:27:55) (Diane) right Ral
(03:28:24) (Raleigh) yes greed / stockpile weath / easy for a poor man to go to heaven deal /
(03:28:40) (ron) i don't even need to be asked...i have the insight to know!
(03:28:41) (Raleigh) so i guess im in " / :)
(03:29:03) (Diane) ron, you're a rare breed. Bless you
(03:29:21) (ron) and if i have the Lord's insight 'to know' then it is my duty to help those in need whatever that might be...otherwise the Lord will kick my butt
(03:29:31) (Raleigh) ron is cool we all know that /
(03:29:35) (Raleigh) :)
(03:30:08) (@miketrueeagle) the knowing.. it covers.... ALOT !
(03:30:25) (~Blu) I think all of yu are cool
(03:30:44) (Diane) ty Ral. Feeling's mutual
(03:30:46) (ron) sometimes, i, or others, don't always use nice words...but look a little bit deeper and think
(03:31:01) (Raleigh) :)
(03:31:17) (ron) sorry, moving on...
(03:31:44) (ron) talking too much today...i must be possessed
(03:31:48) (ron) Q.7. Please explain why the Master in many cases forgave sins in healing individuals.
(03:32:15) (ron) A.7. Sins are of commission and omission. Sins of commission were forgiven, while sins of omission were called to mind, even by the Master.
(03:32:30) (Diane) To remove from them the burden of sin. And it IS a burden
(03:32:50) (ron) that is the end of this chapter...ok to stop now?
(03:33:12) (ron) we can take a break and then take up something else for a little bit
(03:33:20) (@miketrueeagle) K RON
(03:33:27) (Diane) TY ron.
(03:33:39) (Raleigh) your choice guy/
(03:34:04) (Raleigh) i feel tons better ron / ty for the class i needed /
(03:34:24) (Diane) Nice to hear that Ral, very nice
(02:31:53) (ron) i will be continuing with Jesus and then continue with Colors
(02:34:02) (ron) JESUS THE CHRIST IN THE EARTH 5749-4
(02:34:17) (ron) Q.4. Is Jesus Christ on any particular sphere, or is He manifesting on the earth plane in another body?
(02:34:41) (ron) A.4. All power in heaven, in earth is given to Him who overcame the world. Hence He is of Himself in space, in the force that impels through faith, through belief, in the individual entity. As a spirit entity. Hence, not in a body in the earth, but may come at will to him who wills to be one with the acts in love to make same possible.
(02:35:42) (ron) For He shall come as ye have seen Him go, in the body He occupied in Galilee. The body that He formed that was crucified on the cross, that appeared to Philip, that appeared to John.
(02:36:39) (ron) Q.7. When Jesus the Christ comes the second time will He set up His kingdom on earth and will it be an everlasting kingdom?
(02:36:40) (Diane) wounds and all
(02:37:01) (@miketrueeagle) YES !
(02:37:07) (ron) A.7. Read His promises in that ye have written of His words, as John gave. He shall rule for a thousand years. Then shall Satan be loosed again for a season.
(02:37:52) (ron) by that time, all us old souls will have overcome the earth and he/satan, will have it all to himself :)
(02:38:53) (ron) HEALINGS OF THE MASTER 5749-14
(02:39:20) (ron) Interpreting the life of the Master Jesus, as had been indicated, His birth, His advent into the material world brought satisfaction, and yet consternation, to the many.
(02:39:44) (ron) This was indicated a few months afterward, when with the return of the Mother and Joseph to Nazareth there was the edict that all children up to two years of age were to be destroyed. Indeed did Rachel weep for her sons.
(02:40:13) (ron) Through the experience though, as has been indicated, there were those precautions. there was that journey into Egypt, which is recorded in the varied manners in Matthew and in Luke.
(02:40:56) (ron) To many there might be questionings as to whether Mary was informed of the necessity for the flight, or merely Joseph, as Matthew records. However, as we find, they were of one mind, and the flight into Egypt, as recorded, was the fulfilling of the prophecy; for it had been said: "and my son shall be called from Egypt."
(02:41:35) (ron) The period of stay in Egypt was something over two and one half years, until another ruler was in authority or power. Then there was the return.
(02:42:00) (ron) Through that period there were many of the stories that have come down as legends, even of those people in some portions of Egypt and of Arabia, as to the happenings along the way, as to how there were the unusual happenings, indicating not only the divinity of the child but that purpose later recorded, "and she kept all of these and pondered them in her heart."
