Post by WalksInSpirit on Nov 12, 2007 23:21:00 GMT -5
No Soul Left Behind: 11-12-07
(09:05:55) (@autogreeter) Good Evening. The Red Path Chat Room welcomes you to No Soul Left Behind Study, Hosted By GG (Lory).
(09:19:29) (HostLory-GG) Interesting stuff tonight.
(09:19:39) (maybelle) what is topic tonite??
(09:19:42) (HostLory-GG) No, not yet, maybelle
(09:19:54) (HostLory-GG) The Revelation
(09:23:49) (HostLory-GG) Chapter XIII “The Revelation” No Soul Left Behind
(09:24:37) (HostLory-GG) Cayce’s unorthodox philosophy, while basically Christian with a blend of Eastern mysticism, not only embraces reincarnation but also offers a much more positive interpretation of the final chapter of the Bible, the Revelation of Saint John the Divine, which fundamentalists cite to support their dire theology of tribulation and punishment of nonbelievers.
(09:25:23) (HostLory-GG) Everyone passes through personal tribulations, not as a penalty for wrongdoing, Cayce tells us, but in the normal course of soul growth on the pathway back to God.
(09:26:02) (HostLory-GG) Q: Many different translations of the Bible have appeared since the classic King James Version. Which version offers the nearest to the true meaning of both the New and the Old Testaments?
(09:26:47) (HostLory-GG) A: “The nearest true version for the entity is that you apply whatever version you read, in your life. It isn't that you learn from any one. You only may have the direction. The learning, the teaching is within self. For where has He promised to meet you? Within the temple!
(09:27:30) (HostLory-GG) Where is that temple? Within! Where is Heaven or earth? Within! Meet the Savior there. For He has promised. ‘I stand at the door ~~ open. If ye open, I will enter and sup with thee.’ Again, ‘If ye will open I will come in ~~ and I and the Father will abide with thee.’”
(09:28:23) (HostLory-GG) “There have been many versions . . . but remember that the whole gospel of Jesus Christ is: ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy mind, thy heart and thy body; and thy neighbor as thyself.’
(09:28:57) (HostLory-GG) Do this and you shall have eternal life. The rest of the book is trying to describe that. It is the same in any language, in any version.” 2072-14
(09:29:30) (HostLory-GG) Q: Historians tell us that the books of the New Testament describing the life and teachings of Jesus were written some fifty years after His crucifixion. As a journalist, I know how quickly even eye-witnesses forget details as time passes.
(09:30:01) (HostLory-GG) How can we have confidence that the accounts by Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are accurate, especially their direct quotations of Jesus?
(09:30:32) (HostLory-GG) A: “For from the very first of the Old Testament to the very last even of Revelation, He is not merely the subject of the book, He is the author in the greater part, having given to man the mind and the purpose for its having been put in print.
(09:31:10) (HostLory-GG) For it is in Him you live and move and have your being and as He gave, ‘Search ye the scriptures, for they be they that testify of me, and in them ye think ye has eternal life’”.
(09:31:36) (HostLory-GG) “If you know Him, you know that in Him you have eternal life, for He is the beginning and the end of all things.” 5322-1
(09:32:15) (HostLory-GG) Q: Some Christians who believe every word of the Bible to be literally true site the Book of Revelation as authority for their conviction that the end of the world is fast approaching and that only they, the true believers, will be gathered up into Heaven. Can you shed some light on this part of the scriptures?
(09:33:00) (HostLory-GG) A: “The Revelation is a description of, a possibility of, your own consciousness; and not as a historical fact, not as a fancy, but as what your own soul has sought throughout its experiences, through the phases of your abilities, the faculties of your mind and body, the emotions of all of your complex ~ as it may appear ~~ system.”
(09:33:34) (HostLory-GG) “And you will find peace, and an awakening ~~ beautiful!” 1473-1
(09:34:12) (HostLory-GG) Q: Can you be more specific about the meaning of such figures in Revelation as the various animals and the angels?
(09:34:58) (HostLory-GG) A: “Yes, we have the text written in the Revelation, as recorded in the King James Version of same. In making this worth while in the experience of individuals who are seeking for the light, for the revelation that may be theirs as promised in the promises of same, it would be well that there be considered first the conditions which surrounded the writer, the apostle [John] the beloved,
(09:35:42) (HostLory-GG) the last of those chosen; writing to a persecuted people, many despairing, many fallen away, yet, many seeking to hold to that which had been delivered to them through the efforts and activities of those upon whom the spirit had fallen by the very indwelling and the manifestations that had become the common knowledge of all.
(09:36:14) (HostLory-GG) You may ask questions or make comments at any time.
(09:36:27) (maybelle) well
(09:36:38) (HostLory-GG) Yes, maybelle?
