Post by WalksInSpirit on Jan 26, 2007 21:01:23 GMT -5
NDEs & Astrology: 01-26-07
ron says: The NDE and Astrology: Kevin Williams' research conclusions
ron says: Astrology is a system of thought concerning the connections between external reality and internal reality. A famous saying among the ancients who studied the stars is: As above, so below.
ron says: They believed the study of the stars is a study of the inner workings of the human mind. Astrology literally means the science of the stars. The notion of the zodiac is very ancient, with roots in the early cited cultures of Mesopotamia around 2900 B.C.
ron says: The following are insights concerning astrology from near-death experiencers profiled on this website.
ron says: Carl Jung's NDE and Astrology Connection
ron says: The NDE and Astrology: Kevin Williams' research conclusions
ron says: Astrology is a system of thought concerning the connections between external reality and internal reality. A famous saying among the ancients who studied the stars is: As above, so below.
ron says: They believed the study of the stars is a study of the inner workings of the human mind. Astrology literally means the science of the stars. The notion of the zodiac is very ancient, with roots in the early cited cultures of Mesopotamia around 2900 B.C.
ron says: Carl Jung's NDE and Astrology Connection
ron says: Carl Jung, the world-renowned psychologist who had a near-death experience, believed that when people are born, or when anything happens, the influence of the planets are exerted on them. As such, Jung believed astrology is a symbolic system that works through synchronicity, a term coined by Jung.
ron says: Synchronicity is the belief that everything in the universe is interrelated and that what occurs can be understood as a pattern of meaningful coincidences. Jung's near-death experience was a major influence on his life and work.
ron says: (1) In 1944, Jung had a heart attack, which resulted in a near-death experience. His vivid encounter with the light, plus the intensely meaningful insights he received, helped Jung develop his ideas on the archetypes of the collective unconscious and how it relates to concepts found in astrology. Jung's experiences and knowledge led him to create the field of analytical psychology.
ron says: 2) Jung did an analysis of astrology to determine its place in synchronicity. He studied 483 married couples and noted the astrological connections between the birth dates of married couples. These findings concluded that long lasting relationships had a certain astrological pattern which were found to be three times higher than the rate of coincidence.
ron says: Also astounding was the fact that the couples whom astrologers would interpret as being the most conducive to marriage were the couples whose astrological pattern occurred most frequently.
ron says: The pattern that astrologers interpret as least conducive to marriage occurred least often among the couples. Jung calculated the odds of the this result occurring randomly is 1 in 62,500,000. Jung believed incidents like these are the result of synchronicity. (Carl Jung)
ron says: The Science of Astrology
ron says: A recent episode of the television program, Unsolved Mysteries, profiled a segment concerning an experiment in astrology. The producers of the show had twenty astrological birth charts from people at random. Included with the twenty astrological charts, the producers put the astrological charts of four serial killers:
ron says: Jeffrey Dahmer, David Son of Sam Berkowitz, David the Night Stalker Ramirez, and Ed Kemper. These astrological charts were given to Carolyn Reynolds, a well-known astrologer, to see if she can glean any information from them.
ron says: Without knowing the identity of the people whose charts she was analyzing, Carolyn Reynolds successfully identified the four people as possible serial killers. She was also able to give other specific information about these serial killers that proved correct. She was able to do all this just by analyzing their astrological birth chart.
ron says: A similar experiment was done by other people with a different set of people and a different group of serial killers. The astrologer who evaluated their birth charts without knowing who they were, was Edna Rowland, another professional astrologer. They came up with similar results and published their findings in a book entitled, Destined for Murder: Profiles of Six Serial Killers With Astrological Commentary.
ron says: Perhaps someday, science will be able prove conclusively that astrology is a scientific fact. Until then, it will remain a scientific theory, much like the survival of consciousness after death. (Kevin Williams)
ron says: The Twelve Signs of the NDE Zodiac
ron says: There is an astrological connection between the Beings of Light, the near-death experiencer, and the near-death experience itself. This astrological connection can best be seen in those NDEs where the experience appears before the Being of Light and a group of other light beings.
ron says: Experiencers have referred to this group by different names: a council of men, or a Council of Elders, or council, or Elders, or something similar to this. This council usually consists of twelve Beings of Light are representatives of the twelve signs of the zodiac and/or the twelve apostles of Jesus.
ron says: This astrological connection becomes apparent when an experiencer undergoes a life review or special encounter with others usually for the purpose of learning about their destiny or a prophecy.
ron says: Dannion Brinkley and the Twelve Beings of Light:
ron says: Dannion was led to a heavenly cathedral by a Being of Light. There he met twelve more Beings of Light whom represented the zodiac:
ron says: I was able to count the beings as they stood behind the podium. There were thirteen of them, standing shoulder to shoulder and stretched across the stage. I was aware of other things about them, too, probably through some form of telepathy. Each one of them represented a different emotional and psychological characteristic that all humans have.