(02:42:39) (ron) After the journey to Jerusalem, there were the periods of education in Syria, India, the completing again of the activities in Egypt; and the passing of the tests there by those who were of the Essenes group, as they entered into the service, as did the Master and John before Him.
(02:43:22) (ron) As to the healings, the miracles performed by the Master, the first record begins with that in Capernaum, or Cana and nigh unto Capernaum, when He had so recently returned from the wilderness, or the visit of John, when the water turned into wine. It was one of the few instances where healings were performed among His own people, among His own kindred.
(02:44:13) (ron) thus, healings were taking place in other lands, right?
(02:45:24) (Diane) right
(02:45:39) (Diane) but not until later
(02:46:01) (Raleigh) right
(02:46:03) (ron) Some might easily ask the question: If He were the healer, why was it necessary that Joseph pass away?
(02:46:39) (Diane) So that Mary didn't have to hang around waiting on him. lol
(02:46:40) (ron) Did the Master come to be about His work or His Father's work?
(02:47:06) (Raleigh) with the power of the spirit they had
(02:47:07) (ron) As individuals, as representatives of the Master, as heirs with Him, do we go about our Father's work or our work? There is the variation.
(02:47:11) (Raleigh) healed
(02:47:24) (@miketrueeagle) he was a man on a mission
(02:47:48) (ron) Respecting the miracles of healing, there were many instances where individual healings were of the nature as to be instantaneous, as that when He said to him sick of the palsy, "Son, thy sins be forgiven thee."
(02:48:18) (Raleigh) one must be born again is why he passed
(02:48:26) (ron) When the questions came (as He knew they would), He answered, "Which is it easier to say, "They sins be forgiven thee", or "Take up thy bed and go unto thine house?"" Immediately the man arose, took up his bed and went unto his house!
(02:49:00) (ron) Here we find that it was not by the command, but by His own personage. For the question was not as to whether He healed but as to whether He had the power to forgive sin. The recognition was that SIN had cause the physical disturbance.
(02:49:52) (ron) Then these are part of the experience of each and every soul in their search for, in their relationships with, their fellow men.
(02:50:18) (ron) Ye may ask, does this apply in the present? In Him ye live, ye move, ye have they being. "If ye love me," saith the Master, "ye will keep my commandments. My commandments are not grievous; my commandment is that ye love one another, even as I have loved you. . . If ye love me, I and the Father will come and abide with thee."
(02:51:13) (ron) Believe Ye His words?
(02:51:19) (Raleigh) :)
(02:51:26) (ron) Just as experienced by those who stood about the grave of him, the brother of those whom the Lord loved - when He spoke death itself gave up that it had claimed, even though the sister had warned that there had not been the embalming as had been the purposes of many. Instantly the activity brought life.
(02:52:11) (ron) For He IS life. He is health. He is beauty. He IS - not was, not will be, but IS! For He, having overcome death, hell and the grave, He is justified before God in giving to him who believes, who is in accord, that "If ye ask in my name, believing, doing, being that ye ask for, that shall be done unto thee."
(02:52:48) (ron) Yet with the breaking of the bonds of death, the breaking of the material bonds - the binding about the head - must needs be done by others.
(02:53:11) (ron) There is ever, then - in thy material associations, in thy seeking for help, love, health, understanding for thy brother - something, some effort on their part as well as thine. But "where two or three are gathered together in my name, there will I be in the midst of them."
(02:53:41) (ron) These are the influences that all must realize if they would understand, if they would comprehend, if they would contemplate, if they would seek - THAT YE CANNOT GIVE THAT WHICH YE DO NOT POSSESS.
(02:54:13) (ron) that is a very profound statement
(02:54:13) (Raleigh) hmmmm
(02:54:31) (ron) THAT YE CANNOT GIVE THAT WHICH YE DO NOT POSSESS.
(02:54:42) (~Blu) -*TEARS*
(02:54:44) (ron) yes!
(02:54:46) (Raleigh) explain
(02:55:05) (~Blu) we all have to do what Jesus did
(02:55:16) (~Blu) we have to over come death just as He did
(02:55:38) (ron) i think one must ponder the meaning for themselves...must look within to find the meaning
(02:55:43) (~Blu) and it is through serving others we find the way
(02:55:57) (Raleigh) k
(02:56:17) (ron) . If ye have that love in Christ, in the giving ye have the more, even as He demonstrated in the giving of life that ye might have life more abundantly, that there might be a closer walk with Him. And as ye walk, ye talk with Him, HE TALKS WITH THEE.