(09:36:45) (maybelle) what are the manifestations that had become the common knowledge of all??
(09:37:27) (HostLory-GG) I believe the common knowledge of all that you refer to is that of the theologian philosophy, maybelle.
(09:37:32) (maybelle) or is this answered later??
(09:37:44) (maybelle) ok then
(09:38:08) (HostLory-GG) There are a lot of answers later and much of was surely an awakening for me.
(09:38:31) (HostLory-GG) I hope you like what you read and if you do not, let's discuss it.
(09:39:10) (HostLory-GG) “Remember, then, that Peter ~~ chosen as the rock, chosen to open the doors of what is known today as the church ~~ had said to this companion, ‘I will endeavor to keep thee in remembrance; even after my demise I will return to you.’” [II Peter 1:15]
(09:39:40) (HostLory-GG) “[John] the beloved, then, was banished to the isle [Patmos], and was in meditation, in prayer, in communion with those saints who were in that position to see, to comprehend the greater needs of those that would carry on.
(09:40:12) (HostLory-GG) And, as given in the beginning, ‘I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and beheld, and heard, and saw, and was told to write.’”
(09:40:42) (HostLory-GG) Q: If it was divinely inspired, why is Revelation so hard to understand?
(09:41:21) (HostLory-GG) A: “[For] the experience of every soul who seeks to know, to walk in, a closer communion with Him. For the visions, the experiences, the names, the churches, the places, the dragons, the cities, all are but emblems of those forces that may war within the individual
(09:41:51) (HostLory-GG) in its journey through the material, or from the entering into the material manifestation to the entering into the glory, or the awakening in the spirit, in the inter-between, in the borderland, in the shadow.”
(09:42:27) (HostLory-GG) “Hence we find, as the churches are named, they are the forces that are known as the senses, that must be spiritualized by the will of the individual made one in the very activities in a material world. And the elders and the Lamb are the emblems, are the shadows of those acceptances or rejections that are made in the experiences of the individual.” 281-16
(09:43:05) (HostLory-GG) Q: Why is it presented in the forms of symbols?
(09:43:38) (HostLory-GG) A: “These are for those that were, or will be, or may become, through the seeking, those initiated into an understanding of the glories that may be theirs if they will but put into work, into activity, what they know in the present.
(09:44:17) (HostLory-GG) In seeking, then, do individuals find from the beginning that there is presented, in every line, in every form, that good and bad [as termed] that arises from their activity, in what they do about that knowledge they have respecting law, love, mercy, understanding of the wherefore of the Lamb’s advent into the world that they, through His example set, may present themselves before that throne even as He, becoming ~~ as given ~~ heirs, joint heirs with Him, as the sons of God, to that everlasting glory that may be hand in Him.”
(09:45:16) (HostLory-GG) “Then, seek to know what self is lacking . . . in [your] self? Are you cold? Have you been negligent of the knowledge that is yours? Are you stiff-necked? Are you adulterous in thought, in act, in the very glories that are yours?” 281-16
(09:45:51) (HostLory-GG) Q: What about the so-called four horsemen of the Apocalypse?
(09:46:15) (HostLory-GG) A: “These we see, then, represent self, self's body-physical, self’s body-mental, self’s-spiritual; with the attributes of the body-physical, attributes of the body-mental, attributes of the body-spiritual, and they are one in you ~~ even as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is one in Him.” 281-16
(09:46:47) (merri) that's only 3
(09:46:57) (merri) what about the 4th
(09:47:28) (HostLory-GG) The 4th is body whole, merri.
(09:47:42) (ron1) our spiritual centers I suppose
(09:47:49) (ron1) the lower four
(09:48:07) (HostLory-GG) Q: What does the fall of Babylon mean?
(09:48:33) (HostLory-GG) A: “Babylon represented the individual; those periods through which every soul passes in its delving into the varied mysteries that are the experiences of the carnal-mental, the spiritual-mental forces of the body; and,
(09:49:08) (HostLory-GG) , as viewed from that presented, may come to the knowledge only through the cleansing that is shown must come to those that would be saved from the destructions that are given there.” 281-16
(09:49:45) (HostLory-GG) Q: Where are those who have passed on until Christ comes?
(09:50:01) (HostLory-GG) Does anyone care to answer this question?
(09:50:19) (ron1) Hovering around the earth
(09:50:33) (maybelle) where they want to be??
(09:50:36) (HostLory-GG) good answer
(09:50:42) (ron1) yes
(09:50:49) (HostLory-GG) both of them
(09:50:57) (merri) where they need to be
(09:51:00) (ron1) very good mabellene :)
(09:51:13) (ron1) and merri
(09:51:14) (merri) for further learning
(09:51:20) (maybelle) and ron
(09:51:20) (HostLory-GG) A: “As envisioned by [John] the beloved, there are those of the saints making intercession always before the throne for those that are passing in and out of the inter-between; even as He, the Christ, is ever the consciousness of those that are redeemed in Him.