ron says: For example, one of these beings was intense and passionate, while another was artistic and emotional. One was bold and energetic, yet another possessive and loyal. In human terms, it was as though each one represented a different sign of the zodiac. In spiritual terms, these beings went far beyond the signs of the zodiac. They emanated these emotions in such a way that I could feel them. (Dannion Brinkley)
ron says: Betty Eadie and the Council of Twelve Elders:
ron says: Jesus led Betty before a Council of men who decided to reveal to Betty her mission in order to convince her to return to earth:
ron says: I was led to a room, which was exquisitely built and appointed. I entered and saw a group of men seated around the long side of a kidney-shaped table. I was led to stand in front of them within the indented portion of the table. One thing struck me almost immediately; there were twelve men here - men - but no women. The men radiated love for me, and I felt instantly at peace with them. They leaned together to consult with each other.
ron says: Then one of them spoke to me. He said that I had died prematurely and must return to earth. I felt them saying it was important that I return to earth, that I had a mission to fulfill, but I resisted it in my heart. This was my home, and I felt that nothing they could say would ever convince me to leave it. The men conferred again and asked me if I wanted to review my life ... I felt the love of the council come over me. (Betty Eadie)
ron says: Edgar Cayce and the Twelve Apostles of the Zodiac:
ron says: The following information reinforces the connection between the twelve signs of the zodiac, the twelve apostles of Jesus, and the twelve Elders of the Council.
ron says: (1) Edgar Cayce revealed through his near-death journeys that the twelve apostles of Christ were representatives of the twelve signs of the zodiac. He said the stars represent soul patterns, not experiences. The twelve signs of the zodiac are twelve patterns from which the soul chooses when coming into the earth realm.
ron says: They are like races - patterns of temperament, personality, etc. The star signs of the zodiac, for instance, influence people in subtle ways: by making some people bull-headed, or some people emotional, or some people timid, or some people introspective, based on the zodiac pattern chosen. [Reference 2823-1]
ron says: (2) Jesus stated that the twelve apostles would someday judge people in a heavenly tribunal (a Council?):
ron says: "Jesus said to them [the twelve], "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Matt. 19:28)
ron says: 3) Early Christians believed Jesus was the perfection of all the twelve heavenly constellations. He ruled over twelve disciples on earth and he rules over the twelve signs of the zodiac in the heavens.
ron says: The early Church leader Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.), in Excerpta ex Theodota, had no hesitation in equating the twelve disciples with the twelve signs of the zodiac, with Christ as the central sun ... By such reasoning, the body of Christ, through the numinous power of the zodiac, merges with the body of man, to become a single united symbol within the church."
ron says: Lynnclaire Dennis and the Circle of Twelve Elders:
ron says: During Lynnclaire Dennis' NDE, she entered into the Light of the Universal Life Source - God. In the light, she saw what she understood to be the "Pattern" of all life and was told that she was assigned to communicate to the world the message behind the Pattern. After her NDE, she would have recurring dreams of the Pattern and would be able to bring more subconscious memories of it into her consciousness.
ron says: During Lynnclaire Dennis' NDE, she entered into the Light of the Universal Life Source - God. In the light, she saw what she understood to be the "Pattern" of all life and was told that she was assigned to communicate to the world the message behind the Pattern. After her NDE, she would have recurring dreams of the Pattern and would be able to bring more subconscious memories of it into her consciousness.
ron says: The pattern eventually caught the eye of quantum physicists because of its compatibility with the knotted pattern of 10-dimensional space in SuperString physics and its possible solution to the so-called Theory of Everything - the holy grail of all physics.
ron says: The Pattern consists of twelve pieces surrounded by an unbroken line creating seven bridges within it. The mathematical name for it is a Fourier Trefoil knot. The following is the interesting connection between this twelve-piece Pattern and the Council of twelve elders:
ron says: Along with having recurring dreams of the Pattern, Lynnclaire also has recurring dreams of a "circle of twelve elders," one of whom is Asian and currently living in the flesh. In 1996, she visited China at the invitation of a scientist named Steve Bryson and within hours of arriving there, she was introduced to a man whom she recognized as the Asian elder.
ron says: She is currently working with the Gorbachev Foundation and has found doors opening to diplomatic circles in many countries. She views the metaphysical meaning behind the Pattern as a potential tool for negotiation. World-renowned University of Illinois mathematician Dr.
ron says: Louis Kauffman had this to say about the unifying principle behind the Pattern:
ron says: "The fact that you can see many different forms in it as you turn it around makes it very beautiful for teaching purposes. You can say to people, 'Here is something that if you look at it one way shows you the Star of David, and if you turn it another way shows you the Yin-Yang, and if you turn it again you see the crescents sacred to Islam, the symbol for infinity, and the conventional image of an atom.