(02:56:23) (~Blu) Ral can you give someone $5.00 if you do not have it?
(02:56:51) (Raleigh) i was asking why is it hard to understand /
(02:56:54) (ron) "Be not afraid, it is I," Has this come to thee? Has it not oft been thy experience and ye, in thy doubt, in thy fear of being in His presence, have turned away? "In as much as ye do it unto the least of thy brethren ye do it unto me." This is for each of you. This is thy Lord, as He would
(02:57:36) (ron) "Be not afraid, it is I," Has this come to thee? Has it not oft been thy experience and ye, in thy doubt, in thy fear of being in His presence, have turned away? "In as much as ye do it unto the least of thy brethren ye do it unto me." This is for each of you. This is thy Lord, as He would approach thee, that ye in the (grace), in thy love, thy mercy as thou showest to thy brother, may find that love in Him.
(02:58:55) (ron) EXPLANATIONS OF SPECIFIC BIBLE VERSES 262-60
(03:00:05) (ron) Matthew 24:34. "Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled."
(03:00:38) (ron) anyone have any thoughts regarding the above
(03:01:08) (~Blu) to me it says that we are all going to achieve this and that time is irrelevant
(03:01:11) (Diane) So many thoughts, but hard to put into words
(03:01:29) (~Blu) because we are our ancestors
(03:01:30) (Raleigh) i think its speaking of since isreal became a nation is it not?
(03:01:33) (ron) 'this generation'...what do you think that might mean?
(03:01:41) (Raleigh) 1945
(03:01:49) (Raleigh) no?
(03:01:56) (ron) and does it refer to the 2nd coming?
(03:02:04) (~Blu) well Jesus did not say that in 1945
(03:02:09) (Raleigh) yes
(03:02:21) (Diane) lol Blu
(03:02:40) (Diane) can't find it in the test ron. where?
(03:02:44) (Raleigh) its a generation after isreal became a nation
(03:02:59) (Raleigh) lol di/
(03:03:13) (ron) what about the incarnation of that genereation as being there at the 2nd coming?
(03:03:19) (@miketrueeagle) bible says u see.. the changes .. an the seasons..
(03:03:23) (ron) :)
(03:03:27) (Raleigh) oh well thats easy
(03:03:33) (Raleigh) rebirth /
(03:03:35) (~Blu) maybe by pass he meant a "TEST"
(03:03:38) (ron) yes yes
(03:03:40) (ron) yes
(03:04:15) (ron) now, we will see another interpretation given, lets see...
(03:04:36) (@miketrueeagle) earth changes .. ...tribulations
(03:04:38) (ron) Those individuals that were in hearing and in keeping of those things presented by the Master in that experience would be in the manifested form in the earth during the periods of fulfillments in the earth of the prophecies spoken of. Not in what is termed as generation of four score and ten years, but the experiences of those could be in the earth during those periods when there must shortly come the completing or fulfilling of those things spoken of.
(03:05:16) (ron) and i did not peek...i remembered that one from many years ago...it really caught my attention
(03:06:31) (Raleigh) k / i can see that view
(03:06:33) (Diane) We all get new bodies, then return with Christ for the 2nd coming, is my theory
(03:06:42) (ron) i hope you all got that
(03:07:00) (@miketrueeagle) yea ..
(03:07:04) (Diane) He returns, riding a white horse, and his Hosts are with him, that's us
(03:07:06) (~Blu) scares me when Ron laughs
(03:07:13) (Raleigh) i am leary of the rapure doctrine /
(03:07:15) (Diane) lol Blu
(03:07:17) (ron) EXPLANATION OF THE MASTER'S STATEMENT TO NICODEMUS, "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN." 5749-10
(03:07:26) (@miketrueeagle) an .. michael.. is with him
(03:07:35) (~WalksInSpirit) Right, Diane. That's the way I was always taught, too.
(03:08:02) (Diane) ty WIS... nice color, too. lol
(03:08:10) (ron) A background of the whole setting makes this better understood. Nicodemus was among those of the Sanhedrin, those of the teachers, those of the elders, with that privilege of having access to all that had been given from the ordinances that were delivered to Moses on the mount; the relationships of individuals and the relationships of individual soul to its maker.
(03:08:48) (ron) Much had come to be as omens, or heresy, rather than the ordinances of old.