(09:51:52) (HostLory-GG) The passing in, the passing out, is as but the summer, the fall, the spring; the birth into the interim, the birth into the material.” 281-16
(09:52:17) (HostLory-GG) Q: In what form will the anti-Christ appear?
(09:52:41) (HostLory-GG) A: “In the spirit of that opposed to the spirit of truth. The fruits of the spirit of the Christ are love, joy, obedience, long-suffering, brotherly love, kindness. Against such there is no law.
(09:53:05) (HostLory-GG) The spirit of hate, the anti-Christ, and take possession of groups, masses, and show themselves even in the lives of men.” 281-16
(09:53:25) (ron1) Thus, collective consciousness
(09:53:32) (ron1) a personification
(09:53:55) (HostLory-GG) Q: What are we to think about the belief of some Christians that we will be punished by “tribulation” that is bound to be horrific?
(09:54:13) (merri) so is the anti-Christ among us now?
(09:54:54) (maybelle) yes-i think so as selfishness...
(09:55:00) (ron1) In my view...
(09:55:27) (merri) what about the Muslims who adhere to death, destruction & hate?
(09:55:31) (ron1) yes...:(
(09:55:32) (HostLory-GG) I would say yes Merri. A: “That as built by self; as those emblematical influences are shown through the experiences of the beloved in that built, that created. For, each soul is a portion of creation ~~
(09:56:05) (ron1) But, one can look into the past and see this anti-Christ personification as well
(09:56:10) (maybelle) what about the Muslims who adhere to love?
(09:56:29) (HostLory-GG) ~~ and builds that in a portion of its experience that it, through its physical-mental or spiritual-mental, has built for itself. And each entity’s heaven or hell must, through some experience, be that which it has built for itself.
(09:56:36) (ron1) How can love and hate exist in one at the same time?
(09:56:49) (merri) not talking about those maybelle
(09:57:10) (merri) talking about the anti-Christ
(09:57:32) (merri) very true ron
(09:57:43) (merri) it's a repeat cycle it seems
(09:57:48) (HostLory-GG) The anti-Christ would dwell in all of anyone who does not obey God's law, wouldn't you think?
(09:58:01) (ron1) yes merri...some, or we, never learn
(09:58:14) (ron1) must do it the hard way, the long way to glory
(09:58:29) (HostLory-GG) And with tribulation, Ron.
(09:58:41) (ron1) yes Lory
(09:59:04) (HostLory-GG) “Is your hell one that is filled with fire or brimstone? But know, each and every soul is tried by fire; purified, purged; for He, though He were the Son, learned obedience through the things which He suffered. You also are known even as you do, and have done.” 281-16
(09:59:23) (merri) he does say one who incites the masses, Lory
(10:00:00) (HostLory-GG) Q: Conservative Christians talk about “the rapture” as though they, the faithful believers, will soon be taken bodily up into Heaven while those who do not subscribe to their belief are left behind to face the tribulation. The rapture appears to be a dubious doctrine originated by an English theologian who gained popularity among American evangelical preachers,
(10:00:02) (ron1) 'Not by faith alone, but by works...'
(10:00:38) (HostLory-GG) even though nowhere in the Bible is there any mention of the word Rapture. But tribulation is mentioned in the Scriptures and some fear for the unfaithful. What does tribulation mean?
(10:00:39) (ron1) For me that answers the above questions
(10:01:05) (ron1) right Lory
(10:01:08) (ron1) no rapture
(10:01:20) (ron1) a Medieval concept, or creation
(10:01:40) (HostLory-GG) A: “The great tribulation and periods of tribulation, as given, are the experiences of every soul, every entity. They arise from influences created by man through activity in the sphere of any sojourn. Man may become, with the people of the universe, ruler of any of the various spheres through which the soul passes in its experiences.
(10:02:24) (HostLory-GG) Hence, as the cycles pass, as the cycles are passing, when there is come a time, a period of readjusting in the spheres [as well as in the little earth, the little soul] ~~ seek, then, as known, to present self spotless before that throne; even as all are commanded to be circumspect, in thought, in act, to that which is held by self as that necessary for the closer walk with Him.
(10:02:53) (HostLory-GG) In that manner only may each atom [as man is an atom, or corpuscle, in the body of the Father] become a helpmeet with Him in bringing that to pass that all may be one with Him.” 281-16
(10:03:56) (HostLory-GG) Q: So, tribulation has to do with the hard times we all experience at different stages of our lives. What is meant by the four beasts?
(10:04:35) (HostLory-GG) A: “The four destructive influences that make the greater desire for the carnal forces, that rise as the beasts within self to destroy. Even as man, in his desire to make for companionship, brought those elements within self’s own experience.