ron says: And they're really all the same thing.' Mathematics is slowly teasing out those kinds of patternings by stepping carefully and slowly through various structures that give rise to puzzles. Those puzzles become centers of attention for people, and from them we begin to understand how everything is knitted together in the universe."
ron says: Perhaps the Council of Elders from the NDE dimension are doing more than just trying to give us the mathematical solution to the Grand Unified Theory of Everything. Perhaps they are also trying to give us the religious, cultural, political and metaphysical proof that we are indeed connected, one, and the same. (Kevin Williams)
ron says: Sylvia Browne and the Council of Elders:
ron says: Through her near-death experience and subsequent psychic abilities, Sylvia learned that upon death, most people go through a heavenly process before entering into heaven. Part of that process is going before a Council of Elders:
ron says: Another beautiful structure is the Hall of Justice where people go before a Council of Elders who are highly advanced spokespersons of God who help us decide how we are to progress further into the spirit realm. At some point, people recognize the need for even further advancement and therefore choose to return to earth to gain this spiritual advancement.
mike_true_eagle says: another term.. a life in review !
ron says: Another beautiful structure is the Hall of Justice where people go before a Council of Elders who are highly advanced spokespersons of God who help us decide how we are to progress further into the spirit realm. At some point, people recognize the need for even further advancement and therefore choose to return to earth to gain this spiritual advancement. With the help of a spirit guide, they decide on an incarnation which will meet their goals.
ron says: They then proceed to the Hall of Justice where they meet once again with the Council of Elders. Here, the Council prepares people for their next incarnation. When they are ready to incarnate, their family and friends are gathered together to bid farewell. (Sylvia Browne)
ron says: Dr. Michael Newton and the Council of Elders:
ron says: Dr. Newton's important research into hypnotic regression into past life memories led him to the discovery of memories of experiences in out-of-body dimensions between earth lives. After a multitude of regressions, Newton realized that a process exists after death where people appear before a Council of Elders:
ron says: After souls arrive back into their soul groups, they are summoned to appear before a Council of Elders. While the Council is not prosecutorial, they do engage in direct examination of a soul's activities before returning them to their groups. Upon returning to earth, one of the last requirements before embarkation for many souls is to go before the Council of Elders for the second time.
ron says: The spirit world is an environment personified by order and the Elders want to reinforce the significance of a soul's goals for the next life. Some return to their spirit group after this meeting to say goodbye while others say they leave immediately for reincarnation.
ron says: Those souls getting ready for embarkation to earth are like battle-hardened veterans girding themselves for combat. This is the last chance for souls to enjoy the omniscience of knowing just who they are before they must adapt to a new body. (Dr. Michael Newton)
ron says: Betty Andreasson's experience with the Elders and the One:
ron says: Betty's alien abduction involved an event where otherworldly beings she called Elders induced her into having a near-death experience. Here is how she describes these Elders:
ron says: They were human-looking except for their size, being about seven feet tall; they were dressed in long white robes, had pale-colored skin, and hair that was blond to white. In a word, they looked exactly like the Christian image of angels, except that they had no wings. Betty called these beings the Elders, after the Christian term used especially in the Book of Revelation, denoting the angelic beings surrounding the throne of God. (Betty Andreasson)
ron says: Betty also mentioned that the Elders and aliens would transform into Beings of Light on occasions.
ron says: Brian Krebs and the Twelve Beings of Knowledge:
ron says: During Brian's NDE, he was given information about the past, the present and the future from twelve otherworldly Beings of Light who have similarities to the Elders found in Betty's UFO NDE and Dannion Brinkley's Beings who represented different signs of the zodiac.
ron says: I then went to twelve beings of greater knowledge. They were in front of me and stood in a row. They were not human. They had no feelings of anything like judgment or authority, but seemed strong in themselves. They seemed taller than me and they wore silver white robes. They had white skin, large heads and large eyes. I do not remember them having mouths. Above them was a spirit.
ron says: It was like a star as we see one from earth, but in size it appeared the same size as the heads of the beings. The spirit went to my left and hovered above the first being. I remember it was like a video of knowledge that sprung from the beings' hands, which were held in front of them. Each being had something to relate.
ron says: They opened the knowledge they had when the spirit moved above them. The last told me what I could do if I came back and the significance of it. I only remember seeing a young man with his head held back in pain as if his neck was injured. I said, "Oh! Aaron! My son!" They said, "No, not that son." And I realized who they meant. (In 1978, my only other child was born, a son). (Brian Krebs)
ron says: The Apostle John's journey to heaven before the Throne of Elders:
ron says: In the Book of Revelation in the Bible, John is taken into heaven before Jesus and twenty-four Elders on thrones. Twelve of the Elders certainly must represent the twelve apostles as has already been established. The identity of the other twelve Elders could be the twelve Angels mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Both references are as follows:
ron says: After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this." At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.