(03:09:11) (ron) When Nicodemus asked, "How can such things be?" The rebuke came in His answer, "Art thou a teacher in Israel and knoweth not these things!"
(03:09:31) (~Blu) yikes
(03:09:38) (Diane) double yikes
(03:09:40) (@miketrueeagle) thats y i like john 14 .. ral .. jesus says....
(03:09:41) (ron) We must be born of water, of blood. Or of the spirit and through the flesh. Or that all must pass under the rod, even as was given by those teachers that as Moses and the children passed through the sea they were baptized in the cloud, in the sea; as an example, as an omen, as a physical activity of a spiritual, a physical separation from that which had been builded in their experience as the sojourn in Egypt.
(03:09:44) (Raleigh) cause reincarnation was widly accepted /
(03:09:45) (~Blu) man when he rebukes he really does it right
(03:09:57) (Raleigh) taught /
(03:10:25) (ron) lol
(03:10:48) (Raleigh) born of water means natural birth i think
(03:10:55) (ron) As the Master gave to Nicodemus, ye must be born of the spirit where ye may make manifest the fruits of the spirit. Where? In [the] earth! Not that these come in their order as indicated in the question by Nicodemus, but in relative position as to their development, their necessities, their needs for their soul growth, their soul understanding.
(03:10:59) (Raleigh) rather than baptism /
(03:11:28) (@miketrueeagle) soul growth.. o yea
(03:11:55) (ron) i think baptism is symbolic of our need for emotional/soul purification, or cleansing
(03:12:20) (ron) water is usually a symbol of the emotional nature, or the lower self
(03:12:25) (Raleigh) its a public demonstration
(03:12:42) (Raleigh) its like a burial i understand /
(03:12:51) (@miketrueeagle) an the comitment . that goes with it ...ron.. BAPTISM
(03:12:58) (Diane) A sacrement .. earthly symbol of a spiritual committment
(03:13:04) (ron) the seat of the soul is the lyden center which is ruled by Neptune, the astrological element of water
(03:13:58) (Raleigh) its kinda like taking orders hard to understand / so we do /
(03:14:17) (Diane) Doesn't "under the rod" mean under the law, and the law was strictly Old Testament
(03:14:35) (ron) also, its status is indicated by its physical position in the body, being so close to the earth, or the gonads; the earth element, saturn
(03:14:55) (Raleigh) under the rod is like when a child gets spanked /
(03:15:06) (Diane) lol. good point
(03:15:12) (Raleigh) rod and staff of a shepard as well /
(03:15:14) (@miketrueeagle) 4 THY ROD AN STAFF... COMFORT ME !
(03:15:20) (ron) many lyden cells located there, possibly a symbol of many earthly incarnations of the soul
(03:15:30) (Diane) they were under the rod. spare the rod, spoil the child
(03:15:36) (Raleigh) then too the staff is a symbol of meditation /
(03:15:52) (ron) moving on
(03:16:17) (ron) i have to put my 2 cents worth every once in awhile...
(03:16:25) (Raleigh) all must pass under the rod of correction say / to learn to obey /
(03:16:29) (ron) Oh that all would gather more of that understanding that the soul is a body and the physical is the mere temple, the mere shell, the mere material manifestation of that which may not be touched by hands! For it appears that we must be born again that we may dwell in those mansions not made with hands, but are prepared for those that have washed their robes, their bodies, their souls in the blood.
(03:16:29) (@miketrueeagle) DATS ... O K
(03:16:50) (Raleigh) who do you think you are ron / the teacher ?
(03:16:51) (Raleigh) :)
(03:16:55) (Diane) that serpent Moses hung on the rod is the symbol for healers. the caducious, i think
(03:17:21) (~Blu) and the Kundalini
(03:17:49) (ron) For ye are ones that may know the truth, if ye will but manifest in thine own experiences that ye have learned in thine meditations with thy God.
(03:18:20) (ron) Ye must be born in flesh, in spirit again, that ye may make manifest that ye have experienced in thine own soul!
(03:18:42) (Diane) in spirit again.... hmmm
(03:20:32) (ron) so, its best that we don't make any hasty decisions, or be impatient with God at this trying time, or we will end up facing these choices all over again...and as far as i'm concerned, i had enough!!!...so, PATIENCE is the Key!!...no hasty stupid things for me, bad times always pass...what do you guys think?