(10:05:00) (HostLory-GG) These must be met. Even as the dragon represents the one that separated self so far as to fight with, to destroy with, those that would make of themselves a kingdom of their own.” 281-16
(10:05:39) (HostLory-GG) Q: What is the principal value or message of this book of the Bible?
(10:06:04) (HostLory-GG) A: “Former things have passed away, when there is behold within self that the whole will of the Creator, the Father, the place of abode the forces within and without, make for the new heaven, the new earth.” 281-16
(10:06:45) (HostLory-GG) “For if you will read the Book of Revelation with the idea of the body as the interpretation, you will understand yourself and learn to really analyze, psychoanalyze, mentally analyze others. But you will have to learn to apply it in self first. For the motivating force in each one of those patterns represented, is that which the individual entity entertains as the ideal.”
(10:07:24) (ron1) That would be interesting to see what stage others might be gong thru with this analysis
(10:07:36) (HostLory-GG) This is the motivating spirit, the motivating purpose. When it is out of attune, or not coordinating with the First Cause, there may not be the greater unfoldment.
(10:10:59) (HostLory-GG) For, it is in self that it becomes out of attune [out of synch with God]. It loses its power or ability. It loses creative energy or its hold upon the First Cause that is the Creator or God. 4083-1
(10:12:30) (HostLory-GG) “And in the Revelation study this: Know, as there is given each emblem, each condition, it is representing or presenting to self a study of your own body, with all of its emotions, all of its faculties. All of its physical centers represent experiences through which your own mental and spiritual and physical being pass. For it is indeed the revelation of self.” 1173-1
(10:13:43) (HostLory-GG) OK guys, this is the end of page four and there are three more pages to this chapter. Shall we go on or shall we talk about it and leave the rest for next week?????
(10:14:32) (merri) next week would be good.....it is alot to absorb
(10:14:40) (ron1) next week is ok
(10:14:45) (maybelle) yes it is a lot to take in
(10:15:00) (HostLory-GG) OK, thanks gang. OK so what are some of your questions?
(10:15:07) (ron1) quite ok
(10:16:07) (merri) interesting concept to think of Revelations in terms of ones body
(10:17:43) (ron1) This is what I think, or remember regarding the four horsemen and the four beasts
(10:17:49) (HostLory-GG) I also just looked and there are only three and a quarter pages left.
(10:18:20) (merri) zipping along
(10:18:35) (HostLory-GG) It has to do with the seven spiritual centers Merri.
(10:18:46) (ron1) the four horsemen...are the four intelligence's in control of the lower centers, our animalistic natures..the angels of the seven churches...and
(10:18:57) (merri) yes the chakras
(10:19:12) (maybelle) thanks GG-Lory for the wonderful study.
(10:19:13) (HostLory-GG) Correct
(10:19:15) (ron1) the four beasts are the negative expressions dominating at the time
(10:19:23) (HostLory-GG) yw maybelle, glad you came.
(10:20:16) (ron1) not yet
(10:20:46) (HostLory-GG) Actually the seven churches have more to do with the spiritual centers and is explained in a couple more paragraphs
(10:20:53) (ron1) What are you feeling maybelle?
(10:21:24) (ron1) ok Lory
(10:22:00) (ron1) This is very helpful and much easier to understand...I have more insights with this text
(10:22:56) (HostLory-GG) The following week, the chapter is called 'No Soul Left Behind' and talks a lot about karma as well as how no soul will be left behind.
(10:23:25) (ron1) I am biting my nails with enthusiasm...:))
(10:24:02) (HostLory-GG) Yes Ron. I found this book one of the very best that I have read about Edgar Cayce's explanations and information
(10:24:27) (ron1) This book is one of the most interesting and understandable I've looked into so far...though there are many as well...of course
(10:25:08) (HostLory-GG) I'm sure there are but who can afford them all? We need to share or tell others in chat about the ones we find that are really informative.
(10:25:37) (ron1) I have always been fascinated with the Revelations...as a matter of fact, I prepared a chat on the seven churches etc
(10:26:00) (merri) Revelations has a whole book devoted to the Cayce interpretations
(10:27:04) (merri) Cayce on Revelations....very good
(10:27:17) (ron1) I was to start it with one of the afternoon chats but never had a chance
(10:27:20) (HostLory-GG) Who wrote it Merri?
(10:27:22) (ron1) yes merri
(10:27:41) (merri) VanAuken
(10:28:14) (HostLory-GG) I would like to get it. Thanks Merri.
(10:28:38) (HostLory-GG) You might want some of the info in this next chapter then, Ron.