ron says: And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne. Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four Elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.
ron says: From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God. Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. (Rev. 4:1-6)
ron says: During John's experience in heaven, he is shown a vision of the future when the heavenly city comes to earth. In his description of this city, notice the connection between the twelve apostles and the twelve angels.
ron says: It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel ... The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (Rev 21:12-14)
ron says: Black Elk's Council of Six Grandfathers and Six Implied Fathers:
ron says: During Black Elk's NDE, he went before a council of six old grandfathers whom he described as "older than men can ever be - old like hills, old like stars." Because these six beings represent grandfathers, it might be implied that there are also six fathers that go with these six grandfathers but are not mentioned. Nevertheless, Black Elk's NDE encounter with a council of men who are representatives of archetypal powers.
ron says: The oldest grandfather welcomed the boy and said: "Your grandfathers all over the world are having a council, and they have called you here to teach you." His voice was very kind, but the boy shook all over with fear now, for he knew that these were not old men, but the Powers of the World. Each grandfather gave Black Elk a power. The first grandfather gave him the power to heal. The second grandfather then gave the boy the power of cleansing.
ron says: The third grandfather gave the boy the power of awakening and its peace. From the fourth grandfather the boy was given the power of growth. The fifth grandfather, the Spirit of the Sky, gave the power of transcendent vision. The sixth grandfather, a very old man, incredibly grew backwards into youth until he became the boy, Black Elk. Growing older again he said, "My boy, have courage, for my power shall be yours, and you shall need it, for your nation on the earth will have great troubles."
ron says: Then the boy hears a great Voice say: "Behold the circle of the nation's hoop, for it is holy, being endless, and thus all powers shall be one power in the people without end." Then Black Elk, standing on the highest mountain, surveying the grand vista of the hoop of the world, said:
ron says: "I saw more than I can tell and I understood more than I saw; for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of all things in the spirit, and the shape of all shapes as they must live together like one being." (Black Elk)
ron says: The Afterlife Realms As Planetary Dimensions
ron says: Near-death experiences support the ancient astrological concept of planetary/afterlife realms. The following are some examples.
ron says: David Oakford's experience with planetary/afterlife realms:
ron says: We traveled past all of the planets in our solar system. Near each planet I could hear the energy just like on earth. I saw the auras around each one of them too. I saw spirits on all of them as well. My friend told me that all planets are places for spirits to live, learn and thus evolve. I saw great cities on each and every one of those planets ...
ron says: The being told me that each planet has a theme for learning and that any of them can be chosen by a soul when we are between physical lives. He said we practice on the other planets to be ready to live on earth. He said earth is the ultimate experience for a soul. It is ultimate because our souls evolve faster here than anywhere else.
ron says: It was said that the lessons we need to learn are difficult to learn without having a physical form. (David Oakford)
ron says: Edgar Cayce's experiences with planetary/afterlife realms:
ron says: The following is a brief summary of Cayce's astrological revelations based on his near-death experiences:
ron says: Reality is multi-dimensional. We are multi-dimensional beings who exist simultaneously in a multi-dimensional reality. Long ago, our bodies evolved from primates. Even longer ago, our minds evolved from the stars. But before the universe began, our spirits existed forever as part of the divine in higher dimensions. At the conscious (physical) level, our bodies are like a miniature replica of the solar system.
ron says: Our hearts perform the function of the sun - the center of the system. Other organs within our body are also used by our souls to find a means of expression. The planets exert astrological vibrations upon our bodies that influence our personalities and soul patterns. At the subconscious (soul) level, the solar system is our larger body.
ron says: We are connected to the planets, the stars, spiritual realms and entities. On the superconscious (spirit) level, we are one with the Whole. At this level, we are on a conscious level with all there is - the divine.
ron says: Solar systems were created for our souls to have cycles of life experiences for the purpose of spiritual advancement. The universe can be thought of as a gigantic university and each solar system as a college. Each planet is like a particular classroom - a realm - where souls can learn lessons related to that particular realm. The universe is the third dimension in the hierarchy and represents three-dimensional life.
ron says: Reality is multi-dimensional. We are multi-dimensional beings who exist simultaneously in a multi-dimensional reality. Long ago, our bodies evolved from primates. Even longer ago, our minds evolved from the stars. But before the universe began, our spirits existed forever as part of the divine in higher dimensions. At the conscious (physical) level, our bodies are like a miniature replica of the solar system.
ron says: Our hearts perform the function of the sun - the center of the system. Other organs within our body are also used by our souls to find a means of expression. The planets exert astrological vibrations upon our bodies that influence our personalities and soul patterns.
ron says: At the subconscious (soul) level, the solar system is our larger body. We are connected to the planets, the stars, spiritual realms and entities. On the superconscious (spirit) level, we are one with the Whole. At this level, we are on a conscious level with all there is - the divine.