(03:20:32) (Raleigh) we got to be reborn and again / hmm / how many lives can one deny the 0ne god /
(03:21:34) (Diane) rebirth of spirit is essential. All cares must be taken to the cross, as all sins must be repented of
(03:21:40) (~Blu) not only do they pass they must be understood and turned into stepping stones
(03:22:01) (Diane) and don't look back!!
(03:22:11) (~Blu) let it go
(03:22:20) (Raleigh) ok ok ok / lol
(03:22:22) (Raleigh) :)
(03:22:25) (Diane) or, God forbid, turn to salt!
(03:22:26) (ron) what do you think ral?
(03:22:38) (ron) on what i wrote above?
(03:22:40) (Raleigh) i try it gee whizzzzzzz
(03:22:41) (~Blu) yeah Ral, how can you apply this today?
(03:22:42) (Raleigh) :)
(03:22:45) (Raleigh) k
(03:22:48) (Raleigh) :)
(03:24:13) (Raleigh) lemme think
(03:24:25) (ron) ok moving on...
(03:24:36) (~Blu) don't think Ral, choose
(03:24:37) (Diane) take that whole bundle of trash, Ral, and lay it at the cross
(03:24:42) (Raleigh) k
(03:24:46) (ron) Q.1. Please explain John 19:34 "- forthwith came out blood and water."
(03:24:52) (Raleigh) yes di
(03:25:06) (~Blu) and rejoice Ral! Be thankful and grateful that you are on the other side!
(03:25:14) (ron) A.1. The fulfilling of "without the shedding of blood there is not remission of sins." Hence was shed as the sacrifice of the just for the unjust, that ye all may stand in the same light with the Father.
(03:25:18) (Raleigh) yeah k
(03:25:39) (ron) $1000 lost...how about $20,000 :)
(03:25:44) (ron) lol
(03:25:55) (~Blu) what is money?
(03:26:03) (Raleigh) stuff
(03:26:07) (ron) as i say, thats life
(03:26:08) (Raleigh) just stuff
(03:26:18) (~Blu) it's something that will end up in a landfill
(03:26:22) (ron) and i still help
(03:26:40) (ron) what i'm really doing is 'sharing' and that, i know, pleases God
(03:26:44) (~Blu) but what you gained from this is invaluable
(03:26:48) (Diane) We're meant to have money. It's the LOVE of money that stinks
(03:27:27) (Raleigh) its said that the scripture says money is the root / but its the love of it says /
(03:27:40) (Diane) and then there's tithing ....
(03:27:51) (~WalksInSpirit) And what is the love of money? Greed.
(03:27:53) (ron) and i'm very happy i helped those that needed help...it makes me feel good...i'm happy about it...i'm not crying, whimpering and grumping...its in my heart to help
(03:27:55) (Diane) right Ral
(03:28:24) (Raleigh) yes greed / stockpile weath / easy for a poor man to go to heaven deal /
(03:28:40) (ron) i don't even need to be asked...i have the insight to know!
(03:28:41) (Raleigh) so i guess im in " / :)
(03:29:03) (Diane) ron, you're a rare breed. Bless you
(03:29:21) (ron) and if i have the Lord's insight 'to know' then it is my duty to help those in need whatever that might be...otherwise the Lord will kick my butt
(03:29:31) (Raleigh) ron is cool we all know that /
(03:29:35) (Raleigh) :)
(03:30:08) (@miketrueeagle) the knowing.. it covers.... ALOT !
(03:30:25) (~Blu) I think all of yu are cool
(03:30:44) (Diane) ty Ral. Feeling's mutual
(03:30:46) (ron) sometimes, i, or others, don't always use nice words...but look a little bit deeper and think
(03:31:01) (Raleigh) :)
(03:31:17) (ron) sorry, moving on...
(03:31:44) (ron) talking too much today...i must be possessed
(03:31:48) (ron) Q.7. Please explain why the Master in many cases forgave sins in healing individuals.
(03:32:15) (ron) A.7. Sins are of commission and omission. Sins of commission were forgiven, while sins of omission were called to mind, even by the Master.
(03:32:30) (Diane) To remove from them the burden of sin. And it IS a burden
(03:32:50) (ron) that is the end of this chapter...ok to stop now?
(03:33:12) (ron) we can take a break and then take up something else for a little bit
(03:33:20) (@miketrueeagle) K RON
(03:33:27) (Diane) TY ron.
(03:33:39) (Raleigh) your choice guy/
(03:34:04) (Raleigh) i feel tons better ron / ty for the class i needed /
(03:34:24) (Diane) Nice to hear that Ral, very nice