(10:28:50) (ron1) Yes. I will it interesting
(10:29:50) (HostLory-GG) OK guys. Bless you both and Sweet Dreams. LOVE
(10:30:05) (ron1) yes...time to take a little break I suppose
(10:30:09) (ron1) bye Lory
(10:30:14) (HostLory-GG) bye
(09:19:29) (HostLory-GG) Interesting stuff tonight.
(09:19:39) (maybelle) what is topic tonite??
(09:19:42) (HostLory-GG) No, not yet, maybelle
(09:19:54) (HostLory-GG) The Revelation
(09:23:49) (HostLory-GG) Chapter XIII “The Revelation” No Soul Left Behind
(09:24:37) (HostLory-GG) Cayce’s unorthodox philosophy, while basically Christian with a blend of Eastern mysticism, not only embraces reincarnation but also offers a much more positive interpretation of the final chapter of the Bible, the Revelation of Saint John the Divine, which fundamentalists cite to support their dire theology of tribulation and punishment of nonbelievers.
(09:25:23) (HostLory-GG) Everyone passes through personal tribulations, not as a penalty for wrongdoing, Cayce tells us, but in the normal course of soul growth on the pathway back to God.
(09:26:02) (HostLory-GG) Q: Many different translations of the Bible have appeared since the classic King James Version. Which version offers the nearest to the true meaning of both the New and the Old Testaments?
(09:26:47) (HostLory-GG) A: “The nearest true version for the entity is that you apply whatever version you read, in your life. It isn't that you learn from any one. You only may have the direction. The learning, the teaching is within self. For where has He promised to meet you? Within the temple!
(09:27:30) (HostLory-GG) Where is that temple? Within! Where is Heaven or earth? Within! Meet the Savior there. For He has promised. ‘I stand at the door ~~ open. If ye open, I will enter and sup with thee.’ Again, ‘If ye will open I will come in ~~ and I and the Father will abide with thee.’”
(09:28:23) (HostLory-GG) “There have been many versions . . . but remember that the whole gospel of Jesus Christ is: ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy mind, thy heart and thy body; and thy neighbor as thyself.’
(09:28:57) (HostLory-GG) Do this and you shall have eternal life. The rest of the book is trying to describe that. It is the same in any language, in any version.” 2072-14
(09:29:30) (HostLory-GG) Q: Historians tell us that the books of the New Testament describing the life and teachings of Jesus were written some fifty years after His crucifixion. As a journalist, I know how quickly even eye-witnesses forget details as time passes.
(09:30:01) (HostLory-GG) How can we have confidence that the accounts by Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are accurate, especially their direct quotations of Jesus?
(09:30:32) (HostLory-GG) A: “For from the very first of the Old Testament to the very last even of Revelation, He is not merely the subject of the book, He is the author in the greater part, having given to man the mind and the purpose for its having been put in print.
(09:31:10) (HostLory-GG) For it is in Him you live and move and have your being and as He gave, ‘Search ye the scriptures, for they be they that testify of me, and in them ye think ye has eternal life’”.
(09:31:36) (HostLory-GG) “If you know Him, you know that in Him you have eternal life, for He is the beginning and the end of all things.” 5322-1
(09:32:15) (HostLory-GG) Q: Some Christians who believe every word of the Bible to be literally true site the Book of Revelation as authority for their conviction that the end of the world is fast approaching and that only they, the true believers, will be gathered up into Heaven. Can you shed some light on this part of the scriptures?
(09:33:00) (HostLory-GG) A: “The Revelation is a description of, a possibility of, your own consciousness; and not as a historical fact, not as a fancy, but as what your own soul has sought throughout its experiences, through the phases of your abilities, the faculties of your mind and body, the emotions of all of your complex ~ as it may appear ~~ system.”
(09:33:34) (HostLory-GG) “And you will find peace, and an awakening ~~ beautiful!” 1473-1
(09:34:12) (HostLory-GG) Q: Can you be more specific about the meaning of such figures in Revelation as the various animals and the angels?
(09:34:58) (HostLory-GG) A: “Yes, we have the text written in the Revelation, as recorded in the King James Version of same. In making this worth while in the experience of individuals who are seeking for the light, for the revelation that may be theirs as promised in the promises of same, it would be well that there be considered first the conditions which surrounded the writer, the apostle [John] the beloved,
(09:35:42) (HostLory-GG) the last of those chosen; writing to a persecuted people, many despairing, many fallen away, yet, many seeking to hold to that which had been delivered to them through the efforts and activities of those upon whom the spirit had fallen by the very indwelling and the manifestations that had become the common knowledge of all.
(09:36:14) (HostLory-GG) You may ask questions or make comments at any time.
(09:36:27) (maybelle) well
(09:36:38) (HostLory-GG) Yes, maybelle?
(09:36:45) (maybelle) what are the manifestations that had become the common knowledge of all??
(09:37:27) (HostLory-GG) I believe the common knowledge of all that you refer to is that of the theologian philosophy, maybelle.