ron says: Astrology is a system of thought concerning the connections between external reality and internal reality. A famous saying among the ancients who studied the stars is: As above, so below.
ron says: They believed the study of the stars is a study of the inner workings of the human mind. Astrology literally means the science of the stars. The notion of the zodiac is very ancient, with roots in the early cited cultures of Mesopotamia around 2900 B.C.
ron says: The following are insights concerning astrology from near-death experiencers profiled on this website.
ron says: Carl Jung's NDE and Astrology Connection
ron says: The NDE and Astrology: Kevin Williams' research conclusions
ron says: Astrology is a system of thought concerning the connections between external reality and internal reality. A famous saying among the ancients who studied the stars is: As above, so below.
ron says: They believed the study of the stars is a study of the inner workings of the human mind. Astrology literally means the science of the stars. The notion of the zodiac is very ancient, with roots in the early cited cultures of Mesopotamia around 2900 B.C.
ron says: Carl Jung's NDE and Astrology Connection
ron says: Carl Jung, the world-renowned psychologist who had a near-death experience, believed that when people are born, or when anything happens, the influence of the planets are exerted on them. As such, Jung believed astrology is a symbolic system that works through synchronicity, a term coined by Jung.
ron says: Synchronicity is the belief that everything in the universe is interrelated and that what occurs can be understood as a pattern of meaningful coincidences. Jung's near-death experience was a major influence on his life and work.
ron says: (1) In 1944, Jung had a heart attack, which resulted in a near-death experience. His vivid encounter with the light, plus the intensely meaningful insights he received, helped Jung develop his ideas on the archetypes of the collective unconscious and how it relates to concepts found in astrology. Jung's experiences and knowledge led him to create the field of analytical psychology.
ron says: 2) Jung did an analysis of astrology to determine its place in synchronicity. He studied 483 married couples and noted the astrological connections between the birth dates of married couples. These findings concluded that long lasting relationships had a certain astrological pattern which were found to be three times higher than the rate of coincidence.
ron says: Also astounding was the fact that the couples whom astrologers would interpret as being the most conducive to marriage were the couples whose astrological pattern occurred most frequently.
ron says: The pattern that astrologers interpret as least conducive to marriage occurred least often among the couples. Jung calculated the odds of the this result occurring randomly is 1 in 62,500,000. Jung believed incidents like these are the result of synchronicity. (Carl Jung)
ron says: The Science of Astrology
ron says: A recent episode of the television program, Unsolved Mysteries, profiled a segment concerning an experiment in astrology. The producers of the show had twenty astrological birth charts from people at random. Included with the twenty astrological charts, the producers put the astrological charts of four serial killers:
ron says: Jeffrey Dahmer, David Son of Sam Berkowitz, David the Night Stalker Ramirez, and Ed Kemper. These astrological charts were given to Carolyn Reynolds, a well-known astrologer, to see if she can glean any information from them.
ron says: Without knowing the identity of the people whose charts she was analyzing, Carolyn Reynolds successfully identified the four people as possible serial killers. She was also able to give other specific information about these serial killers that proved correct. She was able to do all this just by analyzing their astrological birth chart.
ron says: A similar experiment was done by other people with a different set of people and a different group of serial killers. The astrologer who evaluated their birth charts without knowing who they were, was Edna Rowland, another professional astrologer. They came up with similar results and published their findings in a book entitled, Destined for Murder: Profiles of Six Serial Killers With Astrological Commentary.
ron says: Perhaps someday, science will be able prove conclusively that astrology is a scientific fact. Until then, it will remain a scientific theory, much like the survival of consciousness after death. (Kevin Williams)
ron says: The Twelve Signs of the NDE Zodiac
ron says: There is an astrological connection between the Beings of Light, the near-death experiencer, and the near-death experience itself. This astrological connection can best be seen in those NDEs where the experience appears before the Being of Light and a group of other light beings.
ron says: Experiencers have referred to this group by different names: a council of men, or a Council of Elders, or council, or Elders, or something similar to this. This council usually consists of twelve Beings of Light are representatives of the twelve signs of the zodiac and/or the twelve apostles of Jesus.
ron says: This astrological connection becomes apparent when an experiencer undergoes a life review or special encounter with others usually for the purpose of learning about their destiny or a prophecy.
ron says: Dannion Brinkley and the Twelve Beings of Light:
ron says: Dannion was led to a heavenly cathedral by a Being of Light. There he met twelve more Beings of Light whom represented the zodiac:
ron says: I was able to count the beings as they stood behind the podium. There were thirteen of them, standing shoulder to shoulder and stretched across the stage. I was aware of other things about them, too, probably through some form of telepathy. Each one of them represented a different emotional and psychological characteristic that all humans have.