(09:37:32) (maybelle) or is this answered later??
(09:37:44) (maybelle) ok then
(09:38:08) (HostLory-GG) There are a lot of answers later and much of was surely an awakening for me.
(09:38:31) (HostLory-GG) I hope you like what you read and if you do not, let's discuss it.
(09:39:10) (HostLory-GG) “Remember, then, that Peter ~~ chosen as the rock, chosen to open the doors of what is known today as the church ~~ had said to this companion, ‘I will endeavor to keep thee in remembrance; even after my demise I will return to you.’” [II Peter 1:15]
(09:39:40) (HostLory-GG) “[John] the beloved, then, was banished to the isle [Patmos], and was in meditation, in prayer, in communion with those saints who were in that position to see, to comprehend the greater needs of those that would carry on.
(09:40:12) (HostLory-GG) And, as given in the beginning, ‘I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and beheld, and heard, and saw, and was told to write.’”
(09:40:42) (HostLory-GG) Q: If it was divinely inspired, why is Revelation so hard to understand?
(09:41:21) (HostLory-GG) A: “[For] the experience of every soul who seeks to know, to walk in, a closer communion with Him. For the visions, the experiences, the names, the churches, the places, the dragons, the cities, all are but emblems of those forces that may war within the individual
(09:41:51) (HostLory-GG) in its journey through the material, or from the entering into the material manifestation to the entering into the glory, or the awakening in the spirit, in the inter-between, in the borderland, in the shadow.”
(09:42:27) (HostLory-GG) “Hence we find, as the churches are named, they are the forces that are known as the senses, that must be spiritualized by the will of the individual made one in the very activities in a material world. And the elders and the Lamb are the emblems, are the shadows of those acceptances or rejections that are made in the experiences of the individual.” 281-16
(09:43:05) (HostLory-GG) Q: Why is it presented in the forms of symbols?
(09:43:38) (HostLory-GG) A: “These are for those that were, or will be, or may become, through the seeking, those initiated into an understanding of the glories that may be theirs if they will but put into work, into activity, what they know in the present.
(09:44:17) (HostLory-GG) In seeking, then, do individuals find from the beginning that there is presented, in every line, in every form, that good and bad [as termed] that arises from their activity, in what they do about that knowledge they have respecting law, love, mercy, understanding of the wherefore of the Lamb’s advent into the world that they, through His example set, may present themselves before that throne even as He, becoming ~~ as given ~~ heirs, joint heirs with Him, as the sons of God, to that everlasting glory that may be hand in Him.”
(09:45:16) (HostLory-GG) “Then, seek to know what self is lacking . . . in [your] self? Are you cold? Have you been negligent of the knowledge that is yours? Are you stiff-necked? Are you adulterous in thought, in act, in the very glories that are yours?” 281-16
(09:45:51) (HostLory-GG) Q: What about the so-called four horsemen of the Apocalypse?
(09:46:15) (HostLory-GG) A: “These we see, then, represent self, self's body-physical, self’s body-mental, self’s-spiritual; with the attributes of the body-physical, attributes of the body-mental, attributes of the body-spiritual, and they are one in you ~~ even as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is one in Him.” 281-16
(09:46:47) (merri) that's only 3
(09:46:57) (merri) what about the 4th
(09:47:28) (HostLory-GG) The 4th is body whole, merri.
(09:47:42) (ron1) our spiritual centers I suppose
(09:47:49) (ron1) the lower four
(09:48:07) (HostLory-GG) Q: What does the fall of Babylon mean?
(09:48:33) (HostLory-GG) A: “Babylon represented the individual; those periods through which every soul passes in its delving into the varied mysteries that are the experiences of the carnal-mental, the spiritual-mental forces of the body; and,
(09:49:08) (HostLory-GG) , as viewed from that presented, may come to the knowledge only through the cleansing that is shown must come to those that would be saved from the destructions that are given there.” 281-16
(09:49:45) (HostLory-GG) Q: Where are those who have passed on until Christ comes?
(09:50:01) (HostLory-GG) Does anyone care to answer this question?
(09:50:19) (ron1) Hovering around the earth
(09:50:33) (maybelle) where they want to be??
(09:50:36) (HostLory-GG) good answer
(09:50:42) (ron1) yes
(09:50:49) (HostLory-GG) both of them
(09:50:57) (merri) where they need to be
(09:51:00) (ron1) very good mabellene :)
(09:51:13) (ron1) and merri
(09:51:14) (merri) for further learning
(09:51:20) (maybelle) and ron
(09:51:20) (HostLory-GG) A: “As envisioned by [John] the beloved, there are those of the saints making intercession always before the throne for those that are passing in and out of the inter-between; even as He, the Christ, is ever the consciousness of those that are redeemed in Him.
(09:51:52) (HostLory-GG) The passing in, the passing out, is as but the summer, the fall, the spring; the birth into the interim, the birth into the material.” 281-16
(09:52:17) (HostLory-GG) Q: In what form will the anti-Christ appear?
(09:52:41) (HostLory-GG) A: “In the spirit of that opposed to the spirit of truth. The fruits of the spirit of the Christ are love, joy, obedience, long-suffering, brotherly love, kindness. Against such there is no law.
(09:53:05) (HostLory-GG) The spirit of hate, the anti-Christ, and take possession of groups, masses, and show themselves even in the lives of men.” 281-16
(09:53:25) (ron1) Thus, collective consciousness
(09:53:32) (ron1) a personification
(09:53:55) (HostLory-GG) Q: What are we to think about the belief of some Christians that we will be punished by “tribulation” that is bound to be horrific?
(09:54:13) (merri) so is the anti-Christ among us now?
(09:54:54) (maybelle) yes-i think so as selfishness...
(09:55:00) (ron1) In my view...
(09:55:27) (merri) what about the Muslims who adhere to death, destruction & hate?
(09:55:31) (ron1) yes...:(
(09:55:32) (HostLory-GG) I would say yes Merri. A: “That as built by self; as those emblematical influences are shown through the experiences of the beloved in that built, that created. For, each soul is a portion of creation ~~
(09:56:05) (ron1) But, one can look into the past and see this anti-Christ personification as well
(09:56:10) (maybelle) what about the Muslims who adhere to love?
(09:56:29) (HostLory-GG) ~~ and builds that in a portion of its experience that it, through its physical-mental or spiritual-mental, has built for itself. And each entity’s heaven or hell must, through some experience, be that which it has built for itself.
(09:56:36) (ron1) How can love and hate exist in one at the same time?
(09:56:49) (merri) not talking about those maybelle
(09:57:10) (merri) talking about the anti-Christ
(09:57:32) (merri) very true ron
(09:57:43) (merri) it's a repeat cycle it seems
(09:57:48) (HostLory-GG) The anti-Christ would dwell in all of anyone who does not obey God's law, wouldn't you think?
(09:58:01) (ron1) yes merri...some, or we, never learn
(09:58:14) (ron1) must do it the hard way, the long way to glory
(09:58:29) (HostLory-GG) And with tribulation, Ron.
(09:58:41) (ron1) yes Lory
(09:59:04) (HostLory-GG) “Is your hell one that is filled with fire or brimstone? But know, each and every soul is tried by fire; purified, purged; for He, though He were the Son, learned obedience through the things which He suffered. You also are known even as you do, and have done.” 281-16
(09:59:23) (merri) he does say one who incites the masses, Lory
(10:00:00) (HostLory-GG) Q: Conservative Christians talk about “the rapture” as though they, the faithful believers, will soon be taken bodily up into Heaven while those who do not subscribe to their belief are left behind to face the tribulation. The rapture appears to be a dubious doctrine originated by an English theologian who gained popularity among American evangelical preachers,
(10:00:02) (ron1) 'Not by faith alone, but by works...'
(10:00:38) (HostLory-GG) even though nowhere in the Bible is there any mention of the word Rapture. But tribulation is mentioned in the Scriptures and some fear for the unfaithful. What does tribulation mean?
(10:00:39) (ron1) For me that answers the above questions
(10:01:05) (ron1) right Lory
(10:01:08) (ron1) no rapture
(10:01:20) (ron1) a Medieval concept, or creation
(10:01:40) (HostLory-GG) A: “The great tribulation and periods of tribulation, as given, are the experiences of every soul, every entity. They arise from influences created by man through activity in the sphere of any sojourn. Man may become, with the people of the universe, ruler of any of the various spheres through which the soul passes in its experiences.
(10:02:24) (HostLory-GG) Hence, as the cycles pass, as the cycles are passing, when there is come a time, a period of readjusting in the spheres [as well as in the little earth, the little soul] ~~ seek, then, as known, to present self spotless before that throne; even as all are commanded to be circumspect, in thought, in act, to that which is held by self as that necessary for the closer walk with Him.
(10:02:53) (HostLory-GG) In that manner only may each atom [as man is an atom, or corpuscle, in the body of the Father] become a helpmeet with Him in bringing that to pass that all may be one with Him.” 281-16
(10:03:56) (HostLory-GG) Q: So, tribulation has to do with the hard times we all experience at different stages of our lives. What is meant by the four beasts?
(10:04:35) (HostLory-GG) A: “The four destructive influences that make the greater desire for the carnal forces, that rise as the beasts within self to destroy. Even as man, in his desire to make for companionship, brought those elements within self’s own experience.