ron says: For example, one of these beings was intense and passionate, while another was artistic and emotional. One was bold and energetic, yet another possessive and loyal. In human terms, it was as though each one represented a different sign of the zodiac. In spiritual terms, these beings went far beyond the signs of the zodiac. They emanated these emotions in such a way that I could feel them. (Dannion Brinkley)
ron says: Betty Eadie and the Council of Twelve Elders:
ron says: Jesus led Betty before a Council of men who decided to reveal to Betty her mission in order to convince her to return to earth:
ron says: I was led to a room, which was exquisitely built and appointed. I entered and saw a group of men seated around the long side of a kidney-shaped table. I was led to stand in front of them within the indented portion of the table. One thing struck me almost immediately; there were twelve men here - men - but no women. The men radiated love for me, and I felt instantly at peace with them. They leaned together to consult with each other.
ron says: Then one of them spoke to me. He said that I had died prematurely and must return to earth. I felt them saying it was important that I return to earth, that I had a mission to fulfill, but I resisted it in my heart. This was my home, and I felt that nothing they could say would ever convince me to leave it. The men conferred again and asked me if I wanted to review my life ... I felt the love of the council come over me. (Betty Eadie)
ron says: Edgar Cayce and the Twelve Apostles of the Zodiac:
ron says: The following information reinforces the connection between the twelve signs of the zodiac, the twelve apostles of Jesus, and the twelve Elders of the Council.
ron says: (1) Edgar Cayce revealed through his near-death journeys that the twelve apostles of Christ were representatives of the twelve signs of the zodiac. He said the stars represent soul patterns, not experiences. The twelve signs of the zodiac are twelve patterns from which the soul chooses when coming into the earth realm.
ron says: They are like races - patterns of temperament, personality, etc. The star signs of the zodiac, for instance, influence people in subtle ways: by making some people bull-headed, or some people emotional, or some people timid, or some people introspective, based on the zodiac pattern chosen. [Reference 2823-1]
ron says: (2) Jesus stated that the twelve apostles would someday judge people in a heavenly tribunal (a Council?):
ron says: "Jesus said to them [the twelve], "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Matt. 19:28)
ron says: 3) Early Christians believed Jesus was the perfection of all the twelve heavenly constellations. He ruled over twelve disciples on earth and he rules over the twelve signs of the zodiac in the heavens.
ron says: The early Church leader Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.), in Excerpta ex Theodota, had no hesitation in equating the twelve disciples with the twelve signs of the zodiac, with Christ as the central sun ... By such reasoning, the body of Christ, through the numinous power of the zodiac, merges with the body of man, to become a single united symbol within the church."
ron says: Lynnclaire Dennis and the Circle of Twelve Elders:
ron says: During Lynnclaire Dennis' NDE, she entered into the Light of the Universal Life Source - God. In the light, she saw what she understood to be the "Pattern" of all life and was told that she was assigned to communicate to the world the message behind the Pattern. After her NDE, she would have recurring dreams of the Pattern and would be able to bring more subconscious memories of it into her consciousness.
ron says: During Lynnclaire Dennis' NDE, she entered into the Light of the Universal Life Source - God. In the light, she saw what she understood to be the "Pattern" of all life and was told that she was assigned to communicate to the world the message behind the Pattern. After her NDE, she would have recurring dreams of the Pattern and would be able to bring more subconscious memories of it into her consciousness.
ron says: The pattern eventually caught the eye of quantum physicists because of its compatibility with the knotted pattern of 10-dimensional space in SuperString physics and its possible solution to the so-called Theory of Everything - the holy grail of all physics.
ron says: The Pattern consists of twelve pieces surrounded by an unbroken line creating seven bridges within it. The mathematical name for it is a Fourier Trefoil knot. The following is the interesting connection between this twelve-piece Pattern and the Council of twelve elders:
ron says: Along with having recurring dreams of the Pattern, Lynnclaire also has recurring dreams of a "circle of twelve elders," one of whom is Asian and currently living in the flesh. In 1996, she visited China at the invitation of a scientist named Steve Bryson and within hours of arriving there, she was introduced to a man whom she recognized as the Asian elder.
ron says: She is currently working with the Gorbachev Foundation and has found doors opening to diplomatic circles in many countries. She views the metaphysical meaning behind the Pattern as a potential tool for negotiation. World-renowned University of Illinois mathematician Dr.
ron says: Louis Kauffman had this to say about the unifying principle behind the Pattern:
ron says: "The fact that you can see many different forms in it as you turn it around makes it very beautiful for teaching purposes. You can say to people, 'Here is something that if you look at it one way shows you the Star of David, and if you turn it another way shows you the Yin-Yang, and if you turn it again you see the crescents sacred to Islam, the symbol for infinity, and the conventional image of an atom.
ron says: And they're really all the same thing.' Mathematics is slowly teasing out those kinds of patternings by stepping carefully and slowly through various structures that give rise to puzzles. Those puzzles become centers of attention for people, and from them we begin to understand how everything is knitted together in the universe."
ron says: Perhaps the Council of Elders from the NDE dimension are doing more than just trying to give us the mathematical solution to the Grand Unified Theory of Everything. Perhaps they are also trying to give us the religious, cultural, political and metaphysical proof that we are indeed connected, one, and the same. (Kevin Williams)
ron says: Sylvia Browne and the Council of Elders:
ron says: Through her near-death experience and subsequent psychic abilities, Sylvia learned that upon death, most people go through a heavenly process before entering into heaven. Part of that process is going before a Council of Elders:
ron says: Another beautiful structure is the Hall of Justice where people go before a Council of Elders who are highly advanced spokespersons of God who help us decide how we are to progress further into the spirit realm. At some point, people recognize the need for even further advancement and therefore choose to return to earth to gain this spiritual advancement.
mike_true_eagle says: another term.. a life in review !
ron says: Another beautiful structure is the Hall of Justice where people go before a Council of Elders who are highly advanced spokespersons of God who help us decide how we are to progress further into the spirit realm. At some point, people recognize the need for even further advancement and therefore choose to return to earth to gain this spiritual advancement. With the help of a spirit guide, they decide on an incarnation which will meet their goals.
ron says: They then proceed to the Hall of Justice where they meet once again with the Council of Elders. Here, the Council prepares people for their next incarnation. When they are ready to incarnate, their family and friends are gathered together to bid farewell. (Sylvia Browne)
ron says: Dr. Michael Newton and the Council of Elders:
ron says: Dr. Newton's important research into hypnotic regression into past life memories led him to the discovery of memories of experiences in out-of-body dimensions between earth lives. After a multitude of regressions, Newton realized that a process exists after death where people appear before a Council of Elders:
ron says: After souls arrive back into their soul groups, they are summoned to appear before a Council of Elders. While the Council is not prosecutorial, they do engage in direct examination of a soul's activities before returning them to their groups. Upon returning to earth, one of the last requirements before embarkation for many souls is to go before the Council of Elders for the second time.
ron says: The spirit world is an environment personified by order and the Elders want to reinforce the significance of a soul's goals for the next life. Some return to their spirit group after this meeting to say goodbye while others say they leave immediately for reincarnation.
ron says: Those souls getting ready for embarkation to earth are like battle-hardened veterans girding themselves for combat. This is the last chance for souls to enjoy the omniscience of knowing just who they are before they must adapt to a new body. (Dr. Michael Newton)
ron says: Betty Andreasson's experience with the Elders and the One:
ron says: Betty's alien abduction involved an event where otherworldly beings she called Elders induced her into having a near-death experience. Here is how she describes these Elders:
ron says: They were human-looking except for their size, being about seven feet tall; they were dressed in long white robes, had pale-colored skin, and hair that was blond to white. In a word, they looked exactly like the Christian image of angels, except that they had no wings. Betty called these beings the Elders, after the Christian term used especially in the Book of Revelation, denoting the angelic beings surrounding the throne of God. (Betty Andreasson)
ron says: Betty also mentioned that the Elders and aliens would transform into Beings of Light on occasions.
ron says: Brian Krebs and the Twelve Beings of Knowledge:
ron says: During Brian's NDE, he was given information about the past, the present and the future from twelve otherworldly Beings of Light who have similarities to the Elders found in Betty's UFO NDE and Dannion Brinkley's Beings who represented different signs of the zodiac.
ron says: I then went to twelve beings of greater knowledge. They were in front of me and stood in a row. They were not human. They had no feelings of anything like judgment or authority, but seemed strong in themselves. They seemed taller than me and they wore silver white robes. They had white skin, large heads and large eyes. I do not remember them having mouths. Above them was a spirit.
ron says: It was like a star as we see one from earth, but in size it appeared the same size as the heads of the beings. The spirit went to my left and hovered above the first being. I remember it was like a video of knowledge that sprung from the beings' hands, which were held in front of them. Each being had something to relate.
ron says: They opened the knowledge they had when the spirit moved above them. The last told me what I could do if I came back and the significance of it. I only remember seeing a young man with his head held back in pain as if his neck was injured. I said, "Oh! Aaron! My son!" They said, "No, not that son." And I realized who they meant. (In 1978, my only other child was born, a son). (Brian Krebs)
ron says: The Apostle John's journey to heaven before the Throne of Elders:
ron says: In the Book of Revelation in the Bible, John is taken into heaven before Jesus and twenty-four Elders on thrones. Twelve of the Elders certainly must represent the twelve apostles as has already been established. The identity of the other twelve Elders could be the twelve Angels mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Both references are as follows:
ron says: After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this." At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.