(10:05:00) (HostLory-GG) These must be met. Even as the dragon represents the one that separated self so far as to fight with, to destroy with, those that would make of themselves a kingdom of their own.” 281-16
(10:05:39) (HostLory-GG) Q: What is the principal value or message of this book of the Bible?
(10:06:04) (HostLory-GG) A: “Former things have passed away, when there is behold within self that the whole will of the Creator, the Father, the place of abode the forces within and without, make for the new heaven, the new earth.” 281-16
(10:06:45) (HostLory-GG) “For if you will read the Book of Revelation with the idea of the body as the interpretation, you will understand yourself and learn to really analyze, psychoanalyze, mentally analyze others. But you will have to learn to apply it in self first. For the motivating force in each one of those patterns represented, is that which the individual entity entertains as the ideal.”
(10:07:24) (ron1) That would be interesting to see what stage others might be gong thru with this analysis
(10:07:36) (HostLory-GG) This is the motivating spirit, the motivating purpose. When it is out of attune, or not coordinating with the First Cause, there may not be the greater unfoldment.
(10:10:59) (HostLory-GG) For, it is in self that it becomes out of attune [out of synch with God]. It loses its power or ability. It loses creative energy or its hold upon the First Cause that is the Creator or God. 4083-1
(10:12:30) (HostLory-GG) “And in the Revelation study this: Know, as there is given each emblem, each condition, it is representing or presenting to self a study of your own body, with all of its emotions, all of its faculties. All of its physical centers represent experiences through which your own mental and spiritual and physical being pass. For it is indeed the revelation of self.” 1173-1
(10:13:43) (HostLory-GG) OK guys, this is the end of page four and there are three more pages to this chapter. Shall we go on or shall we talk about it and leave the rest for next week?????
(10:14:32) (merri) next week would be good.....it is alot to absorb
(10:14:40) (ron1) next week is ok
(10:14:45) (maybelle) yes it is a lot to take in
(10:15:00) (HostLory-GG) OK, thanks gang. OK so what are some of your questions?
(10:15:07) (ron1) quite ok
(10:16:07) (merri) interesting concept to think of Revelations in terms of ones body
(10:17:43) (ron1) This is what I think, or remember regarding the four horsemen and the four beasts
(10:17:49) (HostLory-GG) I also just looked and there are only three and a quarter pages left.
(10:18:20) (merri) zipping along
(10:18:35) (HostLory-GG) It has to do with the seven spiritual centers Merri.
(10:18:46) (ron1) the four horsemen...are the four intelligence's in control of the lower centers, our animalistic natures..the angels of the seven churches...and
(10:18:57) (merri) yes the chakras
(10:19:12) (maybelle) thanks GG-Lory for the wonderful study.
(10:19:13) (HostLory-GG) Correct
(10:19:15) (ron1) the four beasts are the negative expressions dominating at the time
(10:19:23) (HostLory-GG) yw maybelle, glad you came.
(10:20:16) (ron1) not yet
(10:20:46) (HostLory-GG) Actually the seven churches have more to do with the spiritual centers and is explained in a couple more paragraphs
(10:20:53) (ron1) What are you feeling maybelle?
(10:21:24) (ron1) ok Lory
(10:22:00) (ron1) This is very helpful and much easier to understand...I have more insights with this text
(10:22:56) (HostLory-GG) The following week, the chapter is called 'No Soul Left Behind' and talks a lot about karma as well as how no soul will be left behind.
(10:23:25) (ron1) I am biting my nails with enthusiasm...:))
(10:24:02) (HostLory-GG) Yes Ron. I found this book one of the very best that I have read about Edgar Cayce's explanations and information
(10:24:27) (ron1) This book is one of the most interesting and understandable I've looked into so far...though there are many as well...of course
(10:25:08) (HostLory-GG) I'm sure there are but who can afford them all? We need to share or tell others in chat about the ones we find that are really informative.
(10:25:37) (ron1) I have always been fascinated with the Revelations...as a matter of fact, I prepared a chat on the seven churches etc
(10:26:00) (merri) Revelations has a whole book devoted to the Cayce interpretations
(10:27:04) (merri) Cayce on Revelations....very good
(10:27:17) (ron1) I was to start it with one of the afternoon chats but never had a chance
(10:27:20) (HostLory-GG) Who wrote it Merri?
(10:27:22) (ron1) yes merri
(10:27:41) (merri) VanAuken
(10:28:14) (HostLory-GG) I would like to get it. Thanks Merri.
(10:28:38) (HostLory-GG) You might want some of the info in this next chapter then, Ron.
(10:28:50) (ron1) Yes. I will it interesting
(10:29:50) (HostLory-GG) OK guys. Bless you both and Sweet Dreams. LOVE
(10:30:05) (ron1) yes...time to take a little break I suppose
(10:30:09) (ron1) bye Lory
(10:30:14) (HostLory-GG) bye