ron says: And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne. Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four Elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.
ron says: From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God. Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. (Rev. 4:1-6)
ron says: During John's experience in heaven, he is shown a vision of the future when the heavenly city comes to earth. In his description of this city, notice the connection between the twelve apostles and the twelve angels.
ron says: It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel ... The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (Rev 21:12-14)
ron says: Black Elk's Council of Six Grandfathers and Six Implied Fathers:
ron says: During Black Elk's NDE, he went before a council of six old grandfathers whom he described as "older than men can ever be - old like hills, old like stars." Because these six beings represent grandfathers, it might be implied that there are also six fathers that go with these six grandfathers but are not mentioned. Nevertheless, Black Elk's NDE encounter with a council of men who are representatives of archetypal powers.
ron says: The oldest grandfather welcomed the boy and said: "Your grandfathers all over the world are having a council, and they have called you here to teach you." His voice was very kind, but the boy shook all over with fear now, for he knew that these were not old men, but the Powers of the World. Each grandfather gave Black Elk a power. The first grandfather gave him the power to heal. The second grandfather then gave the boy the power of cleansing.
ron says: The third grandfather gave the boy the power of awakening and its peace. From the fourth grandfather the boy was given the power of growth. The fifth grandfather, the Spirit of the Sky, gave the power of transcendent vision. The sixth grandfather, a very old man, incredibly grew backwards into youth until he became the boy, Black Elk. Growing older again he said, "My boy, have courage, for my power shall be yours, and you shall need it, for your nation on the earth will have great troubles."
ron says: Then the boy hears a great Voice say: "Behold the circle of the nation's hoop, for it is holy, being endless, and thus all powers shall be one power in the people without end." Then Black Elk, standing on the highest mountain, surveying the grand vista of the hoop of the world, said:
ron says: "I saw more than I can tell and I understood more than I saw; for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of all things in the spirit, and the shape of all shapes as they must live together like one being." (Black Elk)
ron says: The Afterlife Realms As Planetary Dimensions
ron says: Near-death experiences support the ancient astrological concept of planetary/afterlife realms. The following are some examples.
ron says: David Oakford's experience with planetary/afterlife realms:
ron says: We traveled past all of the planets in our solar system. Near each planet I could hear the energy just like on earth. I saw the auras around each one of them too. I saw spirits on all of them as well. My friend told me that all planets are places for spirits to live, learn and thus evolve. I saw great cities on each and every one of those planets ...
ron says: The being told me that each planet has a theme for learning and that any of them can be chosen by a soul when we are between physical lives. He said we practice on the other planets to be ready to live on earth. He said earth is the ultimate experience for a soul. It is ultimate because our souls evolve faster here than anywhere else.
ron says: It was said that the lessons we need to learn are difficult to learn without having a physical form. (David Oakford)
ron says: Edgar Cayce's experiences with planetary/afterlife realms:
ron says: The following is a brief summary of Cayce's astrological revelations based on his near-death experiences:
ron says: Reality is multi-dimensional. We are multi-dimensional beings who exist simultaneously in a multi-dimensional reality. Long ago, our bodies evolved from primates. Even longer ago, our minds evolved from the stars. But before the universe began, our spirits existed forever as part of the divine in higher dimensions. At the conscious (physical) level, our bodies are like a miniature replica of the solar system.
ron says: Our hearts perform the function of the sun - the center of the system. Other organs within our body are also used by our souls to find a means of expression. The planets exert astrological vibrations upon our bodies that influence our personalities and soul patterns. At the subconscious (soul) level, the solar system is our larger body.
ron says: We are connected to the planets, the stars, spiritual realms and entities. On the superconscious (spirit) level, we are one with the Whole. At this level, we are on a conscious level with all there is - the divine.
ron says: Solar systems were created for our souls to have cycles of life experiences for the purpose of spiritual advancement. The universe can be thought of as a gigantic university and each solar system as a college. Each planet is like a particular classroom - a realm - where souls can learn lessons related to that particular realm. The universe is the third dimension in the hierarchy and represents three-dimensional life.
ron says: Reality is multi-dimensional. We are multi-dimensional beings who exist simultaneously in a multi-dimensional reality. Long ago, our bodies evolved from primates. Even longer ago, our minds evolved from the stars. But before the universe began, our spirits existed forever as part of the divine in higher dimensions. At the conscious (physical) level, our bodies are like a miniature replica of the solar system.
ron says: Our hearts perform the function of the sun - the center of the system. Other organs within our body are also used by our souls to find a means of expression. The planets exert astrological vibrations upon our bodies that influence our personalities and soul patterns.
ron says: At the subconscious (soul) level, the solar system is our larger body. We are connected to the planets, the stars, spiritual realms and entities. On the superconscious (spirit) level, we are one with the Whole. At this level, we are on a conscious level with all there is - the divine.